All Blacks 2022

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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2022:

@NZbloke said in All Blacks 2022:

@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2022:

@NZbloke lol fuck what? i had my doubts before, but now it's pretty clear you are a troll. Elaborate, but a troll account none the less.

Are you this dumb or is it just an act ?

@mariner4life being dumb and you being a troll are not mutually exclusive

Idiotic to call me a troll ?

[Kiwiwomble]

@NZbloke said in All Blacks 2022:

@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2022:

@NZbloke said in All Blacks 2022:

@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2022:

@NZbloke lol fuck what? i had my doubts before, but now it's pretty clear you are a troll. Elaborate, but a troll account none the less.

Are you this dumb or is it just an act ?

@mariner4life being dumb and you being a troll are not mutually exclusive

Idiotic to call me a troll ?

you're asking a question?...then no, not idiotic

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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2022:

@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2022:

@NZbloke said in All Blacks 2022:

@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2022:

@NZbloke lol fuck what? i had my doubts before, but now it's pretty clear you are a troll. Elaborate, but a troll account none the less.

Are you this dumb or is it just an act ?

@mariner4life being dumb and you being a troll are not mutually exclusive

yeah this!

wait...

You're the one that's a troll to think a bloke that weighs 113kg is quicker than one that weighs 103kg... the exception is Kira Ioane who is about 113kg, but is a freak athlete.

[Stargazer]

Ah, slight reminiscence of @jaguares4real / @E-African-Troll days here.

[Frank]

@NZbloke said in All Blacks 2022:

We all know the excellent skill sets Aumua has,

Yep, let's start with his superb lineout throwing.

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@Frank said in All Blacks 2022:

@NZbloke said in All Blacks 2022:

We all know the excellent skill sets Aumua has,

Yep, let's start with his superb lineout throwing.

Mate, all hookers tend to struggle with lineout throwing... tell me how many hookers are as quick as him around the field ?

[Kiwiwomble]

@NZbloke said in All Blacks 2022:

@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2022:

@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2022:

@NZbloke said in All Blacks 2022:

@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2022:

@NZbloke lol fuck what? i had my doubts before, but now it's pretty clear you are a troll. Elaborate, but a troll account none the less.

Are you this dumb or is it just an act ?

@mariner4life being dumb and you being a troll are not mutually exclusive

yeah this!

wait...

You're the one that's a troll to think a bloke that weighs 113kg is quicker than one that weighs 103kg... the exception is Kira Ioane who is about 113kg, but is a freak athlete.

usain bolt is 20kg heavier than me...wild guess he's faster than me....you're argument is so one dimensional its funny

[gt12]

@Kiwiwomble

Clearly, you aren’t a freak athlete.

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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2022:

@NZbloke said in All Blacks 2022:

@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2022:

@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2022:

@NZbloke said in All Blacks 2022:

@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2022:

@NZbloke lol fuck what? i had my doubts before, but now it's pretty clear you are a troll. Elaborate, but a troll account none the less.

Are you this dumb or is it just an act ?

@mariner4life being dumb and you being a troll are not mutually exclusive

yeah this!

wait...

You're the one that's a troll to think a bloke that weighs 113kg is quicker than one that weighs 103kg... the exception is Kira Ioane who is about 113kg, but is a freak athlete.

usain bolt is 20kg heavier than me...wild guess he's faster than me....you're argument is so one dimensional its funny

I did say as a big flanker Ioane was the exception... you must be a troll.

[Frank]

@NZbloke said in All Blacks 2022:

Mate, all hookers tend to struggle with lineout throwing.

Coles, Taylor, and Samisoni are good lineout throwers. (much better than him)

[Bovidae]

@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:

I think they’ll rotate a bit this year. Barrett will be a key guy for us this year and if he can keep his head should take his game to the next level.

Foster and co have talked about Vaa'i being a possibility at 6, but I am not sure he even makes the bench if the veterans start at lock. Barrett is more likely to be there. If they rotate the locks then they must get the combinations right. BBBR/Barrett with Whitelock/Vaa'i, but I wouldn't want the latter two starting together.

[Kiwiwomble]

@NZbloke yeah...so he's the one exception...so everyone else in the world must fall into your definition of heavier is always slower....so i must be faster than Usain Bolt...unless you mean there might be other exceptions.....i wonder if there any chance that DP is one of them

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@Frank said in All Blacks 2022:

@NZbloke said in All Blacks 2022:

Mate, all hookers tend to struggle with lineout throwing.

Coles, Taylor, and Samisoni are good lineout throwers. (much better than him)

I would say they are not that much better than him at throwing in... not just the throwing in, it's the timing of the lifters as well, with the Canes wasn't easy for any of our hookers throwing in this year as Holland keep changing too many players per game.

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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2022:

@NZbloke yeah...so he's the one exception...so everyone else in the world must fall into your definition of heavier is always slower....so i must be faster than Usain Bolt...unless you mean there might be other exceptions.....i wonder if there any chance that DP is one of them

Naturally you sum up how athletic a big bloke is first, that's a given... think Ioane & Papalii are similar in height & weight as loosies, obviously Ioane is a much better athlete & has better ball skills.

[mariner4life]

re: the locks

one of the positions i care about.

I am far more wary of this supposed "next level" that Scott Barrett, a 6-year All Black, is suddenly going to find. Perfectly adequate player, but not a point of difference, and should be easily upgraded on. Good man to have in the squad though, as he'll do a job. Does try a bit hard to be something he is not though, hence the fucking idiotic cards.

The veterans aren't that old, but have huge miles on the clock. And because they have been so fucking good, it's sort of landed us where we are. Both get a huge workload in terms of minutes, and what we expect them to do. And we have never built depth because no one could get a look in.

If i was coaching (and lets be thankful that i am not) i would be rotating through them. Vaa'i is their obvious choice of the youngsters, so he would get lots of minutes next to one of Retallick and Whitelock. Barrett on the bench as a safety option. And i would be giving them very fucking specific roles too (clean rucks you old fucks). It involves coaching and man management, but it's necessary. Because it would be very easy to cruise through another year running them in to the ground, playing huge minutes and getting them to do everything. And we are in the same spot in 12 months, except it's now riskier.

[broughie]

@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2022:

re: the locks

one of the positions i care about.

I am far more wary of this supposed "next level" that Scott Barrett, a 6-year All Black, is suddenly going to find. Perfectly adequate player, but not a point of difference, and should be easily upgraded on. Good man to have in the squad though, as he'll do a job. Does try a bit hard to be something he is not though, hence the fucking idiotic cards.

The veterans aren't that old, but have huge miles on the clock. And because they have been so fucking good, it's sort of landed us where we are. Both get a huge workload in terms of minutes, and what we expect them to do. And we have never built depth because no one could get a look in.

If i was coaching (and lets be thankful that i am not) i would be rotating through them. Vaa'i is their obvious choice of the youngsters, so he would get lots of minutes next to one of Retallick and Whitelock. Barrett on the bench as a safety option. And i would be giving them very fucking specific roles too (clean rucks you old fucks). It involves coaching and man management, but it's necessary. Because it would be very easy to cruise through another year running them in to the ground, playing huge minutes and getting them to do everything. And we are in the same spot in 12 months, except it's now riskier.

It is not just their ages that are a concern, as you correctly pointed out, but mileage. I think, with exceptions, the shelf life of a rugby player is shorter now considering the increased physical nature of the game and shear number of games. Especially in the forwards. Injuries are usually a tell tale sign of wear and tear.

[ACT Crusader]

@mariner4life his obsession with weights and size, makes me think he wants Hayman at no8. Blackdragon come on down…

[mariner4life]

@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:

@mariner4life his obsession with weights and size, makes me think he wants Hayman at no8. Blackdragon come on down…

these young guys just need to practice more if they want to be heavier and... wait

dammit.

[Kiwiwomble]

@broughie said in All Blacks 2022:

@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2022:

re: the locks

one of the positions i care about.

I am far more wary of this supposed "next level" that Scott Barrett, a 6-year All Black, is suddenly going to find. Perfectly adequate player, but not a point of difference, and should be easily upgraded on. Good man to have in the squad though, as he'll do a job. Does try a bit hard to be something he is not though, hence the fucking idiotic cards.

The veterans aren't that old, but have huge miles on the clock. And because they have been so fucking good, it's sort of landed us where we are. Both get a huge workload in terms of minutes, and what we expect them to do. And we have never built depth because no one could get a look in.

If i was coaching (and lets be thankful that i am not) i would be rotating through them. Vaa'i is their obvious choice of the youngsters, so he would get lots of minutes next to one of Retallick and Whitelock. Barrett on the bench as a safety option. And i would be giving them very fucking specific roles too (clean rucks you old fucks). It involves coaching and man management, but it's necessary. Because it would be very easy to cruise through another year running them in to the ground, playing huge minutes and getting them to do everything. And we are in the same spot in 12 months, except it's now riskier.

It is not just their ages that are a concern, as you correctly pointed out, but mileage. I think, with exceptions, the shelf life of a rugby player is shorter now considering the increased physical nature of the game and shear number of games. Especially in the forwards. Injuries are usually a tell tale sign of wear and tear.

you might be right, we saw it a lot of the last couple of years, several guys not playing more than a couple of game in a row, rested and rotated more than previously is my feeling

[antipodean]

@Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:

@gt12 said in All Blacks 2022:

@Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:

@gt12 maybe it also screams out “we want to support you new players as much as we can, to be the best you can be”
If DeGroot needs a kick in the arse to sort out his fitness and they see him as the option they want post KT then I don’t see the problem except that there won’t be room for four loose heads if you include Hodgman

Would your analysis change if Hodgman thought he was getting the Luatua treatment and signed overseas?

He's 28, seemingly not needed, and his value will much higher this year compared to next following the WC.

If not him then one of the others. There’s four good young looseheads in NZ and room for three in the ABs.
Sounds harsh but Hodgman might only have one RWC in him and when we turn around to look for a replacement one of the others has gone.

That may be unfortunate, but it's bad enough Test rugby is centred around a four yearly cycle, no need to compound on that arsehattery and extend it to two or more cycles.