All Blacks 2022
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@gt12 said in All Blacks 2022:
I'd be interested to see a poll f who people think will be selected, versus those who they think should be selected.
I think the who will be selected vs who will be, won't be shockingly different. But I think a preferred 23, that you expect to see, vs that you want to see, will have a bigger difference. Foster will mostly pick a decent squad, but his 23 will be horribly conservative, favouring experience & time in vs actual form & explosiveness IMO
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2022:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2022:
I'd be interested to see a poll f who people think will be selected, versus those who they think should be selected.
I think the who will be selected vs who will be, won't be shockingly different. But I think a preferred 23, that you expect to see, vs that you want to see, will have a bigger difference. Foster will mostly pick a decent squad, but his 23 will be horribly conservative, favouring experience & time in vs actual form & explosiveness IMO
I dunno. Foster has tried to balance experience with developing players (e.g. Akira & Christie) so I'd expect the squad to have some new talent. The match 23 for the 1st Test will probbly be conservative but I'd like to think we'll see some new faces blooded in later Tests
While I like his approach of giving players time to settle in, I'd be disappointed if he picked say, Bridge or Havili - they've had a fair chance and been found wanting.
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@cgrant I think there could be a new tighthead prop to replace Taavao and Lomax. I'd pick Newell, but it could be Jager. Next couple of weeks will be interesting there.
The loose forward injuries potentially open up a chance for someone - I previously had 6 spots inked in and a plus one, who could have been capped or uncapped. Now there's likely plus three - with Ioane, Cane, Savea and Sotutu inked in. MMT and Robinson probably the best uncapped chances, since I don't think they'll pick an uncapped 7 unless we lose Cane or Savea.
There's probably at least one spot available in the midfield - I think RTS has the inside running, Sullivan if they're prepared to take two newbies.
And probably one in the outside backs - could go to a fullback (probably Perofeta) or a wing (Leicester, Talea or some other bolter).
Newell had a mare against the Reds. He was surprisingly well dominated by his opponent at scrum time, conceding two successive penalties. Jager or maybe Williams could be the bolter on the TH side.
@cgrant said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@cgrant I think there could be a new tighthead prop to replace Taavao and Lomax. I'd pick Newell, but it could be Jager. Next couple of weeks will be interesting there.
The loose forward injuries potentially open up a chance for someone - I previously had 6 spots inked in and a plus one, who could have been capped or uncapped. Now there's likely plus three - with Ioane, Cane, Savea and Sotutu inked in. MMT and Robinson probably the best uncapped chances, since I don't think they'll pick an uncapped 7 unless we lose Cane or Savea.
There's probably at least one spot available in the midfield - I think RTS has the inside running, Sullivan if they're prepared to take two newbies.
And probably one in the outside backs - could go to a fullback (probably Perofeta) or a wing (Leicester, Talea or some other bolter).
Newell had a mare against the Reds. He was surprisingly well dominated by his opponent at scrum time, conceding two successive penalties. Jager or maybe Williams could be the bolter on the TH side.
He did not have a mare. Jager was better than expected but newell looks very promising. There have been a heap of crap props in recent times but some of the youngsters look full of potential.
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I am not expecting any new loose forwards. The question will be which ones from 2021 will miss out. Frizell seems the obvious player, and maybe one other. If Blackadder is out for a while, the decision becomes easier.
There will be some good scrum/prop matchups in the Crusaders-Chiefs game, which could decide a few close calls.
I don't see Moorby close to selection with plenty of fullback cover already in the squad, in addition to JB.
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
I am not expecting any new loose forwards. The question will be which ones from 2021 will miss out. Frizell seems the obvious player, and maybe one other. If Blackadder is out for a while, the decision becomes easier.
There will be some good scrum/prop matchups in the Crusaders-Chiefs game, which could decide a few close calls.
I don't see Moorby close to selection with plenty of fullback cover already in the squad, in addition to JB.
I would be mighty surprised if Frizell misses out, he was best 6 by quite some until he got injured earlier in super this year, and I don't go along with crap he has been given a go an you didn't think he went well at test level, I reckon he ready now. But also think maybe Akira is slowly getting back to looking interested and he has a higher ceiling I think if he gets his head to tell his body to work.
Moorby I would doubt has even beeb mentioned by selection panel, and not even sure why anyone would think he is close, he looks at this stage a quite good super player to me, but nothing amazing, and there's nothing wrong with that. -
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
I am not expecting any new loose forwards. The question will be which ones from 2021 will miss out. Frizell seems the obvious player, and maybe one other. If Blackadder is out for a while, the decision becomes easier.
There will be some good scrum/prop matchups in the Crusaders-Chiefs game, which could decide a few close calls.
I don't see Moorby close to selection with plenty of fullback cover already in the squad, in addition to JB.
I would be mighty surprised if Frizell misses out, he was best 6 by quite some until he got injured earlier in super this year, and I don't go along with crap he has been given a go an you didn't think he went well at test level, I reckon he ready now. But also think maybe Akira is slowly getting back to looking interested and he has a higher ceiling I think if he gets his head to tell his body to work.
Moorby I would doubt has even beeb mentioned by selection panel, and not even sure why anyone would think he is close, he looks at this stage a quite good super player to me, but nothing amazing, and there's nothing wrong with that.@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
I would be mighty surprised if Frizell misses out, he was best 6 by quite some until he got injured earlier in super this year, and I don't go along with crap he has been given a go an you didn't think he went well at test level, I reckon he ready now.
He was erratic in SR. He had a shocker against the Crusaders
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
I would be mighty surprised if Frizell misses out, he was best 6 by quite some until he got injured earlier in super this year, and I don't go along with crap he has been given a go an you didn't think he went well at test level, I reckon he ready now.
He was erratic in SR. He had a shocker against the Crusaders
@Duluth said in All Blacks 2022:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
I would be mighty surprised if Frizell misses out, he was best 6 by quite some until he got injured earlier in super this year, and I don't go along with crap he has been given a go an you didn't think he went well at test level, I reckon he ready now.
He was erratic in SR. He had a shocker against the Crusaders
My opinion was while he was playing he was best 6 in comp, and I not a particular fan of his or anything. he only 6 that carried well in tight situations.
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@Duluth said in All Blacks 2022:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
I would be mighty surprised if Frizell misses out, he was best 6 by quite some until he got injured earlier in super this year, and I don't go along with crap he has been given a go an you didn't think he went well at test level, I reckon he ready now.
He was erratic in SR. He had a shocker against the Crusaders
My opinion was while he was playing he was best 6 in comp, and I not a particular fan of his or anything. he only 6 that carried well in tight situations.
...and he shat the bed vs the Crusaders. If the Highlanders had a competent 6 in that match they probably would have won
Normally he plays like superman in SR and then fails at Test level. This year he didn't even manage that. Yes, he had good games of SR this season but he did not maintain standards
We've seen enough of Shannon. He isn't up to it
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...and he shat the bed vs the Crusaders. If the Highlanders had a competent 6 in that match they probably would have won
Normally he plays like superman in SR and then fails at Test level. This year he didn't even manage that. Yes, he had good games of SR this season but he did not maintain standards
We've seen enough of Shannon. He isn't up to it
@Duluth said in All Blacks 2022:
...and he shat the bed vs the Crusaders. If the Highlanders had a competent 6 in that match they probably would have won
Normally he plays like superman in SR and then fails at Test level. This year he didn't even manage that. Yes, he had good games of SR this season but he did not maintain standards
We've seen enough of Shannon. He isn't up to it
Although I agree with you, I'm happy to bet that he'll be selected, especially with Blackadder out.
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@Duluth said in All Blacks 2022:
...and he shat the bed vs the Crusaders. If the Highlanders had a competent 6 in that match they probably would have won
Normally he plays like superman in SR and then fails at Test level. This year he didn't even manage that. Yes, he had good games of SR this season but he did not maintain standards
We've seen enough of Shannon. He isn't up to it
Although I agree with you, I'm happy to bet that he'll be selected, especially with Blackadder out.
It's possible but it would be a terrible selection. For experience? He's played a moderate number of Tests for very little reward.
In the AB's pattern Tu'u would be a 6 and he's a better option. If he improves his off the ball work he could be a like for like cover for Akira. There's so much more upside to selecting Tu'u
Robinson is also showing good form now he's over his injuries. Even Sowakula would be a better choice
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@Duluth said in All Blacks 2022:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
I would be mighty surprised if Frizell misses out, he was best 6 by quite some until he got injured earlier in super this year, and I don't go along with crap he has been given a go an you didn't think he went well at test level, I reckon he ready now.
He was erratic in SR. He had a shocker against the Crusaders
My opinion was while he was playing he was best 6 in comp, and I not a particular fan of his or anything. he only 6 that carried well in tight situations.
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
@Duluth said in All Blacks 2022:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
I would be mighty surprised if Frizell misses out, he was best 6 by quite some until he got injured earlier in super this year, and I don't go along with crap he has been given a go an you didn't think he went well at test level, I reckon he ready now.
He was erratic in SR. He had a shocker against the Crusaders
My opinion was while he was playing he was best 6 in comp, and I not a particular fan of his or anything. he only 6 that carried well in tight situations.
Despite this comment, I think you're a pretty big fan of his - evidenced by how often you defend him and hype him.
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It's possible but it would be a terrible selection. For experience? He's played a moderate number of Tests for very little reward.
In the AB's pattern Tu'u would be a 6 and he's a better option. If he improves his off the ball work he could be a like for like cover for Akira. There's so much more upside to selecting Tu'u
Robinson is also showing good form now he's over his injuries. Even Sowakula would be a better choice
@Duluth said in All Blacks 2022:
It's possible but it would be a terrible selection. For experience? He's played a moderate number of Tests for very little reward.
In the AB's pattern Tu'u would be a 6 and he's a better option. If he improves his off the ball work he could be a like for like cover for Akira. There's so much more upside to selecting Tu'u
Robinson is also showing good form now he's over his injuries. Even Sowakula would be a better choice
Agreed all around. However I don't think this coaching team will make any of those choices. I hope I'm wrong.
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
I am not expecting any new loose forwards. The question will be which ones from 2021 will miss out. Frizell seems the obvious player, and maybe one other. If Blackadder is out for a while, the decision becomes easier.
There will be some good scrum/prop matchups in the Crusaders-Chiefs game, which could decide a few close calls.
I don't see Moorby close to selection with plenty of fullback cover already in the squad, in addition to JB.
I would be mighty surprised if Frizell misses out, he was best 6 by quite some until he got injured earlier in super this year, and I don't go along with crap he has been given a go an you didn't think he went well at test level, I reckon he ready now. But also think maybe Akira is slowly getting back to looking interested and he has a higher ceiling I think if he gets his head to tell his body to work.
Moorby I would doubt has even beeb mentioned by selection panel, and not even sure why anyone would think he is close, he looks at this stage a quite good super player to me, but nothing amazing, and there's nothing wrong with that.@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
I would be mighty surprised if Frizell misses out, he was best 6 by quite some until he got injured earlier in super this year, and I don't go along with crap he has been given a go an you didn't think he went well at test level,
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Have they said how long Papalií will be out?
When Ennor had appendicitis last year they said about 5 weeks, so I presume about the same - which would make him available for tests 2 & 3 vs Ireland.
So assuming Ethan won't be available, maybe there's two slots up for grabs probably between Jacobson, Frizell, MMT, Robinson and Grace. Anyone else that might be in the picture? Maybe Harmon if they decided they needed another specialist 7?
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Have they said how long Papalií will be out?
When Ennor had appendicitis last year they said about 5 weeks, so I presume about the same - which would make him available for tests 2 & 3 vs Ireland.
So assuming Ethan won't be available, maybe there's two slots up for grabs probably between Jacobson, Frizell, MMT, Robinson and Grace. Anyone else that might be in the picture? Maybe Harmon if they decided they needed another specialist 7?
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
@Duluth said in All Blacks 2022:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
I would be mighty surprised if Frizell misses out, he was best 6 by quite some until he got injured earlier in super this year, and I don't go along with crap he has been given a go an you didn't think he went well at test level, I reckon he ready now.
He was erratic in SR. He had a shocker against the Crusaders
My opinion was while he was playing he was best 6 in comp, and I not a particular fan of his or anything. he only 6 that carried well in tight situations.
Despite this comment, I think you're a pretty big fan of his - evidenced by how often you defend him and hype him.
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2022:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
@Duluth said in All Blacks 2022:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
I would be mighty surprised if Frizell misses out, he was best 6 by quite some until he got injured earlier in super this year, and I don't go along with crap he has been given a go an you didn't think he went well at test level, I reckon he ready now.
He was erratic in SR. He had a shocker against the Crusaders
My opinion was while he was playing he was best 6 in comp, and I not a particular fan of his or anything. he only 6 that carried well in tight situations.
Despite this comment, I think you're a pretty big fan of his - evidenced by how often you defend him and hype him.
One thing I enjoy in forums who know how I think without even knowing me, must be great to be such a know all. I don't defend him, but thought at begiining of season he was best No 6, I have also said I think Akira is looking like he has it in him to be the better No 6, despite never being a fan of his, but of course I never actually got your opinion to tell me if I was or not. I genuinely believe that a lot of players improve and as an AB supporter, I want them to improve and am happy when they do. I have a bit of a rule that I try not to judge on what was and judge on what hopefully will be!
I will add Akira has been selcted at super and test level for very little reward, but as I said that was in past and believe he has high ceiling when he puts in effort -
anyone see anything on TUJ's injury?
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2022:
anyone see anything on TUJ's injury?
Unforunately fot TUJ, regardless of state of injury I doubt whether he has actually been on field to get selected as a newbie? May well do in future ,but may need to put together a few games in a row.
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@Chris-B Liam Napier reported it's not as bad as first feared and Dalton is a chance for the first test.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris-B Liam Napier reported it's not as bad as first feared and Dalton is a chance for the first test.
I won't be real surprised to see him get on at 6 sometime this season.
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@Nepia said in All Blacks 2022:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
@Duluth said in All Blacks 2022:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
I would be mighty surprised if Frizell misses out, he was best 6 by quite some until he got injured earlier in super this year, and I don't go along with crap he has been given a go an you didn't think he went well at test level, I reckon he ready now.
He was erratic in SR. He had a shocker against the Crusaders
My opinion was while he was playing he was best 6 in comp, and I not a particular fan of his or anything. he only 6 that carried well in tight situations.
Despite this comment, I think you're a pretty big fan of his - evidenced by how often you defend him and hype him.
One thing I enjoy in forums who know how I think without even knowing me, must be great to be such a know all. I don't defend him, but thought at begiining of season he was best No 6, I have also said I think Akira is looking like he has it in him to be the better No 6, despite never being a fan of his, but of course I never actually got your opinion to tell me if I was or not. I genuinely believe that a lot of players improve and as an AB supporter, I want them to improve and am happy when they do. I have a bit of a rule that I try not to judge on what was and judge on what hopefully will be!
I will add Akira has been selcted at super and test level for very little reward, but as I said that was in past and believe he has high ceiling when he puts in effort@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
I will add Akira has been selcted at super and test level for very little reward, but as I said that was in past and believe he has high ceiling when he puts in effort
Ok this argument I simply do not get.
His first test against Aus in Brisbane he was excellent for 20 minutes before having to come off which in hindsight was a mistake (Ofa got red-carded).
His second test he had an absolute blinder vs Argentina
Last year he was outstanding in the Bledisloes before struggling vs the Boks.
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2022:
anyone see anything on TUJ's injury?
Unforunately fot TUJ, regardless of state of injury I doubt whether he has actually been on field to get selected as a newbie? May well do in future ,but may need to put together a few games in a row.
