All Blacks 2022
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@Stargazer 4 halfbacks in a squad of 36?
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@KiwiMurph Or it will be 36 + 1 (where Fakatava is the "1"). He may also be a non-playing apprentice for the July Series.
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@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:
@cgrant Going by Foster's comments a few weeks back, Blackadder is probably a certainty, too.
Yes my guess would be
Papali'i, Cane, Savea and Ioane,Blackadder, and Sotutu or Vai'i so they can squeeze in Whitelock,Retallick,Barrett and Lord.
Or they take 6 LF with Sotutu and 5 Locks.Probably something like that. The only wildcard is if they want cover for the Ioane role.
Cane, Papaliāi & Blackadder play a similar role. As do Ardie and Sotutu. Do they look at Sowakula, Tuāu or (yuck) Frizell to backup Ioane? Probably not as I think they might use Dalton at 6 a bit this year
My guess is for the four loosies in the top 23: Cane/Ardie/Ioane/Papaliāi (one of the Blues players on the bench)
Squad cover from Blackadder, Sotutu & Vaaāi@Duluth said in All Blacks 2022:
Do they look at Sowakula, Tuāu or (yuck) Frizell to backup Ioane?
I would hope for the former if only to build for the future. Frizell's advantage of experience has gotta be out-weighed by the potential of PGS & Tu'u
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@Duluth said in All Blacks 2022:
Do they look at Sowakula, Tuāu or (yuck) Frizell to backup Ioane?
I would hope for the former if only to build for the future. Frizell's advantage of experience has gotta be out-weighed by the potential of PGS & Tu'u
@Victor-Meldrew hell, id say MMT has had more impact in the last few games than Frizell this season
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@Duluth said in All Blacks 2022:
Do they look at Sowakula, Tuāu or (yuck) Frizell to backup Ioane?
I would hope for the former if only to build for the future. Frizell's advantage of experience has gotta be out-weighed by the potential of PGS & Tu'u
@Victor-Meldrew Mikaele-Tu'u, if it's to build for the future. MMT is 24; PGS is 27 (and his form has dropped).
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I half jokingly predicted the future AB midfield would be Rieko and Jordie a year is so back. Rieko is now a world class centre and Jordie is finally getting game time at 12.
That said, it's too early to put Jordie at 12 for the ABs, he doesn't have a big enough body of work there at Super level yet. It took him a long time to find his feet at test level after going between 14 and 15 a lot, so I'm not sure he's the kind of player that can easily adapt to playing multiple positions at the top level.
He's world class at 15 and I'm a bit loathe to put him back to square one and have him playing 12 in the hope he'll solve a problem there. I've got pretty high hopes for RTS, and in the meantime Goodhue and Rieko look like they would compliment each other well. And a back three of Jordan-Jordie-Clarke is fucking delicious.
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2022:
Rieko is now a world class centre and Jordie is finally getting game time at 12.
Well, I hope you are right and he's a shoe-in for the 13 jersey now ALB is out.
But I think we should reserve judgement until he has started a few more tests against top-level teams.
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@Victor-Meldrew Mikaele-Tu'u, if it's to build for the future. MMT is 24; PGS is 27 (and his form has dropped).
@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew Mikaele-Tu'u, if it's to build for the future. MMT is 24; PGS is 27 (and his form has dropped).
PGS is 27, he probably looked 27 when he was 17 then.
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@Victor-Meldrew Mikaele-Tu'u, if it's to build for the future. MMT is 24; PGS is 27 (and his form has dropped).
@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew Mikaele-Tu'u, if it's to build for the future. MMT is 24; PGS is 27 (and his form has dropped).
I think/hope we'll see MMT in the squad if not in the 23 so the coaches can have a good look at him. He might be one of those players who transitions to Test level easier than most.
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@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew Mikaele-Tu'u, if it's to build for the future. MMT is 24; PGS is 27 (and his form has dropped).
I think/hope we'll see MMT in the squad if not in the 23 so the coaches can have a good look at him. He might be one of those players who transitions to Test level easier than most.
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew Mikaele-Tu'u, if it's to build for the future. MMT is 24; PGS is 27 (and his form has dropped).
I think/hope we'll see MMT in the squad if not in the 23 so the coaches can have a good look at him. He might be one of those players who transitions to Test level easier than most.
Very raw player, probably similar to Akira 3 or so years ago, so yeah take a punt while we have 4-5 other solid loosies. Those players are few and far between in NZ.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew Mikaele-Tu'u, if it's to build for the future. MMT is 24; PGS is 27 (and his form has dropped).
I think/hope we'll see MMT in the squad if not in the 23 so the coaches can have a good look at him. He might be one of those players who transitions to Test level easier than most.
Very raw player, probably similar to Akira 3 or so years ago, so yeah take a punt while we have 4-5 other solid loosies. Those players are few and far between in NZ.
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew Mikaele-Tu'u, if it's to build for the future. MMT is 24; PGS is 27 (and his form has dropped).
I think/hope we'll see MMT in the squad if not in the 23 so the coaches can have a good look at him. He might be one of those players who transitions to Test level easier than most.
Very raw player, probably similar to Akira 3 or so years ago, so yeah take a punt while we have 4-5 other solid loosies. Those players are few and far between in NZ.
Yeah. And while not getting into a Foster as coach argument, he does seem to do well with talented but raw players at Test level - e.g. Akira
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Those raw players for the future, isn't that where the All Blacks XV team comes in? The non-test squad that is likely to play a few matches this year, according to some?
@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:
Those raw players for the future, isn't that where the All Blacks XV team comes in? The non-test squad that is likely to play a few matches this year, according to some?
No. They come from super rugby typically, like every other year. Mounga, Christie, Jordan, Jordie, Reece, Blackadder, Savea, Lord, Taukieaho, Coles, Tu'ungafasi, the list goes on....
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew Mikaele-Tu'u, if it's to build for the future. MMT is 24; PGS is 27 (and his form has dropped).
I think/hope we'll see MMT in the squad if not in the 23 so the coaches can have a good look at him. He might be one of those players who transitions to Test level easier than most.
Very raw player, probably similar to Akira 3 or so years ago, so yeah take a punt while we have 4-5 other solid loosies. Those players are few and far between in NZ.
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew Mikaele-Tu'u, if it's to build for the future. MMT is 24; PGS is 27 (and his form has dropped).
I think/hope we'll see MMT in the squad if not in the 23 so the coaches can have a good look at him. He might be one of those players who transitions to Test level easier than most.
Very raw player, probably similar to Akira 3 or so years ago, so yeah take a punt while we have 4-5 other solid loosies. Those players are few and far between in NZ.
He doesn't seem to be missing as many tackles as last year (roughly averaging 5, missing 1 looking at ESPN stats), which is a positive, although I'm not always convinced by his workrate on defence. Nevertheless, I'd have him close and defnitely starting for the AB 15.
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew Mikaele-Tu'u, if it's to build for the future. MMT is 24; PGS is 27 (and his form has dropped).
I think/hope we'll see MMT in the squad if not in the 23 so the coaches can have a good look at him. He might be one of those players who transitions to Test level easier than most.
Very raw player, probably similar to Akira 3 or so years ago, so yeah take a punt while we have 4-5 other solid loosies. Those players are few and far between in NZ.
He doesn't seem to be missing as many tackles as last year (roughly averaging 5, missing 1 looking at ESPN stats), which is a positive, although I'm not always convinced by his workrate on defence. Nevertheless, I'd have him close and defnitely starting for the AB 15.
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew Mikaele-Tu'u, if it's to build for the future. MMT is 24; PGS is 27 (and his form has dropped).
I think/hope we'll see MMT in the squad if not in the 23 so the coaches can have a good look at him. He might be one of those players who transitions to Test level easier than most.
Very raw player, probably similar to Akira 3 or so years ago, so yeah take a punt while we have 4-5 other solid loosies. Those players are few and far between in NZ.
He doesn't seem to be missing as many tackles as last year (roughly averaging 5, missing 1 looking at ESPN stats), which is a positive, although I'm not always convinced by his workrate on defence. Nevertheless, I'd have him close and defnitely starting for the AB 15.
It'd probably be at the expense of someone like Robinson though - although I see him more as in competition with Vaai for that lock/6 spot.
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@Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2022:
@Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2022:
He has the distribution skills, the boot, and he is big and strong. The only thing I notice is he is less visible in the game in terms of doing significant things, due to lack of space? I have no doubt he has great potential to be a sort of second 10 type of 12 who is also able to take on the line
My trouble with JB at 12 right at this moment is that what we desperately need there is someone with linking vision. While his style can be very effective I don't see him setting RI/Jordan/Clarke etc into space, more a line runner/bender and re-set behind the gain line type.
In short he plays 12 like a fullback.I saw him distribute for the Blacks in the lions series. Small sample size though. I think he plays that way for the Canes because that's the way they play. He's played in midfield at age group level so he has some background. I'd like to see how he goes in a test
I'm not saying he's a bad midfielder. I actually think he's quite good. But if you look at his style and how it may assist in getting our strikepower free I just don't see him as a link man like Goodhue has shown to be and QT is fast developing as. I just don't see the need to move the 15 that everyone was raving about as our best player just last year to a different spot.
If RI is at 13 we have 4 very good options in Goodhue, RTS, QT and Havili (in no order). At fullback we have 1 other very good option (2 if you move BB back there)He needs to play. But it is a risk to move a guy who's recently nailed down 15 to another position. Maybe a one off trial, it's getting close to the next RWC so time is running out. Having said that, in my mind no one has nailed down spots starting in midfield except perhaps ALB
@canefan said in All Blacks 2022:
@Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2022:
@Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2022:
He has the distribution skills, the boot, and he is big and strong. The only thing I notice is he is less visible in the game in terms of doing significant things, due to lack of space? I have no doubt he has great potential to be a sort of second 10 type of 12 who is also able to take on the line
My trouble with JB at 12 right at this moment is that what we desperately need there is someone with linking vision. While his style can be very effective I don't see him setting RI/Jordan/Clarke etc into space, more a line runner/bender and re-set behind the gain line type.
In short he plays 12 like a fullback.I saw him distribute for the Blacks in the lions series. Small sample size though. I think he plays that way for the Canes because that's the way they play. He's played in midfield at age group level so he has some background. I'd like to see how he goes in a test
I'm not saying he's a bad midfielder. I actually think he's quite good. But if you look at his style and how it may assist in getting our strikepower free I just don't see him as a link man like Goodhue has shown to be and QT is fast developing as. I just don't see the need to move the 15 that everyone was raving about as our best player just last year to a different spot.
If RI is at 13 we have 4 very good options in Goodhue, RTS, QT and Havili (in no order). At fullback we have 1 other very good option (2 if you move BB back there)He needs to play. But it is a risk to move a guy who's recently nailed down 15 to another position. Maybe a one off trial, it's getting close to the next RWC so time is running out. Having said that, in my mind no one has nailed down spots starting in midfield except perhaps ALB
I see it as Jordie needs to play where he's best suited and wants to play, because Jordan's form means he should be starting at fullback.
There's plenty of Tests between now and the RWC.
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Fakatava eligible
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@Stargazer another option is have Perenara in the Maori squad and then call him up if needed
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@Stargazer another option is have Perenara in the Maori squad and then call him up if needed
TJP can be captain of NZ Maori. A fitting 'demotion' for a servant of the black jersey and one I think he would relish.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@Stargazer another option is have Perenara in the Maori squad and then call him up if needed
TJP can be captain of NZ Maori. A fitting 'demotion' for a servant of the black jersey and one I think he would relish.
@Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@Stargazer another option is have Perenara in the Maori squad and then call him up if needed
TJP can be captain of NZ Maori. A fitting 'demotion' for a servant of the black jersey and one I think he would relish.
He loves those hakas.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@Stargazer another option is have Perenara in the Maori squad and then call him up if needed
TJP can be captain of NZ Maori. A fitting 'demotion' for a servant of the black jersey and one I think he would relish.
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2022:
@Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2022:
@Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2022:
He has the distribution skills, the boot, and he is big and strong. The only thing I notice is he is less visible in the game in terms of doing significant things, due to lack of space? I have no doubt he has great potential to be a sort of second 10 type of 12 who is also able to take on the line
My trouble with JB at 12 right at this moment is that what we desperately need there is someone with linking vision. While his style can be very effective I don't see him setting RI/Jordan/Clarke etc into space, more a line runner/bender and re-set behind the gain line type.
In short he plays 12 like a fullback.I saw him distribute for the Blacks in the lions series. Small sample size though. I think he plays that way for the Canes because that's the way they play. He's played in midfield at age group level so he has some background. I'd like to see how he goes in a test
I'm not saying he's a bad midfielder. I actually think he's quite good. But if you look at his style and how it may assist in getting our strikepower free I just don't see him as a link man like Goodhue has shown to be and QT is fast developing as. I just don't see the need to move the 15 that everyone was raving about as our best player just last year to a different spot.
If RI is at 13 we have 4 very good options in Goodhue, RTS, QT and Havili (in no order). At fullback we have 1 other very good option (2 if you move BB back there)He needs to play. But it is a risk to move a guy who's recently nailed down 15 to another position. Maybe a one off trial, it's getting close to the next RWC so time is running out. Having said that, in my mind no one has nailed down spots starting in midfield except perhaps ALB
I see it as Jordie needs to play where he's best suited and wants to play, because Jordan's form means he should be starting at fullback.
There's plenty of Tests between now and the RWC.
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2022:
@Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2022:
@Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2022:
He has the distribution skills, the boot, and he is big and strong. The only thing I notice is he is less visible in the game in terms of doing significant things, due to lack of space? I have no doubt he has great potential to be a sort of second 10 type of 12 who is also able to take on the line
My trouble with JB at 12 right at this moment is that what we desperately need there is someone with linking vision. While his style can be very effective I don't see him setting RI/Jordan/Clarke etc into space, more a line runner/bender and re-set behind the gain line type.
In short he plays 12 like a fullback.I saw him distribute for the Blacks in the lions series. Small sample size though. I think he plays that way for the Canes because that's the way they play. He's played in midfield at age group level so he has some background. I'd like to see how he goes in a test
I'm not saying he's a bad midfielder. I actually think he's quite good. But if you look at his style and how it may assist in getting our strikepower free I just don't see him as a link man like Goodhue has shown to be and QT is fast developing as. I just don't see the need to move the 15 that everyone was raving about as our best player just last year to a different spot.
If RI is at 13 we have 4 very good options in Goodhue, RTS, QT and Havili (in no order). At fullback we have 1 other very good option (2 if you move BB back there)He needs to play. But it is a risk to move a guy who's recently nailed down 15 to another position. Maybe a one off trial, it's getting close to the next RWC so time is running out. Having said that, in my mind no one has nailed down spots starting in midfield except perhaps ALB
I see it as Jordie needs to play where he's best suited and wants to play, because Jordan's form means he should be starting at fullback.
There's plenty of Tests between now and the RWC.
But TUJ is a specialist midfielders & a much better 12 than Jordie, watch a replay of the Canes vs Landers match, TUJ physically dominated Barrett in the midfield.
Jordie has played far better at 15 for the Canes, he hasn't looked convincing at 12.
You're basing your rational on feeling.
