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<p>kind of like service assistants for the hard of thinking. Job creation for Nana's cleverer offspring, right there.</p>
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<p>I can't believe the Stanford rapist got off so light. Oh to be white sporty and (formerly) a student of a top university. If it had been some black gangbanger they'd have thrown away the key</p>
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11651865'>http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11651865</a></p>
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<p>This whole thing has been fascinating, from start to where we are now (it ain't finished). It's gone the whole hog.</p>
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<p>Latest updates are mothers talking about their 2-4 year olds boys and talking about they must educate them etc etc.</p>
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<p>Talk about over the top. One pumped up well heeled/educated guy gets pissed and attempts to rape a chick and now everybody else must change the way they educate? You can fuck off with that theory.</p>
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<p>The father made a right douche of himself with his statement. He has to support his son, he has to. But jeeze pal, after he gets a light sentence to say that - head in the clouds.</p> -
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<p>This whole thing has been fascinating, from start to where we are now (it ain't finished). It's gone the whole hog.</p>
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<p>Latest updates are mothers talking about their 2-4 year olds boys and talking about they must educate them etc etc.</p>
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<p>Talk about over the top. One pumped up well heeled/educated guy gets pissed and attempts to rape a chick and now everybody else must change the way they educate? You can fuck off with that theory.</p>
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<p><strong>The father made a right douche of himself with his statement. He has to support his son, he has to. But jeeze pal, after he gets a light sentence to say that - head in the clouds.</strong></p>
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<p>As a Dad to two young sons I'm kinda terrified that in just over ten years time I could be getting the call that one of them has gotten up to no good. I agree, it's very easy to point the finger at that Douchebag Dad but if any of us were in that situation would we not defend our kids too ?</p>
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<p>Doesn't fucken bear thinking about really. I mean we've all done dumb shit on the piss as young fellas but 999 times out of 1000 it's silly hi jinks that can be laughed off in the cold light of sobriety.......</p> -
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<p>This whole thing has been fascinating, from start to where we are now (it ain't finished). It's gone the whole hog.</p>
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<p><strong>Latest updates are mothers talking about their 2-4 year olds boys and talking about they must educate them etc etc.</strong></p>
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<p><strong>Talk about over the top. </strong> One pumped up well heeled/educated guy gets pissed and attempts to rape a chick and now everybody else must change the way they educate? You can fuck off with that theory.</p>
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<p>The father made a right douche of himself with his statement. He has to support his son, he has to. But jeeze pal, after he gets a light sentence to say that - head in the clouds.</p>
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<p>It's not over the top at all. Kids are never to young to learn about boundaries when it comes to others ie unwanted touching. By the time they hit their teens, it is way too late.</p> -
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<p>It's not over the top at all. Kids are never to young to learn about boundaries when it comes to others ie unwanted touching. By the time they hit their teens, it is way too late.</p>
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<p>It totally is. It's typical one case, one incident and now every male is branded as "potentially being" that guy.</p>
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<p>The guy was a rapist from a well-to-do family who thought they could fight the law by chucking money, power and privelege at it. The victim has called them out on it in a very big way and bravo for doing so.</p>
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<p>It's not over the top at all. Kids are never to young to learn about boundaries when it comes to others ie unwanted touching. By the time they hit their teens, it is way too late.</p>
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<p>Yes it fucking is. It is one of the things that really fucks me off. Because one male does something wrong, you dont need to start talking to small boys about rape. Any more than if a mother murders her child (more mothers murder their children than Dads btw), we need to start telling little girls not to murder people.</p>
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<p>Anyone that thinks that teaching small kids not to touch other kids in 'inappropriate way' will stop them becoming a rapist is retarded. Rape is about power, therefore if anything we should just teach not to be bullying little entitled ass hats.</p>
<p>Sure if my son had touched a little girl in her crotch at daycare I would have said for him not do it and just said that you dont anyone down there.. regardless of gender. I would have said the same to my little girl f she had done it, gender and rape have no place in that discussion at that age</p>
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<p>This rape culture narrative is complete and utter bullshit. Usually pushed by male hating feminists with serious mental health issues., And no I am not accusing you of this as you haven't mentioned rape culture.</p> -
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<p>Yes it fucking is. It is one of the things that really fucks me off. Because one male does something wrong, you dont need to start talking to small boys about rape. Any more than if a mother murders her child (more mothers murder their children than Dads btw), we need to start telling little girls not to murder people.</p>
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<p>Anyone that thinks that teaching small kids not to touch other kids in 'inappropriate way' will stop them becoming a rapist is retarded. Rape is about power, therefore if anything we should just teach not to be bullying little entitled ass hats.</p>
<p>Sure if my son had touched a little girl in her crotch at daycare I would have said for him not do it and just said that you dont anyone down there.. regardless of gender. I would have said the same to my little girl f she had done it, gender and rape have no place in that discussion at that age</p>
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<p>This rape culture narrative is complete and utter bullshit. Usually pushed by male hating feminists with serious mental health issues., And no I am not accusing you of this as you haven't mentioned rape culture.</p>
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<p>To put it more simply. You HAVE to let them be kids first and foremost. I've had the usual issues you have with boys ie fighting and calling girls names etc but I've drilled it in them that it's not ok to hit girls.....and you only hit boys in self defence and as a last resort which is already a conflict I'm having with their Mum as I don't want them being pansys who go to the teacher every five minutes which is what she suggests at the first sign of any shit going down.</p>
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<p>MajorRage I agree that victim statement was really brave even under the mask of anonymity......</p> -
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<p>Yes it fucking is. It is one of the things that really fucks me off. <strong>Because one male does something wrong, </strong>you dont need to start talking to small boys about rape. Any more than if a mother murders her child (more mothers murder their children than Dads btw), we need to start telling little girls not to murder people.</p>
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<p>Anyone that thinks that teaching small kids not to touch other kids in 'inappropriate way' will stop them becoming a rapist is retarded. Rape is about power, therefore if anything we should just teach not to be bullying little entitled ass hats.</p>
<p>Sure if my son had touched a little girl in her crotch at daycare I would have said for him not do it and just said that you dont anyone down there.. regardless of gender. I would have said the same to my little girl f she had done it, gender and rape have no place in that discussion at that age</p>
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<p>This rape culture narrative is complete and utter bullshit. Usually pushed by male hating feminists with serious mental health issues., And no I am not accusing you of this as you haven't mentioned rape culture.</p>
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<p>That is the only retarded statement. So there has been one rape case in the history of the world, has there? When we have stats like 1 in 5 women in NZ have been a victim of a serious sexual assault, it is clear that the problem is very widespread.</p>
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<p>And it's not about talking rape to little kids, but ownership of their own bodies, saying no, and respecting no.</p> -
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<p>That is the only retarded statement. So there has been one rape case in the history of the world, has there? <strong>When we have stats like 1 in 5 women in NZ have been a victim of a serious sexual assault,</strong> it is clear that the problem is very widespread.</p>
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<p>And it's not about talking rape to little kids, but ownership of their own bodies, saying no, and respecting no.</p>
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<p>Considering that stat is completly bullshit. I think you need to reconsider. All part of the anti male rape culture rubbish,</p>
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://socawlege.com/truth-behind-1-5-women-assaulted-campus-statistic/'>http://socawlege.com/truth-behind-1-5-women-assaulted-campus-statistic/</a></p>
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<p>As for one rape ever in the world... Yes Mokey.. yes that is what I was saying. Well spotted. Great critique. </p> -
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<p>To put it more simply. You HAVE to let them be kids first and foremost. I've had the usual issues you have with boys ie fighting and calling girls names etc but I've drilled it in them that it's not ok to hit girls.....and you only hit boys in self defence and as a last resort which is already a conflict I'm having with their Mum as I don't want them being pansys who go to the teacher every five minutes which is what she suggests at the first sign of any shit going down.</p>
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<p>MajorRage I agree that victim statement was really brave even under the mask of anonymity......</p>
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<p>Tell me about it. It's kind of shit having your 4 year old boy crying to you when his 2 year old sister hits him. He was taught right from the word go to not hit his younger sister and we dealt with everything extremely harshly. And now here we are!</p> -
<p>The Stanford kid is a cretin, and should be going away for six to ten years, and the father at the very least needs a clip around the ears.</p>
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<p>However, when my Facebook page starts filling up with posts with headlines like: "Dear Dads: this is what rape culture looks like, and you're responsible", and following ones suggesting that if you "roll your eyes it's [some form of] privilege"... well, I start to roll my eyes.</p>
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<p>On the whole, Terrible Two Year Old will learn far more about life from how I treat Mrs Steppa and my attitudes towards women than he will from any set of words that I use with him.</p>
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<p>If I somehow fail, and the Toddler Steppa does go wrong later in life, unlike Stanford cretins, there'll be no defence argued from this Dad about his subsequent punishment. </p> -
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<p>Don - if I'd raped someone I'd have been more scared of my Dad's reaction / punishment than any courts.</p>
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<p>The Stanford kid is a cretin, and should be going away for six to ten years, and the father at the very least needs a clip around the ears.</p>
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<p>However, when my Facebook page starts filling up with posts with headlines like: "Dear Dads: this is what rape culture looks like, and you're responsible", and following ones suggesting that if you "roll your eyes it's [some form of] privilege"... well, I start to roll my eyes.</p>
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<p>On the whole, Terrible Two Year Old will learn far more about life from how I treat Mrs Steppa and my attitudes towards women than he will from any set of words that I use with him.</p>
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<p>If I somehow fail, and the Toddler Steppa does go wrong later in life, unlike Stanford cretins, there'll be no defence argued from this Dad about his subsequent punishment. </p>
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<p>The problem is.. that you roll your eyes.. but some brain dead mothers take that seriously and start talking to small boys about rape and making them feel inherently bad just for having a penis.</p> -
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<p>Don - if I'd raped someone I'd have been more scared of my Dad's reaction / punishment than any courts.</p>
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<p>... on reflection, this may be where deadbeat or deliberately absent from their life Dads enter the equation to an extent. </p> -
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Don - if I'd raped someone I'd have been more scared of my Dad's reaction / punishment than any courts.</p></blockquote>If the guy was well raised but just happened to be a sicko bad seed it is terrible for the parents too. But based on the dad's statement I think it is more likely the kid was raised in an environment with a lack of accountability. If I did something out of line CF Snr punished me for it and I knew I'd done wrong. The same goes for CF jnr, if I think he's behaved poorly I punish him accordingly. You could assume the rapist had got away with a lot through his life for him to think what he did was a good idea -
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<p>If the guy was well raised but just happened to be a sicko bad seed it is terrible for the parents too. But based on the dad's statement I think it is more likely the kid was raised in an environment with a lack of accountability. If I did something out of line CF Snr punished me for it and I knew I'd done wrong. The same goes for CF jnr, if I think he's behaved poorly I punish him accordingly. You could assume the rapist had got away with a lot through his life for him to think what he did was a good idea</p>
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<p>Yep. In this particular case, the Father's comment makes me wonder if he could somehow be charged and jailed for a severe case of Being a Cretin.</p> -
<p>If being a cretin is punishable by jail time, TSF had better hope jails have good interweb</p>
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<p>As a Dad to two young sons I'm kinda terrified that in just over ten years time I could be getting the call that one of them has gotten up to no good. I agree, it's very easy to point the finger at that Douchebag Dad but if any of us were in that situation would we not defend our kids too ?</p>
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<p>Doesn't fucken bear thinking about really. I mean we've all done dumb shit on the piss as young fellas but 999 times out of 1000 it's silly hi jinks that can be laughed off in the cold light of sobriety.......</p>
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<p>No, I wouldn't defend them if they were convicted of such a heinous crime, BUT, I would still support them and love them and expect them to take responsibility for their "actions"</p> -
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<p>If being a cretin is punishable by jail time, TSF had better hope jails have good interweb</p>
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<p>Is that why we've lost a few posters in recent times?</p>
