All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test
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That is just dumb as fuck. For a start he was coming from the side, some refs might ping him for that, there was no chance of getting the ball so don't take the risk, and he led with his head and shoulder to a guy crouched down.
@Nepia was it a red card? no
Was it a YC? I'd say pen only, but the way the game is now, then probably a YC
Was it necessary? No
Was it stupid? yes
Has he done it before? yesThe last 2 are key for me, stupid, and he has done it before, more than once.
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That is just dumb as fuck. For a start he was coming from the side, some refs might ping him for that, there was no chance of getting the ball so don't take the risk, and he led with his head and shoulder to a guy crouched down.
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
That is just dumb as fuck. For a start he was coming from the side, some refs might ping him for that, there was no chance of getting the ball so don't take the risk, and he led with his head and shoulder to a guy crouched down.
He is early and comes from side. So clear penalty - that’s a matter of timing.
The guy crouched down is like every other close to the line situation. If you want to get into a dominant position with tackle, when defending close to the line with players leaving maul in low positions or diving in, then it’s all about initiating and winning the contact. That’s just rugby.
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@nzzp said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
further to my Scott Barrett point, check this out - right at the end of the game
https://www.reddit.com/r/rugbyunion/comments/vpno6v/scott_owes_the_nz_tv_directors_a_beer_they_saw/
Again Shoulder to Shoulder. SB is making his move as soon as the player picks up the ball - both in a crouched position. If you were to replay every contact close the the line you would so a lot of this. It’s rugby.
@kev said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@nzzp said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
further to my Scott Barrett point, check this out - right at the end of the game
https://www.reddit.com/r/rugbyunion/comments/vpno6v/scott_owes_the_nz_tv_directors_a_beer_they_saw/
Again Shoulder to Shoulder. SB is making his move as soon as the player picks up the ball - both in a crouched position. If you were to replay every contact close the the line you would so a lot of this. It’s rugby.
So apt against Ireland
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@kev I'd want to see other angles, but the first contact looks to me like Scott gets him in the back of the head?
Only a graze if that. Clearly contact is solidly shoulder to shoulder. You are not going to win contact on the line without hitting hard with the shoulder. No doubt it’s risky if the ball carrier is bent with head down. But in that situation getting shoulder to shoulder contact is the way to win the contact.
@kev I'd want to see some other angles, because the first one often doesn't show a proper picture - but, you can't really risk even minimal initial contact with the head.
On the plus side, Marius likes to be involved, so you'd imagine he would've had a few looks at different angles in his TMO box.
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@Nepia said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
That is just dumb as fuck. For a start he was coming from the side, some refs might ping him for that, there was no chance of getting the ball so don't take the risk, and he led with his head and shoulder to a guy crouched down.
He is early and comes from side. So clear penalty - that’s a matter of timing.
The guy crouched down is like every other close to the line situation. If you want to get into a dominant position with tackle, when defending close to the line with players leaving maul in low positions or diving in, then it’s all about initiating and winning the contact. That’s just rugby.
@kev I don't even believe your shoulder to shoulder claim based on that footage, as @chris-b states we need to see more footage.
I'm not going to G&GR it because I'm too lazy, but if you pause it at 20 seconds it's shoulder hitting head.
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@kev I don't even believe your shoulder to shoulder claim based on that footage, as @chris-b states we need to see more footage.
I'm not going to G&GR it because I'm too lazy, but if you pause it at 20 seconds it's shoulder hitting head.
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@kev I don't even believe your shoulder to shoulder claim based on that footage, as @chris-b states we need to see more footage.
I'm not going to G&GR it because I'm too lazy, but if you pause it at 20 seconds it's shoulder hitting head.
Whatever it was, it was reckless and ineffective, almost all of the potential outcomes were going to be bad. The fact that SB put his hands up apologetically so fast suggests to me that he knew he could be in a spot of bother
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The whinging in the replies to that tweet are absolutely delicious
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
The whinging in the replies to that tweet are absolutely delicious
It seems to be a national characteristic.
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@kev I don't even believe your shoulder to shoulder claim based on that footage, as @chris-b states we need to see more footage.
I'm not going to G&GR it because I'm too lazy, but if you pause it at 20 seconds it's shoulder hitting head.
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@kev I don't even believe your shoulder to shoulder claim based on that footage, as @chris-b states we need to see more footage.
I'm not going to G&GR it because I'm too lazy, but if you pause it at 20 seconds it's shoulder hitting head.
It’s a graze, then the shoulder hits the shoulder and the guy goes backward.
So understand all the points about risk with head contact. You can see the ABs have worked really hard - everyone crouching, arms low, trying to do the right thing.
What Scott Barrett gets criticised for quite rightly is when he has got it wrong. But the thing that makes him good is he looking to be dominant and putting himself in situations to do so.Just in this situation, I think close to the line it’s incredibly tough - lots of shoulder to shoulder stuff.
Away from the line, in general tackle situations with guys with time, generally up right and moving with a lot more momentum then fair call.
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@kev said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@nzzp said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
further to my Scott Barrett point, check this out - right at the end of the game
https://www.reddit.com/r/rugbyunion/comments/vpno6v/scott_owes_the_nz_tv_directors_a_beer_they_saw/
Again Shoulder to Shoulder. SB is making his move as soon as the player picks up the ball - both in a crouched position. If you were to replay every contact close the the line you would so a lot of this. It’s rugby.
I think Red Barrett was saved by the Irish dude ducking his head. Ducking his head to avoid the shoulder that is. He could've taken one for his team and had Red Barrett sent off and sitting on the sidelines for a few weeks.
@Toddy said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@kev said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@nzzp said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
further to my Scott Barrett point, check this out - right at the end of the game
https://www.reddit.com/r/rugbyunion/comments/vpno6v/scott_owes_the_nz_tv_directors_a_beer_they_saw/
Again Shoulder to Shoulder. SB is making his move as soon as the player picks up the ball - both in a crouched position. If you were to replay every contact close the the line you would so a lot of this. It’s rugby.
I think Red Barrett was saved by the Irish dude ducking his head. Ducking his head to avoid the shoulder that is. He could've taken one for his team and had Red Barrett sent off and sitting on the sidelines for a few weeks.
Your right, if he hadn’t ducked then I think Scott would have had an issue. He was early and in from the side. Still stuff to work on for him.
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@Toddy said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@kev said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@nzzp said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
further to my Scott Barrett point, check this out - right at the end of the game
https://www.reddit.com/r/rugbyunion/comments/vpno6v/scott_owes_the_nz_tv_directors_a_beer_they_saw/
Again Shoulder to Shoulder. SB is making his move as soon as the player picks up the ball - both in a crouched position. If you were to replay every contact close the the line you would so a lot of this. It’s rugby.
I think Red Barrett was saved by the Irish dude ducking his head. Ducking his head to avoid the shoulder that is. He could've taken one for his team and had Red Barrett sent off and sitting on the sidelines for a few weeks.
Your right, if he hadn’t ducked then I think Scott would have had an issue. He was early and in from the side. Still stuff to work on for him.
@kev said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@Toddy said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@kev said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@nzzp said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
further to my Scott Barrett point, check this out - right at the end of the game
https://www.reddit.com/r/rugbyunion/comments/vpno6v/scott_owes_the_nz_tv_directors_a_beer_they_saw/
Again Shoulder to Shoulder. SB is making his move as soon as the player picks up the ball - both in a crouched position. If you were to replay every contact close the the line you would so a lot of this. It’s rugby.
I think Red Barrett was saved by the Irish dude ducking his head. Ducking his head to avoid the shoulder that is. He could've taken one for his team and had Red Barrett sent off and sitting on the sidelines for a few weeks.
Your right, if he hadn’t ducked then I think Scott would have had an issue. He was early and in from the side. Still stuff to work on for him.
Just like his brothers before him, needs to work on stamping out the brain farts. Otherwise generally played well
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How come last year or two we have been underpowered in the forwards playing SA, France, Ireland with the bulk of the forwards the same as today. Taylor, Ofa, SW, BBBR, Sam C, Ardie, ScoBa.
This time they were great. Loved the error free play and ball retention.Sam Whitelock deserves a knighthood
Think we should bring in a next gen prop to give experience Newell, Norris
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
How come last year or two we have been underpowered in the forwards playing SA, France, Ireland with the bulk of the forwards the same as today. Taylor, Ofa, SW, BBBR, Sam C, Ardie, ScoBa.
This time they were great. Loved the error free play and ball retention.Sam Whitelock deserves a knighthood
Think we should bring in a next gen prop to give experience Newell, Norris
It’s called sport
Sometimes it’s your night and sometimes it’s not.
Sure I want it to be our night every night, but I’m not 15yo anymore where I think it’s an injustice or some world shattering event when it’s not.
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@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
How come last year or two we have been underpowered in the forwards playing SA, France, Ireland with the bulk of the forwards the same as today. Taylor, Ofa, SW, BBBR, Sam C, Ardie, ScoBa.
This time they were great. Loved the error free play and ball retention.Sam Whitelock deserves a knighthood
Think we should bring in a next gen prop to give experience Newell, Norris
It’s called sport
Sometimes it’s your night and sometimes it’s not.
Sure I want it to be our night every night, but I’m not 15yo anymore where I think it’s an injustice or some world shattering event when it’s not.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
Sure I want it to be our night every night, but I’m not 15yo anymore where I think it’s an injustice or some world shattering event when it’s not.
Where's the fun in that?
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@Nepia said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@kev I don't even believe your shoulder to shoulder claim based on that footage, as @chris-b states we need to see more footage.
I'm not going to G&GR it because I'm too lazy, but if you pause it at 20 seconds it's shoulder hitting head.
It’s a graze, then the shoulder hits the shoulder and the guy goes backward.
So understand all the points about risk with head contact. You can see the ABs have worked really hard - everyone crouching, arms low, trying to do the right thing.
What Scott Barrett gets criticised for quite rightly is when he has got it wrong. But the thing that makes him good is he looking to be dominant and putting himself in situations to do so.Just in this situation, I think close to the line it’s incredibly tough - lots of shoulder to shoulder stuff.
Away from the line, in general tackle situations with guys with time, generally up right and moving with a lot more momentum then fair call.
@kev Yeah - next RWC is going to be interesting in a crap-shoot sort of way.
To win, you're probably going to have to play hard, dominate the collisions - but, that runs greater risk of something going horribly wrong and playing 60 minutes with 14 men. But, if you button off a bit and lose the collisions - if something doesn't go wrong for the opposition you're going to find yourself on the plane home.
Having a few little oompa-loompas in the team, who will attract high shots from giant locks might be a valuable commodity!
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@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
How come last year or two we have been underpowered in the forwards playing SA, France, Ireland with the bulk of the forwards the same as today. Taylor, Ofa, SW, BBBR, Sam C, Ardie, ScoBa.
This time they were great. Loved the error free play and ball retention.Sam Whitelock deserves a knighthood
Think we should bring in a next gen prop to give experience Newell, Norris
It’s called sport
Sometimes it’s your night and sometimes it’s not.
Sure I want it to be our night every night, but I’m not 15yo anymore where I think it’s an injustice or some world shattering event when it’s not.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
How come last year or two we have been underpowered in the forwards playing SA, France, Ireland with the bulk of the forwards the same as today. Taylor, Ofa, SW, BBBR, Sam C, Ardie, ScoBa.
This time they were great. Loved the error free play and ball retention.Sam Whitelock deserves a knighthood
Think we should bring in a next gen prop to give experience Newell, Norris
It’s called sport
Sometimes it’s your night and sometimes it’s not.
Sure I want it to be our night every night, but I’m not 15yo anymore where I think it’s an injustice or some world shattering event when it’s not.
Maybe the players and coaches were mentally and physically tired after a stressful covid19 affected season. We never really fired on the NHEOYT and the coaches weren't able to flip the script. Last night we played like a team that had a point to prove. Hopefully they can follow up next weekend
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@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
How come last year or two we have been underpowered in the forwards playing SA, France, Ireland with the bulk of the forwards the same as today. Taylor, Ofa, SW, BBBR, Sam C, Ardie, ScoBa.
This time they were great. Loved the error free play and ball retention.Sam Whitelock deserves a knighthood
Think we should bring in a next gen prop to give experience Newell, Norris
It’s called sport
Sometimes it’s your night and sometimes it’s not.
Sure I want it to be our night every night, but I’m not 15yo anymore where I think it’s an injustice or some world shattering event when it’s not.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
How come last year or two we have been underpowered in the forwards playing SA, France, Ireland with the bulk of the forwards the same as today. Taylor, Ofa, SW, BBBR, Sam C, Ardie, ScoBa.
This time they were great. Loved the error free play and ball retention.Sam Whitelock deserves a knighthood
Think we should bring in a next gen prop to give experience Newell, Norris
It’s called sport
Sometimes it’s your night and sometimes it’s not.
Sure I want it to be our night every night, but I’m not 15yo anymore where I think it’s an injustice or some world shattering event when it’s not.
I’ve said it many times I’m convinced the northern hemisphere tour was an aberration given the challenges, very long tour away from home, mental/physical fatigue, being cooped up in hotels in nth hemisphere due to COVID restrictions etc.
I actually think it made the squad stronger, more resilient and it was proven in the disrupted lead up.
I reckon we’ll clean sweep the Irish. We’re at our most vulnerable in the first test of the July series and historically only gotten stronger as combinations improve.
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
Sure I want it to be our night every night, but I’m not 15yo anymore where I think it’s an injustice or some world shattering event when it’s not.
Where's the fun in that?
@Donsteppa said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
Sure I want it to be our night every night, but I’m not 15yo anymore where I think it’s an injustice or some world shattering event when it’s not.
Where's the fun in that?
Spent too much on the psychologist after the 95 RWC loss to go back now
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@kev Yeah - next RWC is going to be interesting in a crap-shoot sort of way.
To win, you're probably going to have to play hard, dominate the collisions - but, that runs greater risk of something going horribly wrong and playing 60 minutes with 14 men. But, if you button off a bit and lose the collisions - if something doesn't go wrong for the opposition you're going to find yourself on the plane home.
Having a few little oompa-loompas in the team, who will attract high shots from giant locks might be a valuable commodity!
@Chris-B said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
Having a few little oompa-loompas in the team, who will attract high shots from giant locks might be a valuable commodity!
DMac the saviour
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
Having a few little oompa-loompas in the team, who will attract high shots from giant locks might be a valuable commodity!
DMac the saviour
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
Having a few little oompa-loompas in the team, who will attract high shots from giant locks might be a valuable commodity!
DMac the saviour
Didn’t he get red carded?
