All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test
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My take is that if Patty T gets through training and demonstrates he has the fitness then he’s on the bench. Dickson is match fit ready to go if he’s not.
Frizell is for training purposes only as they’ll need a blindside to run against the starters with Barrett moving to lock for training and PGS or Papali’i will run with the starters at 6. All assuming Ioane is not doing full contact training
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:
Quinten Strange won't be far away.
Fozzie has picked him previously, he got injured before getting a game.
Never seen him stand out at Super level. Seems hyped.
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Under the 12-day World Rugby stand down protocols, Whitelock is now expected to be unavailable for the remainder of the series.
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@Duluth Lord was ruled out a few days after squad naming wasnt he?
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Duluth Lord was ruled out a few days after squad naming wasnt he?
Jeez so we go from 3 locks in the starting XV, to having to bring a player straight from Japan on the bench!
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Under the 12-day World Rugby stand down protocols, Whitelock is now expected to be unavailable for the remainder of the series.
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@Frank You're picking Gallagher above, but once Quinten was fit again for the Crusaders, Razor picked him as the bench lock for the Super final.
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Actually curious that given we had three locks also play in the MAB team (2 starting and one reserve) who also played well that none were considered
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@Crucial you still have to enter the ruck through the gate, like the Irish player is…SB has just walked up to the side or the ruck and touched it
He’s either bound legally but entered illegally or he’s not bound and offside
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Crucial you still have to enter the ruck through the gate, like the Irish player is…SB has just walked up to the side or the ruck and touched it
He’s either bound legally but entered illegally or he’s not bound and offside
Must be a Taranaki gate
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Whitelock is a big out for us given his high tackle rate and the fact he’s an 80 minute player. Assuming Ioane is still out I think we have to play Papali’i at 6 as a high workrate option.
Although I wonder if Fozzie is thinking of throwing Patty T straight into the starting lineup and leaving Barrett at blindside. Get 40-50 minutes out of Patty T and then bring on the impact?
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From Stuff: (I have corrected their typo).
Highlanders Josh Dickson and Shannon Frizell are training with the All Blacks but are not part of the official squad.
@Bovidae said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:
From Stuff: (I have corrected their typo).
Highlanders Josh Dickson and Shannon Frizell are training with the All Blacks but are not part of the official squad.
Well that f-ing sucks, that Frizell is still in the equation - I'd rather they bring in Grace, Jacobson or MMT.
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:
From Stuff: (I have corrected their typo).
Highlanders Josh Dickson and Shannon Frizell are training with the All Blacks but are not part of the official squad.
Well that f-ing sucks, that Frizell is still in the equation - I'd rather they bring in Grace, Jacobson or MMT.
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@Nepia Grace would be prepping for the Maori match and given they are down south they just need someone to run so went with a local that knows the stuff to run against the starters.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Nepia Grace would be prepping for the Maori match and given they are down south they just need someone to run so went with a local that knows the stuff to run against the starters.
Dickson is in the same boat with the Maori. And for the local, I covered that with the part local MMT.
I actually wouldn't be surprised if he was selected to start at 6 this week. Angry yep.
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Whitelock is a big out for us given his high tackle rate and the fact he’s an 80 minute player. Assuming Ioane is still out I think we have to play Papali’i at 6 as a high workrate option.
Although I wonder if Fozzie is thinking of throwing Patty T straight into the starting lineup and leaving Barrett at blindside. Get 40-50 minutes out of Patty T and then bring on the impact?
@ACT-Crusader Pat T & Brodie...yikes.
But yeah, this probably forces some shuffling in the lock / loosie dept.
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Nepia Grace would be prepping for the Maori match and given they are down south they just need someone to run so went with a local that knows the stuff to run against the starters.
Dickson is in the same boat with the Maori. And for the local, I covered that with the part local MMT.
I actually wouldn't be surprised if he was selected to start at 6 this week. Angry yep.
@Nepia said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Nepia Grace would be prepping for the Maori match and given they are down south they just need someone to run so went with a local that knows the stuff to run against the starters.
Dickson is in the same boat with the Maori. And for the local, I covered that with the part local MMT.
I actually wouldn't be surprised if he was selected to start at 6 this week. Angry yep.
I think Big Peter Gus will be starting now.
But, if something happens to him in the next few days - and assuming Akira's foot isn't 100% then Shannon is another big body and familiar with the systems.
So, "training with the squad but not part of it".
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In another twist, Dickson, who represented the New Zealand Māori against Ireland in their victory in Hamilton last week, is training with his phone on as his wife is expecting their child.
I wonder whether the MABs have brought in an extra lock as cover for Dickon?
https://www.1news.co.nz/2022/07/05/more-disruptions-for-all-blacks-as-sam-whitelock-ruled-out/
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Whitelock nearly took out Retallick with friendly fire to his eye, so it could have been much worse.
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Since Sam is out, Scott needs to move back into lock. Patty T coming back from Japan should be slimmer and fitter than when he left which should help his ability to get around the park for 25-30mins if required.
If Akira's foot precludes him, I'd expect they'll look to have a backrow of Gus, Cane, Ardie.
None of this is ideal, we seem to be doing our best to give Ireland more than a fighting chance.
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@Nepia said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Nepia Grace would be prepping for the Maori match and given they are down south they just need someone to run so went with a local that knows the stuff to run against the starters.
Dickson is in the same boat with the Maori. And for the local, I covered that with the part local MMT.
I actually wouldn't be surprised if he was selected to start at 6 this week. Angry yep.
I think Big Peter Gus will be starting now.
But, if something happens to him in the next few days - and assuming Akira's foot isn't 100% then Shannon is another big body and familiar with the systems.
So, "training with the squad but not part of it".
@Chris-B said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Nepia said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Nepia Grace would be prepping for the Maori match and given they are down south they just need someone to run so went with a local that knows the stuff to run against the starters.
Dickson is in the same boat with the Maori. And for the local, I covered that with the part local MMT.
I actually wouldn't be surprised if he was selected to start at 6 this week. Angry yep.
I think Big Peter Gus will be starting now.
But, if something happens to him in the next few days - and assuming Akira's foot isn't 100% then Shannon is another big body and familiar with the systems.
So, "training with the squad but not part of it".
I don't think being a big body and familiar with the systems really matters if your boy is hopeless at using his big body and is average within in the system.
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In another twist, Dickson, who represented the New Zealand Māori against Ireland in their victory in Hamilton last week, is training with his phone on as his wife is expecting their child.
I wonder whether the MABs have brought in an extra lock as cover for Dickon?
https://www.1news.co.nz/2022/07/05/more-disruptions-for-all-blacks-as-sam-whitelock-ruled-out/
@Stargazer Who? MSR would start with Hicks on the bench.
