All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider

[MN5]

@Mattasaurus said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

Does anyone think Foster has lost the dressing room?
Or is he in the process of losing it...

I’d have to go and get changed with the All Blacks to answer that unequivocally

[taniwharugby]

@antipodean well you can get a plan with Vodafone for unlimited social data use, but has limited data otherwise.

[chimoaus]

@Mattasaurus said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

Does anyone think Foster has lost the dressing room?
Or is he in the process of losing it...

I have wondered this for the last few years. The senior players would have all been under numerous coaches and would instantly know whether Fozzie is a goose or not.

There are a number of anonymous survey tools now, simply survey the playing group making sure it is anonymous to get accurate feedback. There is very heavy bias when speaking in public about someone's ability.

[Kiwiwomble]

@Mattasaurus said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

Does anyone think Foster has lost the dressing room?
Or is he in the process of losing it...

if on honest, there are probably enough guys in this squad that should have been dropped on pure form at least briefly over the last few years, they probably know they have foozie to thank for keeping them around

[Nepia]

@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

@canefan said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

@DaGrubster the soundbite I heard this morning is that 4th is the lowest we have ever been since the rankings have been a thing.

i bet no player knows this

Can't hear through their big headphones

gotta focus on Origin bro

i hear its pretty good...maybe we should watch that instead

Well the ABs and Ireland followed the origin script correctly - one team wins the first match, the other has a big win in the second, sets up the decider to be the greatest match in the history of the known multiverses.

[Kiwiwomble]

@Nepia all the NH and SH teams did!

[nostrildamus]

lowest world ranking ever?
At least the slide has been consistent.
I'm a bit cynical about world rankings but perhaps it is time the NZR coach appointment board fell on their pens? They didn't just appoint, they created a crap selection process, and reappointed!

[canefan]

@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

lowest world ranking ever?
At least the slide has been consistent.
I'm a bit cynical about world rankings but perhaps it is time the NZR coach appointment board fell on their pens? They didn't just appoint, they created a crap selection process, and reappointed!

Jobs for the boys doesn't work anymore

[Smudge]

Any Wellingtonians still looking for tickets - 200 have been released on the tickets section of the All Blacks site this afternoon.

[Dan54]

@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

lowest world ranking ever?
At least the slide has been consistent.
I'm a bit cynical about world rankings but perhaps it is time the NZR coach appointment board fell on their pens? They didn't just appoint, they created a crap selection process, and reappointed!

Has anyone seen the world rankings, there is about 1.3 points between France and NZ which is as big as gap between 1 & 2 often, so they a bit crazy, but if we want coaching appointment panel (that actually no longer exist as they on are a thing while ciaches are appointed) we in a crazy world.

[kiwi_expat]

Goodhue 12 Reiko 13, gonna be the world cup combo, Clarke 11 Jordan 14. ALB, Reece, TUJ to fight for 23 jersey.

[DaGrubster]

@taniwharugby

Yes it is. They were introduced in 2003

[Grooter]

@kiwi_expat said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

Goodhue 12 Reiko 13, gonna be the world cup combo, Clarke 11 Jordan 14. ALB, Reece, TUJ to fight for 23 jersey.

poor Rieko, the amount of times I've seen his name misspell through the years would be in the hundreds

[Machpants]

@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

If we lose , is it possible to move out of the top 4 rankings ?

Can you imagine that ? an allblack team not in the top 4 teams in the world .

Nah even if we lose we are 4, and we have never been 4 before. I fact for 85% of the time we have been 1. Basically fosters time is the only time we haven’t been top, outside of a few months here and there

[pakman]

We need to win this one.

Starters:

Front row -- Bower, Nepo if 100% (Ofa if not), Taylor (as much as anything for Chch cohesion)

Locks-- BBBR, Whitelock if fit (Vaai'i if not)

Loosies -- Sam, Scooter, Ardie

Nugget

Five eighths -- BB, Havili (because we need a kicking option)

Three quarters -- Three of Reece/Rioane/Goodhue/Jordan (case for Jack to settle defence down)

Jordie.

Bench:

Ofa (Nepo), Sami T, Karl T, Vaai'i/Aioane, Sotutu, Christie, Mo'unga, Goodhue/Reece

[ACT Crusader]

@Nepia said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

@canefan said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

@DaGrubster the soundbite I heard this morning is that 4th is the lowest we have ever been since the rankings have been a thing.

i bet no player knows this

Can't hear through their big headphones

gotta focus on Origin bro

i hear its pretty good...maybe we should watch that instead

Well the ABs and Ireland followed the origin script correctly - one team wins the first match, the other has a big win in the second, sets up the decider to be the greatest match in the history of the known multiverses.

Qld, NSW, Qld

ABs, Ireland, ???

[Derm McCrum]

I'll only be issuing my wild prediction on Friday due to an unsettling period of calm and serenity regarding the outcome of this test.

[DaGrubster]

@Dan54

Danny, did you back the appointment of Fozzie originally?

Do you think we need Change now?

The frustrating thing about Foster and his reign as AB coach is that it has been entirely predictable. The vast majority of fans knew this was a poor appointment, notwithstanding the issues that lay ahead of NZ rugby after the RWC2019.

If the average Person can see something the NZR can’t? What does that say about how the game is run in this country?

[stodders]

@DaGrubster said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

@Dan54

Danny, did you back the appointment of Fozzie originally?

Do you think we need Change now?

The frustrating thing about Foster and his reign as AB coach is that it has been entirely predictable. The vast majority of fans knew this was a poor appointment, notwithstanding the issues that lay ahead of NZ rugby after the RWC2019.

If the average Person can see something the NZR can’t? What does that say about how the game is run in this country?

I'll play devil's advocate here:

Foster's time as head coach with the Chiefs wasn't great. But people can develop and improve if they show that they can learn from past mistakes.

Foster was given massive wraps by Hansen working as his assistant in 2015. It suggested that he had learned from past mistakes and was capable of leading a high performance team. that was how Hansen sold it at the end of his tenure as head coach.

Hansen's recommendation and NZRU's steadfast refusal to move away from the succession planning that had worked since Henry (yielding 2 back to back world cups) is what led to Foster.

You can see some method to the madness, but I am intrigued to know what Foster presented to the NZRU hiring committee. If he sold them on changing the team's tactics, there is little evidence thus far to say he has delivered.

The alarm bells were ringing after Lions 2017, and certainly after WC 2019. Did NZRU go for the continuity candidate and ignore the signs that the ABs were going stale because continuity had been so successful in the past? Or did Foster convince them that he was going to do things very differently from Hansen and revitalise the team, and that as a member of the current coaching team he was best placed to do that in a more seamless manner than a new coach (e.g. Razor)? If so, how did he convince them that he was capable of doing this?

[voodoo]

@DaGrubster said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

@Dan54

Danny, did you back the appointment of Fozzie originally?

Do you think we need Change now?

The frustrating thing about Foster and his reign as AB coach is that it has been entirely predictable. The vast majority of fans knew this was a poor appointment, notwithstanding the issues that lay ahead of NZ rugby after the RWC2019.

If the average Person can see something the NZR can’t? What does that say about how the game is run in this country?

The most frustrating thing about Foster for me is that when he came in, he could actually see the deficiencies. Who remembers that initial presser when he said "we are going to bring back the physicality "?

Who at the time realised that he planned on doing it with card-prone props, ageing locks, and 3 x opensides in the pack!