All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test
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@junior said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
Ofa is cooked but we can’t replace him
Ofa doing a great impression of Lauaki in 2008 tonight
His offside was purely technical as nowhere near the ball.
AS OPPOSED to forward who out hands on ball in ruck but deemed OK because they comply when ref calls for hands off.
Arguably ought still to be 10-7...
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@Victor-Meldrew The diagram on the right is a better illustration of what’s going on in Foster’s head and the lack of direction in the all blacks.
@broughie said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Victor-Meldrew The diagram on the right is a better illustration of what’s going on in Foster’s head and the lack of direction in the all blacks.
Maybe. I imagine inside his head is a diagram with lots of black lines staying in their own half.
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I'm still so angry how hugely our forward pack got rolled tonight.
Even before the cards that some will use as excuses for their favourites
A Savea was shown for his complete lack of physicality
DP was completely invisible.
Scott Barrett missed two assignments that led to points
The front row who weren't Bower sucked (Bower was really good and I'm becoming a huge fan)
Yes Ofa fucked everything but it was shit. The lineout was predictable. The scrum was scratchy
PGS is not good enough to be a test player and it's a disgrace he gets a jersey.
We need new leadership
Been saying for a while and Its become pretty obvious that the ABs pack over the last 4 years have an issue with consistently producing quality performance week after week.
It’s only when they have been embarrassed that the produce a performance. Then settle back to mediocre standards.
What’s not clear is the reason why, but everyone one involved must accept responsibility. Maybe it really is just a case that we aren’t very good.
It’s pretty uncomfortable viewing seeing how well drilled this Ireland team is compared to the ABs. Huge gulf in how they are prepared in my view.
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Been saying for a while and Its become pretty obvious that the ABs pack over the last 4 years have an issue with consistently producing quality performance week after week.
It’s only when they have been embarrassed that the produce a performance. Then settle back to mediocre standards.
What’s not clear is the reason why, but everyone one involved must accept responsibility. Maybe it really is just a case that we aren’t very good.
It’s pretty uncomfortable viewing seeing how well drilled this Ireland team is compared to the ABs. Huge gulf in how they are prepared in my view.
@DaGrubster their running lines are so much more direct, at pace and at different angles. We are boring in comparison and bereft of ideas.
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@DaGrubster their running lines are so much more direct, at pace and at different angles. We are boring in comparison and bereft of ideas.
Yup, it’s light years from what we are producing.
It’s impressive to watch and they are a truly modern rugby side. On the other hand the AB’s are still playing yesterdays game.
It struck me that watching the game today, it was a bit like watching klopp’s Liverpool run rings around Ole’s Man U.
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Been saying for a while and Its become pretty obvious that the ABs pack over the last 4 years have an issue with consistently producing quality performance week after week.
It’s only when they have been embarrassed that the produce a performance. Then settle back to mediocre standards.
What’s not clear is the reason why, but everyone one involved must accept responsibility. Maybe it really is just a case that we aren’t very good.
It’s pretty uncomfortable viewing seeing how well drilled this Ireland team is compared to the ABs. Huge gulf in how they are prepared in my view.
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
It’s only when they have been embarrassed that the produce a performance. Then settle back to mediocre standards.
In which case it can't be just the tactics, quality of players or skill levels - it seems to indicate a head-space or culture thing and/or performing under pressure.
Maybe Foster is acutely aware of this but just isn't able to change it. A big clear-out sometimes works but a bit tricky this side of the RWC and we don't have the depth of cattle instantly available. Dumping Foster isn't the answer on it's own either.
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@mikedogz said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
I learnt today that the TMO has an assistant TMO and they have 11 screens to look at. Club ref today said he got to sit in room.
Who monitors the performance of TMO, and what plays he chooses to highlight? This is becoming a game changing issue.
@pakman said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@mikedogz said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
I learnt today that the TMO has an assistant TMO and they have 11 screens to look at. Club ref today said he got to sit in room.
Who monitors the performance of TMO, and what plays he chooses to highlight? This is becoming a game changing issue.
Foster references TMO telling ref of penalty in first lineout, not given, which led to first try. For instance.
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As an Allblacks supporter this is a mind fuck ,
I’ve been wanting to support this current coaching set up , just because I want the Allblacks to succeed not because I like or dislike any of them,
But I’m convinced now we need a reset from the top, and the only way that happens if we lose more games and I can’t bring myself to hope we lose .
If we win next week and we keep the bledisloe, foster survives imo even if the rugby is still shit . And we will meander down the same path towards the World Cup .
But can you imagine the backlash if we lose next week and then we fuck up the bledisloe? Nz will go into meltdown.
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@DaGrubster said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
It’s only when they have been embarrassed that the produce a performance. Then settle back to mediocre standards.
In which case it can't be just the tactics, quality of players or skill levels - it seems to indicate a head-space or culture thing and/or performing under pressure.
Maybe Foster is acutely aware of this but just isn't able to change it. A big clear-out sometimes works but a bit tricky this side of the RWC and we don't have the depth of cattle instantly available. Dumping Foster isn't the answer on it's own either.
Yes I agree, the holy grail of any professional - sport or otherwise is to consistently produce high quality work.
This was happening under Hansen, a couple of losses then were followed by very good performances.
NZR is not an elite high performance organisation which is being mirrored across most of their brands - ABs, black ferns, mens 7’s.
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@DaGrubster said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
It’s only when they have been embarrassed that the produce a performance. Then settle back to mediocre standards.
In which case it can't be just the tactics, quality of players or skill levels - it seems to indicate a head-space or culture thing and/or performing under pressure.
Maybe Foster is acutely aware of this but just isn't able to change it. A big clear-out sometimes works but a bit tricky this side of the RWC and we don't have the depth of cattle instantly available. Dumping Foster isn't the answer on it's own either.
@Victor-Meldrew Mostly disagree noting your disclaimer that he is not the only problem. Dumping him would be the smart thing to do though. We know he does not have the goods and the World Cup is pretty much a goner under his leadership. So what’s the purpose of holding on to him and the rest of the crew? Better to blood someone new with fresh eyes and see what can be done to salvage this mess.
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As an Allblacks supporter this is a mind fuck ,
I’ve been wanting to support this current coaching set up , just because I want the Allblacks to succeed not because I like or dislike any of them,
But I’m convinced now we need a reset from the top, and the only way that happens if we lose more games and I can’t bring myself to hope we lose .
If we win next week and we keep the bledisloe, foster survives imo even if the rugby is still shit . And we will meander down the same path towards the World Cup .
But can you imagine the backlash if we lose next week and then we fuck up the bledisloe? Nz will go into meltdown.
@kiwiinmelb yeah but what if we fluke a world cup...
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@kiwiinmelb yeah but what if we fluke a world cup...
@Bones said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@kiwiinmelb yeah but what if we fluke a world cup...
That changes everything and it is still possible because we can still beat anyone on our day ,
but does anyone believe we are travelling down the best possible path to achieve that ?
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@kiwiinmelb yeah but what if we fluke a world cup...
@Bones said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@kiwiinmelb yeah but what if we fluke a world cup...
Can't see that happening, you can't get lucky 7? games in a row vs quality sides. Wales just beat SA, so in reality this WC will be the most competitive. I hate to say it but Ireland, Wales, France, England and SA are all capable of beating us at the moment. For us to win the WC we need more than luck.
Hell even Aus and Argentina based in last night's performance could be an issue.
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@Bones said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@kiwiinmelb yeah but what if we fluke a world cup...
That changes everything and it is still possible because we can still beat anyone on our day ,
but does anyone believe we are travelling down the best possible path to achieve that ?
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As an Allblacks supporter this is a mind fuck ,
I’ve been wanting to support this current coaching set up , just because I want the Allblacks to succeed not because I like or dislike any of them,
But I’m convinced now we need a reset from the top, and the only way that happens if we lose more games and I can’t bring myself to hope we lose .
If we win next week and we keep the bledisloe, foster survives imo even if the rugby is still shit . And we will meander down the same path towards the World Cup .
But can you imagine the backlash if we lose next week and then we fuck up the bledisloe? Nz will go into meltdown.
@kiwiinmelb I cannot see us winning next week bar us wetting all of our powder.
We are clueless, we still have no idea how to deal with the rush defence...we kick largely aimlessly, we attack the same channel again and again while thier defence simply presses up and smothers us over and over, until we drop the ball or kick the ball.
Some selection issues, I think largely the team is there and is good enough (but age is definitely a factor) the coaches seem to lack the ability to read the game and use subs accordingly.
Then there is the rules around accidental head contacts, I absolutely get the need to protect the head, but accidental head contacts do not warrant a red card, they should be for filth acts..
And then there is the ridiculous rule that saw Ardie go off too, I didn't know that one, but leaving that aside, what is the point of the rule? Why is he not even allowed to be subbed back later?
Sure the fact we are average as hell at present is a factor, but I really don't enjoy watching much rugby beyond club footy or Northland like i used to (although I have a love hate issue there too, but it is different...)
I actually am not that bothered we lost, we didnt deserve it, we simply have no idea at present, whereas years gone by I'd be pissed off.
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@Victor-Meldrew Mostly disagree noting your disclaimer that he is not the only problem. Dumping him would be the smart thing to do though. We know he does not have the goods and the World Cup is pretty much a goner under his leadership. So what’s the purpose of holding on to him and the rest of the crew? Better to blood someone new with fresh eyes and see what can be done to salvage this mess.
@broughie said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Victor-Meldrew Mostly disagree noting your disclaimer that he is not the only problem. Dumping him would be the smart thing to do though. We know he does not have the goods and the World Cup is pretty much a goner under his leadership. So what’s the purpose of holding on to him and the rest of the crew? Better to blood someone new with fresh eyes and see what can be done to salvage this mess.
He may not be the biggest problem and, on it's own, getting rid of him might simply delay facing up to, or obscure, the real root cause of poor performance. Let's not simply shift deckchairs a la Titanic and avoid facing up to the real issues. Probably better to actually understand where and what the mess is before deciding on who should fix it. And no, that's not a Foster endorsement.
At times we play bloody well and the next week we are crap. One week our tactics are great, the next they aren't, one week Leicester is great, the next he isn't. It's simplistic to put all that down to one man.
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@kiwiinmelb don’t think it is possible. Based on our recent hx we might win 2 then lose one which is Fosters percentage. I don’t think we can beat any team on our day let alone 3 good teams in a row.
@broughie said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@kiwiinmelb don’t think it is possible. Based on our recent hx we might win 2 then lose one which is Fosters percentage. I don’t think we can beat any team on our day let alone 3 good teams in a row.
I still think we can beat anyone on our day , we beat Ireland last week , we beat South Africa last year , maybe a question mark over France , but agree we can’t maintain a consistency to win 3 big games in successive weeks . I can’t see that happening right now for sure .
