All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test
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@Machpants
Accepting being shit is the first step at staying shit. I won't shrug my shoulders because we lost to a team that lost to a team that is likely to win the RWC. If 4thwas overachieving then I'd celebrate it, but is not. It's underachieving with some very obvious causes.@mofitzy_ said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Machpants
Accepting being shit is the first step at staying shit. I won't shrug my shoulders because we lost to a team that lost to a team that is likely to win the RWC. If 4thwas overachieving then I'd celebrate it, but is not. It's underachieving with some very obvious causes.I don't accept it, but It is a fact, the ABs are shit. They are that bad under foster. So a loss to Ireland, who lost to France, didn't put us further down the totem pole, it confirms where we are. And where will stay until foster finally fucks off after the RWC, any coach would do better.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
as it always seems a loosie goes off, I assumed it was a rule whereby a forward had to leave.
Yeah but like I said, who's the ref to say who's a forward and who's a back? That would be weird.
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@pukunui said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
It should have been Dalton that wasn’t allowed back on because he was the one that went off to allow AT on
That doesn't sound right. Discard the yellow that DP came on for. Pretend it didn't happen. Ardie goes off for the red and isn't replaced. Isn't it that simple?
@Bones said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@pukunui said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
It should have been Dalton that wasn’t allowed back on because he was the one that went off to allow AT on
That doesn't sound right. Discard the yellow that DP came on for. Pretend it didn't happen. Ardie goes off for the red and isn't replaced. Isn't it that simple?
Yeah I don’t know. Just repeating what i read.
I guess maybe because the guy DP “swapped” with was AT not Ofa. AT gets red therefore can never “swap back”.Hopefully they clarify it because it is all pretty confusing.
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@pakman said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
Calls for HIA?
Or officials working out if Ardie can stay on...
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Where is the mongrel gone?
Big carries like Kaino dragging two or three and pumping the legs.
McCaw in Hong Kong swatting away Aussies in a 40 meter barrel run.
All we have now is Retallick taking static ball and falling on the ground after making a yard.
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
I hate this
I hate to say the Crusaders team would be an improvement on this dross.
@chimoaus said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
I hate this
I hate to say the Crusaders team would be an improvement on this dross.
@chimoaus said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
I hate this
I hate to say the Crusaders team would be an improvement on this dross.
Well, at least their game plan would be.
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@chimoaus said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@MN5 said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
The Irish defence is rather good
Or is our attack really bad?
Considering BB try was a fluke then yes.
Take away his flukey stuff and you take away his game.
Then again I don't remember him gifted an intercept before and not being able to run at least 20 metres with it.@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@chimoaus said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@MN5 said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
The Irish defence is rather good
Or is our attack really bad?
Considering BB try was a fluke then yes.
Take away his flukey stuff and you take away his game.
Then again I don't remember him gifted an intercept before and not being able to run at least 20 metres with it.Was he carrying an injury?
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Ireland should have scored a lot more points given how they dominated us.
We need to learn how to exit properly, have an accurate kicking game, reduce errors. Pretty much a completely different gameplan to whatever you call the shit we put out tonight.
@chimoaus said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
Ireland should have scored a lot more points given how they dominated us.
We need to learn how to exit properly, have an accurate kicking game, reduce errors. Pretty much a completely different gameplan to whatever you call the shit we put out tonight.
Spot on!
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@chimoaus said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@antipodean It kind of went to shit when Wayne Smith and that AFL skill coach left.
As Squidge Rugby said in his video about the first test: the All Blacks game plan is basically centred around individual brilliance and having better skills than everyone else.
Doesn't always work
@NTA said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@chimoaus said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@antipodean It kind of went to shit when Wayne Smith and that AFL skill coach left.
As Squidge Rugby said in his video about the first test: the All Blacks game plan is basically centred around individual brilliance and having better skills than everyone else.
Doesn't always work
It was good watch.
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@Bones not if its a rule, doesn't have to make sense.
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Bones not if its a rule, doesn't have to make sense.
Who rules who plays where then? I'm really not following you.
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@stodders said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@stodders Barnes is the ref for the 3rd test.
All set up for his redemption?
He's actually bloody good.
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@stodders said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@stodders Barnes is the ref for the 3rd test.
All set up for his redemption?
He's actually bloody good.
CAN be.
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
Foster is fat.
Very succinct analysis
In fact an acronym.
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@booboo said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
Stuff you can blame the coaches for:
- What was with the midfield high kicks? All it did was gift the ball and field position to Ireland. Seemed a complete waste of ball.
If my memory serves me right these were the first few plays of game.
- We kick off, and Ireland do what Ireland do and exit extremely well either via Lowe or Park and get the ball out around half way nearly every time.
- We get the ball, don't really make any ground and BB or AS put in a midfield bomb.
- Ireland defuse the bomb more often than not, regather, play some structure then kick us back into our half or 22.
So in only a few phases Ireland have us under pressure and to be honest this is simple rugby. Play for territory, pressure the opposition on D whilst they try to exit and hope they make mistakes.
If Ireland could finish their attacks they would be a very difficult team to beat.
@chimoaus said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@booboo said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
Stuff you can blame the coaches for:
- What was with the midfield high kicks? All it did was gift the ball and field position to Ireland. Seemed a complete waste of ball.
If my memory serves me right these were the first few plays of game.
- We kick off, and Ireland do what Ireland do and exit extremely well either via Lowe or Park and get the ball out around half way nearly every time.
- We get the ball, don't really make any ground and BB or AS put in a midfield bomb.
- Ireland defuse the bomb more often than not, regather, play some structure then kick us back into our half or 22.
So in only a few phases Ireland have us under pressure and to be honest this is simple rugby. Play for territory, pressure the opposition on D whilst they try to exit and hope they make mistakes.
If Ireland could finish their attacks they would be a very difficult team to beat.
Excellent post.
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@Stargazer said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@MiketheSnow First event (green): Ofa's yellow card. Second event (orange): Angus' red card. Both TH props. Thought they needed uncontested scrums because they forgot Bower could have been moved to TH. Because they went for uncontested scrums, they needed to lose another player (they chose Ardie). So off were Ofa, Angus and Ardie = 12 players.
But Angus was Ofa’s replacement, so by position only the TH and the No8 were off = 13 players. From memory Leicester F was already back from Siberia by the time the uncontested scrum was called, so 13 players wasn’t it?
@JC said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@MiketheSnow First event (green): Ofa's yellow card. Second event (orange): Angus' red card. Both TH props. Thought they needed uncontested scrums because they forgot Bower could have been moved to TH. Because they went for uncontested scrums, they needed to lose another player (they chose Ardie). So off were Ofa, Angus and Ardie = 12 players.
But Angus was Ofa’s replacement, so by position only the TH and the No8 were off = 13 players. From memory Leicester F was already back from Siberia by the time the uncontested scrum was called, so 13 players wasn’t it?
Since when did logic come into things?
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@chimoaus said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@MN5 said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
The Irish defence is rather good
Or is our attack really bad?
Considering BB try was a fluke then yes.
Take away his flukey stuff and you take away his game.
Then again I don't remember him gifted an intercept before and not being able to run at least 20 metres with it.Was he carrying an injury?
@pakman said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@chimoaus said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@MN5 said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
The Irish defence is rather good
Or is our attack really bad?
Considering BB try was a fluke then yes.
Take away his flukey stuff and you take away his game.
Then again I don't remember him gifted an intercept before and not being able to run at least 20 metres with it.Was he carrying an injury?
I vaguely recall he had a calf issue some months ago then he said it was fine? Maybe it was that returning?
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One thing that was somewhat innovative, was all those attacking penalties close to the line that we were tapping rather than setting a scrum for.
Not sure whether that was symptomatic that we knew our 7 man scrum was a busted flush, but I don't recall many NZ teams taking that route even when they've got a man in the bin. They'll still set a scrum with 7 men or stick a back on the side.
@Chris-B said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
One thing that was somewhat innovative, was all those attacking penalties close to the line that we were tapping rather than setting a scrum for.
Not sure whether that was symptomatic that we knew our 7 man scrum was a busted flush, but I don't recall many NZ teams taking that route even when they've got a man in the bin. They'll still set a scrum with 7 men or stick a back on the side.
Perhaps thinking was that scrums would burn too much time. Of course if the angle which showed that Sami has scored hadn't been mysteriously missing, it would have been moot.
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@chimoaus said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@booboo said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
Stuff you can blame the coaches for:
- What was with the midfield high kicks? All it did was gift the ball and field position to Ireland. Seemed a complete waste of ball.
If my memory serves me right these were the first few plays of game.
- We kick off, and Ireland do what Ireland do and exit extremely well either via Lowe or Park and get the ball out around half way nearly every time.
- We get the ball, don't really make any ground and BB or AS put in a midfield bomb.
- Ireland defuse the bomb more often than not, regather, play some structure then kick us back into our half or 22.
So in only a few phases Ireland have us under pressure and to be honest this is simple rugby. Play for territory, pressure the opposition on D whilst they try to exit and hope they make mistakes.
If Ireland could finish their attacks they would be a very difficult team to beat.
When was the last time the AB's scored or got on the board first?
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@chimoaus said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@booboo said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
Stuff you can blame the coaches for:
- What was with the midfield high kicks? All it did was gift the ball and field position to Ireland. Seemed a complete waste of ball.
If my memory serves me right these were the first few plays of game.
- We kick off, and Ireland do what Ireland do and exit extremely well either via Lowe or Park and get the ball out around half way nearly every time.
- We get the ball, don't really make any ground and BB or AS put in a midfield bomb.
- Ireland defuse the bomb more often than not, regather, play some structure then kick us back into our half or 22.
So in only a few phases Ireland have us under pressure and to be honest this is simple rugby. Play for territory, pressure the opposition on D whilst they try to exit and hope they make mistakes.
If Ireland could finish their attacks they would be a very difficult team to beat.
When was the last time the AB's scored or got on the board first?
Best start was 19 November 2016.
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Think Kinsella is right. ABs down to 13 (RC, YC). To avoid teams deliberately taking advantage of uncontested scrums, if you don’t have a viable TH, you have to have a front row (any player will do) and then someone else goes off. Permanently. So you go down to 12 then remain at 13 for the match once YC player comes back. Is all a bit stupid as 15 vs 13 is never a contest
@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
Think Kinsella is right. ABs down to 13 (RC, YC). To avoid teams deliberately taking advantage of uncontested scrums, if you don’t have a viable TH, you have to have a front row (any player will do) and then someone else goes off. Permanently. So you go down to 12 then remain at 13 for the match once YC player comes back. Is all a bit stupid as 15 vs 13 is never a contest
If correct that is absurd.
