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All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test

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  • CrucialC Offline
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    So far there's no new news around player availability which is hopefully a good thing.

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    • CrucialC Crucial

      @JK said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

      @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

      Bit of a no-win situation for Foz.

      Either ABs lose or they win without requiring him.

      Or they loose without him and we get the loss blamed on covid etc rather than his shit coaching and squad selection

      Genuine question here. A couple of contentious decisions aside (well Karl T really) what is the squad selection issue? Apart from keyboard selectors having their own favourite players I thought the squad was pretty much what most people would pick.

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      @Crucial said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

      @JK said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

      @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

      Bit of a no-win situation for Foz.

      Either ABs lose or they win without requiring him.

      Or they loose without him and we get the loss blamed on covid etc rather than his shit coaching and squad selection

      Genuine question here. A couple of contentious decisions aside (well Karl T really) what is the squad selection issue? Apart from keyboard selectors having their own favourite players I thought the squad was pretty much what most people would pick.

      The larger All Black squad, or the best 23/ XV for the game?

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      • CrucialC Crucial

        @nzzp said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

        @Crucial said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

        @JK said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

        @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

        Bit of a no-win situation for Foz.

        Either ABs lose or they win without requiring him.

        Or they loose without him and we get the loss blamed on covid etc rather than his shit coaching and squad selection

        Genuine question here. A couple of contentious decisions aside (well Karl T really) what is the squad selection issue? Apart from keyboard selectors having their own favourite players I thought the squad was pretty much what most people would pick.

        Was pretty good. I just have little trust because of the historic selections and performance.

        A discussion for another thread but we have really veered into 'say it enough times and it's true' territory with the Foster period. It taints all genuine discussion and criticism.
        If I was the lone selector my squad wouldn't be much different and I can assure you that it would be wrong.

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        @Crucial said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

        @nzzp said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

        @Crucial said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

        @JK said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

        @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

        Bit of a no-win situation for Foz.

        Either ABs lose or they win without requiring him.

        Or they loose without him and we get the loss blamed on covid etc rather than his shit coaching and squad selection

        Genuine question here. A couple of contentious decisions aside (well Karl T really) what is the squad selection issue? Apart from keyboard selectors having their own favourite players I thought the squad was pretty much what most people would pick.

        Was pretty good. I just have little trust because of the historic selections and performance.

        A discussion for another thread but we have really veered into 'say it enough times and it's true' territory with the Foster period. It taints all genuine discussion and criticism.
        If I was the lone selector my squad wouldn't be much different and I can assure you that it would be wrong.

        I carry my grudge back to his involvement with Hansen and some of the selections back then. Rational is not the answer @Crucial , embrace the bitterness

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        • antipodeanA antipodean

          @Crucial said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

          @JK said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

          @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

          Bit of a no-win situation for Foz.

          Either ABs lose or they win without requiring him.

          Or they loose without him and we get the loss blamed on covid etc rather than his shit coaching and squad selection

          Genuine question here. A couple of contentious decisions aside (well Karl T really) what is the squad selection issue? Apart from keyboard selectors having their own favourite players I thought the squad was pretty much what most people would pick.

          The larger All Black squad, or the best 23/ XV for the game?

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          @antipodean said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

          @Crucial said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

          @JK said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

          @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

          Bit of a no-win situation for Foz.

          Either ABs lose or they win without requiring him.

          Or they loose without him and we get the loss blamed on covid etc rather than his shit coaching and squad selection

          Genuine question here. A couple of contentious decisions aside (well Karl T really) what is the squad selection issue? Apart from keyboard selectors having their own favourite players I thought the squad was pretty much what most people would pick.

          The larger All Black squad, or the best 23/ XV for the game?

          yeah, weren't too many surprises for e in the squad....im just concerned week to week we're going to see all the same names and the new blood wont get a proper run

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          • antipodeanA antipodean

            @Crucial said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

            @JK said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

            @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

            Bit of a no-win situation for Foz.

            Either ABs lose or they win without requiring him.

            Or they loose without him and we get the loss blamed on covid etc rather than his shit coaching and squad selection

            Genuine question here. A couple of contentious decisions aside (well Karl T really) what is the squad selection issue? Apart from keyboard selectors having their own favourite players I thought the squad was pretty much what most people would pick.

            The larger All Black squad, or the best 23/ XV for the game?

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            @antipodean said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

            @Crucial said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

            @JK said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

            @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

            Bit of a no-win situation for Foz.

            Either ABs lose or they win without requiring him.

            Or they loose without him and we get the loss blamed on covid etc rather than his shit coaching and squad selection

            Genuine question here. A couple of contentious decisions aside (well Karl T really) what is the squad selection issue? Apart from keyboard selectors having their own favourite players I thought the squad was pretty much what most people would pick.

            The larger All Black squad, or the best 23/ XV for the game?

            The comment I responded to said squad selection.

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            • CrucialC Crucial

              @antipodean said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

              @Crucial said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

              @JK said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

              @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

              Bit of a no-win situation for Foz.

              Either ABs lose or they win without requiring him.

              Or they loose without him and we get the loss blamed on covid etc rather than his shit coaching and squad selection

              Genuine question here. A couple of contentious decisions aside (well Karl T really) what is the squad selection issue? Apart from keyboard selectors having their own favourite players I thought the squad was pretty much what most people would pick.

              The larger All Black squad, or the best 23/ XV for the game?

              The comment I responded to said squad selection.

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              @Crucial said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

              @antipodean said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

              @Crucial said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

              @JK said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

              @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

              Bit of a no-win situation for Foz.

              Either ABs lose or they win without requiring him.

              Or they loose without him and we get the loss blamed on covid etc rather than his shit coaching and squad selection

              Genuine question here. A couple of contentious decisions aside (well Karl T really) what is the squad selection issue? Apart from keyboard selectors having their own favourite players I thought the squad was pretty much what most people would pick.

              The larger All Black squad, or the best 23/ XV for the game?

              The comment I responded to said squad selection.

              Selection has been okay..........the ways the ABs have played, including the first ever loss to Argentina, not so much.

              People have fuck all confidence in him because he has won fuck all has a head coach and he was preferred to a clearly more talented coach (Razor).

              If the ABs start playing well, I'll change my mind.

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              • Chris B.C Online
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                Will Jordan gone with covid!!!

                Now it's getting serious!

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                  Crusaders first five-eighth Richie Mo'unga was also absent from Tuesday training with a tummy bug. He may recover in time but, if not, Blues playmaker Stephen Perofeta could be called onto the bench to make his test debut.

                  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/rugby-will-jordan-the-latest-all-blacks-star-to-test-positive-for-covid-19-ahead-of-ireland-test/BZJLFNMHC4FBI6KGWFHH4IXESM/

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                  • Chris B.C Online
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                    #120

                    On the plus side - the stuff article says Jordan was one of only three ABs who hadn't already had covid - and they're taking extra precautions with the other two - so hopefully we're not going to lose a whole wave of players.

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                      I'd much rather see Leicester on the bench than Ennor.

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                        The players usually share a room too, so hopefully those already confirmed as positive are/were roommates.

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                          if R Ioane goes down we are fucked. Proper fucked.

                          Unless there is this amazing new attacking pattern to unlock the ability of the lessor skilled backline members.

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                            if R Ioane goes down we are fucked. Proper fucked.

                            Unless there is this amazing new attacking pattern to unlock the ability of the lessor skilled backline members.

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                            @mariner4life said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

                            if R Ioane goes down we are fucked. Proper fucked.

                            Unless there is this amazing new attacking pattern to unlock the ability of the lessor skilled backline members.

                            That was announced this year, the new way to break open rush defences. Surely it will not be try to fling it wide really fast still? I mean hasn't worked since 2017

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                            • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

                              if R Ioane goes down we are fucked. Proper fucked.

                              Unless there is this amazing new attacking pattern to unlock the ability of the lessor skilled backline members.

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                              @mariner4life just made a tricky series opener, more spicy...

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                              • Chris B.C Chris B.

                                Will Jordan gone with covid!!!

                                Now it's getting serious!

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                                @Chris-B said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

                                Will Jordan gone with covid!!!

                                Now it's getting serious!

                                Thought he'd be able to outpace it. Disappointed.

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                                  Have Waikato been asked to urgently arrange a match against a neighbour so that DMac can run on for 10 minutes?
                                  Surely 'special circumstances' apply when your squad is decimated.

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                                  • CrucialC Crucial

                                    Have Waikato been asked to urgently arrange a match against a neighbour so that DMac can run on for 10 minutes?
                                    Surely 'special circumstances' apply when your squad is decimated.

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                                    @Crucial said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

                                    Have Waikato been asked to urgently arrange a match against a neighbour so that DMac can run on for 10 minutes?
                                    Surely 'special circumstances' apply when your squad is decimated.

                                    Got both tens, and it is not even decimated in the traditional sense, yet.

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                                      @Chris-B said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

                                      Will Jordan gone with covid!!!

                                      Now it's getting serious!

                                      Thought he'd be able to outpace it. Disappointed.

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                                      @Frank said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

                                      @Chris-B said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

                                      Will Jordan gone with covid!!!

                                      Now it's getting serious!

                                      Thought he'd be able to outpace it. Disappointed.

                                      Longer than everyone but 2 in the squad. AMazing how fat fozzie managed it for so long, just behind Jordan! 😛

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                                        @Duluth If all the mentioned players are out then you might see something like this:

                                        1 Ross
                                        2 Taylor
                                        3 Laulala
                                        4 Retallick
                                        5 Whitelock
                                        6 Ioane
                                        7 Cane
                                        8 Savea
                                        9 Christie
                                        10 Barrett
                                        11 Clarke
                                        12 RTS
                                        13 Ioane
                                        14 Reece
                                        15 Perofeta

                                        16 Taukei'aho
                                        17 Tu'inukuafe
                                        18 Tu'ungafasi
                                        19 Barrett
                                        20 Papalii
                                        21 Fakatava
                                        22 Mo'unga
                                        23 Fainga'anuku

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                                        @Tim said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

                                        @Duluth If all the mentioned players are out then you might see something like this:

                                        1 Ross
                                        2 Taylor
                                        3 Laulala
                                        4 Retallick
                                        5 Whitelock
                                        6 Ioane
                                        7 Cane
                                        8 Savea
                                        9 Christie
                                        10 Barrett
                                        11 Clarke
                                        12 RTS
                                        13 Ioane
                                        14 Reece
                                        15 Perofeta

                                        16 Taukei'aho
                                        17 Tu'inukuafe
                                        18 Tu'ungafasi
                                        19 Barrett
                                        20 Papalii
                                        21 Fakatava
                                        22 Mo'unga
                                        23 Fainga'anuku

                                        This lineup starting to look very close. I would swap the hookers around starting/bench altough it's still possible Bower is there over Ross.
                                        Would loosehead/hooker combos be the way to go?

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                                        • CrucialC Crucial

                                          @Tim said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

                                          @Duluth If all the mentioned players are out then you might see something like this:

                                          1 Ross
                                          2 Taylor
                                          3 Laulala
                                          4 Retallick
                                          5 Whitelock
                                          6 Ioane
                                          7 Cane
                                          8 Savea
                                          9 Christie
                                          10 Barrett
                                          11 Clarke
                                          12 RTS
                                          13 Ioane
                                          14 Reece
                                          15 Perofeta

                                          16 Taukei'aho
                                          17 Tu'inukuafe
                                          18 Tu'ungafasi
                                          19 Barrett
                                          20 Papalii
                                          21 Fakatava
                                          22 Mo'unga
                                          23 Fainga'anuku

                                          This lineup starting to look very close. I would swap the hookers around starting/bench altough it's still possible Bower is there over Ross.
                                          Would loosehead/hooker combos be the way to go?

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                                          @Crucial said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

                                          @Tim said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

                                          @Duluth If all the mentioned players are out then you might see something like this:

                                          1 Ross
                                          2 Taylor
                                          3 Laulala
                                          4 Retallick
                                          5 Whitelock
                                          6 Ioane
                                          7 Cane
                                          8 Savea
                                          9 Christie
                                          10 Barrett
                                          11 Clarke
                                          12 RTS
                                          13 Ioane
                                          14 Reece
                                          15 Perofeta

                                          16 Taukei'aho
                                          17 Tu'inukuafe
                                          18 Tu'ungafasi
                                          19 Barrett
                                          20 Papalii
                                          21 Fakatava
                                          22 Mo'unga
                                          23 Fainga'anuku

                                          This lineup starting to look very close. I would swap the hookers around starting/bench altough it's still possible Bower is there over Ross.
                                          Would loosehead/hooker combos be the way to go?

                                          Can’t do that, would break the rule that if you have a ‘ in your name you gotta be on the bench

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