All Blacks 2022
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@kiwi_expat The interview I saw of Foster a couple of weeks ago on the Breakdown he cagily said he was "watching with interest".
I don't think they will start him there in the first game against Ireland (right now I'm expecting Jack Goodhue), but I will frankly be more surprised than not if we don't see him at 2nd five for the ABs some time this year.
@Chris-B I feel that it will be Goodhue at 12, with one of RTS/Tupaea/TUJ for late impact.
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@MN5 said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@kiwi_expat said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@Frank I'd quite like that as well.
Jordie providing more size in the midfield (than last year). Clarke a power wing.
Rieko, Jordan and Beaudy with a ton of pace.
If it all came together it would cover most bases - though that "ĂŻf" contains a fair bit of wishful thinking!
Overly simplistic take, size matters depending on the contrast between their height & weight dimensions.
Jordie doesn't provide the right type of size at 12, he's 196cm tall yet only weighs 100kg - ideal for a 15, tall/skinny/longer-levers, good under high ball, long raking punt etc..) in comparison, Nonu was 182cm & 108kg, those are completely different dimensions.
Closest we did have to those Nonu type dimensions was Laumape at 177cm & 103kg. I'd be looking at Thomas Umaga-Jenson because he consistently makes significant metres over the advantage line, he's 187cm & 108kg.
Jordie Barrett weighs in significantly more than 100kgs!!! He was 102kgs several seasons back and I'm sure he's got heavier.
He's pretty close to SBW size and brings a few extra skills compared to SBW.
Last I saw he was listed at 96kg. Someone needs to ask the man himself.
If you’re about 25 feet tall like he is you’re going to be reasonably heavy but he’s certainly not the massive powerhouse some say he is.
What’s George Moala up to ?
Jordie was 96kgs when he was a fresh faced kid. He's waay bigger now and has bulked up so much he's got a double chin.
You only have to look at what guys around him weigh in at to see that 96kgs and 100kgs are not credible weights for him..
Will Jordan is running around at 100kgs and Jordie is taller and proportionately more heavy-set.
Rieko Ioane is listed widely as 105kgs and significantly shorter than Jordie.
Brother Scott is only slightly taller and locking the AB scrum at 118kgs Jordie's not giving him nearly 20kgs.
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Could many birds be killed with one stone by shifting Barrett to No 12? The argument stacks up. The All Blacks want a physical specimen there. That’s a tick as Barrett is 1.96m and 105kg. He can run direct, angled lines because he does this a lot for the Hurricanes when he often pops up as first receiver.
https://www.rugbypass.com/plus/is-jordie-barrett-the-answer-to-the-all-blacks-problem-position/
These guys are much closer to the money, but I wouldn't be surprised if Jordie was several kgs heavier.
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@MN5 said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@kiwi_expat said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@Frank I'd quite like that as well.
Jordie providing more size in the midfield (than last year). Clarke a power wing.
Rieko, Jordan and Beaudy with a ton of pace.
If it all came together it would cover most bases - though that "ĂŻf" contains a fair bit of wishful thinking!
Overly simplistic take, size matters depending on the contrast between their height & weight dimensions.
Jordie doesn't provide the right type of size at 12, he's 196cm tall yet only weighs 100kg - ideal for a 15, tall/skinny/longer-levers, good under high ball, long raking punt etc..) in comparison, Nonu was 182cm & 108kg, those are completely different dimensions.
Closest we did have to those Nonu type dimensions was Laumape at 177cm & 103kg. I'd be looking at Thomas Umaga-Jenson because he consistently makes significant metres over the advantage line, he's 187cm & 108kg.
Jordie Barrett weighs in significantly more than 100kgs!!! He was 102kgs several seasons back and I'm sure he's got heavier.
He's pretty close to SBW size and brings a few extra skills compared to SBW.
Last I saw he was listed at 96kg. Someone needs to ask the man himself.
If you’re about 25 feet tall like he is you’re going to be reasonably heavy but he’s certainly not the massive powerhouse some say he is.
What’s George Moala up to ?
Jordie was 96kgs when he was a fresh faced kid. He's waay bigger now and has bulked up so much he's got a double chin.
You only have to look at what guys around him weigh in at to see that 96kgs and 100kgs are not credible weights for him..
Will Jordan is running around at 100kgs and Jordie is taller and proportionately more heavy-set.
Rieko Ioane is listed widely as 105kgs and significantly shorter than Jordie.
Brother Scott is only slightly taller and locking the AB scrum at 118kgs Jordie's not giving him nearly 20kgs.
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@kiwi_expat said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@Frank I'd quite like that as well.
Jordie providing more size in the midfield (than last year). Clarke a power wing.
Rieko, Jordan and Beaudy with a ton of pace.
If it all came together it would cover most bases - though that "ĂŻf" contains a fair bit of wishful thinking!
Overly simplistic take, size matters depending on the contrast between their height & weight dimensions.
Jordie doesn't provide the right type of size at 12, he's 196cm tall yet only weighs 100kg - ideal for a 15, tall/skinny/longer-levers, good under high ball, long raking punt etc..) in comparison, Nonu was 182cm & 108kg, those are completely different dimensions.
Closest we did have to those Nonu type dimensions was Laumape at 177cm & 103kg. I'd be looking at Thomas Umaga-Jenson because he consistently makes significant metres over the advantage line, he's 187cm & 108kg.
Jordie Barrett weighs in significantly more than 100kgs!!! He was 102kgs several seasons back and I'm sure he's got heavier.
He's pretty close to SBW size and brings a few extra skills compared to SBW.
Last I saw he was listed at 96kg. Someone needs to ask the man himself.
If you’re about 25 feet tall like he is you’re going to be reasonably heavy but he’s certainly not the massive powerhouse some say he is.
What’s George Moala up to ?
Jordie was 96kgs when he was a fresh faced kid. He's waay bigger now and has bulked up so much he's got a double chin.
You only have to look at what guys around him weigh in at to see that 96kgs and 100kgs are not credible weights for him..
Will Jordan is running around at 100kgs and Jordie is taller and proportionately more heavy-set.
Rieko Ioane is listed widely as 105kgs and significantly shorter than Jordie.
Brother Scott is only slightly taller and locking the AB scrum at 118kgs Jordie's not giving him nearly 20kgs.
Oh so he’s been training with Foster then ? Just what we don’t need.
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
These guys are much closer to the money, but I wouldn't be surprised if Jordie was several kgs heavier.
If ALB is 104 kg then JB has to be heavier.
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@Bovidae ALB is definitely not 104kg, seen him standing next to Havili (who's 95kg) last year for All Blacks & they are almost identical in size.
@kiwi_expat said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bovidae ALB is definitely not 104kg, seen him standing next to Havili (who's 95kg), Chiefs website says 96kg.
Sorry, he is 102.8 kg. (3:18 in this video)
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@kiwi_expat said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bovidae ALB is definitely not 104kg, seen him standing next to Havili (who's 95kg), Chiefs website says 96kg.
Sorry, he is 102.8 kg. (3:18 in this video)
@Bovidae Wish everyone had to do that weigh in on 1 April like we had to as kids!
Another gold standard weight is SBW at 109.1kg - at his weigh in vs Barry Hall.
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@kiwi_expat said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bovidae ALB is definitely not 104kg, seen him standing next to Havili (who's 95kg), Chiefs website says 96kg.
Sorry, he is 102.8 kg. (3:18 in this video)
@Bovidae must be updated weights, Havili might be ~98kg since shifting into the midfield last season too.
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I half jokingly predicted the future AB midfield would be Rieko and Jordie a year is so back. Rieko is now a world class centre and Jordie is finally getting game time at 12.
That said, it's too early to put Jordie at 12 for the ABs, he doesn't have a big enough body of work there at Super level yet. It took him a long time to find his feet at test level after going between 14 and 15 a lot, so I'm not sure he's the kind of player that can easily adapt to playing multiple positions at the top level.
He's world class at 15 and I'm a bit loathe to put him back to square one and have him playing 12 in the hope he'll solve a problem there. I've got pretty high hopes for RTS, and in the meantime Goodhue and Rieko look like they would compliment each other well. And a back three of Jordan-Jordie-Clarke is fucking delicious.
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I half jokingly predicted the future AB midfield would be Rieko and Jordie a year is so back. Rieko is now a world class centre and Jordie is finally getting game time at 12.
That said, it's too early to put Jordie at 12 for the ABs, he doesn't have a big enough body of work there at Super level yet. It took him a long time to find his feet at test level after going between 14 and 15 a lot, so I'm not sure he's the kind of player that can easily adapt to playing multiple positions at the top level.
He's world class at 15 and I'm a bit loathe to put him back to square one and have him playing 12 in the hope he'll solve a problem there. I've got pretty high hopes for RTS, and in the meantime Goodhue and Rieko look like they would compliment each other well. And a back three of Jordan-Jordie-Clarke is fucking delicious.
@No-Quarter hang on a minute - after him probably playing most of the super season at 12, you don't want him switching positions so you're shuffling him back to 15?
I'd say his game and mentality across the board has improved immensely since 2-3 years ago, he seems to bring a high (and consistent) level to whatever position these days. It's definitely not too early.
If he's the best 12 in the comp, as well as being a seasoned international I don't see the issue.
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I half jokingly predicted the future AB midfield would be Rieko and Jordie a year is so back. Rieko is now a world class centre and Jordie is finally getting game time at 12.
That said, it's too early to put Jordie at 12 for the ABs, he doesn't have a big enough body of work there at Super level yet. It took him a long time to find his feet at test level after going between 14 and 15 a lot, so I'm not sure he's the kind of player that can easily adapt to playing multiple positions at the top level.
He's world class at 15 and I'm a bit loathe to put him back to square one and have him playing 12 in the hope he'll solve a problem there. I've got pretty high hopes for RTS, and in the meantime Goodhue and Rieko look like they would compliment each other well. And a back three of Jordan-Jordie-Clarke is fucking delicious.
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2022:
I half jokingly predicted the future AB midfield would be Rieko and Jordie a year is so back. Rieko is now a world class centre and Jordie is finally getting game time at 12.
That said, it's too early to put Jordie at 12 for the ABs, he doesn't have a big enough body of work there at Super level yet. It took him a long time to find his feet at test level after going between 14 and 15 a lot, so I'm not sure he's the kind of player that can easily adapt to playing multiple positions at the top level.
He's world class at 15 and I'm a bit loathe to put him back to square on and have him playing 12 in the hope he'll solve a problem there. I've got pretty high hopes for RTS, and in the meantime Goodhue and Rieko look like they would compliment each other well. And a back three of Jordan-Jordie-Clarke is fucking delicious.
I remember thinking I wouldn't mind seeing them as our midfield combo some day & this was back in 2016
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Biggest talking point for me (outside Schmidt) was Jordie to 12 primarily to again, fit all our best players into the team. Now I'm on the fence on this - history tells me this hasn't worked well at RWC's, see 1999 with Cullen and 2007 with Mils. BUT..Jordie does have the skills to bend the line, massive boot and it allows the form fullback of the competition Will Jordan to play his best position.
If I were a selector or Fozzie and had to make a decision I'd punt on Jordie at 12 for the Ireland series with RTS in the squad. It's tough on Havili and Tupaea but Jordie/RTS upside trumps their consistency.
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@No-Quarter hang on a minute - after him probably playing most of the super season at 12, you don't want him switching positions so you're shuffling him back to 15?
I'd say his game and mentality across the board has improved immensely since 2-3 years ago, he seems to bring a high (and consistent) level to whatever position these days. It's definitely not too early.
If he's the best 12 in the comp, as well as being a seasoned international I don't see the issue.
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@No-Quarter hang on a minute - after him probably playing most of the super season at 12, you don't want him switching positions so you're shuffling him back to 15?
I'd say his game and mentality across the board has improved immensely since 2-3 years ago, he seems to bring a high (and consistent) level to whatever position these days. It's definitely not too early.
If he's the best 12 in the comp, as well as being a seasoned international I don't see the issue.
I'd be keeping him in the only position he's excelled at test level.
Maybe it's a mental thing and he's matured to the point he could slot into a new position easily, but maybe not. It's a bit of a gamble and we risk putting him back by shunting him around to fill gaps where we think we have a problem instead of allowing him to build a career in one position.
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@No-Quarter hang on a minute - after him probably playing most of the super season at 12, you don't want him switching positions so you're shuffling him back to 15?
I'd say his game and mentality across the board has improved immensely since 2-3 years ago, he seems to bring a high (and consistent) level to whatever position these days. It's definitely not too early.
If he's the best 12 in the comp, as well as being a seasoned international I don't see the issue.
I'd be keeping him in the only position he's excelled at test level.
Maybe it's a mental thing and he's matured to the point he could slot into a new position easily, but maybe not. It's a bit of a gamble and we risk putting him back by shunting him around to fill gaps where we think we have a problem instead of allowing him to build a career in one position.
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@No-Quarter hang on a minute - after him probably playing most of the super season at 12, you don't want him switching positions so you're shuffling him back to 15?
I'd say his game and mentality across the board has improved immensely since 2-3 years ago, he seems to bring a high (and consistent) level to whatever position these days. It's definitely not too early.
If he's the best 12 in the comp, as well as being a seasoned international I don't see the issue.
I'd be keeping him in the only position he's excelled at test level.
Maybe it's a mental thing and he's matured to the point he could slot into a new position easily, but maybe not. It's a bit of a gamble and we risk putting him back by shunting him around to fill gaps where we think we have a problem instead of allowing him to build a career in one position.
I’ve always thought Jordie was a natural midfielder since he played aged grade footy. The extra size would be a great asset but it’s the things that he’s good at which I think are better utilised closer in. Whether we had Will Jordan playing well or not, Jordie is still the best option for 12 IMO.
By the way, I can see why they wanted him on the wing but he did look out of place there.
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Yeah look, I'm on board with Jordie at 12, @Rancid-Schnitzel and I have been beating that drum for years, I just wish we'd let players focus on a primary position more instead of trying them in too many positions. We've fucked a few very talented players over the years with that approach, and given his success at 15 I'd like to see him focus on that. I don't have words for how stupid chucking him on the wing and then persisting with it was after he'd shown his class at 15.
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JB wants to play 2nd 5, so a little different to Cullen and Mils. I would definitely like to see him there in at least one of the tests against Ireland. We won't know if he is the answer otherwise.
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
JB wants to play 2nd 5, so a little different to Cullen and Mils. I would definitely like to see him there in at least one of the tests against Ireland. We won't know if he is the answer otherwise.
I see it more inline with Tana and Rieko moving. Given that he is also playing there (somewhat) at Super level, and has history there during his development (U20s, NPC), I don't see it as a moving players to get them to fit. The question is whether he will make a good international 12.
I think he could solve our issue with needing a second playmaker and big body in the midfield. I'm not sure I would do it though.
