All Blacks 2022
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Winger said in All Blacks 2022:
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2022:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
@Winger said in All Blacks 2022:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
@Winger said in All Blacks 2022:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
Ardie Savea saying in his press conference today that he didn't know that the All Blacks had never lost to Ireland in NZ before Saturday.
Seriously wtf?
A senior leader in the team and the ABs home record isn't touched upon at all in the leadup to the series?
What the hell is going on with the AB culture?
I look at this interview and I wonder much the same thing. Where's the pride? They talk about it but no one seemed upset to be the player that ruined a legacy in a dog shit performance.
It looks to me that the pendulum has gone too far. Once upon a time there were good men who took ownership and drove high performance within the team environment. Now it seems that's taken for granted rather than delegated based on performance.
"It's like an Origin decider" No fluffybunny. It's much more important than that.
Its right at the end if anyone wants to hear the comment (7.25 on)
Ardie does say it does hurt. I thought he came across well. Although the coaches should have stressed the never won in Nz before before the first test
Ardie might be too honest.
The coaches shouldn't need to know this. A good culture driven by high performing players would know their history. Not so long ago I remember players playing out of fear of being the first to lose. This lot appear to be free to "express their skills" as they "walk forward and embrace the challenge" and unencumbered by fear have managed to lose to Argentina, Ireland in Ireland and now Ireland in New Zealand on their way to our lowest historic ranking!
What's next on this rocket ship to mediocrity?
Players have different interests. Some wnat to know all the stats. Other don't. The coache should have used this as a motivational factor. Maybe this is part of the issue with these Foster teams
BTW how many games have Ireland won in NZ. Including all matches..
Oh fuck off. Players that actually care about legacy, as they keep crapping on about, would know this shit.
Correct, you can't care about a legacy without knowing what the fuck that legacy is!
My view is the coaches / management have failed badly. More so than the player.
It's not the coach's job to instill pride in the jersey and its legacy for a player with 61 caps.
Why not. Even the most capped player can need a motivational lift every so often. ABs are not non human supermen. But it would be a team talk not aimed at one player
Time for the rugby
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Winger said in All Blacks 2022:
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2022:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
@Winger said in All Blacks 2022:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
@Winger said in All Blacks 2022:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
Ardie Savea saying in his press conference today that he didn't know that the All Blacks had never lost to Ireland in NZ before Saturday.
Seriously wtf?
A senior leader in the team and the ABs home record isn't touched upon at all in the leadup to the series?
What the hell is going on with the AB culture?
I look at this interview and I wonder much the same thing. Where's the pride? They talk about it but no one seemed upset to be the player that ruined a legacy in a dog shit performance.
It looks to me that the pendulum has gone too far. Once upon a time there were good men who took ownership and drove high performance within the team environment. Now it seems that's taken for granted rather than delegated based on performance.
"It's like an Origin decider" No fluffybunny. It's much more important than that.
Its right at the end if anyone wants to hear the comment (7.25 on)
Ardie does say it does hurt. I thought he came across well. Although the coaches should have stressed the never won in Nz before before the first test
Ardie might be too honest.
The coaches shouldn't need to know this. A good culture driven by high performing players would know their history. Not so long ago I remember players playing out of fear of being the first to lose. This lot appear to be free to "express their skills" as they "walk forward and embrace the challenge" and unencumbered by fear have managed to lose to Argentina, Ireland in Ireland and now Ireland in New Zealand on their way to our lowest historic ranking!
What's next on this rocket ship to mediocrity?
Players have different interests. Some wnat to know all the stats. Other don't. The coache should have used this as a motivational factor. Maybe this is part of the issue with these Foster teams
BTW how many games have Ireland won in NZ. Including all matches..
Oh fuck off. Players that actually care about legacy, as they keep crapping on about, would know this shit.
Correct, you can't care about a legacy without knowing what the fuck that legacy is!
My view is the coaches / management have failed badly. More so than the player.
It's not the coach's job to instill pride in the jersey and its legacy for a player with 61 caps.
Why not. Even the most capped player can need a motivational lift every so often. ABs are not non human supermen. But it would be a team talk not aimed at one player
Time for the rugby
@Winger said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Winger said in All Blacks 2022:
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2022:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
@Winger said in All Blacks 2022:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
@Winger said in All Blacks 2022:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
Ardie Savea saying in his press conference today that he didn't know that the All Blacks had never lost to Ireland in NZ before Saturday.
Seriously wtf?
A senior leader in the team and the ABs home record isn't touched upon at all in the leadup to the series?
What the hell is going on with the AB culture?
I look at this interview and I wonder much the same thing. Where's the pride? They talk about it but no one seemed upset to be the player that ruined a legacy in a dog shit performance.
It looks to me that the pendulum has gone too far. Once upon a time there were good men who took ownership and drove high performance within the team environment. Now it seems that's taken for granted rather than delegated based on performance.
"It's like an Origin decider" No fluffybunny. It's much more important than that.
Its right at the end if anyone wants to hear the comment (7.25 on)
Ardie does say it does hurt. I thought he came across well. Although the coaches should have stressed the never won in Nz before before the first test
Ardie might be too honest.
The coaches shouldn't need to know this. A good culture driven by high performing players would know their history. Not so long ago I remember players playing out of fear of being the first to lose. This lot appear to be free to "express their skills" as they "walk forward and embrace the challenge" and unencumbered by fear have managed to lose to Argentina, Ireland in Ireland and now Ireland in New Zealand on their way to our lowest historic ranking!
What's next on this rocket ship to mediocrity?
Players have different interests. Some wnat to know all the stats. Other don't. The coache should have used this as a motivational factor. Maybe this is part of the issue with these Foster teams
BTW how many games have Ireland won in NZ. Including all matches..
Oh fuck off. Players that actually care about legacy, as they keep crapping on about, would know this shit.
Correct, you can't care about a legacy without knowing what the fuck that legacy is!
My view is the coaches / management have failed badly. More so than the player.
It's not the coach's job to instill pride in the jersey and its legacy for a player with 61 caps.
Why not. Even the most capped player can need a motivational lift every so often. ABs are not non human supermen. But it would be a team talk not aimed at one player
Time for the rugby
If any player with 60+ caps needs a coach to constantly remind him of the team's legacy, it's time for that player to go.
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@Winger said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Winger said in All Blacks 2022:
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2022:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
@Winger said in All Blacks 2022:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
@Winger said in All Blacks 2022:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
Ardie Savea saying in his press conference today that he didn't know that the All Blacks had never lost to Ireland in NZ before Saturday.
Seriously wtf?
A senior leader in the team and the ABs home record isn't touched upon at all in the leadup to the series?
What the hell is going on with the AB culture?
I look at this interview and I wonder much the same thing. Where's the pride? They talk about it but no one seemed upset to be the player that ruined a legacy in a dog shit performance.
It looks to me that the pendulum has gone too far. Once upon a time there were good men who took ownership and drove high performance within the team environment. Now it seems that's taken for granted rather than delegated based on performance.
"It's like an Origin decider" No fluffybunny. It's much more important than that.
Its right at the end if anyone wants to hear the comment (7.25 on)
Ardie does say it does hurt. I thought he came across well. Although the coaches should have stressed the never won in Nz before before the first test
Ardie might be too honest.
The coaches shouldn't need to know this. A good culture driven by high performing players would know their history. Not so long ago I remember players playing out of fear of being the first to lose. This lot appear to be free to "express their skills" as they "walk forward and embrace the challenge" and unencumbered by fear have managed to lose to Argentina, Ireland in Ireland and now Ireland in New Zealand on their way to our lowest historic ranking!
What's next on this rocket ship to mediocrity?
Players have different interests. Some wnat to know all the stats. Other don't. The coache should have used this as a motivational factor. Maybe this is part of the issue with these Foster teams
BTW how many games have Ireland won in NZ. Including all matches..
Oh fuck off. Players that actually care about legacy, as they keep crapping on about, would know this shit.
Correct, you can't care about a legacy without knowing what the fuck that legacy is!
My view is the coaches / management have failed badly. More so than the player.
It's not the coach's job to instill pride in the jersey and its legacy for a player with 61 caps.
Why not. Even the most capped player can need a motivational lift every so often. ABs are not non human supermen. But it would be a team talk not aimed at one player
Time for the rugby
If any player with 60+ caps needs a coach to constantly remind him of the team's legacy, it's time for that player to go.
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Winger said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Winger said in All Blacks 2022:
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2022:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
@Winger said in All Blacks 2022:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
@Winger said in All Blacks 2022:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
Ardie Savea saying in his press conference today that he didn't know that the All Blacks had never lost to Ireland in NZ before Saturday.
Seriously wtf?
A senior leader in the team and the ABs home record isn't touched upon at all in the leadup to the series?
What the hell is going on with the AB culture?
I look at this interview and I wonder much the same thing. Where's the pride? They talk about it but no one seemed upset to be the player that ruined a legacy in a dog shit performance.
It looks to me that the pendulum has gone too far. Once upon a time there were good men who took ownership and drove high performance within the team environment. Now it seems that's taken for granted rather than delegated based on performance.
"It's like an Origin decider" No fluffybunny. It's much more important than that.
Its right at the end if anyone wants to hear the comment (7.25 on)
Ardie does say it does hurt. I thought he came across well. Although the coaches should have stressed the never won in Nz before before the first test
Ardie might be too honest.
The coaches shouldn't need to know this. A good culture driven by high performing players would know their history. Not so long ago I remember players playing out of fear of being the first to lose. This lot appear to be free to "express their skills" as they "walk forward and embrace the challenge" and unencumbered by fear have managed to lose to Argentina, Ireland in Ireland and now Ireland in New Zealand on their way to our lowest historic ranking!
What's next on this rocket ship to mediocrity?
Players have different interests. Some wnat to know all the stats. Other don't. The coache should have used this as a motivational factor. Maybe this is part of the issue with these Foster teams
BTW how many games have Ireland won in NZ. Including all matches..
Oh fuck off. Players that actually care about legacy, as they keep crapping on about, would know this shit.
Correct, you can't care about a legacy without knowing what the fuck that legacy is!
My view is the coaches / management have failed badly. More so than the player.
It's not the coach's job to instill pride in the jersey and its legacy for a player with 61 caps.
Why not. Even the most capped player can need a motivational lift every so often. ABs are not non human supermen. But it would be a team talk not aimed at one player
Time for the rugby
If any player with 60+ caps needs a coach to constantly remind him of the team's legacy, it's time for that player to go.
Especially when that coach has never worn the jersey, so can't speak from a position of authority. This is why Ted and then Hansen put this responsibility onto the players.
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2022:
sometime i feel a lot of these players wouldn;t even watch rugby if they weren't getting payed to play
That is absolutely nothing new though. A few pros I've known often were largely uninterested in anything rugby in their spare time. And I'm thinking back as far as twenty odd years.
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2022:
sometime i feel a lot of these players wouldn;t even watch rugby if they weren't getting payed to play
That is absolutely nothing new though. A few pros I've known often were largely uninterested in anything rugby in their spare time. And I'm thinking back as far as twenty odd years.
Yeah I’ve heard of pro tennis players, basketballers, Aussie rules players that don’t just sit around and watch the sport they play or follow stats etc, other than the stuff they have to review as part of their match prep.
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Apologies if its already been discussed , was listening to a bit of SENZ while driving ,
And they were saying , big rumors Joe is officially going to be made part of the coaching group and will have an official role such as defense or similar , perhaps at someones expense .
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Apologies if its already been discussed , was listening to a bit of SENZ while driving ,
And they were saying , big rumors Joe is officially going to be made part of the coaching group and will have an official role such as defense or similar , perhaps at someones expense .
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks 2022:
Apologies if its already been discussed , was listening to a bit of SENZ while driving ,
And they were saying , big rumors Joe is officially going to be made part of the coaching group and will have an official role such as defense or similar , perhaps at someones expense .
Dear god let this be true.
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@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks 2022:
Apologies if its already been discussed , was listening to a bit of SENZ while driving ,
And they were saying , big rumors Joe is officially going to be made part of the coaching group and will have an official role such as defense or similar , perhaps at someones expense .
Dear god let this be true.
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks 2022:
Apologies if its already been discussed , was listening to a bit of SENZ while driving ,
And they were saying , big rumors Joe is officially going to be made part of the coaching group and will have an official role such as defense or similar , perhaps at someones expense .
Dear god let this be true.
Why can't we learn that the whole coaching team apart from Schmidt has gone down with "covid19 like symptoms" and the NZRFU has called Razor in to assist?
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2022:
sometime i feel a lot of these players wouldn;t even watch rugby if they weren't getting payed to play
That is absolutely nothing new though. A few pros I've known often were largely uninterested in anything rugby in their spare time. And I'm thinking back as far as twenty odd years.
Yeah I’ve heard of pro tennis players, basketballers, Aussie rules players that don’t just sit around and watch the sport they play or follow stats etc, other than the stuff they have to review as part of their match prep.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2022:
sometime i feel a lot of these players wouldn;t even watch rugby if they weren't getting payed to play
That is absolutely nothing new though. A few pros I've known often were largely uninterested in anything rugby in their spare time. And I'm thinking back as far as twenty odd years.
Yeah I’ve heard of pro tennis players, basketballers, Aussie rules players that don’t just sit around and watch the sport they play or follow stats etc, other than the stuff they have to review as part of their match prep.
Jonah didn’t even know who Pinetree was before he became an All Black.
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2022:
sometime i feel a lot of these players wouldn;t even watch rugby if they weren't getting payed to play
That is absolutely nothing new though. A few pros I've known often were largely uninterested in anything rugby in their spare time. And I'm thinking back as far as twenty odd years.
Yeah I’ve heard of pro tennis players, basketballers, Aussie rules players that don’t just sit around and watch the sport they play or follow stats etc, other than the stuff they have to review as part of their match prep.
Jonah didn’t even know who Pinetree was before he became an All Black.
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2022:
Jonah didn’t even know who Pinetree was before he became an All Black.
Not doubting you, but that's incredible.
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@MN5 said in All Blacks 2022:
Jonah didn’t even know who Pinetree was before he became an All Black.
Not doubting you, but that's incredible.
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2022:
Jonah didn’t even know who Pinetree was before he became an All Black.
Not doubting you, but that's incredible.
Not really. Hardly from a family of rugby tragics. Played the game because his school asked him to. Pinetree probably never entered conversation
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i guess my original comment was more aimed at these senior players how have taken ownership for the legacy of the AB's, and i think there is a middle ground between rugby tragic that can list all kinds of stats and just being a fan of the game
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i guess my original comment was more aimed at these senior players how have taken ownership for the legacy of the AB's, and i think there is a middle ground between rugby tragic that can list all kinds of stats and just being a fan of the game
@Kiwiwomble legacy is a pretty broad thing, so I wouldn’t expect players to know or contain information about everything to do with Ireland v All Blacks history.
This may not be a popular position and I don’t want to get all sports psychology, but what purpose does knowing a stat like “Ireland have never won in NZ” actually serve for an AB player heading into a match? In my view it’s not actually a positive message and it’s context has very little connection with many of the players - some who have never played Ireland in NZ before.
Will it provide positive motivation, each player will have different personal motivations and it may serve some purpose for one or two of the older players, but I’d imagine that if this was shared with the team and was given some sort of credence then it could actually have a negative impact on some players.
It makes good cannon fodder for fans and commentators to throw out there and wax lyrical about!
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@Kiwiwomble legacy is a pretty broad thing, so I wouldn’t expect players to know or contain information about everything to do with Ireland v All Blacks history.
This may not be a popular position and I don’t want to get all sports psychology, but what purpose does knowing a stat like “Ireland have never won in NZ” actually serve for an AB player heading into a match? In my view it’s not actually a positive message and it’s context has very little connection with many of the players - some who have never played Ireland in NZ before.
Will it provide positive motivation, each player will have different personal motivations and it may serve some purpose for one or two of the older players, but I’d imagine that if this was shared with the team and was given some sort of credence then it could actually have a negative impact on some players.
It makes good cannon fodder for fans and commentators to throw out there and wax lyrical about!
@ACT-Crusader one of the first Adidas advertising campaign for the ABs was around the legacy:
The Legacy you face is more intimidating than any opposition.
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@ACT-Crusader one of the first Adidas advertising campaign for the ABs was around the legacy:
The Legacy you face is more intimidating than any opposition.
@taniwharugby great to sell a few jerseys, sneakers and rugby boots no doubt….
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Apologies if its already been discussed , was listening to a bit of SENZ while driving ,
And they were saying , big rumors Joe is officially going to be made part of the coaching group and will have an official role such as defense or similar , perhaps at someones expense .
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks 2022:
Apologies if its already been discussed , was listening to a bit of SENZ while driving ,
And they were saying , big rumors Joe is officially going to be made part of the coaching group and will have an official role such as defense or similar , perhaps at someones expense .
Tactics, defence, selections please.
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2022:
sometime i feel a lot of these players wouldn;t even watch rugby if they weren't getting payed to play
That is absolutely nothing new though. A few pros I've known often were largely uninterested in anything rugby in their spare time. And I'm thinking back as far as twenty odd years.
Yeah I’ve heard of pro tennis players, basketballers, Aussie rules players that don’t just sit around and watch the sport they play or follow stats etc, other than the stuff they have to review as part of their match prep.
Jonah didn’t even know who Pinetree was before he became an All Black.
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2022:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2022:
sometime i feel a lot of these players wouldn;t even watch rugby if they weren't getting payed to play
That is absolutely nothing new though. A few pros I've known often were largely uninterested in anything rugby in their spare time. And I'm thinking back as far as twenty odd years.
Yeah I’ve heard of pro tennis players, basketballers, Aussie rules players that don’t just sit around and watch the sport they play or follow stats etc, other than the stuff they have to review as part of their match prep.
Jonah didn’t even know who Pinetree was before he became an All Black.
Not exactly true.
This is from Jonah's book.
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@taniwharugby great to sell a few jerseys, sneakers and rugby boots no doubt….
@ACT-Crusader musta worked, Adidas came on board in 1999 IIRC.
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Apologies if its already been discussed , was listening to a bit of SENZ while driving ,
And they were saying , big rumors Joe is officially going to be made part of the coaching group and will have an official role such as defense or similar , perhaps at someones expense .
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks 2022:
Apologies if its already been discussed , was listening to a bit of SENZ while driving ,
And they were saying , big rumors Joe is officially going to be made part of the coaching group and will have an official role such as defense or similar , perhaps at someones expense .
Something needs to happen.
I can’t remember the exact losses under the original cartel that sparked it (maybe back to back losses against the Boks and Wallabies) and the Fern were all what does Hansen do. Out of it came “FGH” if my memory serves correct.
There was a shake up of responsibilities and from my perspective there was a shift away from some of the issues we were having at the time and a reset of sorts.
