All Blacks 2022
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I have a concern this team has been shelved for a long time due to a lack of marketability, instead of thinking of it as a strong pathways opportunity. The bean counters see having two high performance teams as the maximum, All Blacks and MABs. This group should be together at least twice a year. But financial constraints always mean it will be the most easy to cull.
@SouthernMann said in All Blacks 2022:
I have a concern this team has been shelved for a long time due to a lack of marketability, instead of thinking of it as a strong pathways opportunity. The bean counters see having two high performance teams as the maximum, All Blacks and MABs. This group should be together at least twice a year. But financial constraints always mean it will be the most easy to cull.
Maybe waiting for the Silverlake deal to come through?
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“Ethan de Groot turned [Ofa] Tuungafasi inside out the other week, and then they turn around and say he's not fit enough.
"What the hell have their so-called trainers been doing all year, keeping in touch with these players??
Add Loe to the list of punters waiting in the wings for the ABs to fail to justify his opinion.
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“Ethan de Groot turned [Ofa] Tuungafasi inside out the other week, and then they turn around and say he's not fit enough.
"What the hell have their so-called trainers been doing all year, keeping in touch with these players??
Add Loe to the list of punters waiting in the wings for the ABs to fail to justify his opinion.
@ACT-Crusader in fairness i do struggle with the "he's unfit" argument, im sure he could be more fit...but when i see him puffing and blowing he's often just stood up form a huge scrum or a long period of play and hes a big unit, i still see him doing the work....if im honest when i see guys chatting and laughing as soon as the whistle blows i cant help but think...could you have tried harder?
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@ACT-Crusader in fairness i do struggle with the "he's unfit" argument, im sure he could be more fit...but when i see him puffing and blowing he's often just stood up form a huge scrum or a long period of play and hes a big unit, i still see him doing the work....if im honest when i see guys chatting and laughing as soon as the whistle blows i cant help but think...could you have tried harder?
@Kiwiwomble they would have the data on all that stuff though rather than the eye test. Ruck to ruck time etc.
I think of all the players that didn’t make this squad, de Groot is one that could possibly make the 4Ns squad.
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@Kiwiwomble they would have the data on all that stuff though rather than the eye test. Ruck to ruck time etc.
I think of all the players that didn’t make this squad, de Groot is one that could possibly make the 4Ns squad.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
@Kiwiwomble they would have the data on all that stuff though rather than the eye test. Ruck to ruck time etc.
And specifically speed to get on feet and back in the line was what I heard. So a technique rather than just fitness. Karl T got hammered for that a while ago, and may have improved
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Foster has been pretty clear that a big reason for Karl over Ethan is they play Ireland 3 times then the Boks 2 times in their first 5 tests.
They already have 2 relative newbies at loosehead (Bower, Ross) - they didn't want a 3rd and see Karl as the strongest scrummaging loosehead in NZ.
It's very clear Ethan will come into the picture once Karl is off.
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Foster has been pretty clear that a big reason for Karl over Ethan is they play Ireland 3 times then the Boks 2 times in their first 5 tests.
They already have 2 relative newbies at loosehead (Bower, Ross) - they didn't want a 3rd and see Karl as the strongest scrummaging loosehead in NZ.
It's very clear Ethan will come into the picture once Karl is off.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
Foster has been pretty clear that a big reason for Karl over Ethan is they play Ireland 3 times then the Boks 2 times in their first 5 tests.
They already have 2 relative newbies at loosehead (Bower, Ross) - they didn't want a 3rd and see Karl as the strongest scrummaging loosehead in NZ.
It's very clear Ethan will come into the picture once Karl is off.
Which is bullshit. Firstly if you have committed overseas than that absolutely should count against you. And secondly being under pressure is exactly what these young looseheads need to experience, because it's these guys who are most likely going to come under the blowtorch come the World Cup. Pressure makes diamonds etc
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yeah....now Degroot might be going into the world cup year with a handful of tests under his belt rather the nearly 20...much better
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
Foster has been pretty clear that a big reason for Karl over Ethan is they play Ireland 3 times then the Boks 2 times in their first 5 tests.
They already have 2 relative newbies at loosehead (Bower, Ross) - they didn't want a 3rd and see Karl as the strongest scrummaging loosehead in NZ.
It's very clear Ethan will come into the picture once Karl is off.
Which is bullshit. Firstly if you have committed overseas than that absolutely should count against you. And secondly being under pressure is exactly what these young looseheads need to experience, because it's these guys who are most likely going to come under the blowtorch come the World Cup. Pressure makes diamonds etc
@Frye said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
Foster has been pretty clear that a big reason for Karl over Ethan is they play Ireland 3 times then the Boks 2 times in their first 5 tests.
They already have 2 relative newbies at loosehead (Bower, Ross) - they didn't want a 3rd and see Karl as the strongest scrummaging loosehead in NZ.
It's very clear Ethan will come into the picture once Karl is off.
Which is bullshit. Firstly if you have committed overseas than that absolutely should count against you. And secondly being under pressure is exactly what these young looseheads need to experience, because it's these guys who are most likely going to come under the blowtorch come the World Cup. Pressure makes diamonds etc
Isn’t that what Ross and Bower will get though. They will be in that pressure cooker for 30-40 minutes at a minimum.
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Foster has been pretty clear that a big reason for Karl over Ethan is they play Ireland 3 times then the Boks 2 times in their first 5 tests.
They already have 2 relative newbies at loosehead (Bower, Ross) - they didn't want a 3rd and see Karl as the strongest scrummaging loosehead in NZ.
It's very clear Ethan will come into the picture once Karl is off.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
Foster has been pretty clear that a big reason for Karl over Ethan is they play Ireland 3 times then the Boks 2 times in their first 5 tests.
They already have 2 relative newbies at loosehead (Bower, Ross) - they didn't want a 3rd and see Karl as the strongest scrummaging loosehead in NZ.
It's very clear Ethan will come into the picture once Karl is off.
Not having a go at you, but that implies that Karl is the winning and losing of the series, as we don't have good enough looseheads behind him. That won't change if the next set of players don't get to play against the best scrummagers this year, rather than next. It also means that he has hitched his ride to Moody. It's nice to be old in the current ABs, you can have a guaranteed spot even if you're on the decline.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
Foster has been pretty clear that a big reason for Karl over Ethan is they play Ireland 3 times then the Boks 2 times in their first 5 tests.
They already have 2 relative newbies at loosehead (Bower, Ross) - they didn't want a 3rd and see Karl as the strongest scrummaging loosehead in NZ.
It's very clear Ethan will come into the picture once Karl is off.
Not having a go at you, but that implies that Karl is the winning and losing of the series, as we don't have good enough looseheads behind him. That won't change if the next set of players don't get to play against the best scrummagers this year, rather than next. It also means that he has hitched his ride to Moody. It's nice to be old in the current ABs, you can have a guaranteed spot even if you're on the decline.
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
Foster has been pretty clear that a big reason for Karl over Ethan is they play Ireland 3 times then the Boks 2 times in their first 5 tests.
They already have 2 relative newbies at loosehead (Bower, Ross) - they didn't want a 3rd and see Karl as the strongest scrummaging loosehead in NZ.
It's very clear Ethan will come into the picture once Karl is off.
Not having a go at you, but that implies that Karl is the winning and losing of the series, as we don't have good enough looseheads behind him. That won't change if the next set of players don't get to play against the best scrummagers this year, rather than next. It also means that he has hitched his ride to Moody. It's nice to old in the current ABs, you can have a guaranteed spot even if you're on the decline.
Yeah i'm not saying I agree with the approach - i'm just communicating the rationate. Personally i'd have De Groot in there instead and I'd have Hodgman very close.
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@gt12 said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
Foster has been pretty clear that a big reason for Karl over Ethan is they play Ireland 3 times then the Boks 2 times in their first 5 tests.
They already have 2 relative newbies at loosehead (Bower, Ross) - they didn't want a 3rd and see Karl as the strongest scrummaging loosehead in NZ.
It's very clear Ethan will come into the picture once Karl is off.
Not having a go at you, but that implies that Karl is the winning and losing of the series, as we don't have good enough looseheads behind him. That won't change if the next set of players don't get to play against the best scrummagers this year, rather than next. It also means that he has hitched his ride to Moody. It's nice to old in the current ABs, you can have a guaranteed spot even if you're on the decline.
Yeah i'm not saying I agree with the approach - i'm just communicating the rationate. Personally i'd have De Groot in there instead and I'd have Hodgman very close.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
Foster has been pretty clear that a big reason for Karl over Ethan is they play Ireland 3 times then the Boks 2 times in their first 5 tests.
They already have 2 relative newbies at loosehead (Bower, Ross) - they didn't want a 3rd and see Karl as the strongest scrummaging loosehead in NZ.
It's very clear Ethan will come into the picture once Karl is off.
Not having a go at you, but that implies that Karl is the winning and losing of the series, as we don't have good enough looseheads behind him. That won't change if the next set of players don't get to play against the best scrummagers this year, rather than next. It also means that he has hitched his ride to Moody. It's nice to old in the current ABs, you can have a guaranteed spot even if you're on the decline.
Yeah i'm not saying I agree with the approach - i'm just communicating the rationate. Personally i'd have De Groot in there instead and I'd have Hodgman very close.
I figured, as would I.
Hodgman is leaving. That's my prediction.
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@Frye said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
Foster has been pretty clear that a big reason for Karl over Ethan is they play Ireland 3 times then the Boks 2 times in their first 5 tests.
They already have 2 relative newbies at loosehead (Bower, Ross) - they didn't want a 3rd and see Karl as the strongest scrummaging loosehead in NZ.
It's very clear Ethan will come into the picture once Karl is off.
Which is bullshit. Firstly if you have committed overseas than that absolutely should count against you. And secondly being under pressure is exactly what these young looseheads need to experience, because it's these guys who are most likely going to come under the blowtorch come the World Cup. Pressure makes diamonds etc
Isn’t that what Ross and Bower will get though. They will be in that pressure cooker for 30-40 minutes at a minimum.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
@Frye said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
Foster has been pretty clear that a big reason for Karl over Ethan is they play Ireland 3 times then the Boks 2 times in their first 5 tests.
They already have 2 relative newbies at loosehead (Bower, Ross) - they didn't want a 3rd and see Karl as the strongest scrummaging loosehead in NZ.
It's very clear Ethan will come into the picture once Karl is off.
Which is bullshit. Firstly if you have committed overseas than that absolutely should count against you. And secondly being under pressure is exactly what these young looseheads need to experience, because it's these guys who are most likely going to come under the blowtorch come the World Cup. Pressure makes diamonds etc
Isn’t that what Ross and Bower will get though. They will be in that pressure cooker for 30-40 minutes at a minimum.
Except Karl T as a safety net is undermining that pressure cooker environment. He's not gonna be there at the world cup.
And it's worth repeating, why pay someone and invest in them (a not insignificant amount of money) when they've committed themselves overseas.
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wasnt one of the reasons Luatua wasnt picked was he had signed offshore?
Outside of RWC years, usually if you have signed elsewhere, you miss out.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
Foster has been pretty clear that a big reason for Karl over Ethan is they play Ireland 3 times then the Boks 2 times in their first 5 tests.
They already have 2 relative newbies at loosehead (Bower, Ross) - they didn't want a 3rd and see Karl as the strongest scrummaging loosehead in NZ.
It's very clear Ethan will come into the picture once Karl is off.
Not having a go at you, but that implies that Karl is the winning and losing of the series, as we don't have good enough looseheads behind him. That won't change if the next set of players don't get to play against the best scrummagers this year, rather than next. It also means that he has hitched his ride to Moody. It's nice to old in the current ABs, you can have a guaranteed spot even if you're on the decline.
Yeah i'm not saying I agree with the approach - i'm just communicating the rationate. Personally i'd have De Groot in there instead and I'd have Hodgman very close.
I figured, as would I.
Hodgman is leaving. That's my prediction.
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wasnt one of the reasons Luatua wasnt picked was he had signed offshore?
Outside of RWC years, usually if you have signed elsewhere, you miss out.
@taniwharugby And Piutau.
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wasnt one of the reasons Luatua wasnt picked was he had signed offshore?
Outside of RWC years, usually if you have signed elsewhere, you miss out.
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:
wasnt one of the reasons Luatua wasnt picked was he had signed offshore?
Outside of RWC years, usually if you have signed elsewhere, you miss out.
Not true, they always say they pick the best team available. But if it's close they'll pick the one that's staying. Piutau was not picked cos they wanted someone else. Not saying they always make the right picks, but that is a consistent line from the selectors
