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  • BonesB Bones

    @Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:

    Midfield - an initial problem is that I don't clearly know who Fozzie thinks are second fives and who are centres. I don't really understand why he went from using 12. ALB; 13. Goodhue in 2019 to 12. Goodhue; 13. ALB in 2020. The former seemed to work significantly better to me. But now we've had 2021 without JG and are having 2022 without ALB; so we're still not learning the full story about Fozzie's plans. Now we've got a bunch of potential 2nd five options, who are either untried or haven't nailed the position; and Rieko and Goodhue who both seem like good options to play centre - but, still have a bit to prove at test level. And maybe Jack is Fozzie's second-five...

    I think the only thing you've missed is....(grimace)....they have shown a liking for Ennor at centre. It won't surprise me in the least if they go back to him (even over Ioane). Sad Face.

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    @Bones said in All Blacks 2022:

    @Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:

    Midfield - an initial problem is that I don't clearly know who Fozzie thinks are second fives and who are centres. I don't really understand why he went from using 12. ALB; 13. Goodhue in 2019 to 12. Goodhue; 13. ALB in 2020. The former seemed to work significantly better to me. But now we've had 2021 without JG and are having 2022 without ALB; so we're still not learning the full story about Fozzie's plans. Now we've got a bunch of potential 2nd five options, who are either untried or haven't nailed the position; and Rieko and Goodhue who both seem like good options to play centre - but, still have a bit to prove at test level. And maybe Jack is Fozzie's second-five...

    I think the only thing you've missed is....(grimace)....they have shown a liking for Ennor at centre. It won't surprise me in the least if they go back to him (even over Ioane). Sad Face.

    I fucking hope not. Reiko is both in good form and has Test experience so I think he's nailed on for 13 as he's the safest option. My guess is Fozzie will go for experience and if Goodhue goes OK in SRP, it's be between him and QT for 12 with PUJ poss. as cover.

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    • Victor MeldrewV Victor Meldrew

      @Bones said in All Blacks 2022:

      @Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:

      Midfield - an initial problem is that I don't clearly know who Fozzie thinks are second fives and who are centres. I don't really understand why he went from using 12. ALB; 13. Goodhue in 2019 to 12. Goodhue; 13. ALB in 2020. The former seemed to work significantly better to me. But now we've had 2021 without JG and are having 2022 without ALB; so we're still not learning the full story about Fozzie's plans. Now we've got a bunch of potential 2nd five options, who are either untried or haven't nailed the position; and Rieko and Goodhue who both seem like good options to play centre - but, still have a bit to prove at test level. And maybe Jack is Fozzie's second-five...

      I think the only thing you've missed is....(grimace)....they have shown a liking for Ennor at centre. It won't surprise me in the least if they go back to him (even over Ioane). Sad Face.

      I fucking hope not. Reiko is both in good form and has Test experience so I think he's nailed on for 13 as he's the safest option. My guess is Fozzie will go for experience and if Goodhue goes OK in SRP, it's be between him and QT for 12 with PUJ poss. as cover.

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      @Victor-Meldrew oh I fucken hope not too, but he has form...

      I'd take TUJ over his brother this year.

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      • BonesB Bones

        @Victor-Meldrew oh I fucken hope not too, but he has form...

        I'd take TUJ over his brother this year.

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        @Bones said in All Blacks 2022:

        @Victor-Meldrew oh I fucken hope not too, but he has form...

        I'd take TUJ over his brother this year.

        Only cos that twat Holland doesn't play PUJ, who knows if he's better?

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          @Bones said in All Blacks 2022:

          @Victor-Meldrew oh I fucken hope not too, but he has form...

          I'd take TUJ over his brother this year.

          Only cos that twat Holland doesn't play PUJ, who knows if he's better?

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          @Machpants maybe there's a reason...we never know what goes on at training, during the week etc.

          A good coach should be able to work past issues like that or if there are personality clashes.

          If he is that good, why is he continually overlooked?

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          • taniwharugbyT taniwharugby

            @Machpants maybe there's a reason...we never know what goes on at training, during the week etc.

            A good coach should be able to work past issues like that or if there are personality clashes.

            If he is that good, why is he continually overlooked?

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            @taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:

            @Machpants maybe there's a reason...we never know what goes on at training, during the week etc.

            A good coach should be able to work past issues like that or if there are personality clashes.

            If he is that good, why is he continually overlooked?

            I guess we're lucky that Holland is not posting Princep in the midfield?

            I call bollocks as Holland has favourites, ones that make no sense. PUJ was awesome last year when he got game time, now I don't know. I do know that Holland does pick plodding unflushables, so I'm blaming Holland's favouritism, rather than PUJs form

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              @chimoaus said in All Blacks 2022:

              I think Jordie at 15 makes the most sense and QT or Goodhue at 12. In saying that if RTS keeps performing a BB, RTS, RI combo would work well considering they already play together.

              What are QT's tackle stats? You can't carry Mo'unga and him in the important 10-12 channel. That's a recipe for disaster.

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              @antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:

              @chimoaus said in All Blacks 2022:

              I think Jordie at 15 makes the most sense and QT or Goodhue at 12. In saying that if RTS keeps performing a BB, RTS, RI combo would work well considering they already play together.

              What are QT's tackle stats? You can't carry Mo'unga and him in the important 10-12 channel. That's a recipe for disaster.

              Please share

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              • M Machpants

                @taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:

                @Machpants maybe there's a reason...we never know what goes on at training, during the week etc.

                A good coach should be able to work past issues like that or if there are personality clashes.

                If he is that good, why is he continually overlooked?

                I guess we're lucky that Holland is not posting Princep in the midfield?

                I call bollocks as Holland has favourites, ones that make no sense. PUJ was awesome last year when he got game time, now I don't know. I do know that Holland does pick plodding unflushables, so I'm blaming Holland's favouritism, rather than PUJs form

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                @Machpants said in All Blacks 2022:

                @taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:

                @Machpants maybe there's a reason...we never know what goes on at training, during the week etc.

                A good coach should be able to work past issues like that or if there are personality clashes.

                If he is that good, why is he continually overlooked?

                I guess we're lucky that Holland is not posting Princep in the midfield?

                I call bollocks as Holland has favourites, ones that make no sense. PUJ was awesome last year when he got game time, now I don't know. I do know that Holland does pick plodding unflushables, so I'm blaming Holland's favouritism, rather than PUJs form

                Yeah it is weird, since he made the ABs under Holland didn't he? Then seemingly ended up out of favour, last year then seemingly ended up left right out this year.

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                • BonesB Bones

                  @Machpants said in All Blacks 2022:

                  @taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:

                  @Machpants maybe there's a reason...we never know what goes on at training, during the week etc.

                  A good coach should be able to work past issues like that or if there are personality clashes.

                  If he is that good, why is he continually overlooked?

                  I guess we're lucky that Holland is not posting Princep in the midfield?

                  I call bollocks as Holland has favourites, ones that make no sense. PUJ was awesome last year when he got game time, now I don't know. I do know that Holland does pick plodding unflushables, so I'm blaming Holland's favouritism, rather than PUJs form

                  Yeah it is weird, since he made the ABs under Holland didn't he? Then seemingly ended up out of favour, last year then seemingly ended up left right out this year.

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                  @Bones again, why? What has changed?

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                  • Victor MeldrewV Victor Meldrew

                    @Bones said in All Blacks 2022:

                    @Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:

                    Midfield - an initial problem is that I don't clearly know who Fozzie thinks are second fives and who are centres. I don't really understand why he went from using 12. ALB; 13. Goodhue in 2019 to 12. Goodhue; 13. ALB in 2020. The former seemed to work significantly better to me. But now we've had 2021 without JG and are having 2022 without ALB; so we're still not learning the full story about Fozzie's plans. Now we've got a bunch of potential 2nd five options, who are either untried or haven't nailed the position; and Rieko and Goodhue who both seem like good options to play centre - but, still have a bit to prove at test level. And maybe Jack is Fozzie's second-five...

                    I think the only thing you've missed is....(grimace)....they have shown a liking for Ennor at centre. It won't surprise me in the least if they go back to him (even over Ioane). Sad Face.

                    I fucking hope not. Reiko is both in good form and has Test experience so I think he's nailed on for 13 as he's the safest option. My guess is Fozzie will go for experience and if Goodhue goes OK in SRP, it's be between him and QT for 12 with PUJ poss. as cover.

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                    @Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:

                    @Bones said in All Blacks 2022:

                    @Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:

                    Midfield - an initial problem is that I don't clearly know who Fozzie thinks are second fives and who are centres. I don't really understand why he went from using 12. ALB; 13. Goodhue in 2019 to 12. Goodhue; 13. ALB in 2020. The former seemed to work significantly better to me. But now we've had 2021 without JG and are having 2022 without ALB; so we're still not learning the full story about Fozzie's plans. Now we've got a bunch of potential 2nd five options, who are either untried or haven't nailed the position; and Rieko and Goodhue who both seem like good options to play centre - but, still have a bit to prove at test level. And maybe Jack is Fozzie's second-five...

                    I think the only thing you've missed is....(grimace)....they have shown a liking for Ennor at centre. It won't surprise me in the least if they go back to him (even over Ioane). Sad Face.

                    I fucking hope not. Reiko is both in good form and has Test experience so I think he's nailed on for 13 as he's the safest option. My guess is Fozzie will go for experience and if Goodhue goes OK in SRP, it's be between him and QT for 12 with PUJ poss. as cover.

                    Is PUJ one of those guys who just gets better and better the more he doesn't play?

                    Not a crack at you Vic. But he keeps getting mentioned in dispatches but isn't in the top 3 (or is it 4?) midfielders in his Super team.

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                    • boobooB booboo

                      @Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:

                      @Bones said in All Blacks 2022:

                      @Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:

                      Midfield - an initial problem is that I don't clearly know who Fozzie thinks are second fives and who are centres. I don't really understand why he went from using 12. ALB; 13. Goodhue in 2019 to 12. Goodhue; 13. ALB in 2020. The former seemed to work significantly better to me. But now we've had 2021 without JG and are having 2022 without ALB; so we're still not learning the full story about Fozzie's plans. Now we've got a bunch of potential 2nd five options, who are either untried or haven't nailed the position; and Rieko and Goodhue who both seem like good options to play centre - but, still have a bit to prove at test level. And maybe Jack is Fozzie's second-five...

                      I think the only thing you've missed is....(grimace)....they have shown a liking for Ennor at centre. It won't surprise me in the least if they go back to him (even over Ioane). Sad Face.

                      I fucking hope not. Reiko is both in good form and has Test experience so I think he's nailed on for 13 as he's the safest option. My guess is Fozzie will go for experience and if Goodhue goes OK in SRP, it's be between him and QT for 12 with PUJ poss. as cover.

                      Is PUJ one of those guys who just gets better and better the more he doesn't play?

                      Not a crack at you Vic. But he keeps getting mentioned in dispatches but isn't in the top 3 (or is it 4?) midfielders in his Super team.

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                      @booboo said in All Blacks 2022:

                      @Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:

                      @Bones said in All Blacks 2022:

                      @Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:

                      Midfield - an initial problem is that I don't clearly know who Fozzie thinks are second fives and who are centres. I don't really understand why he went from using 12. ALB; 13. Goodhue in 2019 to 12. Goodhue; 13. ALB in 2020. The former seemed to work significantly better to me. But now we've had 2021 without JG and are having 2022 without ALB; so we're still not learning the full story about Fozzie's plans. Now we've got a bunch of potential 2nd five options, who are either untried or haven't nailed the position; and Rieko and Goodhue who both seem like good options to play centre - but, still have a bit to prove at test level. And maybe Jack is Fozzie's second-five...

                      I think the only thing you've missed is....(grimace)....they have shown a liking for Ennor at centre. It won't surprise me in the least if they go back to him (even over Ioane). Sad Face.

                      I fucking hope not. Reiko is both in good form and has Test experience so I think he's nailed on for 13 as he's the safest option. My guess is Fozzie will go for experience and if Goodhue goes OK in SRP, it's be between him and QT for 12 with PUJ poss. as cover.

                      Is PUJ one of those guys who just gets better and better the more he doesn't play?

                      Not a crack at you Vic. But he keeps getting mentioned in dispatches but isn't in the top 3 (or is it 4?) midfielders in his Super team.

                      He made the ABs and didn't look out of place. I'd say he's pretty handy.

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                      • taniwharugbyT taniwharugby

                        @Bones again, why? What has changed?

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                        @taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:

                        @Bones again, why? What has changed?

                        Not telling

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                        • BonesB Bones

                          @booboo said in All Blacks 2022:

                          @Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:

                          @Bones said in All Blacks 2022:

                          @Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:

                          Midfield - an initial problem is that I don't clearly know who Fozzie thinks are second fives and who are centres. I don't really understand why he went from using 12. ALB; 13. Goodhue in 2019 to 12. Goodhue; 13. ALB in 2020. The former seemed to work significantly better to me. But now we've had 2021 without JG and are having 2022 without ALB; so we're still not learning the full story about Fozzie's plans. Now we've got a bunch of potential 2nd five options, who are either untried or haven't nailed the position; and Rieko and Goodhue who both seem like good options to play centre - but, still have a bit to prove at test level. And maybe Jack is Fozzie's second-five...

                          I think the only thing you've missed is....(grimace)....they have shown a liking for Ennor at centre. It won't surprise me in the least if they go back to him (even over Ioane). Sad Face.

                          I fucking hope not. Reiko is both in good form and has Test experience so I think he's nailed on for 13 as he's the safest option. My guess is Fozzie will go for experience and if Goodhue goes OK in SRP, it's be between him and QT for 12 with PUJ poss. as cover.

                          Is PUJ one of those guys who just gets better and better the more he doesn't play?

                          Not a crack at you Vic. But he keeps getting mentioned in dispatches but isn't in the top 3 (or is it 4?) midfielders in his Super team.

                          He made the ABs and didn't look out of place. I'd say he's pretty handy.

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                          @Bones said in All Blacks 2022:

                          @booboo said in All Blacks 2022:

                          @Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:

                          @Bones said in All Blacks 2022:

                          @Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:

                          Midfield - an initial problem is that I don't clearly know who Fozzie thinks are second fives and who are centres. I don't really understand why he went from using 12. ALB; 13. Goodhue in 2019 to 12. Goodhue; 13. ALB in 2020. The former seemed to work significantly better to me. But now we've had 2021 without JG and are having 2022 without ALB; so we're still not learning the full story about Fozzie's plans. Now we've got a bunch of potential 2nd five options, who are either untried or haven't nailed the position; and Rieko and Goodhue who both seem like good options to play centre - but, still have a bit to prove at test level. And maybe Jack is Fozzie's second-five...

                          I think the only thing you've missed is....(grimace)....they have shown a liking for Ennor at centre. It won't surprise me in the least if they go back to him (even over Ioane). Sad Face.

                          I fucking hope not. Reiko is both in good form and has Test experience so I think he's nailed on for 13 as he's the safest option. My guess is Fozzie will go for experience and if Goodhue goes OK in SRP, it's be between him and QT for 12 with PUJ poss. as cover.

                          Is PUJ one of those guys who just gets better and better the more he doesn't play?

                          Not a crack at you Vic. But he keeps getting mentioned in dispatches but isn't in the top 3 (or is it 4?) midfielders in his Super team.

                          He made the ABs and didn't look out of place. I'd say he's pretty handy.

                          So did Charlie Ngatai.

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                          • Victor MeldrewV Victor Meldrew

                            @Bones said in All Blacks 2022:

                            @Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:

                            Midfield - an initial problem is that I don't clearly know who Fozzie thinks are second fives and who are centres. I don't really understand why he went from using 12. ALB; 13. Goodhue in 2019 to 12. Goodhue; 13. ALB in 2020. The former seemed to work significantly better to me. But now we've had 2021 without JG and are having 2022 without ALB; so we're still not learning the full story about Fozzie's plans. Now we've got a bunch of potential 2nd five options, who are either untried or haven't nailed the position; and Rieko and Goodhue who both seem like good options to play centre - but, still have a bit to prove at test level. And maybe Jack is Fozzie's second-five...

                            I think the only thing you've missed is....(grimace)....they have shown a liking for Ennor at centre. It won't surprise me in the least if they go back to him (even over Ioane). Sad Face.

                            I fucking hope not. Reiko is both in good form and has Test experience so I think he's nailed on for 13 as he's the safest option. My guess is Fozzie will go for experience and if Goodhue goes OK in SRP, it's be between him and QT for 12 with PUJ poss. as cover.

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                            @Victor-Meldrew Ennor on form shouldn’t be in conversation.
                            Goodhue has lots of subtleties to his game and which are valuable at 13, but much less so at 12.
                            I’d like to see him in 23, because Rieko also covers wing and Richie 10/15, moreso because I’d like him to get some game time at 13. It also allows a new face to be tried at 12, knowing that Goodhue can cover that satisfactorily if it doesn’t immediately gel.

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                            • boobooB booboo

                              @Bones said in All Blacks 2022:

                              @booboo said in All Blacks 2022:

                              @Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:

                              @Bones said in All Blacks 2022:

                              @Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:

                              Midfield - an initial problem is that I don't clearly know who Fozzie thinks are second fives and who are centres. I don't really understand why he went from using 12. ALB; 13. Goodhue in 2019 to 12. Goodhue; 13. ALB in 2020. The former seemed to work significantly better to me. But now we've had 2021 without JG and are having 2022 without ALB; so we're still not learning the full story about Fozzie's plans. Now we've got a bunch of potential 2nd five options, who are either untried or haven't nailed the position; and Rieko and Goodhue who both seem like good options to play centre - but, still have a bit to prove at test level. And maybe Jack is Fozzie's second-five...

                              I think the only thing you've missed is....(grimace)....they have shown a liking for Ennor at centre. It won't surprise me in the least if they go back to him (even over Ioane). Sad Face.

                              I fucking hope not. Reiko is both in good form and has Test experience so I think he's nailed on for 13 as he's the safest option. My guess is Fozzie will go for experience and if Goodhue goes OK in SRP, it's be between him and QT for 12 with PUJ poss. as cover.

                              Is PUJ one of those guys who just gets better and better the more he doesn't play?

                              Not a crack at you Vic. But he keeps getting mentioned in dispatches but isn't in the top 3 (or is it 4?) midfielders in his Super team.

                              He made the ABs and didn't look out of place. I'd say he's pretty handy.

                              So did Charlie Ngatai.

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                              @booboo said in All Blacks 2022:

                              @Bones said in All Blacks 2022:

                              @booboo said in All Blacks 2022:

                              @Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:

                              @Bones said in All Blacks 2022:

                              @Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:

                              Midfield - an initial problem is that I don't clearly know who Fozzie thinks are second fives and who are centres. I don't really understand why he went from using 12. ALB; 13. Goodhue in 2019 to 12. Goodhue; 13. ALB in 2020. The former seemed to work significantly better to me. But now we've had 2021 without JG and are having 2022 without ALB; so we're still not learning the full story about Fozzie's plans. Now we've got a bunch of potential 2nd five options, who are either untried or haven't nailed the position; and Rieko and Goodhue who both seem like good options to play centre - but, still have a bit to prove at test level. And maybe Jack is Fozzie's second-five...

                              I think the only thing you've missed is....(grimace)....they have shown a liking for Ennor at centre. It won't surprise me in the least if they go back to him (even over Ioane). Sad Face.

                              I fucking hope not. Reiko is both in good form and has Test experience so I think he's nailed on for 13 as he's the safest option. My guess is Fozzie will go for experience and if Goodhue goes OK in SRP, it's be between him and QT for 12 with PUJ poss. as cover.

                              Is PUJ one of those guys who just gets better and better the more he doesn't play?

                              Not a crack at you Vic. But he keeps getting mentioned in dispatches but isn't in the top 3 (or is it 4?) midfielders in his Super team.

                              He made the ABs and didn't look out of place. I'd say he's pretty handy.

                              So did Charlie Ngatai.

                              And then ascended into heaven

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                                @Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:

                                @Bones said in All Blacks 2022:

                                @Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:

                                Midfield - an initial problem is that I don't clearly know who Fozzie thinks are second fives and who are centres. I don't really understand why he went from using 12. ALB; 13. Goodhue in 2019 to 12. Goodhue; 13. ALB in 2020. The former seemed to work significantly better to me. But now we've had 2021 without JG and are having 2022 without ALB; so we're still not learning the full story about Fozzie's plans. Now we've got a bunch of potential 2nd five options, who are either untried or haven't nailed the position; and Rieko and Goodhue who both seem like good options to play centre - but, still have a bit to prove at test level. And maybe Jack is Fozzie's second-five...

                                I think the only thing you've missed is....(grimace)....they have shown a liking for Ennor at centre. It won't surprise me in the least if they go back to him (even over Ioane). Sad Face.

                                I fucking hope not. Reiko is both in good form and has Test experience so I think he's nailed on for 13 as he's the safest option. My guess is Fozzie will go for experience and if Goodhue goes OK in SRP, it's be between him and QT for 12 with PUJ poss. as cover.

                                Is PUJ one of those guys who just gets better and better the more he doesn't play?

                                Not a crack at you Vic. But he keeps getting mentioned in dispatches but isn't in the top 3 (or is it 4?) midfielders in his Super team.

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                                @booboo said in All Blacks 2022:

                                @Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:

                                @Bones said in All Blacks 2022:

                                @Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:

                                Midfield - an initial problem is that I don't clearly know who Fozzie thinks are second fives and who are centres. I don't really understand why he went from using 12. ALB; 13. Goodhue in 2019 to 12. Goodhue; 13. ALB in 2020. The former seemed to work significantly better to me. But now we've had 2021 without JG and are having 2022 without ALB; so we're still not learning the full story about Fozzie's plans. Now we've got a bunch of potential 2nd five options, who are either untried or haven't nailed the position; and Rieko and Goodhue who both seem like good options to play centre - but, still have a bit to prove at test level. And maybe Jack is Fozzie's second-five...

                                I think the only thing you've missed is....(grimace)....they have shown a liking for Ennor at centre. It won't surprise me in the least if they go back to him (even over Ioane). Sad Face.

                                I fucking hope not. Reiko is both in good form and has Test experience so I think he's nailed on for 13 as he's the safest option. My guess is Fozzie will go for experience and if Goodhue goes OK in SRP, it's be between him and QT for 12 with PUJ poss. as cover.

                                Is PUJ one of those guys who just gets better and better the more he doesn't play?

                                Not a crack at you Vic. But he keeps getting mentioned in dispatches but isn't in the top 3 (or is it 4?) midfielders in his Super team.

                                My bad - I got my UJ's confused. meant TUJ. Thomas, being younger, has probably more potential....

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                                  @booboo said in All Blacks 2022:

                                  @Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:

                                  @Bones said in All Blacks 2022:

                                  @Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:

                                  Midfield - an initial problem is that I don't clearly know who Fozzie thinks are second fives and who are centres. I don't really understand why he went from using 12. ALB; 13. Goodhue in 2019 to 12. Goodhue; 13. ALB in 2020. The former seemed to work significantly better to me. But now we've had 2021 without JG and are having 2022 without ALB; so we're still not learning the full story about Fozzie's plans. Now we've got a bunch of potential 2nd five options, who are either untried or haven't nailed the position; and Rieko and Goodhue who both seem like good options to play centre - but, still have a bit to prove at test level. And maybe Jack is Fozzie's second-five...

                                  I think the only thing you've missed is....(grimace)....they have shown a liking for Ennor at centre. It won't surprise me in the least if they go back to him (even over Ioane). Sad Face.

                                  I fucking hope not. Reiko is both in good form and has Test experience so I think he's nailed on for 13 as he's the safest option. My guess is Fozzie will go for experience and if Goodhue goes OK in SRP, it's be between him and QT for 12 with PUJ poss. as cover.

                                  Is PUJ one of those guys who just gets better and better the more he doesn't play?

                                  Not a crack at you Vic. But he keeps getting mentioned in dispatches but isn't in the top 3 (or is it 4?) midfielders in his Super team.

                                  My bad - I got my UJ's confused. meant TUJ. Thomas, being younger, has probably more potential....

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                                  @Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:

                                  @booboo said in All Blacks 2022:

                                  @Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:

                                  @Bones said in All Blacks 2022:

                                  @Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:

                                  Midfield - an initial problem is that I don't clearly know who Fozzie thinks are second fives and who are centres. I don't really understand why he went from using 12. ALB; 13. Goodhue in 2019 to 12. Goodhue; 13. ALB in 2020. The former seemed to work significantly better to me. But now we've had 2021 without JG and are having 2022 without ALB; so we're still not learning the full story about Fozzie's plans. Now we've got a bunch of potential 2nd five options, who are either untried or haven't nailed the position; and Rieko and Goodhue who both seem like good options to play centre - but, still have a bit to prove at test level. And maybe Jack is Fozzie's second-five...

                                  I think the only thing you've missed is....(grimace)....they have shown a liking for Ennor at centre. It won't surprise me in the least if they go back to him (even over Ioane). Sad Face.

                                  I fucking hope not. Reiko is both in good form and has Test experience so I think he's nailed on for 13 as he's the safest option. My guess is Fozzie will go for experience and if Goodhue goes OK in SRP, it's be between him and QT for 12 with PUJ poss. as cover.

                                  Is PUJ one of those guys who just gets better and better the more he doesn't play?

                                  Not a crack at you Vic. But he keeps getting mentioned in dispatches but isn't in the top 3 (or is it 4?) midfielders in his Super team.

                                  My bad - I got my UJ's confused. meant TUJ. Thomas, being younger, has probably more potential....

                                  What, by a few minutes ?

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                                    @Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:

                                    @booboo said in All Blacks 2022:

                                    @Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:

                                    @Bones said in All Blacks 2022:

                                    @Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:

                                    Midfield - an initial problem is that I don't clearly know who Fozzie thinks are second fives and who are centres. I don't really understand why he went from using 12. ALB; 13. Goodhue in 2019 to 12. Goodhue; 13. ALB in 2020. The former seemed to work significantly better to me. But now we've had 2021 without JG and are having 2022 without ALB; so we're still not learning the full story about Fozzie's plans. Now we've got a bunch of potential 2nd five options, who are either untried or haven't nailed the position; and Rieko and Goodhue who both seem like good options to play centre - but, still have a bit to prove at test level. And maybe Jack is Fozzie's second-five...

                                    I think the only thing you've missed is....(grimace)....they have shown a liking for Ennor at centre. It won't surprise me in the least if they go back to him (even over Ioane). Sad Face.

                                    I fucking hope not. Reiko is both in good form and has Test experience so I think he's nailed on for 13 as he's the safest option. My guess is Fozzie will go for experience and if Goodhue goes OK in SRP, it's be between him and QT for 12 with PUJ poss. as cover.

                                    Is PUJ one of those guys who just gets better and better the more he doesn't play?

                                    Not a crack at you Vic. But he keeps getting mentioned in dispatches but isn't in the top 3 (or is it 4?) midfielders in his Super team.

                                    My bad - I got my UJ's confused. meant TUJ. Thomas, being younger, has probably more potential....

                                    What, by a few minutes ?

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                                    @MN5 said in All Blacks 2022:

                                    @Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:

                                    @booboo said in All Blacks 2022:

                                    @Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:

                                    @Bones said in All Blacks 2022:

                                    @Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:

                                    Midfield - an initial problem is that I don't clearly know who Fozzie thinks are second fives and who are centres. I don't really understand why he went from using 12. ALB; 13. Goodhue in 2019 to 12. Goodhue; 13. ALB in 2020. The former seemed to work significantly better to me. But now we've had 2021 without JG and are having 2022 without ALB; so we're still not learning the full story about Fozzie's plans. Now we've got a bunch of potential 2nd five options, who are either untried or haven't nailed the position; and Rieko and Goodhue who both seem like good options to play centre - but, still have a bit to prove at test level. And maybe Jack is Fozzie's second-five...

                                    I think the only thing you've missed is....(grimace)....they have shown a liking for Ennor at centre. It won't surprise me in the least if they go back to him (even over Ioane). Sad Face.

                                    I fucking hope not. Reiko is both in good form and has Test experience so I think he's nailed on for 13 as he's the safest option. My guess is Fozzie will go for experience and if Goodhue goes OK in SRP, it's be between him and QT for 12 with PUJ poss. as cover.

                                    Is PUJ one of those guys who just gets better and better the more he doesn't play?

                                    Not a crack at you Vic. But he keeps getting mentioned in dispatches but isn't in the top 3 (or is it 4?) midfielders in his Super team.

                                    My bad - I got my UJ's confused. meant TUJ. Thomas, being younger, has probably more potential....

                                    What, by a few minutes ?

                                    You really walked into that one didn't you? :smiling_face_with_sunglasses:

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                                    • taniwharugbyT taniwharugby

                                      @Bones again, why? What has changed?

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                                      @taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:

                                      @Bones again, why? What has changed?

                                      Holland throwing his teddies out cos he hasn't re-signed for next year?

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                                        @antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:

                                        @chimoaus said in All Blacks 2022:

                                        I think Jordie at 15 makes the most sense and QT or Goodhue at 12. In saying that if RTS keeps performing a BB, RTS, RI combo would work well considering they already play together.

                                        What are QT's tackle stats? You can't carry Mo'unga and him in the important 10-12 channel. That's a recipe for disaster.

                                        Please share

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                                        @booboo said in All Blacks 2022:

                                        @antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:

                                        @chimoaus said in All Blacks 2022:

                                        I think Jordie at 15 makes the most sense and QT or Goodhue at 12. In saying that if RTS keeps performing a BB, RTS, RI combo would work well considering they already play together.

                                        What are QT's tackle stats? You can't carry Mo'unga and him in the important 10-12 channel. That's a recipe for disaster.

                                        Please share

                                        Opposition Made Missed
                                        Rebels 10 0
                                        Brumbies 10 4
                                        Reds 2 2
                                        Waratahs 2 2
                                        Chiefs 6 3
                                        Crusaders 8 2
                                        Moana Pasifika 5 1
                                        Crusaders 4 4
                                        Blues 5 4

                                        Stats from ESPN.

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                                          @taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:

                                          @Bones again, why? What has changed?

                                          Holland throwing his teddies out cos he hasn't re-signed for next year?

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                                          @Machpants TBF, if he indicated early on he was intending to leave, then I dont blame Holland.

                                          I'm not saying he isnt a good player, I just think there is always a bit more to why things happen than the speculation here...

                                          I honestly cannot see why Holland would not play him if he is the best in his squad when fit, unless there is somethign else.

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