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  • No QuarterN Online
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    I wonder what influence Baz with Stokes at the helm is already having, or are we just way below par?

    I say that because we've had England on the ropes a few times this series, in fact we've had them basically KO'd we were so far ahead of the game, but they've found a way to fight back and we haven't reacted to it.

    55/6 should be pretty much game set and match.

    Just feel like the England we knew when we last played them would have rolled over.

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    @No-Quarter said in Black Caps tour of England 2022:

    I wonder what influence Baz with Stokes at the helm is already having, or are we just way below par?

    I say that because we've had England on the ropes a few times this series, in fact we've had them basically KO'd we were so far ahead of the game, but they've found a way to fight back and we haven't reacted to it.

    55/6 should be pretty much game set and match.

    Just feel like the England we knew when we last played them would have rolled over.

    You mean like last year ? Me too. Cricket is a funny game.

    It’s irritating when someone who was previously a pretty bog standard test batsman like Bairstow plays the house down…..

    But then again perhaps that is what Mitchell is doing for us too.

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    @No-Quarter said in Black Caps tour of England 2022:

    I wonder what influence Baz with Stokes at the helm is already having, or are we just way below par?

    I say that because we've had England on the ropes a few times this series, in fact we've had them basically KO'd we were so far ahead of the game, but they've found a way to fight back and we haven't reacted to it.

    55/6 should be pretty much game set and match.

    Just feel like the England we knew when we last played them would have rolled over.

    For me this has Baz finger prints all over this, you're right at 55/6 we should have this, but then they accelerate at great pace with nothing to lose, sounds remarkably like a play out of the Bay manual and turn a would be defeat into something completely different

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    So why is Bracewell when Ajaz is in the squad as well? We need attack bowlers and Ajaz can take wickets

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    @canefan said in Black Caps tour of England 2022:

    So why is Bracewell when Ajaz is in the squad as well? We need attack bowlers and Ajaz can take wickets

    …..and not go for 7.66 an over

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    England are scoring at a pretty rapid clip and we don't seem able to stop them

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    A flurry by the tail gives England a 31 run lead. Cue the obligatory top order collapse

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    @canefan said in Black Caps tour of England 2022:

    A flurry by the tail gives England a 31 run lead. Cue the obligatory top order collapse

    TAB were offering $4 for an England win at one point. Can't believe I didn't jump on that.

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    @MN5 said in Black Caps tour of England 2022:

    @No-Quarter said in Black Caps tour of England 2022:

    I wonder what influence Baz with Stokes at the helm is already having, or are we just way below par?

    I say that because we've had England on the ropes a few times this series, in fact we've had them basically KO'd we were so far ahead of the game, but they've found a way to fight back and we haven't reacted to it.

    55/6 should be pretty much game set and match.

    Just feel like the England we knew when we last played them would have rolled over.

    You mean like last year ? Me too. Cricket is a funny game.

    It’s irritating when someone who was previously a pretty bog standard test batsman like Bairstow plays the house down…..

    But then again perhaps that is what Mitchell is doing for us too.

    He was one of the top batsmen in the world in 2016 - scoring over 1400 runs and almost averaging 60. So we know he can bat. There were a few lean years in between, but he’s found a bit of form this year scoring centuries against Oz, Windies and now us.

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  • MajorRageM Offline
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    Our top order can get fucked.

    6 innings batted, how many fifties across them?

    Utter dogshit. We either have standard expectations or we don’t.

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    @ACT-Crusader said in Black Caps tour of England 2022:

    @MN5 said in Black Caps tour of England 2022:

    @No-Quarter said in Black Caps tour of England 2022:

    I wonder what influence Baz with Stokes at the helm is already having, or are we just way below par?

    I say that because we've had England on the ropes a few times this series, in fact we've had them basically KO'd we were so far ahead of the game, but they've found a way to fight back and we haven't reacted to it.

    55/6 should be pretty much game set and match.

    Just feel like the England we knew when we last played them would have rolled over.

    You mean like last year ? Me too. Cricket is a funny game.

    It’s irritating when someone who was previously a pretty bog standard test batsman like Bairstow plays the house down…..

    But then again perhaps that is what Mitchell is doing for us too.

    He was one of the top batsmen in the world in 2016 - scoring over 1400 runs and almost averaging 60. So we know he can bat. There were a few lean years in between, but he’s found a bit of form this year scoring centuries against Oz, Windies and now us.

    So were many of our guys who’ve now decided to shit the bed.

    Christ it would be nice to wake up to someone other than Mitchell and Blundell at the crease. The top order thinks it’s the mid 90’s again.

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    @MN5 said in Black Caps tour of England 2022:

    @ACT-Crusader said in Black Caps tour of England 2022:

    @MN5 said in Black Caps tour of England 2022:

    @No-Quarter said in Black Caps tour of England 2022:

    I wonder what influence Baz with Stokes at the helm is already having, or are we just way below par?

    I say that because we've had England on the ropes a few times this series, in fact we've had them basically KO'd we were so far ahead of the game, but they've found a way to fight back and we haven't reacted to it.

    55/6 should be pretty much game set and match.

    Just feel like the England we knew when we last played them would have rolled over.

    You mean like last year ? Me too. Cricket is a funny game.

    It’s irritating when someone who was previously a pretty bog standard test batsman like Bairstow plays the house down…..

    But then again perhaps that is what Mitchell is doing for us too.

    He was one of the top batsmen in the world in 2016 - scoring over 1400 runs and almost averaging 60. So we know he can bat. There were a few lean years in between, but he’s found a bit of form this year scoring centuries against Oz, Windies and now us.

    So were many of our guys who’ve now decided to shit the bed.

    Christ it would be nice to wake up to someone other than Mitchell and Blundell at the crease. The top order thinks it’s the mid 90’s again.

    Latham got a decent score for a change. But the top order have been an abject failure on the tour. We will always have the WTC win, but the golden era seems to have come and gone

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    @canefan said in Black Caps tour of England 2022:

    @MN5 said in Black Caps tour of England 2022:

    @ACT-Crusader said in Black Caps tour of England 2022:

    @MN5 said in Black Caps tour of England 2022:

    @No-Quarter said in Black Caps tour of England 2022:

    I wonder what influence Baz with Stokes at the helm is already having, or are we just way below par?

    I say that because we've had England on the ropes a few times this series, in fact we've had them basically KO'd we were so far ahead of the game, but they've found a way to fight back and we haven't reacted to it.

    55/6 should be pretty much game set and match.

    Just feel like the England we knew when we last played them would have rolled over.

    You mean like last year ? Me too. Cricket is a funny game.

    It’s irritating when someone who was previously a pretty bog standard test batsman like Bairstow plays the house down…..

    But then again perhaps that is what Mitchell is doing for us too.

    He was one of the top batsmen in the world in 2016 - scoring over 1400 runs and almost averaging 60. So we know he can bat. There were a few lean years in between, but he’s found a bit of form this year scoring centuries against Oz, Windies and now us.

    So were many of our guys who’ve now decided to shit the bed.

    Christ it would be nice to wake up to someone other than Mitchell and Blundell at the crease. The top order thinks it’s the mid 90’s again.

    Latham got a decent score for a change. But the rest of the top order have been an abject failure on the tour. We will always have the WTC win, but the golden era seems to have come and gone

    Indeed.

    In terms of the top order we have an all timer in KW ( who hasn’t fired )……but some of the other players we’ve lauded have come down to earth at a great rate of knots.

    I don’t think Latham and Nicholls are as good as I may have thought in the past. Worryingly Conway is possibly heading this way too.

    Perhaps Young is just an average run of the mill test cricketer.

    If Mitchell and Blundell hadn’t taken up the slack we’d be even more royally fucked.

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    @canefan said in Black Caps tour of England 2022:

    @MN5 said in Black Caps tour of England 2022:

    @ACT-Crusader said in Black Caps tour of England 2022:

    @MN5 said in Black Caps tour of England 2022:

    @No-Quarter said in Black Caps tour of England 2022:

    I wonder what influence Baz with Stokes at the helm is already having, or are we just way below par?

    I say that because we've had England on the ropes a few times this series, in fact we've had them basically KO'd we were so far ahead of the game, but they've found a way to fight back and we haven't reacted to it.

    55/6 should be pretty much game set and match.

    Just feel like the England we knew when we last played them would have rolled over.

    You mean like last year ? Me too. Cricket is a funny game.

    It’s irritating when someone who was previously a pretty bog standard test batsman like Bairstow plays the house down…..

    But then again perhaps that is what Mitchell is doing for us too.

    He was one of the top batsmen in the world in 2016 - scoring over 1400 runs and almost averaging 60. So we know he can bat. There were a few lean years in between, but he’s found a bit of form this year scoring centuries against Oz, Windies and now us.

    So were many of our guys who’ve now decided to shit the bed.

    Christ it would be nice to wake up to someone other than Mitchell and Blundell at the crease. The top order thinks it’s the mid 90’s again.

    Latham got a decent score for a change. But the top order have been an abject failure on the tour. We will always have the WTC win, but the golden era seems to have come and gone

    I think that passed with the loss to the Bangles.

    What's really annoying is the first two tests we were in a position to win and exert dominance, and we just folded. Kane's struggling, feels like Peak Kane is over - and his captaincy is steady at best. Ugh.

    Like the Australia tour, injuries haven't helped, but we shouldn't have lost the second test no matter what.

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  • Chris B.C Online
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    https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/records/averages/batting_bowling_by_team.html?id=14150;team=5;type=series

    Mitchell, Blundell and Boult have fired.

    Everyone else has been mediocre to dogshit.

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    Blundell and Mitch Jnr keeping their heads with Root and Leach getting a bit of bite from the surface.

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    We are so frustratingly shit. We're a bowler short but still lose 5/52 as soon as the Mitchell/Blundell partnership is broken, with again not many runs from the top order. Now England making short work of another 300 chase because Bracewell gets clattered everywhere (after giving his wicket away in our innings), leaving too much for the ageing Southee/Boult/Wagner to cover.

    We have an excellent specialist spinner who's taken a 10-for when conditions are good. Well, conditions are very good, seeing as England's fairly ordinary spinner just took a 5-fer in both innings. Meanwhile Patel is sitting in the stands having only bowled 2 overs at Lord's.

    Every second ball seems to be going to the boundary when we bowl. Just too easy for an English batting lineup that was under real pressure before this series.

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    @TeWaio Indeed. Reality is that, as Mitchell & Blundell have shown, the pitches are very batter friendly.

    I can't fault anybody from number 6 down. They've all played their guts out.

    The top order can hang their heads in shame.

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    @TeWaio said in Black Caps tour of England 2022:

    We are so frustratingly shit. We're a bowler short but still lose 5/52 as soon as the Mitchell/Blundell partnership is broken, with again not many runs from the top order. Now England making short work of another 300 chase because Bracewell gets clattered everywhere (after giving his wicket away in our innings), leaving too much for the ageing Southee/Boult/Wagner to cover.

    We have an excellent specialist spinner who's taken a 10-for when conditions are good. Well, conditions are very good, seeing as England's fairly ordinary spinner just took a 5-fer in both innings. Meanwhile Patel is sitting in the stands having only bowled 2 overs at Lord's.

    Every second ball seems to be going to the boundary when we bowl. Just too easy for an English batting lineup that was under real pressure before this series.

    He must read the fern. Pretty sure loads of people were having a go at him during the Ashes series.

    Bracewell makes me long for Mitch Santner

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  • BonesB Online
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    @MajorRage said in Black Caps tour of England 2022:

    The top order can hang their heads in shame.

    Hasn't that been the craps motto for a couple of decades?

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