All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test
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@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@kev said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
The worst part of this was we should have been down to 12 for needed to go to uncontested scrums. Clearly we need to name props to cover both sides to avoid this.
I thought I read somewhere that teams had to nominate LH and TH injury replacements specifically - ie they can't nominate a player to cover both sides. Or am talking out of my arse again?
I think you’re right. There was some controversy in Europe when props said they couldn’t play opposite side, and ‘tactical’ oldie scrums required. So must have one of each FR to cover that.
But not sure there’s anything to stop a team volunteering a player who can play both sides.
I seem to recall Ofa being nominated as LH but subbing for TH or vice versa.
@pakman said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@kev said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
The worst part of this was we should have been down to 12 for needed to go to uncontested scrums. Clearly we need to name props to cover both sides to avoid this.
I thought I read somewhere that teams had to nominate LH and TH injury replacements specifically - ie they can't nominate a player to cover both sides. Or am talking out of my arse again?
I think you’re right. There was some controversy in Europe when props said they couldn’t play opposite side, and ‘tactical’ oldie scrums required. So must have one of each FR to cover that.
But not sure there’s anything to stop a team volunteering a player who can play both sides.
I seem to recall Ofa being nominated as LH but subbing for TH or vice versa.
This is what I found on the World Rugby website. I am still a little confused.
Prior to the match, each team must advise the appropriate match official of their front-row players and possible front-row replacements and which position(s) in the front row they can play. Only these players may play in the front row when the scrum is contested and only in their designated position(s).
A replacement front-row player may start the match in another position. -
When trying to rationalise the performance of the ABs over the weekend and since the new regime took over, simply put, wrong Head Coaching team and wrong Captain, the rest is a flow on effect from there.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@TheMojoman said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
We’ll that was a strange game, hard to get any flow with the cards and with the Irish playing so well.
I’m going to buck the trend here and say it’s far too early to panic. This AB team thrashed this same Irish team a week ago. You don’t go from being an excellent team to a poor one in one week.
I think the scoreline last week flattered us.
Hugely. We got rolled when Ireland got ball
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@TheMojoman said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
We’ll that was a strange game, hard to get any flow with the cards and with the Irish playing so well.
I’m going to buck the trend here and say it’s far too early to panic. This AB team thrashed this same Irish team a week ago. You don’t go from being an excellent team to a poor one in one week.
I think the scoreline last week flattered us.
Hugely. We got rolled when Ireland got ball
The fact we were down to 13-14 men for the majority of the game and the Irish only beat us by 11PTS is a lot more positive than getting blown out last week.
I think the AB’s have much more upside playing at home and with the talent we have at hand. Unless there are more reds/yellows against us I reckon AB’s will win by 10.
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This is awesome , ABs front row totally exposed ..Foster out coached not for the first time
https://twitter.com/brettruganalyst/status/1546240815143460865?s=21&t=mgnCkr5Kn77pHPIoS1Ceew
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This is awesome , ABs front row totally exposed ..Foster out coached not for the first time
https://twitter.com/brettruganalyst/status/1546240815143460865?s=21&t=mgnCkr5Kn77pHPIoS1Ceew
@Steven-Harris said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
This is awesome , ABs front row totally exposed ..Foster out coached not for the first time
https://twitter.com/brettruganalyst/status/1546240815143460865?s=21&t=mgnCkr5Kn77pHPIoS1Ceew
That is brutal to watch. It used to be NZ forwards with the soft hands and running lines to carve out metres in traffic and get on the front foot.
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@Steven-Harris said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
This is awesome , ABs front row totally exposed ..Foster out coached not for the first time
https://twitter.com/brettruganalyst/status/1546240815143460865?s=21&t=mgnCkr5Kn77pHPIoS1Ceew
That is brutal to watch. It used to be NZ forwards with the soft hands and running lines to carve out metres in traffic and get on the front foot.
@stodders what was worse , it kept happening time ,after time after time , makes you wonder what the brains trust were watching
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@stodders what was worse , it kept happening time ,after time after time , makes you wonder what the brains trust were watching
@Steven-Harris said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@stodders what was worse , it kept happening time ,after time after time , makes you wonder what the brains trust were watching
That poster also has a video about NZ's attack structure, or lack of it. Lends itself to the theory that NZ have poor attacking patterns and are relying on individualism to break open organised defences. V poor coaching.
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@pakman said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@kev said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
The worst part of this was we should have been down to 12 for needed to go to uncontested scrums. Clearly we need to name props to cover both sides to avoid this.
I thought I read somewhere that teams had to nominate LH and TH injury replacements specifically - ie they can't nominate a player to cover both sides. Or am talking out of my arse again?
I think you’re right. There was some controversy in Europe when props said they couldn’t play opposite side, and ‘tactical’ oldie scrums required. So must have one of each FR to cover that.
But not sure there’s anything to stop a team volunteering a player who can play both sides.
I seem to recall Ofa being nominated as LH but subbing for TH or vice versa.
This is what I found on the World Rugby website. I am still a little confused.
Prior to the match, each team must advise the appropriate match official of their front-row players and possible front-row replacements and which position(s) in the front row they can play. Only these players may play in the front row when the scrum is contested and only in their designated position(s).
A replacement front-row player may start the match in another position.@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@pakman said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@kev said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
The worst part of this was we should have been down to 12 for needed to go to uncontested scrums. Clearly we need to name props to cover both sides to avoid this.
I thought I read somewhere that teams had to nominate LH and TH injury replacements specifically - ie they can't nominate a player to cover both sides. Or am talking out of my arse again?
I think you’re right. There was some controversy in Europe when props said they couldn’t play opposite side, and ‘tactical’ oldie scrums required. So must have one of each FR to cover that.
But not sure there’s anything to stop a team volunteering a player who can play both sides.
I seem to recall Ofa being nominated as LH but subbing for TH or vice versa.
This is what I found on the World Rugby website. I am still a little confused.
Prior to the match, each team must advise the appropriate match official of their front-row players and possible front-row replacements and which position(s) in the front row they can play. Only these players may play in the front row when the scrum is contested and only in their designated position(s).
A replacement front-row player may start the match in another position.Sounds like we could have said that Bower could play LH and TH. in which case Ross on would have let normal scrums to continue.
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This is awesome , ABs front row totally exposed ..Foster out coached not for the first time
https://twitter.com/brettruganalyst/status/1546240815143460865?s=21&t=mgnCkr5Kn77pHPIoS1Ceew
@Steven-Harris said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
This is awesome , ABs front row totally exposed ..Foster out coached not for the first time
https://twitter.com/brettruganalyst/status/1546240815143460865?s=21&t=mgnCkr5Kn77pHPIoS1Ceew
That's straight out Mcleod's job. Club level stuff.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Chris-B you have to wonder if Fozzie is genuinely concerned with things, or if he is happy with how we are tracking, then add in NZR.
If we lose this weekend, the blow torch surely goes on full, and the other thing, if we lose again, playing poor rugby, will stadiums keep selling out, that will hit NZR, and also does brand damage when we play Aus and cant even sell a stadium out.
Is Wellington sold out yet?
I'm sure he's concerned, but he probably doesn't have the full set of tools to fix it. Someone pointed out that he's had a unique set of circumstances to deal with - with covid, etc (to which I'd add the advent of the crazy card game) - and that is true, but, I still think I've seen enough. The mediocrity in results correlates pretty strongly with what some of the Chiefs' supporters were warning about when he was appointed.
This coming weekend will be pretty interesting. Then we've got the retaining the Bledisloe hurdle, then the Jaapies at home hurdle and then EOYT.
Pretty sure the axe won't fall until after TRC and probably after the EOYT.
I'd actually bet against it falling at all, but really execution should only be stayed if NZR genuinely believe Fozzie is the best man for the job (or it's going to cost millions and millions to axe him).
@Chris-B said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
I'd actually bet against it falling at all, but really execution should only be stayed if NZR genuinely believe Fozzie is the best man for the job (or it's going to cost millions and millions to axe him).
Then they are crap at writing contracts.
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@mariner4life We fucked ourselves with a stupid selection process that meant all the potential assistants had to take sides before the Head Coach was appointed.
@Frank - plenty of chance, but I think it would be a dumb move.
Joe quit coaching because he was burned out and he will have used all his best ideas already with Ireland. Meanwhile we've got a younger guy jumping out of his skin for the job, who has made it pretty clear he's been preparing for the job for about the last five years.
@Chris-B said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@mariner4life We fucked ourselves with a stupid selection process that meant all the potential assistants had to take sides before the Head Coach was appointed.
@Frank - plenty of chance, but I think it would be a dumb move.
Joe quit coaching because he was burned out and he will have used all his best ideas already with Ireland. Meanwhile we've got a younger guy jumping out of his skin for the job, who has made it pretty clear he's been preparing for the job for about the last five years.
I thought Joe had a family member that needed looking after?
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This is awesome , ABs front row totally exposed ..Foster out coached not for the first time
https://twitter.com/brettruganalyst/status/1546240815143460865?s=21&t=mgnCkr5Kn77pHPIoS1Ceew
@Steven-Harris said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
This is awesome , ABs front row totally exposed ..Foster out coached not for the first time
https://twitter.com/brettruganalyst/status/1546240815143460865?s=21&t=mgnCkr5Kn77pHPIoS1Ceew
And here I was thinking the powder was well and truly dry seeing our tighties get exposed over and over.
Bring back Owen Franks.
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That vision is damning
How easily do they isolate a front rower?
Notice our shape is not too much different but everyone is flatter. Meaning less options, less time, and often a less effective clean. And Ireland have the one out the back for the 2nd option (which we did a bit on Saturday as well).
Damning of individuals and their so called structure.
I think part of this is why we are more prone to reds. We are trying for individuals to stop momentum, rather than multiple players. Thus we need a bigger hit. Which increases our risk profile.
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Has Foster said anything about why he replaced an in form Ardie? And not replaced Dalton? In my opinion this was another one of his brain explosions. Has he been questioned? He may have been but I missed it.
@number9 said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
Has Foster said anything about why he replaced an in form Ardie? And not replaced Dalton? In my opinion this was another one of his brain explosions. Has he been questioned? He may have been but I missed it.
It's the rule-book. AB's had it right and argued it. The officials got it wrong. How on earth is that a brain explosion?
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@number9 said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
Has Foster said anything about why he replaced an in form Ardie? And not replaced Dalton? In my opinion this was another one of his brain explosions. Has he been questioned? He may have been but I missed it.
It's the rule-book. AB's had it right and argued it. The officials got it wrong. How on earth is that a brain explosion?
@ARHS said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@number9 said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
Has Foster said anything about why he replaced an in form Ardie? And not replaced Dalton? In my opinion this was another one of his brain explosions. Has he been questioned? He may have been but I missed it.
It's the rule-book. AB's had it right and argued it. The officials got it wrong. How on earth is that a brain explosion?
Can you point out where?
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Taylor and Tu'ungafasi should be embarrassed watching that footage as they are the main culprits missing one-on-one tackles.
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Taylor and Tu'ungafasi should be embarrassed watching that footage as they are the main culprits missing one-on-one tackles.
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That vision is damning
How easily do they isolate a front rower?
Notice our shape is not too much different but everyone is flatter. Meaning less options, less time, and often a less effective clean. And Ireland have the one out the back for the 2nd option (which we did a bit on Saturday as well).
Damning of individuals and their so called structure.
I think part of this is why we are more prone to reds. We are trying for individuals to stop momentum, rather than multiple players. Thus we need a bigger hit. Which increases our risk profile.
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
That vision is damning
How easily do they isolate a front rower?
Notice our shape is not too much different but everyone is flatter. Meaning less options, less time, and often a less effective clean. And Ireland have the one out the back for the 2nd option (which we did a bit on Saturday as well).
Damning of individuals and their so called structure.
I think part of this is why we are more prone to reds. We are trying for individuals to stop momentum, rather than multiple players. Thus we need a bigger hit. Which increases our risk profile.
Agree, I said in another thread, or maybe this one who knows, that the poor discipline and cards we are getting feel like a symptom of a poorly coached team, and I think you've articulated it well there. As we are being exposed players are getting desperate to try and stop the momentum so taking more and more risks to do so.
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@Bovidae Neither of them have trouble making tackles in Super Rugby, and they used to be pretty good defenders at test level. Maybe the defensive structure is just poor?
