All Blacks 2022
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@broughie said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@broughie said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris-B I didn’t really care if we lose as long as we are moving in the right direction. It’s not happening under Fozzy though.
To be fair, we haven't seen Fozzie's team this year yet - and me second-guessing what he's thinking is quite a bit different to what he's really thinking.
I think we're making some progress in the right direction. I'm of the opinion that we were probably running out of gas by the time we hit Ireland and France last year, so this series will be a good indicator of whether that's true - or if we've really fallen behind.
I hope we don't lose any more key players in the next couple of weeks.
@Chris-B True and Fozzie might land on his feet but he is still crap. Sorry but I have never appreciated his abilities. As mariner said he hoped we lose in a perverse way because it will be the final nail in Fozzies coffin.
i did?
@mariner4life maybe I misread this:
a perverse part of me wants them to go in to the first test with all of Bridge at 11, Goodhue and Havili midfield, Blackadder at 6, Reiko the bench as excellent cover/impact, Laulala to start,
just for the epic melts (of which i will gleefully partake myself) -
@mariner4life maybe I misread this:
a perverse part of me wants them to go in to the first test with all of Bridge at 11, Goodhue and Havili midfield, Blackadder at 6, Reiko the bench as excellent cover/impact, Laulala to start,
just for the epic melts (of which i will gleefully partake myself)@broughie said in All Blacks 2022:
@mariner4life maybe I misread this:
a perverse part of me wants them to go in to the first test with all of Bridge at 11, Goodhue and Havili midfield, Blackadder at 6, Reiko the bench as excellent cover/impact, Laulala to start,
just for the epic melts (of which i will gleefully partake myself)definitely says i want them to lose. look, right there in black and white
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
guess I showing my age, can't remember what I posted 5 minutes before
There's no hope for remembering previous test level performances by AB 6s then eh...
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
guess I showing my age, can't remember what I posted 5 minutes before
There's no hope for remembering previous test level performances by AB 6s then eh...
Mate ask my missus, I can remember details of games from 70s etc that I watched, how players went, but not what she asked me to do 5 minutes ago, and what is posted on internet by myself or anyone else is of so little importance, it struggles to stay in my memory, and I admit that. I can remember what mates I go to rugby say from years back, but I guess it's because I know they rugby men?? I don't know anyone on here!
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@cgrant said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@cgrant I think there could be a new tighthead prop to replace Taavao and Lomax. I'd pick Newell, but it could be Jager. Next couple of weeks will be interesting there.
The loose forward injuries potentially open up a chance for someone - I previously had 6 spots inked in and a plus one, who could have been capped or uncapped. Now there's likely plus three - with Ioane, Cane, Savea and Sotutu inked in. MMT and Robinson probably the best uncapped chances, since I don't think they'll pick an uncapped 7 unless we lose Cane or Savea.
There's probably at least one spot available in the midfield - I think RTS has the inside running, Sullivan if they're prepared to take two newbies.
And probably one in the outside backs - could go to a fullback (probably Perofeta) or a wing (Leicester, Talea or some other bolter).
Newell had a mare against the Reds. He was surprisingly well dominated by his opponent at scrum time, conceding two successive penalties. Jager or maybe Williams could be the bolter on the TH side.
He did not have a mare. Jager was better than expected but newell looks very promising. There have been a heap of crap props in recent times but some of the youngsters look full of potential.
@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks 2022:
@cgrant said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@cgrant I think there could be a new tighthead prop to replace Taavao and Lomax. I'd pick Newell, but it could be Jager. Next couple of weeks will be interesting there.
The loose forward injuries potentially open up a chance for someone - I previously had 6 spots inked in and a plus one, who could have been capped or uncapped. Now there's likely plus three - with Ioane, Cane, Savea and Sotutu inked in. MMT and Robinson probably the best uncapped chances, since I don't think they'll pick an uncapped 7 unless we lose Cane or Savea.
There's probably at least one spot available in the midfield - I think RTS has the inside running, Sullivan if they're prepared to take two newbies.
And probably one in the outside backs - could go to a fullback (probably Perofeta) or a wing (Leicester, Talea or some other bolter).
Newell had a mare against the Reds. He was surprisingly well dominated by his opponent at scrum time, conceding two successive penalties. Jager or maybe Williams could be the bolter on the TH side.
He did not have a mare. Jager was better than expected but newell looks very promising. There have been a heap of crap props in recent times but some of the youngsters look full of potential.
He is very promising but I maintain he had a mare against the Reds. It's a bit too early for him IMO. He should be in the squad next year or for the EOYT.
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
and in super has really only played well last couple of seasons,
Huh, you have real Akira blinkers, he was carving up at Super level at least as far back as 2018. He was the Blues MVP that year.
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
and in super has really only played well last couple of seasons,
Huh, you have real Akira blinkers, he was carving up at Super level at least as far back as 2018. He was the Blues MVP that year.
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2022:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
and in super has really only played well last couple of seasons,
Huh, you have real Akira blinkers, he was carving up at Super level at least as far back as 2018. He was the Blues MVP that year.
If you go up this thread, you see he was probably as influential (or more) than Ardie for defenders beaten etc in the black jersey too. He had a bad game against the Boks, but almost everyone did.
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@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks 2022:
@cgrant said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@cgrant I think there could be a new tighthead prop to replace Taavao and Lomax. I'd pick Newell, but it could be Jager. Next couple of weeks will be interesting there.
The loose forward injuries potentially open up a chance for someone - I previously had 6 spots inked in and a plus one, who could have been capped or uncapped. Now there's likely plus three - with Ioane, Cane, Savea and Sotutu inked in. MMT and Robinson probably the best uncapped chances, since I don't think they'll pick an uncapped 7 unless we lose Cane or Savea.
There's probably at least one spot available in the midfield - I think RTS has the inside running, Sullivan if they're prepared to take two newbies.
And probably one in the outside backs - could go to a fullback (probably Perofeta) or a wing (Leicester, Talea or some other bolter).
Newell had a mare against the Reds. He was surprisingly well dominated by his opponent at scrum time, conceding two successive penalties. Jager or maybe Williams could be the bolter on the TH side.
He did not have a mare. Jager was better than expected but newell looks very promising. There have been a heap of crap props in recent times but some of the youngsters look full of potential.
He is very promising but I maintain he had a mare against the Reds. It's a bit too early for him IMO. He should be in the squad next year or for the EOYT.
@cgrant said in All Blacks 2022:
@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks 2022:
@cgrant said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@cgrant I think there could be a new tighthead prop to replace Taavao and Lomax. I'd pick Newell, but it could be Jager. Next couple of weeks will be interesting there.
The loose forward injuries potentially open up a chance for someone - I previously had 6 spots inked in and a plus one, who could have been capped or uncapped. Now there's likely plus three - with Ioane, Cane, Savea and Sotutu inked in. MMT and Robinson probably the best uncapped chances, since I don't think they'll pick an uncapped 7 unless we lose Cane or Savea.
There's probably at least one spot available in the midfield - I think RTS has the inside running, Sullivan if they're prepared to take two newbies.
And probably one in the outside backs - could go to a fullback (probably Perofeta) or a wing (Leicester, Talea or some other bolter).
Newell had a mare against the Reds. He was surprisingly well dominated by his opponent at scrum time, conceding two successive penalties. Jager or maybe Williams could be the bolter on the TH side.
He did not have a mare. Jager was better than expected but newell looks very promising. There have been a heap of crap props in recent times but some of the youngsters look full of potential.
He is very promising but I maintain he had a mare against the Reds. It's a bit too early for him IMO. He should be in the squad next year or for the EOYT.
I can’t see the mare he had,the Crusaders dominated the Reds scrum in both halves of the game .
The two penalties you are talking about was a slip and the other was against Williams both given by a complete idiot in Pickerall who wouldn’t have a clue what he was looking at in the front row. -
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
and in super has really only played well last couple of seasons,
Huh, you have real Akira blinkers, he was carving up at Super level at least as far back as 2018. He was the Blues MVP that year.
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2022:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
and in super has really only played well last couple of seasons,
Huh, you have real Akira blinkers, he was carving up at Super level at least as far back as 2018. He was the Blues MVP that year.
Bullshit maybe 2018, but he hardly carved anything up in 2017, that was when the likes of Buck etc were saying we know he can be great, when he ups his workrate. Isn't 2019 the year he was sitting in the stands chowing down in pies because he struggled to get on the bench, I remember because I got on his wagon thinking he was going to be really good, and it was almost he was trying to prove me wrong, he did very little in super. He carved up at NPC, but not super. He has done that last 2-3 years only really and not consistently, same as test rugby one or two tests he looks like he breaking out and been great, but not really stamped his name in it as yet. I still hope and think he will, he just needs to remember when he has a good one what he does and repeat it. Mate there is no way I against him, like every player with high ability (well NZ ones) I want them to flourish!!
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
Anyway who are the hookers is as straight forward as Taukeiaho, Taylor and Aumua?
Coles or Eklund over Aumua.
@Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
Anyway who are the hookers is as straight forward as Taukeiaho, Taylor and Aumua?
Coles or Eklund over Aumua.
Yep, I would think Coles, I doubt whether Eklund will make it somehow. I just thought they may go for a younger one than Coles as how he will go next year?
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@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks 2022:
@cgrant said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@cgrant I think there could be a new tighthead prop to replace Taavao and Lomax. I'd pick Newell, but it could be Jager. Next couple of weeks will be interesting there.
The loose forward injuries potentially open up a chance for someone - I previously had 6 spots inked in and a plus one, who could have been capped or uncapped. Now there's likely plus three - with Ioane, Cane, Savea and Sotutu inked in. MMT and Robinson probably the best uncapped chances, since I don't think they'll pick an uncapped 7 unless we lose Cane or Savea.
There's probably at least one spot available in the midfield - I think RTS has the inside running, Sullivan if they're prepared to take two newbies.
And probably one in the outside backs - could go to a fullback (probably Perofeta) or a wing (Leicester, Talea or some other bolter).
Newell had a mare against the Reds. He was surprisingly well dominated by his opponent at scrum time, conceding two successive penalties. Jager or maybe Williams could be the bolter on the TH side.
He did not have a mare. Jager was better than expected but newell looks very promising. There have been a heap of crap props in recent times but some of the youngsters look full of potential.
He is very promising but I maintain he had a mare against the Reds. It's a bit too early for him IMO. He should be in the squad next year or for the EOYT.
@cgrant said in All Blacks 2022:
@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks 2022:
@cgrant said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@cgrant I think there could be a new tighthead prop to replace Taavao and Lomax. I'd pick Newell, but it could be Jager. Next couple of weeks will be interesting there.
The loose forward injuries potentially open up a chance for someone - I previously had 6 spots inked in and a plus one, who could have been capped or uncapped. Now there's likely plus three - with Ioane, Cane, Savea and Sotutu inked in. MMT and Robinson probably the best uncapped chances, since I don't think they'll pick an uncapped 7 unless we lose Cane or Savea.
There's probably at least one spot available in the midfield - I think RTS has the inside running, Sullivan if they're prepared to take two newbies.
And probably one in the outside backs - could go to a fullback (probably Perofeta) or a wing (Leicester, Talea or some other bolter).
Newell had a mare against the Reds. He was surprisingly well dominated by his opponent at scrum time, conceding two successive penalties. Jager or maybe Williams could be the bolter on the TH side.
He did not have a mare. Jager was better than expected but newell looks very promising. There have been a heap of crap props in recent times but some of the youngsters look full of potential.
He is very promising but I maintain he had a mare against the Reds. It's a bit too early for him IMO. He should be in the squad next year or for the EOYT.
Was it you that said he had a mare against the Reds because he was pinged twice in a row by the ref? Do we know the ref got those calls right? I admit I know nothing about the front row but is basing a player's performance on a ref's interpretation fair, especially given said ref has a knack for making questionable decisions at times?
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
I will add Akira has been selcted at super and test level for very little reward, but as I said that was in past and believe he has high ceiling when he puts in effort
Ok this argument I simply do not get.
His first test against Aus in Brisbane he was excellent for 20 minutes before having to come off which in hindsight was a mistake (Ofa got red-carded).
His second test he had an absolute blinder vs Argentina
Last year he was outstanding in the Bledisloes before struggling vs the Boks.
Yep to be fair, Akira has been good against Aussie, and in super has really only played well last couple of seasons, up until then he killed it at NPC level, even his own coaches were publicly saying he needed to work harder. I still maintain he has a higher ceiling than most of our 6s, and he will show it against the big packs one day, and then will I think be right.
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
I will add Akira has been selcted at super and test level for very little reward, but as I said that was in past and believe he has high ceiling when he puts in effort
Ok this argument I simply do not get.
His first test against Aus in Brisbane he was excellent for 20 minutes before having to come off which in hindsight was a mistake (Ofa got red-carded).
His second test he had an absolute blinder vs Argentina
Last year he was outstanding in the Bledisloes before struggling vs the Boks.
Yep to be fair, Akira has been good against Aussie, and in super has really only played well last couple of seasons, up until then he killed it at NPC level, even his own coaches were publicly saying he needed to work harder. I still maintain he has a higher ceiling than most of our 6s, and he will show it against the big packs one day, and then will I think be right.
Will Genia, when interviewed, noted that Akira’s physical presence made him the NZ Loosie which Aussie sides were wary of.
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The seven loosies are the most interesting.
Assuming all fit, Cane, Ardie and Paps cover seven.
For a roaming 8, Ardie and Sotutu fit the bill, with latter tops in lineout, which oughtn’t to be forgotten.
Physical 6/8s start IMO with Akira. The next straightforward pick is Frizell, but for me he’s one of those players who looks very good in Super and against ‘B’ test sides, but ordinary at highest level.
I’d rather give one or both of MMT or Pita Gus a run at 6, with flexibility to play 8.If only two big 6s chosen the door is opened for Jacobson, who looks good at 7 and 8, and OK at 6, even if a little less physical.
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@cgrant said in All Blacks 2022:
@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks 2022:
@cgrant said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@cgrant I think there could be a new tighthead prop to replace Taavao and Lomax. I'd pick Newell, but it could be Jager. Next couple of weeks will be interesting there.
The loose forward injuries potentially open up a chance for someone - I previously had 6 spots inked in and a plus one, who could have been capped or uncapped. Now there's likely plus three - with Ioane, Cane, Savea and Sotutu inked in. MMT and Robinson probably the best uncapped chances, since I don't think they'll pick an uncapped 7 unless we lose Cane or Savea.
There's probably at least one spot available in the midfield - I think RTS has the inside running, Sullivan if they're prepared to take two newbies.
And probably one in the outside backs - could go to a fullback (probably Perofeta) or a wing (Leicester, Talea or some other bolter).
Newell had a mare against the Reds. He was surprisingly well dominated by his opponent at scrum time, conceding two successive penalties. Jager or maybe Williams could be the bolter on the TH side.
He did not have a mare. Jager was better than expected but newell looks very promising. There have been a heap of crap props in recent times but some of the youngsters look full of potential.
He is very promising but I maintain he had a mare against the Reds. It's a bit too early for him IMO. He should be in the squad next year or for the EOYT.
Was it you that said he had a mare against the Reds because he was pinged twice in a row by the ref? Do we know the ref got those calls right? I admit I know nothing about the front row but is basing a player's performance on a ref's interpretation fair, especially given said ref has a knack for making questionable decisions at times?
@Crazy-Horse He was rightly pinged twice against a journeyman, not against a scrum ace. I was among those who thought that he should be selected for this winter's squad but his last outings were rather meh. His form has slipped sensibly. This is why Ryan is giving his preference to Jager. Currently ... but things may change.
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I do like Hall though.
He talks about the other halfbacks really well; it must be hard to not get a mention and he might even get pushed out of the Maori team.
I feel sorry for him that he didn’t get a cap against Japan.
@gt12 when it comes to the Crusaders Hall never gives a sound objective opinion. Cullen Grace is nowhere near his 2020 form. If he plugged MMT I would agree with him, PGS form has dropped he was good in the middle of Super but his for has declined as the season has progressed. As a halfback he is not in the same league as Fakatava, Christie or even Webber.
