All Blacks 2022
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
His distribution is a work on.
Like all of it though? What's he lacking in that area? A stat often thrown out about him is him having the last pass before a try is scored, so he must be distributing pretty damn well in some capacity? Or he's hungus but lazy
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
His distribution is a work on.
Like all of it though? What's he lacking in that area? A stat often thrown out about him is him having the last pass before a try is scored, so he must be distributing pretty damn well in some capacity? Or he's hungus but lazy
Christ - you're going to draw me into "Ioane Wars".
In a way, all of it is a work on. I don't think he's a world class distributor - probably runs too far too often. Not the most accurate passer.
For those backing ALB, I think this is where his edge lies.
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@Nepia said in All Blacks 2022:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
@Tim said in All Blacks 2022:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
Jordie, Jordan and Reece
No power-wing, no thanks.
I’d still prefer Ioane on the wing but it looks as if centre is his gig.
Why on earth would you want the best centre in New Zealand to play on the wing?
His impact on the wing at test level speaks for itself.
Tana was a pretty good winger too. What a ridiculous argument. Players evolve and he's clearly the best centre in New Zealand. By an order of magnitude.
Instead let's select obviously inferior players and then complain Rieko's at fault for not looking for work because the donkeys inside him can't get him the ball often enough.
Feel free to call me a moron, and I'm perfectly happy to have him at centre (and I've never complained when the ball hasn't gone his way like in some test matches, in fact I think I've highlight when they haven't fed the ball to him), I just think with a fit (and obviously in form) ALB at centre feeding him the ball in space out wide that he's a bloody weapon there as well.
I see that as a different argument. That if there were a compelling alternative such as a fit and in form ALB, he could play centre and Rieko on the wing, but the issue is Rieko at centre and the best form left winger is better than the alternative.
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2022:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
@Tim said in All Blacks 2022:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
Jordie, Jordan and Reece
No power-wing, no thanks.
I’d still prefer Ioane on the wing but it looks as if centre is his gig.
Why on earth would you want the best centre in New Zealand to play on the wing?
His impact on the wing at test level speaks for itself.
Tana was a pretty good winger too. What a ridiculous argument. Players evolve and he's clearly the best centre in New Zealand. By an order of magnitude.
Instead let's select obviously inferior players and then complain Rieko's at fault for not looking for work because the donkeys inside him can't get him the ball often enough.
Feel free to call me a moron, and I'm perfectly happy to have him at centre (and I've never complained when the ball hasn't gone his way like in some test matches, in fact I think I've highlight when they haven't fed the ball to him), I just think with a fit (and obviously in form) ALB at centre feeding him the ball in space out wide that he's a bloody weapon there as well.
I see that as a different argument. That if there were a compelling alternative such as a fit and in form ALB, he could play centre and Rieko on the wing, but the issue is Rieko at centre and the best form left winger is better than the alternative.
Ok sweet, I'm in agreement 100%.
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
His distribution is a work on.
Like all of it though? What's he lacking in that area? A stat often thrown out about him is him having the last pass before a try is scored, so he must be distributing pretty damn well in some capacity? Or he's hungus but lazy
Christ - you're going to draw me into "Ioane Wars".
In a way, all of it is a work on. I don't think he's a world class distributor - probably runs too far too often. Not the most accurate passer.
For those backing ALB, I think this is where his edge lies.
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
His distribution is a work on.
Like all of it though? What's he lacking in that area? A stat often thrown out about him is him having the last pass before a try is scored, so he must be distributing pretty damn well in some capacity? Or he's hungus but lazy
Christ - you're going to draw me into "Ioane Wars".
In a way, all of it is a work on. I don't think he's a world class distributor - probably runs too far too often. Not the most accurate passer.
For those backing ALB, I think this is where his edge lies.
Not having a go! I just don't see what you see in that regard. Both his short and long passing game seem pretty accurate to me, so yeah just wondering what I'm not seeing.
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
His distribution is a work on.
Like all of it though? What's he lacking in that area? A stat often thrown out about him is him having the last pass before a try is scored, so he must be distributing pretty damn well in some capacity? Or he's hungus but lazy
Christ - you're going to draw me into "Ioane Wars".
In a way, all of it is a work on. I don't think he's a world class distributor - probably runs too far too often. Not the most accurate passer.
For those backing ALB, I think this is where his edge lies.
Not having a go! I just don't see what you see in that regard. Both his short and long passing game seem pretty accurate to me, so yeah just wondering what I'm not seeing.
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@Bones No worries.
I'm just conscious that whatever you say about the Ioanes on this board - or their competitors - likely gets blown out of all proportion.
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bones No worries.
I'm just conscious that whatever you say about the Ioanes on this board - or their competitors - likely gets blown out of all proportion.
I still hate the Ioanes because I once commented that Akira seemed a bit slow chasing in defence and pondered if he was carrying an injury.
No idea what you're talking about.
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
Seems I in the shit from a few people who don't think you have to agree with them 100%
Nah, it's that you are pushing the case for a guy who has had a ton of chances (four fuckin years in the ABs) at test level and has been 100% reliable in failing to deliver.
@Frank said in All Blacks 2022:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
Seems I in the shit from a few people who don't think you have to agree with them 100%
Nah, it's that you are pushing the case for a guy who has had a ton of chances (four fuckin years in the ABs) at test level and has been 100% reliable in failing to deliver.
Yeah, I only suggest players who have gone well this year,are worth looking at. Guess if we follow your advice we will pick players on past performances, and not if they still on form.
But as I sadi we all have different ways at looking at it, so no probs. -
I'm not sold that in 2022 Rieko is a better winger than centre.
Rieko's not the best under the high ball (he's decent at it but he's had some issues too) and he's getting better and better at centre.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
I'm not sold that in 2022 Rieko is a better winger than centre.
Rieko's not the best under the high ball (he's decent at it but he's had some issues too) and he's getting better and better at centre.
Foster said he and Reiko had a disagreement, Foster reckoned Reiko was a wing who could play centre, and Reiko reckoned he was a centre that could play centre. Foster says he now thinks maybe Reiko was right.
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Can't believe people are pumping for a guy who can't even do his post try ball punch properly, is that even the kind of guy we want?
If you are gonna score a try, either walk back like it ain't no thing or get your celebration right, an embarrassing airshot like that has no place on a rugby field, NO PLACE I TELLS YA!
Better off not scoring at all if you can't get it right after...sheesh, the embarrassment
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Can't believe people are pumping for a guy who can't even do his post try ball punch properly, is that even the kind of guy we want?
If you are gonna score a try, either walk back like it ain't no thing or get your celebration right, an embarrassing airshot like that has no place on a rugby field, NO PLACE I TELLS YA!
Better off not scoring at all if you can't get it right after...sheesh, the embarrassment
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:
Can't believe people are pumping for a guy who can't even do his post try ball punch properly, is that even the kind of guy we want?
If you are gonna score a try, either walk back like it ain't no thing or get your celebration right, an embarrassing airshot like that has no place on a rugby field, NO PLACE I TELLS YA!
Better off not scoring at all if you can't get it right after...sheesh, the embarrassment
Not to mention people with no link to the Mako doing the "Fins up"!
Begging for us to buy them!!!
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@pakman said in All Blacks 2022:
Would be good to see apprentices again this year. For example, Newell and Lord would do well from exposure.
He's kinda graduated from that rung fella....
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@pakman said in All Blacks 2022:
Would be good to see apprentices again this year. For example, Newell and Lord would do well from exposure.
He's kinda graduated from that rung fella....
Watch who you call a tautologist, fella!
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
His distribution is a work on.
Like all of it though? What's he lacking in that area? A stat often thrown out about him is him having the last pass before a try is scored, so he must be distributing pretty damn well in some capacity? Or he's hungus but lazy
Christ - you're going to draw me into "Ioane Wars".
In a way, all of it is a work on. I don't think he's a world class distributor - probably runs too far too often. Not the most accurate passer.
For those backing ALB, I think this is where his edge lies.
Not having a go! I just don't see what you see in that regard. Both his short and long passing game seem pretty accurate to me, so yeah just wondering what I'm not seeing.
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
His distribution is a work on.
Like all of it though? What's he lacking in that area? A stat often thrown out about him is him having the last pass before a try is scored, so he must be distributing pretty damn well in some capacity? Or he's hungus but lazy
Christ - you're going to draw me into "Ioane Wars".
In a way, all of it is a work on. I don't think he's a world class distributor - probably runs too far too often. Not the most accurate passer.
For those backing ALB, I think this is where his edge lies.
Not having a go! I just don't see what you see in that regard. Both his short and long passing game seem pretty accurate to me, so yeah just wondering what I'm not seeing.
Sometimes Rieko seems to be poor at knowing WHEN to pass and when not to.
Contrast with Hoskins (down the edge vs Clan) who thought about the 30:70 ball, but knew better, took contact and we scored two or three phases later.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph the depends on the role you see for the 23 jersey. If it's purely having a back up if someone goes down, thrn yeah I guess.
But if it's actually for impact late, then no.
If the back 3 is Jordie, Jordan and Reece, I’d give the 23 jersey to someone like Caleb Clarke or a bolter like Fainganuku or RTS.
If all of Beaudie, Mo’unga and Jordie are in the 23 then you don’t need a guy like Havili
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph the depends on the role you see for the 23 jersey. If it's purely having a back up if someone goes down, thrn yeah I guess.
But if it's actually for impact late, then no.
If the back 3 is Jordie, Jordan and Reece, I’d give the 23 jersey to someone like Caleb Clarke or a bolter like Fainganuku or RTS.
If all of Beaudie, Mo’unga and Jordie are in the 23 then you don’t need a guy like Havili
Generally agree, but there is a logic in having DH in the 23 for the 1st Test as a safe option. Def. be good to have a bolter or two in the later ones.
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2022:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
and in super has really only played well last couple of seasons,
Huh, you have real Akira blinkers, he was carving up at Super level at least as far back as 2018. He was the Blues MVP that year.
Bullshit maybe 2018, but he hardly carved anything up in 2017, that was when the likes of Buck etc were saying we know he can be great, when he ups his workrate. Isn't 2019 the year he was sitting in the stands chowing down in pies because he struggled to get on the bench, I remember because I got on his wagon thinking he was going to be really good, and it was almost he was trying to prove me wrong, he did very little in super. He carved up at NPC, but not super. He has done that last 2-3 years only really and not consistently, same as test rugby one or two tests he looks like he breaking out and been great, but not really stamped his name in it as yet. I still hope and think he will, he just needs to remember when he has a good one what he does and repeat it. Mate there is no way I against him, like every player with high ability (well NZ ones) I want them to flourish!!
He played every Blues match in 2019 in a year where he admitted he was struggling mentally.
And "maybe 2018" - the Blues decided he was their best player that year and you're willing to concede maybe.
You're really not doing anything to convince that you don't have Akira blinkers especially when you continually push Frizell's case when there's no argument against him being a flop so far at test level.
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2022:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2022:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
and in super has really only played well last couple of seasons,
Huh, you have real Akira blinkers, he was carving up at Super level at least as far back as 2018. He was the Blues MVP that year.
Bullshit maybe 2018, but he hardly carved anything up in 2017, that was when the likes of Buck etc were saying we know he can be great, when he ups his workrate. Isn't 2019 the year he was sitting in the stands chowing down in pies because he struggled to get on the bench, I remember because I got on his wagon thinking he was going to be really good, and it was almost he was trying to prove me wrong, he did very little in super. He carved up at NPC, but not super. He has done that last 2-3 years only really and not consistently, same as test rugby one or two tests he looks like he breaking out and been great, but not really stamped his name in it as yet. I still hope and think he will, he just needs to remember when he has a good one what he does and repeat it. Mate there is no way I against him, like every player with high ability (well NZ ones) I want them to flourish!!
He played every Blues match in 2019 in a year where he admitted he was struggling mentally.
And "maybe 2018" - the Blues decided he was their best player that year and you're willing to concede maybe.
You're really not doing anything to convince that you don't have Akira blinkers especially when you continually push Frizell's case when there's no argument against him being a flop so far at test level.
Akira made a real big improvement last year after Foster showed some confidence in him. He faded a bit as the year went on, but he wasn't the only one.
I think he needs to kick-on again this year and really nail down the 6 slot. That would be bloody great.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
just to be clear; anyone who thinks the All Blacks are better served by Rieko Ioane on the wing rather than centre is a fucking moron
absolutely all of this. Reiko at 13 is already our most dangerous weapon
Fuck could you imagine him playing 13 outside Nonu?
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2022:
Fuck could you imagine him playing 13 outside Nonu?
He'd almost be as good as Conrad? :smiling_face_with_sunglasses:
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@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
@Tim said in All Blacks 2022:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
Jordie, Jordan and Reece
No power-wing, no thanks.
I’d still prefer Ioane on the wing but it looks as if centre is his gig.
Why on earth would you want the best centre in New Zealand to play on the wing?
Because he's probably the best wing in NZ (if he was playing wing and George Bridge is injured). If ALB wasn't injured I'd prefer him on the wing.
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2022:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
@Tim said in All Blacks 2022:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
Jordie, Jordan and Reece
No power-wing, no thanks.
I’d still prefer Ioane on the wing but it looks as if centre is his gig.
Why on earth would you want the best centre in New Zealand to play on the wing?
Because he's probably the best wing in NZ (if he was playing wing and George Bridge is injured). If ALB wasn't injured I'd prefer him on the wing.
Maybe. But Reiko is the best option at 13, plays his rugby there and Foster has invested in his transition to that position at Test level quite well.
I think he's as nailed-on there as any other player in the team
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
His distribution is a work on.
Like all of it though? What's he lacking in that area? A stat often thrown out about him is him having the last pass before a try is scored, so he must be distributing pretty damn well in some capacity? Or he's hungus but lazy
Christ - you're going to draw me into "Ioane Wars".
In a way, all of it is a work on. I don't think he's a world class distributor - probably runs too far too often. Not the most accurate passer.
For those backing ALB, I think this is where his edge lies.
Not having a go! I just don't see what you see in that regard. Both his short and long passing game seem pretty accurate to me, so yeah just wondering what I'm not seeing.
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
His distribution is a work on.
Like all of it though? What's he lacking in that area? A stat often thrown out about him is him having the last pass before a try is scored, so he must be distributing pretty damn well in some capacity? Or he's hungus but lazy
Christ - you're going to draw me into "Ioane Wars".
In a way, all of it is a work on. I don't think he's a world class distributor - probably runs too far too often. Not the most accurate passer.
For those backing ALB, I think this is where his edge lies.
Not having a go! I just don't see what you see in that regard. Both his short and long passing game seem pretty accurate to me, so yeah just wondering what I'm not seeing.
Tend to agree. He's improved at Super level and there's no reason he can't demonstrate that at Test level. He's not new to 13 at Test level as Foster has given him experience there and Reiko's confidence (which was shot in 2019) is back big-time.
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
His distribution is a work on.
Like all of it though? What's he lacking in that area? A stat often thrown out about him is him having the last pass before a try is scored, so he must be distributing pretty damn well in some capacity? Or he's hungus but lazy
Christ - you're going to draw me into "Ioane Wars".
In a way, all of it is a work on. I don't think he's a world class distributor - probably runs too far too often. Not the most accurate passer.
For those backing ALB, I think this is where his edge lies.
Not having a go! I just don't see what you see in that regard. Both his short and long passing game seem pretty accurate to me, so yeah just wondering what I'm not seeing.
Tend to agree. He's improved at Super level and there's no reason he can't demonstrate that at Test level. He's not new to 13 at Test level as Foster has given him experience there and Reiko's confidence (which was shot in 2019) is back big-time.
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
His distribution is a work on.
Like all of it though? What's he lacking in that area? A stat often thrown out about him is him having the last pass before a try is scored, so he must be distributing pretty damn well in some capacity? Or he's hungus but lazy
Christ - you're going to draw me into "Ioane Wars".
In a way, all of it is a work on. I don't think he's a world class distributor - probably runs too far too often. Not the most accurate passer.
For those backing ALB, I think this is where his edge lies.
Not having a go! I just don't see what you see in that regard. Both his short and long passing game seem pretty accurate to me, so yeah just wondering what I'm not seeing.
Tend to agree. He's improved at Super level and there's no reason he can't demonstrate that at Test level. He's not new to 13 at Test level as Foster has given him experience there and Reiko's confidence (which was shot in 2019) is back big-time.
It won't be after a test season outside the evergreen Tupaea
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
His distribution is a work on.
Like all of it though? What's he lacking in that area? A stat often thrown out about him is him having the last pass before a try is scored, so he must be distributing pretty damn well in some capacity? Or he's hungus but lazy
Christ - you're going to draw me into "Ioane Wars".
In a way, all of it is a work on. I don't think he's a world class distributor - probably runs too far too often. Not the most accurate passer.
For those backing ALB, I think this is where his edge lies.
Not having a go! I just don't see what you see in that regard. Both his short and long passing game seem pretty accurate to me, so yeah just wondering what I'm not seeing.
Tend to agree. He's improved at Super level and there's no reason he can't demonstrate that at Test level. He's not new to 13 at Test level as Foster has given him experience there and Reiko's confidence (which was shot in 2019) is back big-time.
It won't be after a test season outside the evergreen Tupaea
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
His distribution is a work on.
Like all of it though? What's he lacking in that area? A stat often thrown out about him is him having the last pass before a try is scored, so he must be distributing pretty damn well in some capacity? Or he's hungus but lazy
Christ - you're going to draw me into "Ioane Wars".
In a way, all of it is a work on. I don't think he's a world class distributor - probably runs too far too often. Not the most accurate passer.
For those backing ALB, I think this is where his edge lies.
Not having a go! I just don't see what you see in that regard. Both his short and long passing game seem pretty accurate to me, so yeah just wondering what I'm not seeing.
Tend to agree. He's improved at Super level and there's no reason he can't demonstrate that at Test level. He's not new to 13 at Test level as Foster has given him experience there and Reiko's confidence (which was shot in 2019) is back big-time.
It won't be after a test season outside the evergreen Tupaea
I suspect Foster will go with Goodhue for that reason as long as he does UK in the SRP games.
