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All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider

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  • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

    so i assume the presser hasn't happened

    what does selection tell us?

    Little change to the pack means the same tactics there i imagine.
    Havili in means probably as much if not more kicking, just by someone else.

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    @mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

    so i assume the presser hasn't happened

    what does selection tell us?

    Little change to the pack means the same tactics there i imagine.
    Havili in means probably as much if not more kicking, just by someone else.

    absolutely, my take is ST injured/Covid , Havili is the acknowledgement they wanted another kicking option, Im also guessing Akira gives them more versatility in back row, covers lock and 6/8 which they may prefer to keep as many big bodies on the field. We know Dalton is 6/7 but likely might use him as 7 only this time depending on injury

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      @mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

      so i assume the presser hasn't happened

      what does selection tell us?

      Little change to the pack means the same tactics there i imagine.
      Havili in means probably as much if not more kicking, just by someone else.

      absolutely, my take is ST injured/Covid , Havili is the acknowledgement they wanted another kicking option, Im also guessing Akira gives them more versatility in back row, covers lock and 6/8 which they may prefer to keep as many big bodies on the field. We know Dalton is 6/7 but likely might use him as 7 only this time depending on injury

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      @bayimports actually that's a good point about the bench

      if we have two guys that will probably play 80 in the loosies why two on the bench? One lock will sit down, and SB will shift. who else goes?

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      • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

        @bayimports actually that's a good point about the bench

        if we have two guys that will probably play 80 in the loosies why two on the bench? One lock will sit down, and SB will shift. who else goes?

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        @mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

        @bayimports actually that's a good point about the bench

        if we have two guys that will probably play 80 in the loosies why two on the bench? One lock will sit down, and SB will shift. who else goes?

        the one who is carded of course

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        • bayimportsB bayimports

          @mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

          so i assume the presser hasn't happened

          what does selection tell us?

          Little change to the pack means the same tactics there i imagine.
          Havili in means probably as much if not more kicking, just by someone else.

          absolutely, my take is ST injured/Covid , Havili is the acknowledgement they wanted another kicking option, Im also guessing Akira gives them more versatility in back row, covers lock and 6/8 which they may prefer to keep as many big bodies on the field. We know Dalton is 6/7 but likely might use him as 7 only this time depending on injury

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          @bayimports said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

          @mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

          so i assume the presser hasn't happened

          what does selection tell us?

          Little change to the pack means the same tactics there i imagine.
          Havili in means probably as much if not more kicking, just by someone else.

          absolutely, my take is ST injured/Covid , Havili is the acknowledgement they wanted another at least one kicking option,

          Fixed. Oh for the days when we had Carter and Dagg on the field.

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          • Dan54D Dan54

            @Stargazer said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

            Taukei’aho didn't have the impact in the Ireland tests that he had last year. I can also understand them not starting Coles, who hasn't played much at all, this year. So in that light, starting Taylor makes a lot of sense. I don't think he's been as bad as people are posting here.

            Yep almost seems some players are more effective against super defences etc huh Star?

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            @Dan54 said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

            @Stargazer said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

            Taukei’aho didn't have the impact in the Ireland tests that he had last year. I can also understand them not starting Coles, who hasn't played much at all, this year. So in that light, starting Taylor makes a lot of sense. I don't think he's been as bad as people are posting here.

            Yep almost seems some players are more effective against super defences etc huh Star?

            You clearly didn't pay any attention to Taylor or Sami' in the last two games (or in all the games last year for that matter). I can therefore only conclude you aren't you aren't a true rugby man.

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            • DiceD Dice

              @kev said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

              @Nepia said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

              @kev said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

              @ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

              I really like the RTS call. It’s a big game and he won’t be overawed. He has a bit of class to him but is a hard worker on both sides of the ball.

              ABs by 8 and Coles to score the game sealing try.

              If you watched the Warriors games you will see that Roger often made mistakes - and got pushed off in tackles. He has been the same with the Blues. So great attacking but has some issues. In such a big game it’s a big call.

              For the Warriors RTS was generally covering for 12 dunderheads and having to account for most of the attacking metres for his side at the same time.

              Yes that goes without saying. But if you look at when he played at the Roosters it was the same. The most noticeable is the grab tackle where he gets pushed off. It’s just a work on for him.

              In general, his defense has been better than QT and Havili in SR despite having less experience than them.

              Strangely, he is quite good at reads already. I thought that was going to be his biggest weakness on defense.

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              @Dice said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

              @kev said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

              @Nepia said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

              @kev said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

              @ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

              I really like the RTS call. It’s a big game and he won’t be overawed. He has a bit of class to him but is a hard worker on both sides of the ball.

              ABs by 8 and Coles to score the game sealing try.

              If you watched the Warriors games you will see that Roger often made mistakes - and got pushed off in tackles. He has been the same with the Blues. So great attacking but has some issues. In such a big game it’s a big call.

              For the Warriors RTS was generally covering for 12 dunderheads and having to account for most of the attacking metres for his side at the same time.

              Yes that goes without saying. But if you look at when he played at the Roosters it was the same. The most noticeable is the grab tackle where he gets pushed off. It’s just a work on for him.

              In general, his defense has been better than QT and Havili in SR despite having less experience than them.

              Strangely, he is quite good at reads already. I thought that was going to be his biggest weakness on defense.

              Yep he is not bad - our D was poor last week, we played a lot without the ball for various reasons. Hope we do better.

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                just a few thoughts, agree with others Samisoni should obviously be in the team, Extremely happy Fakatava remains in the side🙂 ditto Ross, Sotutu didn't feature this series🤔 I hope Dave Havili can bring his form from the final to the cake tin this Saturday & well Roger I wish him all the best!

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                • K kev

                  @Dice said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

                  @kev said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

                  @Nepia said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

                  @kev said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

                  @ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

                  I really like the RTS call. It’s a big game and he won’t be overawed. He has a bit of class to him but is a hard worker on both sides of the ball.

                  ABs by 8 and Coles to score the game sealing try.

                  If you watched the Warriors games you will see that Roger often made mistakes - and got pushed off in tackles. He has been the same with the Blues. So great attacking but has some issues. In such a big game it’s a big call.

                  For the Warriors RTS was generally covering for 12 dunderheads and having to account for most of the attacking metres for his side at the same time.

                  Yes that goes without saying. But if you look at when he played at the Roosters it was the same. The most noticeable is the grab tackle where he gets pushed off. It’s just a work on for him.

                  In general, his defense has been better than QT and Havili in SR despite having less experience than them.

                  Strangely, he is quite good at reads already. I thought that was going to be his biggest weakness on defense.

                  Yep he is not bad - our D was poor last week, we played a lot without the ball for various reasons. Hope we do better.

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                  @kev But who is he intended to sub for do you think? Haven’t seen much to suggest he’s an international standard centre to sub Reiko, and if he subs Havili has he got a decent positional kicking game?

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                  • JCJ JC

                    @bayimports said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

                    @mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

                    so i assume the presser hasn't happened

                    what does selection tell us?

                    Little change to the pack means the same tactics there i imagine.
                    Havili in means probably as much if not more kicking, just by someone else.

                    absolutely, my take is ST injured/Covid , Havili is the acknowledgement they wanted another at least one kicking option,

                    Fixed. Oh for the days when we had Carter and Dagg on the field.

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                    @JC judging by DCs social media account, he keeps in good nick, could be another option...seriously though he seems to a bit of coaching and technique stuff, bring him in, Peter.Breen does.alot of good work re technique on Rugby Bricks too, not like these guys won't.have ideas

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                      It's all been said but holy crap the two posters trying to claim ST hasn't been effective in the minutes he's played this series, I don't think I could possibly overstate how much better he is than Taylor in every single facet of the game.

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                      • FrankF Frank

                        @Crucial said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

                        We are complaining that our gameplan seems to rely on individual brilliance but then have two 10s that have always played that way.

                        I wonder if Perofeta, Zarn Sullivan or even David Havili might be better in those spots post World Cup.

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                        @Frank said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

                        @Crucial said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

                        We are complaining that our gameplan seems to rely on individual brilliance but then have two 10s that have always played that way.

                        I wonder if Perofeta, Zarn Sullivan or even David Havili might be better in those spots post World Cup.

                        Nope. I don't see a game manager anywhere there.

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                        • CrucialC Crucial

                          @Frank said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

                          @Crucial said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

                          We are complaining that our gameplan seems to rely on individual brilliance but then have two 10s that have always played that way.

                          I wonder if Perofeta, Zarn Sullivan or even David Havili might be better in those spots post World Cup.

                          Nope. I don't see a game manager anywhere there.

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                          @Crucial said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

                          @Frank said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

                          @Crucial said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

                          We are complaining that our gameplan seems to rely on individual brilliance but then have two 10s that have always played that way.

                          I wonder if Perofeta, Zarn Sullivan or even David Havili might be better in those spots post World Cup.

                          Nope. I don't see a game manager anywhere there.

                          From fullback Zarn certainly managed the first Maori Irish game with his boot

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                          • CrucialC Crucial

                            @Frank said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

                            @Crucial said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

                            We are complaining that our gameplan seems to rely on individual brilliance but then have two 10s that have always played that way.

                            I wonder if Perofeta, Zarn Sullivan or even David Havili might be better in those spots post World Cup.

                            Nope. I don't see a game manager anywhere there.

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                            @Crucial Sullivan definitely has the potential. He needs time at 10.

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                            • K kev

                              @ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

                              I really like the RTS call. It’s a big game and he won’t be overawed. He has a bit of class to him but is a hard worker on both sides of the ball.

                              ABs by 8 and Coles to score the game sealing try.

                              If you watched the Warriors games you will see that Roger often made mistakes - and got pushed off in tackles. He has been the same with the Blues. So great attacking but has some issues. In such a big game it’s a big call.

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                              @kev said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

                              @ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

                              I really like the RTS call. It’s a big game and he won’t be overawed. He has a bit of class to him but is a hard worker on both sides of the ball.

                              ABs by 8 and Coles to score the game sealing try.

                              If you watched the Warriors games you will see that Roger often made mistakes - and got pushed off in tackles. He has been the same with the Blues. So great attacking but has some issues. In such a big game it’s a big call.

                              I can (sadly) report that I watched every single one of RTS’s Warriors games. Yes I am tragic.

                              I think he reads the play well and is actually a better tackler when he goes low which is better for rugby as a 2nd 5 than a league fullback.

                              I’m interested in what the strategy is for his injection into the match. Barring injuries, when do they want him to come on.

                              Sometimes the big games need the big call 😉

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                              • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

                                @bayimports actually that's a good point about the bench

                                if we have two guys that will probably play 80 in the loosies why two on the bench? One lock will sit down, and SB will shift. who else goes?

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                                @mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

                                @bayimports actually that's a good point about the bench

                                if we have two guys that will probably play 80 in the loosies why two on the bench? One lock will sit down, and SB will shift. who else goes?

                                In game one Cane subbed off didn't he?

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                                  1. Andrew Porter (Leinster/UCD) 45 caps
                                  2. Dan Sheehan (Leinster/Lansdowne) 9 caps
                                  3. Tadhg Furlong (Leinster/Clontarf) 59 caps
                                  4. Tadhg Beirne (Munster/Lansdowne) 32 caps
                                  5. James Ryan (Leinster/UCD) 45 caps
                                  6. Peter O'Mahony (Munster/Cork Constitution) 86 caps
                                  7. Josh van der Flier (Leinster/UCD) 42 caps
                                  8. Caelan Doris (Leinster/St Mary's College) 19 caps
                                  9. Jamison Gibson Park (Leinster) 19 caps
                                  10. Johnny Sexton (Leinster/St Mary's College) 107 caps CAPTAIN
                                  11. James Lowe (Leinster) 14 caps
                                  12. Bundee Aki (Connacht/Galwegians) 39 caps
                                  13. Robbie Henshaw (Leinster/Buccaneers) 59 caps
                                  14. Mack Hansen (Connacht) 5 caps
                                  15. Hugo Keenan (Leinster/UCD) 22 caps

                                  Reserves:

                                  1. Rob Herring (Ulster/Ballynahinch) 27 caps
                                  2. Cian Healy (Leinster/Clontarf) 117 caps
                                  3. Finlay Bealham (Connacht/Buccaneers) 24 caps
                                  4. Kieran Treadwell (Ulster/Ballymena) 7 caps
                                  5. Jack Conan (Leinster/Old Belvedere) 29 caps
                                  6. Conor Murray (Munster/Garryowen) 98 caps
                                  7. Joey Carbery (Munster/Clontarf) 34 caps
                                  8. Keith Earls (Munster/Young Munster) 97 caps
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                                  • StargazerS Stargazer

                                    @Crucial Sullivan definitely has the potential. He needs time at 10.

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                                    @Stargazer said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

                                    @Crucial Sullivan definitely has the potential. He needs time at 10.

                                    Yep, of the names mentioned he is a possibility. Pity he isn't playing 10 though and is unlikely to if he stays at the Blues.

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                                    • ACT CrusaderA ACT Crusader

                                      @kev said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

                                      @ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

                                      I really like the RTS call. It’s a big game and he won’t be overawed. He has a bit of class to him but is a hard worker on both sides of the ball.

                                      ABs by 8 and Coles to score the game sealing try.

                                      If you watched the Warriors games you will see that Roger often made mistakes - and got pushed off in tackles. He has been the same with the Blues. So great attacking but has some issues. In such a big game it’s a big call.

                                      I can (sadly) report that I watched every single one of RTS’s Warriors games. Yes I am tragic.

                                      I think he reads the play well and is actually a better tackler when he goes low which is better for rugby as a 2nd 5 than a league fullback.

                                      I’m interested in what the strategy is for his injection into the match. Barring injuries, when do they want him to come on.

                                      Sometimes the big games need the big call 😉

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                                      @ACT-Crusader yeah he is a great player. The skill set for rugby is different. Just think he is being rushed.

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                                      • JCJ JC

                                        @kev But who is he intended to sub for do you think? Haven’t seen much to suggest he’s an international standard centre to sub Reiko, and if he subs Havili has he got a decent positional kicking game?

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                                        @JC said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

                                        @kev But who is he intended to sub for do you think? Haven’t seen much to suggest he’s an international standard centre to sub Reiko, and if he subs Havili has he got a decent positional kicking game?

                                        At this point he is only a 2nd five who can’t kick.

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                                        • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

                                          @Tim said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

                                          @Dan54 Mariner4Life's username is based on the club he played for ...

                                          Your "only real rugby fan" act is getting rather tired.

                                          and coached
                                          and served on the committee for a decade

                                          but yeah, just a TV guy with no clue.

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                                          @mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

                                          @Tim said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

                                          @Dan54 Mariner4Life's username is based on the club he played for ...

                                          Your "only real rugby fan" act is getting rather tired.

                                          and coached
                                          and served on the committee for a decade

                                          but yeah, just a TV guy with no clue.

                                          I think it’s hard to take you seriously when you have a profile pic that appears to be President Camacho!

                                          I’ll pile in on the ST WTF? Aside from that, and it’s a big one - not like Taylor or Coles need more games, the 23 pretty much as I’d guess. I was sure RTS would get one go, the only thing is Sotutu, but the desire for BBSB 🙄 in at 6 meant that would be the case

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