All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@DaGrubster the soundbite I heard this morning is that 4th is the lowest we have ever been since the rankings have been a thing.
i bet no player knows this
Can't hear through their big headphones
gotta focus on Origin bro
i hear its pretty good...maybe we should watch that instead
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@DaGrubster the soundbite I heard this morning is that 4th is the lowest we have ever been since the rankings have been a thing.
i bet no player knows this
Can't hear through their big headphones
gotta focus on Origin bro
i hear its pretty good...maybe we should watch that instead
Well the ABs and Ireland followed the origin script correctly - one team wins the first match, the other has a big win in the second, sets up the decider to be the greatest match in the history of the known multiverses.
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@DaGrubster the soundbite I heard this morning is that 4th is the lowest we have ever been since the rankings have been a thing.
i bet no player knows this
Can't hear through their big headphones
gotta focus on Origin bro
i hear its pretty good...maybe we should watch that instead
Well the ABs and Ireland followed the origin script correctly - one team wins the first match, the other has a big win in the second, sets up the decider to be the greatest match in the history of the known multiverses.
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@Nepia all the NH and SH teams did!
lowest world ranking ever?
At least the slide has been consistent.
I'm a bit cynical about world rankings but perhaps it is time the NZR coach appointment board fell on their pens? They didn't just appoint, they created a crap selection process, and reappointed! -
lowest world ranking ever?
At least the slide has been consistent.
I'm a bit cynical about world rankings but perhaps it is time the NZR coach appointment board fell on their pens? They didn't just appoint, they created a crap selection process, and reappointed!@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
lowest world ranking ever?
At least the slide has been consistent.
I'm a bit cynical about world rankings but perhaps it is time the NZR coach appointment board fell on their pens? They didn't just appoint, they created a crap selection process, and reappointed!Jobs for the boys doesn't work anymore
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lowest world ranking ever?
At least the slide has been consistent.
I'm a bit cynical about world rankings but perhaps it is time the NZR coach appointment board fell on their pens? They didn't just appoint, they created a crap selection process, and reappointed!@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
lowest world ranking ever?
At least the slide has been consistent.
I'm a bit cynical about world rankings but perhaps it is time the NZR coach appointment board fell on their pens? They didn't just appoint, they created a crap selection process, and reappointed!Has anyone seen the world rankings, there is about 1.3 points between France and NZ which is as big as gap between 1 & 2 often, so they a bit crazy, but if we want coaching appointment panel (that actually no longer exist as they on are a thing while ciaches are appointed) we in a crazy world.
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Goodhue 12 Reiko 13, gonna be the world cup combo, Clarke 11 Jordan 14. ALB, Reece, TUJ to fight for 23 jersey.
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@DaGrubster the soundbite I heard this morning is that 4th is the lowest we have ever been since the rankings have been a thing.
Yes it is. They were introduced in 2003
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Goodhue 12 Reiko 13, gonna be the world cup combo, Clarke 11 Jordan 14. ALB, Reece, TUJ to fight for 23 jersey.
@kiwi_expat said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
Goodhue 12 Reiko 13, gonna be the world cup combo, Clarke 11 Jordan 14. ALB, Reece, TUJ to fight for 23 jersey.
poor Rieko, the amount of times I've seen his name misspell through the years would be in the hundreds
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If we lose , is it possible to move out of the top 4 rankings ?
Can you imagine that ? an allblack team not in the top 4 teams in the world .
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
If we lose , is it possible to move out of the top 4 rankings ?
Can you imagine that ? an allblack team not in the top 4 teams in the world .
Nah even if we lose we are 4, and we have never been 4 before. I fact for 85% of the time we have been 1. Basically fosters time is the only time we haven’t been top, outside of a few months here and there
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We need to win this one.
Starters:
Front row -- Bower, Nepo if 100% (Ofa if not), Taylor (as much as anything for Chch cohesion)
Locks-- BBBR, Whitelock if fit (Vaai'i if not)
Loosies -- Sam, Scooter, Ardie
Nugget
Five eighths -- BB, Havili (because we need a kicking option)
Three quarters -- Three of Reece/Rioane/Goodhue/Jordan (case for Jack to settle defence down)
Jordie.
Bench:
Ofa (Nepo), Sami T, Karl T, Vaai'i/Aioane, Sotutu, Christie, Mo'unga, Goodhue/Reece
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@DaGrubster the soundbite I heard this morning is that 4th is the lowest we have ever been since the rankings have been a thing.
i bet no player knows this
Can't hear through their big headphones
gotta focus on Origin bro
i hear its pretty good...maybe we should watch that instead
Well the ABs and Ireland followed the origin script correctly - one team wins the first match, the other has a big win in the second, sets up the decider to be the greatest match in the history of the known multiverses.
@Nepia said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@DaGrubster the soundbite I heard this morning is that 4th is the lowest we have ever been since the rankings have been a thing.
i bet no player knows this
Can't hear through their big headphones
gotta focus on Origin bro
i hear its pretty good...maybe we should watch that instead
Well the ABs and Ireland followed the origin script correctly - one team wins the first match, the other has a big win in the second, sets up the decider to be the greatest match in the history of the known multiverses.
Qld, NSW, Qld
ABs, Ireland, ???
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I'll only be issuing my wild prediction on Friday due to an unsettling period of calm and serenity regarding the outcome of this test.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
lowest world ranking ever?
At least the slide has been consistent.
I'm a bit cynical about world rankings but perhaps it is time the NZR coach appointment board fell on their pens? They didn't just appoint, they created a crap selection process, and reappointed!Has anyone seen the world rankings, there is about 1.3 points between France and NZ which is as big as gap between 1 & 2 often, so they a bit crazy, but if we want coaching appointment panel (that actually no longer exist as they on are a thing while ciaches are appointed) we in a crazy world.
Danny, did you back the appointment of Fozzie originally?
Do you think we need Change now?
The frustrating thing about Foster and his reign as AB coach is that it has been entirely predictable. The vast majority of fans knew this was a poor appointment, notwithstanding the issues that lay ahead of NZ rugby after the RWC2019.
If the average Person can see something the NZR can’t? What does that say about how the game is run in this country?
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Danny, did you back the appointment of Fozzie originally?
Do you think we need Change now?
The frustrating thing about Foster and his reign as AB coach is that it has been entirely predictable. The vast majority of fans knew this was a poor appointment, notwithstanding the issues that lay ahead of NZ rugby after the RWC2019.
If the average Person can see something the NZR can’t? What does that say about how the game is run in this country?
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
Danny, did you back the appointment of Fozzie originally?
Do you think we need Change now?
The frustrating thing about Foster and his reign as AB coach is that it has been entirely predictable. The vast majority of fans knew this was a poor appointment, notwithstanding the issues that lay ahead of NZ rugby after the RWC2019.
If the average Person can see something the NZR can’t? What does that say about how the game is run in this country?
I'll play devil's advocate here:
Foster's time as head coach with the Chiefs wasn't great. But people can develop and improve if they show that they can learn from past mistakes.
Foster was given massive wraps by Hansen working as his assistant in 2015. It suggested that he had learned from past mistakes and was capable of leading a high performance team. that was how Hansen sold it at the end of his tenure as head coach.
Hansen's recommendation and NZRU's steadfast refusal to move away from the succession planning that had worked since Henry (yielding 2 back to back world cups) is what led to Foster.
You can see some method to the madness, but I am intrigued to know what Foster presented to the NZRU hiring committee. If he sold them on changing the team's tactics, there is little evidence thus far to say he has delivered.
The alarm bells were ringing after Lions 2017, and certainly after WC 2019. Did NZRU go for the continuity candidate and ignore the signs that the ABs were going stale because continuity had been so successful in the past? Or did Foster convince them that he was going to do things very differently from Hansen and revitalise the team, and that as a member of the current coaching team he was best placed to do that in a more seamless manner than a new coach (e.g. Razor)? If so, how did he convince them that he was capable of doing this?
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Danny, did you back the appointment of Fozzie originally?
Do you think we need Change now?
The frustrating thing about Foster and his reign as AB coach is that it has been entirely predictable. The vast majority of fans knew this was a poor appointment, notwithstanding the issues that lay ahead of NZ rugby after the RWC2019.
If the average Person can see something the NZR can’t? What does that say about how the game is run in this country?
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
Danny, did you back the appointment of Fozzie originally?
Do you think we need Change now?
The frustrating thing about Foster and his reign as AB coach is that it has been entirely predictable. The vast majority of fans knew this was a poor appointment, notwithstanding the issues that lay ahead of NZ rugby after the RWC2019.
If the average Person can see something the NZR can’t? What does that say about how the game is run in this country?
The most frustrating thing about Foster for me is that when he came in, he could actually see the deficiencies. Who remembers that initial presser when he said "we are going to bring back the physicality "?
Who at the time realised that he planned on doing it with card-prone props, ageing locks, and 3 x opensides in the pack!
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@DaGrubster said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
Danny, did you back the appointment of Fozzie originally?
Do you think we need Change now?
The frustrating thing about Foster and his reign as AB coach is that it has been entirely predictable. The vast majority of fans knew this was a poor appointment, notwithstanding the issues that lay ahead of NZ rugby after the RWC2019.
If the average Person can see something the NZR can’t? What does that say about how the game is run in this country?
I'll play devil's advocate here:
Foster's time as head coach with the Chiefs wasn't great. But people can develop and improve if they show that they can learn from past mistakes.
Foster was given massive wraps by Hansen working as his assistant in 2015. It suggested that he had learned from past mistakes and was capable of leading a high performance team. that was how Hansen sold it at the end of his tenure as head coach.
Hansen's recommendation and NZRU's steadfast refusal to move away from the succession planning that had worked since Henry (yielding 2 back to back world cups) is what led to Foster.
You can see some method to the madness, but I am intrigued to know what Foster presented to the NZRU hiring committee. If he sold them on changing the team's tactics, there is little evidence thus far to say he has delivered.
The alarm bells were ringing after Lions 2017, and certainly after WC 2019. Did NZRU go for the continuity candidate and ignore the signs that the ABs were going stale because continuity had been so successful in the past? Or did Foster convince them that he was going to do things very differently from Hansen and revitalise the team, and that as a member of the current coaching team he was best placed to do that in a more seamless manner than a new coach (e.g. Razor)? If so, how did he convince them that he was capable of doing this?
@stodders yeah hindsight is easy eh, but I get the feeling there was similar turmoil over Henry,, Hansen maybe not as much due to the previous successful reign, etc. I remember Deans had huge support as the guy who should have led the ABs - I mean just look at all his super titles!
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@DaGrubster said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
Danny, did you back the appointment of Fozzie originally?
Do you think we need Change now?
The frustrating thing about Foster and his reign as AB coach is that it has been entirely predictable. The vast majority of fans knew this was a poor appointment, notwithstanding the issues that lay ahead of NZ rugby after the RWC2019.
If the average Person can see something the NZR can’t? What does that say about how the game is run in this country?
I'll play devil's advocate here:
Foster's time as head coach with the Chiefs wasn't great. But people can develop and improve if they show that they can learn from past mistakes.
Foster was given massive wraps by Hansen working as his assistant in 2015. It suggested that he had learned from past mistakes and was capable of leading a high performance team. that was how Hansen sold it at the end of his tenure as head coach.
Hansen's recommendation and NZRU's steadfast refusal to move away from the succession planning that had worked since Henry (yielding 2 back to back world cups) is what led to Foster.
You can see some method to the madness, but I am intrigued to know what Foster presented to the NZRU hiring committee. If he sold them on changing the team's tactics, there is little evidence thus far to say he has delivered.
The alarm bells were ringing after Lions 2017, and certainly after WC 2019. Did NZRU go for the continuity candidate and ignore the signs that the ABs were going stale because continuity had been so successful in the past? Or did Foster convince them that he was going to do things very differently from Hansen and revitalise the team, and that as a member of the current coaching team he was best placed to do that in a more seamless manner than a new coach (e.g. Razor)? If so, how did he convince them that he was capable of doing this?
@stodders I remember when foster first became an allblack assistant and he was attack coach . There was a lot of opposition from the public due to the chiefs stuff , but I remember thinking well if the chiefs did anything under his reign well, it was some of their attack , so maybe thats ok
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@stodders I remember when foster first became an allblack assistant and he was attack coach . There was a lot of opposition from the public due to the chiefs stuff , but I remember thinking well if the chiefs did anything under his reign well, it was some of their attack , so maybe thats ok
@kiwiinmelb so hopefully with him as ABs coach he'll sort our attack out...one day.
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Danny, did you back the appointment of Fozzie originally?
Do you think we need Change now?
The frustrating thing about Foster and his reign as AB coach is that it has been entirely predictable. The vast majority of fans knew this was a poor appointment, notwithstanding the issues that lay ahead of NZ rugby after the RWC2019.
If the average Person can see something the NZR can’t? What does that say about how the game is run in this country?
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
Danny, did you back the appointment of Fozzie originally?
Do you think we need Change now?
The frustrating thing about Foster and his reign as AB coach is that it has been entirely predictable. The vast majority of fans knew this was a poor appointment, notwithstanding the issues that lay ahead of NZ rugby after the RWC2019.
If the average Person can see something the NZR can’t? What does that say about how the game is run in this country?
Hey Grubs, I neither backed or otherwise Fozzie's appointment in all honesty, I have said a hundred times I wasn't on board that decided between Foster and Razor, and after all my bloody years of being on boards and appointing coaches etc, I live under the idea that people who do appointments have all the facts, answers from people applying. Do I think he should still hold the job, once again no idea, as I not sure,, I will be honest though my favoured man (with my ltd knowledge) before he was appointed was someone who didn't stand and that was Jamie Joseph, who's work I have always liked.
