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MN5

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Now if I wrote the headline it would something along the lines of,
 
Machete weilding feral shot by heroic officers. Equally feral partner tragically survives
 
<a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/80923765/shooting-in-paeroa'>http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/80923765/shooting-in-paeroa</a>
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That headline is "beer over the laptop" funny jegga........
 
So according to the feral's surviving partner the cops shot the feral in the back.
 
I find this impossible to believe unless he had his back to them and was threatening others in front of him.
 
......and according to the Stuff Morons it was "only" a machete, not like it was something apparently deadlier, like, you know, a gun or something. Just a machete. Not a deadly weapon. Total overreaction, they should have got in there and disarmed him, not shot him.
 
Fucken arsehole cops.

taniwharugby

yep, cops are the bad guys here!

jegga

Donsteppa , I wouldn't scream leftard quoting the Guardian about this . It's long been a huge issue that like domestic abuse and elder abuse sexual violence very often is unreported . I've mentioned before on other threads about growing up Catholic and every now and then some creep that my family knew who had s "reputation" shows up in the paper for historical sexual offences. 
If I was going to mention the guardian it'd be about the incredible hypocrisy displayed by them and other leftards over Asssnge. He had a long history of being acreep towards woman and even his son had said as much but for some reason they seem capable of downplaying that because he's done sort of hero to them . The reason he springs to mind is I just picked up a copy of Mad Men by Stephen Braunius, he goes to an address by Nicky Hagar to a journalism school and Hagar faps all over Assange and says when questioned about his sexual offences something along the lines of " I'm not going to say he didn't do it, but he totally didn't do it". 
I shake my head in disbelief when j see the same people who deify him in the next breath ranting about rape culture etc.

Donsteppa

Yep, I have a love/hate relationship with the Guardian. It's one of the few papers left with (generally) high quality writing, but every now and then they really jump the shark on a topic.

Baron Silas Greenback

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Yep, I have a love/hate relationship with the Guardian. It's one of the few papers left with (generally) high quality writing, but every now and then they really jump the shark on a topic.
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Ok... no... just absolutely categorically NO.
 
The Guardian is of similar ilk to the Daily Mail. Both love just making stuff up. The Guardian just do it in a more convincing fashion and with bigger words.
 
Will hopefully address your other post when I get a chance.

Baron Silas Greenback

How can something be recorded as a rape when it has not even been proven sufficiently to be further investigated? Isn't the stat that only 28% get put forward kinda meaningless without context?
 
Do we want alleged rapists put through the stress of a trial when the evidence against them is patently dishonest or non existent?
 
Has anyone actually shown that the process for those decisions is wrong on a consistent basis? Or have they picked a random stat and made it fit the narrative?

Donsteppa

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Baron Silas Greenback" data-cid="586251" data-time="1465617324">Ok... no... just absolutely categorically NO. 
 
The Guardian is of similar ilk to the Daily Mail. Both love just making stuff up. The Guardian just do it in a more convincing fashion and with bigger words. 
 
Will hopefully address your other post when I get a chance.</blockquote>
 
I've been swearing at Windows Update for most of the day, so had too much time on my hands. 
As for the Guardian, there's a reason I said love/hate. But for the most part I enjoy it once I get past the click bait/stirring columnists

Baron Silas Greenback

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As for Biden, politicians will be politicians. But I'm far more interested in whether he's right or wrong in this instance than in what other topics he should written a letter on. 
 
 
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Well he is wrong if he mentioned 1-5 women being sexual assault victims, His letter just helps a dishonest narrative, and as shown on this thread, if it gets repeated enough it grows a life of its own and becomes the truth,

Baron Silas Greenback

And whilst we are talking about the Crown Prosecution Service.
 
<a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/alison-saunders-should-be-sacked-for-the-janner-case-and-for-her-absurd-views-on-rape-10353802.html'>http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/alison-saunders-should-be-sacked-for-the-janner-case-and-for-her-absurd-views-on-rape-10353802.html</a>
 
Makes it very clear there is an anti male agenda (unless you are a senile kiddy fiddler). All males and people with sons should be concerned with how this id going.

jegga

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Yep, I have a love/hate relationship with the Guardian. It's one of the few papers left with (generally) high quality writing, but every now and then they really jump the shark on a topic.</blockquote>
 
Some of their sports writing is pretty good , I was reading an article about the abs of their website I was going to post the link to in the good rugby reads . 
When you lambast people about rape culture etc while excusing or downplaying Assange it looks like you don't actually give a fuck about the issue at all it's just another trope the left use to beat us up over .

Baron Silas Greenback

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Some of their sports writing is pretty good , I was reading an article about the abs of their website I was going to post the link to in the good rugby reads . 
When you lambast people about rape culture etc while excusing or downplaying Assange it looks like you don't actually give a fuck about the issue at all it's just another trope the left use to beat us up over .
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And you didn't even get a chance to mention their stance on Islam.. and their stance on womens/homosexual rights.

jegga

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That headline is "beer over the laptop" funny jegga........
 
So according to the feral's surviving partner the cops shot the feral in the back.
 
I find this impossible to believe unless he had his back to them and was threatening others in front of him.
 
......and according to the Stuff Morons it was "only" a machete, not like it was something apparently deadlier, like, you know, a gun or something. Just a machete. Not a deadly weapon. Total overreaction, they should have got in there and disarmed him, not shot him.
 
Fucken arsehole cops.
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He threw a slasher head at the cop car and smashed the window with a machete, but according to the feral he didn't deserve it <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/80967801/police-said-man-was-shot-in-torso-after-threatening-officers'>http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/80967801/police-said-man-was-shot-in-torso-after-threatening-officers</a>
 
Look at this non threatening thing he threw at the arsehole cops.
 
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Mokey

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 Also in the media this week... vehicle fatalities have halved in NZ while the population has doubled over the last 30 - 40 years (and violent crime stats are also on the decline, amongst other crimes in decline). Yet an outlier Queens Birthday road toll that's the highest since 1989 has also seen all sorts of lengthy knee jerk commentary this week, and an inordinate amount of time debating Judith Collins comments in a way that nearly made me put my foot through the car radio on two occasions driving to Taupo. (I think she's right to the extent that speed is one of multiple factors). SunLive commenter also lose their mind most times that there's a car crash reported - despite the long term trend and QBW fatalities being an outlier (and again, hideous for the families involved).
 
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Um, no. Vehicle fatalities are on the rise again in NZ - 2013 (253), 2014 (293) 2015 (319) and we are tracking worse this year again, with 154 people already having lost their lives on the road, and that number doesn't take into account all the hundreds of people hospitalised with serious, long term injuries. It's not just the fact that Queen's Birthday weekend was very bad.
 
The government Safe Systems strategy has four parts - safe roads and roadsides, safe speeds, safe vehicles and safe road use, and for the roads and roadsides part is pouring a great deal of money in the next 6 years into preventative measures such as wire rope barriers, rumble strips and widening of roads. The thinking is people make mistakes on the road, but they and others don't deserve to die for them, so if more forgiving measures are in place, the numbers will drop.

Donsteppa

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Um, no. Vehicle fatalities are on the rise again in NZ - 2013 (253), 2014 (293) 2015 (319) and we are tracking worse this year again, with 154 people already having lost their lives on the road, and that number doesn't take into account all the hundreds of people hospitalised with serious, long term injuries. It's not just the fact that Queen's Birthday weekend was very bad.
 
The government Safe Systems strategy has four parts - safe roads and roadsides, safe speeds, safe vehicles and safe road use, and for the roads and roadsides part is pouring a great deal of money in the next 6 years into preventative measures such as wire rope barriers, rumble strips and widening of roads. The thinking is people make mistakes on the road, but they and others don't deserve to die for them, so if more forgiving measures are in place, the numbers will drop.
 
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I was making a very long run comparison back to the 70's, when that road toll was 700 plus and the population was under 3 million. It is interesting that the trend has reversed in the last 3-4 years though.
 
NZTA has spoken a lot about safe systems, especially in the SH2 corridor locally towards Katikati, but much of the publicity from NZ Police has stayed predominately on speed and the 5km reduced tolerance in public holidays etc. Leading to their Minister disagreeing with them in parliament this week: <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/305936/motorists-distracted-by-speedo-minister'>http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/305936/motorists-distracted-by-speedo-minister</a>
 
Edit: it was worse than I remembered: <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.transport.govt.nz/research/roadtoll/road-safety-progress/'>http://www.transport.govt.nz/research/roadtoll/road-safety-progress/</a>
 
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In 1973, New Zealand suffered its highest ever road toll, 843 deaths in a single year. Our population at this time was just over 3 million and there were less than half the number of cars we now have on the road.
 
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If we had the same rate of road death as we did in 1973, given the number of cars now, there would be about 1900 road deaths this year.</blockquote>

Mokey

This decade has actually been pretty bad. 2010 (375) 2011 (284) 2012 (308) then it dipped down in 2013 (including the QBD weekend road toll of 0) then climbed each of the following years.
 
Very scary when you think cars are the safest they have ever been - seatbelts, airbags etc. I've seen pics of wrecks you wouldn't believe, like cars chopped in half or smashed into a hunk of metal, but driver and passengers have walked away without a scratch. Back in the 70's they would have had no chance.
 
The most recent TERNZ report found that wearing seatbelts and helmets, the age and weight of vehicles, and speed are among the crucial factors in whether or not someone survives a crash.
 
Is here if anyone wants to take a look: <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.transport.govt.nz/research/roadtoll/#TERNZ'>http://www.transport.govt.nz/research/roadtoll/#TERNZ</a>

Godder

As the driving population goes up (including tourists who rent cars, which is a rapidly expanding market), the road toll will generally increase slightly over time unless other measures are taken. I think the cars are about as safe as they will get (or at least, we're at the diminishing returns stage of development) until self-drive cars come along. but slowly rotating out the old cars for newer cars leaves a few gains here to be had.
 
Most of our long distance roads have issues, so some work there would help - median barriers (or painted medians) and moving trees and power poles away from the roadsides would be helpful.

No Quarter

Part of the problem is that our "state highways" are actually just country roads. No way you should have people doing 100KM on a lot of those roads, they are narrow as fuck. Hardly surprising we get quite a few head on collisions.
 
In Europe a "highway" is like 6+ lanes at least.

taniwharugby

not to mention alot of major roads around Europe are often single direction, with either a median barrier or a decent chunk of grass in between....

canefan

I always find Kiwi drivers are pretty inconsiderate rude or incompetent relative to drivers abroad when I've come home after driving in Europe the USA or Oz

Mokey

Yep to all of the above. Rural state highways are where a lot of accidents occur. Some of the roads are just old and crappy, with no shoulder, and plenty of hazards like ditches, trees and power poles. You don't have to do much to get off course, and when you get some dickhead coming around a blind corner going at 115km, there is no latitude for error, or correction. One car drifts over the centreline and boom, head on collision.
 
Most of the accidents happen in the Waikato/BOP, I think probably a bad combo of high volume traffic, speed and lots of narrow, windy roads. The big cities like Auckland and Wellington actually have hardly any, probably cos gridlocked traffic doesn't allow the momentum to have injury-causing accidents.

The Silver Fern

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