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All Blacks 2022

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  • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

    re: the locks

    one of the positions i care about.

    I am far more wary of this supposed "next level" that Scott Barrett, a 6-year All Black, is suddenly going to find. Perfectly adequate player, but not a point of difference, and should be easily upgraded on. Good man to have in the squad though, as he'll do a job. Does try a bit hard to be something he is not though, hence the fucking idiotic cards.

    The veterans aren't that old, but have huge miles on the clock. And because they have been so fucking good, it's sort of landed us where we are. Both get a huge workload in terms of minutes, and what we expect them to do. And we have never built depth because no one could get a look in.

    If i was coaching (and lets be thankful that i am not) i would be rotating through them. Vaa'i is their obvious choice of the youngsters, so he would get lots of minutes next to one of Retallick and Whitelock. Barrett on the bench as a safety option. And i would be giving them very fucking specific roles too (clean rucks you old fucks). It involves coaching and man management, but it's necessary. Because it would be very easy to cruise through another year running them in to the ground, playing huge minutes and getting them to do everything. And we are in the same spot in 12 months, except it's now riskier.

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    @mariner4life said in All Blacks 2022:

    re: the locks

    one of the positions i care about.

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    @Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2022:

    At least this year they have a cunning plan to outsmart the rush defence.

    It will be fucking epic when it's ready, cos they've been planning it since 2017!

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      3 Canterbury players in the squad. That must be the lowest in a long time? The lowest this century?

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      • DuluthD Duluth

        3 Canterbury players in the squad. That must be the lowest in a long time? The lowest this century?

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        @Duluth said in All Blacks 2022:

        3 Canterbury players in the squad. That must be the lowest in a long time? The lowest this century?

        A reflection on how terrible Canterbury have been.

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        • Crazy HorseC Crazy Horse

          @Duluth said in All Blacks 2022:

          3 Canterbury players in the squad. That must be the lowest in a long time? The lowest this century?

          A reflection on how terrible Canterbury have been.

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          @Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2022:

          @Duluth said in All Blacks 2022:

          3 Canterbury players in the squad. That must be the lowest in a long time? The lowest this century?

          A reflection on how terrible Canterbury have been.

          I don't think so as all blacks barely play for their province!

          But I get what you mean

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          • FrankF Frank

            @akan004 said in All Blacks 2022:

            From the interview.
            Fozzie sounds far from convinced RTS is ready to start (wanted to see if he has a "triple threat" short passing, long passing, and kicking game)

            He mentioned combinations being great and used Goodhue, Havili and Mo'unga as an example.

            -Wants AB team to play faster and stick to this style as being true to themselves.

            Wants to improve fringe defense around the ruck.

            Huge wraps on Sam Cane and firmly believes he is the right captain.

            Ethan Blackadder would have been in had he not been injured.

            Aaron Smith (groin) and Jordie (knee) could be a bit touch and go.

            Sees Jordie as 15. Having him at 12 might alter bench options. Does not think he would have done enough to be the best 12 in NZ. Sees him as complete package at 15.

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            @Frank said in All Blacks 2022:

            @akan004 said in All Blacks 2022:

            From the interview.
            Fozzie sounds far from convinced RTS is ready to start (wanted to see if he has a "triple threat" short passing, long passing, and kicking game)

            He mentioned combinations being great and used Goodhue, Havili and Mo'unga as an example.

            We're fucked.

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            • antipodeanA antipodean

              @Frank said in All Blacks 2022:

              @akan004 said in All Blacks 2022:

              From the interview.
              Fozzie sounds far from convinced RTS is ready to start (wanted to see if he has a "triple threat" short passing, long passing, and kicking game)

              He mentioned combinations being great and used Goodhue, Havili and Mo'unga as an example.

              We're fucked.

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              @antipodean It’s depressing listening to this politician/rugby coach?

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              • antipodeanA antipodean

                @Frank said in All Blacks 2022:

                @akan004 said in All Blacks 2022:

                From the interview.
                Fozzie sounds far from convinced RTS is ready to start (wanted to see if he has a "triple threat" short passing, long passing, and kicking game)

                He mentioned combinations being great and used Goodhue, Havili and Mo'unga as an example.

                We're fucked.

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                @antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:

                @Frank said in All Blacks 2022:

                @akan004 said in All Blacks 2022:

                From the interview.
                Fozzie sounds far from convinced RTS is ready to start (wanted to see if he has a "triple threat" short passing, long passing, and kicking game)

                He mentioned combinations being great and used Goodhue, Havili and Mo'unga as an example.

                We're fucked.

                I don't care whether it's RM or BB, but please no, not Havili and Goodhue.

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                • Crazy HorseC Crazy Horse

                  @antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:

                  @Frank said in All Blacks 2022:

                  @akan004 said in All Blacks 2022:

                  From the interview.
                  Fozzie sounds far from convinced RTS is ready to start (wanted to see if he has a "triple threat" short passing, long passing, and kicking game)

                  He mentioned combinations being great and used Goodhue, Havili and Mo'unga as an example.

                  We're fucked.

                  I don't care whether it's RM or BB, but please no, not Havili and Goodhue.

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                  @Crazy-Horse you know it’s going to happen. These fuckers have no clue.

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                  • Crazy HorseC Crazy Horse

                    @antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:

                    @Frank said in All Blacks 2022:

                    @akan004 said in All Blacks 2022:

                    From the interview.
                    Fozzie sounds far from convinced RTS is ready to start (wanted to see if he has a "triple threat" short passing, long passing, and kicking game)

                    He mentioned combinations being great and used Goodhue, Havili and Mo'unga as an example.

                    We're fucked.

                    I don't care whether it's RM or BB, but please no, not Havili and Goodhue.

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                    @Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2022:

                    @antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:

                    @Frank said in All Blacks 2022:

                    @akan004 said in All Blacks 2022:

                    From the interview.
                    Fozzie sounds far from convinced RTS is ready to start (wanted to see if he has a "triple threat" short passing, long passing, and kicking game)

                    He mentioned combinations being great and used Goodhue, Havili and Mo'unga as an example.

                    We're fucked.

                    I don't care whether it's RM or BB, but please no, not Havili and Goodhue.

                    the plan to beat the rush defense is to lull them in to a mistake by being completely unthreatening for 70 minutes.

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                    • No QuarterN Online
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                      Can you imagine the reaction on here if that's what they went with haha. It'd be a solid meltdown, bar a couple of one-eyed Crusader fans like Canerbry and Stargazer who would be sitting in the corner creaming themselves.

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                      • No QuarterN No Quarter

                        Can you imagine the reaction on here if that's what they went with haha. It'd be a solid meltdown, bar a couple of one-eyed Crusader fans like Canerbry and Stargazer who would be sitting in the corner creaming themselves.

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                        @No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2022:

                        Can you imagine the reaction on here if that's what they went with haha. It'd be a solid meltdown, bar a couple of one-eyed Crusader fans like Canerbry and Stargazer who would be sitting in the corner creaming themselves.

                        i would drink a bottle of red and then tee right the fuck off

                        insults. and swears. so so many swears

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                        • Chris B.C Online
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                          Take Sam Cane. He was 101kg when he made his test début as a 20-year-old in June 2012. He's now 109kg - almost 10 per heavier in five years.

                          https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/the-weight-evolution-of-the-all-blacks-supersize-only/4HPU2E37QCK74SXVOKDNBJSEJY/

                          Seriously, you only have to look at Same Cane to see he's heavier than 103kgs.

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                          • Chris B.C Chris B.

                            Take Sam Cane. He was 101kg when he made his test début as a 20-year-old in June 2012. He's now 109kg - almost 10 per heavier in five years.

                            https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/the-weight-evolution-of-the-all-blacks-supersize-only/4HPU2E37QCK74SXVOKDNBJSEJY/

                            Seriously, you only have to look at Same Cane to see he's heavier than 103kgs.

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                            @Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:

                            Take Sam Cane. He was 101kg when he made his test début as a 20-year-old in June 2012. He's now 109kg - almost 10 per heavier in five years

                            fuck, imagine how slow he must have got

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                            • No QuarterN No Quarter

                              Can you imagine the reaction on here if that's what they went with haha. It'd be a solid meltdown, bar a couple of one-eyed Crusader fans like Canerbry and Stargazer who would be sitting in the corner creaming themselves.

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                              @No-Quarter Only problem with that backline is that a token halfback will have to be selected to go with Jordan, Fainga'anuku and Reece

                              I’ll hand it to Fozzie, he does know how to mess with some of your heads 🙂

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                              • ACT CrusaderA ACT Crusader

                                @No-Quarter Only problem with that backline is that a token halfback will have to be selected to go with Jordan, Fainga'anuku and Reece

                                I’ll hand it to Fozzie, he does know how to mess with some of your heads 🙂

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                                @ACT-Crusader You think he is that brilliant?

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                                  Not total whining negative troll drivel, for once

                                  https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/opinion/300612927/all-blacks-squad-time-for-a-dithering-ian-foster-to-make-the-big-calls

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                                  • ACT CrusaderA ACT Crusader

                                    @No-Quarter Only problem with that backline is that a token halfback will have to be selected to go with Jordan, Fainga'anuku and Reece

                                    I’ll hand it to Fozzie, he does know how to mess with some of your heads 🙂

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                                    @ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:

                                    @No-Quarter Only problem with that backline is that a token halfback will have to be selected to go with Jordan, Fainga'anuku and Reece

                                    I’ll hand it to Fozzie, he does know how to mess with some of your heads 🙂

                                    Mako-Blacks - coming your way soon! 🙂

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                                    • M Machpants

                                      Not total whining negative troll drivel, for once

                                      https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/opinion/300612927/all-blacks-squad-time-for-a-dithering-ian-foster-to-make-the-big-calls

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                                      @Machpants said in All Blacks 2022:

                                      Not total whining negative troll drivel, for once

                                      https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/opinion/300612927/all-blacks-squad-time-for-a-dithering-ian-foster-to-make-the-big-calls

                                      I saw that on Stuff, saw it by Mark Reason and didn't bother reading any further.

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                                      • get stuffedG get stuffed

                                        @Bones said in All Blacks 2022:

                                        @NZbloke said in All Blacks 2022:

                                        @Bones said in All Blacks 2022:

                                        @NZbloke said in All Blacks 2022:

                                        Papallii has never had the pace to be a link player at 7

                                        🤣

                                        Are you on drugs ? ...do you even realize a 7 should be a fetcher, an openside has to have the pace to link up with the backs, especially with the speed the ABs play, that isn't Papalii, he's too slow for the position & weighs about 115kg, which is why he's better suited to 6 or 8.

                                        Hahaha, good one Murray Dickhead.... yeah I've never played rugby and I'm on an array of drugs - yet my insight into rugby, players and coaching is still light years beyond your basic, clichéd dross. That must be embarrassing.

                                        Papalii is quicker than Cane, sharpen up.

                                        You're a clown, as usual logic goes straight out the window with you - Cane is obviously the faster of the two, also he's 103kg, Whereas Papalii is 113kg.

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                                        @NZbloke said in All Blacks 2022:

                                        @Bones said in All Blacks 2022:

                                        @NZbloke said in All Blacks 2022:

                                        @Bones said in All Blacks 2022:

                                        @NZbloke said in All Blacks 2022:

                                        Papallii has never had the pace to be a link player at 7

                                        🤣

                                        Are you on drugs ? ...do you even realize a 7 should be a fetcher, an openside has to have the pace to link up with the backs, especially with the speed the ABs play, that isn't Papalii, he's too slow for the position & weighs about 115kg, which is why he's better suited to 6 or 8.

                                        Hahaha, good one Murray Dickhead.... yeah I've never played rugby and I'm on an array of drugs - yet my insight into rugby, players and coaching is still light years beyond your basic, clichéd dross. That must be embarrassing.

                                        Papalii is quicker than Cane, sharpen up.

                                        You're a clown, as usual logic goes straight out the window with you - Cane is obviously the faster of the two, also he's 103kg, Whereas Papalii is 113kg.

                                        Ohhhh shit, yeah bang goes my logic eh... brought down by the amazing logic of "this one's heavier so it must be slower"! 🤣

                                        That word in bold will make it easy for you to show us the obvious examples. Chop chop Muzza.

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                                          Oh shit I've only just caught up. I didn't realise the we'd regressed to even more kindergarten level education with the weight/speed thing. Stellar work chaps.

                                          Imagine how fast Cane would have been when he was 5 though if he's so speedy now.

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