All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider
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@Chris said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Frye said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@ARHS said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
Can't give benefits of the doubt any more. Hope Joe Schmidt gets quick promotion to head coach now.
Our hooker and midfield selections backfired unsurprisingly in my view. Outside the 50 22 Havili seemed just as pressured as Rieko all night. Taylor again failed to deliver. And the bench did not work. Needed more direction and intelligence when Smith and Cane went off but we seemed far more disorganised. Vaii gave it his all. But what was RTS there for?
Sure as hell hope we see Jordie at 12 Jordan at 15 and Rieko and Reece on the wing. Our kicking and kick chase so poor and we seem to have lost our connectivity on counter-attack.
Gibson Park and Beirne best on the park for me. Well done Ireland!Schmidt is a selector and mentor to Foster so he is responsible for some of this crap over the last 2 weeks.
Lol what
He is in camp isn’t he,coaching in a role so he is part of this fuck show.
He takes over from Fox as a selector after this game. He was only involved as a coach in the first test because the other coaches had Covid.
As for "mentor" what the fuck are you talking about?
As an Irish fan I didn’t see Schmidt’s highly prescriptive and structured gameplan being a good fit for the ABs, but after watching the last couple of games, and also the Autumn tests, I’m beginning to think that it might be exactly what they need.
The talent is there, but unlike previous AB sides there didn’t seem to be an appreciation that hard work needs to be done, and maintained for 80 minutes before you can start dreaming of record scores. The first half performance had a feeling of complacent side that assumed that the proper order would be restored simply because that’s what always happened. If Schmidt is appointed in a coaching roll a lot of those players are going to get a very rude awakening.
As an Irish fan I feel the Irish response in the second half was real proof of how the sides belief and discipline has developed way beyond what we thought was possible. Halfway through I was also guilty of believing that normal order was about to be restore,and that a massive collapse was looking inevitable, so to go on and win the game by 10 points was the stuff of dreams.
We have always believed NZ to be the ultimate test, and for us a series win won’t change that belief, so to go into your backyard and perform like this is unbelievable. I think I’m still in shock from last week to be honest, and I intend to really savour watching the game again, this time sitting on the sofa rather than hiding behind it.
The squad needs a coaching and culture change, but I believe that NZ has the players to turn this around for the RWC next year. They’ll need to because it is probably going to be the most competitive one we’ll have seen, with France, SA, England & Aus all improving, and with Ireland and Wales also having a big say.
F%@k it, I’m going to get monstrously pissed.
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Marshall was saying on that Irish podcast that the NZR can’t afford to pay out all the contracts of the coaching staff. I guess the answer to that is can they afford not to??
@MrDenmore said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
Marshall was saying on that Irish podcast that the NZR can’t afford to pay out all the contracts of the coaching staff. I guess the answer to that is can they afford not to??
By fuck they can, use all the Silverlake money. Get it done.
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@Machpants said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
Is this true? What did he say?
Probably a fuck lot more polite then what were saying on here
Wonder if the likes of Fitzy are getting on the phones to NZR HQ?
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Machpants said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
Is this true? What did he say?
Probably a fuck lot more polite then what were saying on here
Wonder if the likes of Fitzy are getting on the phones to NZR HQ?
Doubt it. He sold his soul a long long time ago.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Machpants said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
Is this true? What did he say?
Probably a fuck lot more polite then what were saying on here
Wonder if the likes of Fitzy are getting on the phones to NZR HQ?
Doubt it. He sold his soul a long long time ago.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Machpants said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
Is this true? What did he say?
Probably a fuck lot more polite then what were saying on here
Wonder if the likes of Fitzy are getting on the phones to NZR HQ?
Doubt it. He sold his soul a long long time ago.
When he spoke at a Sports Lunch 2-3 years back, he mentioned that he and all the ex-AB Captains were in regular contact with NZR. Sounded like a formal or semi-formal thing.
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It is funny. I didn't think the ABs played badly individually at all. Maligned players such as Havili and Akira esp. were quite good. The problem with this AB set up is that it is killing good players. New players like LF are being sacrificed as well. The contrast with the well-coached Ireland is staggering.
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It is funny. I didn't think the ABs played badly individually at all. Maligned players such as Havili and Akira esp. were quite good. The problem with this AB set up is that it is killing good players. New players like LF are being sacrificed as well. The contrast with the well-coached Ireland is staggering.
@Old-Samurai-Jack some individuals played okay and there was a short period where we seemed in sync. For me the biggest problem is that lack of combination and trust within the group. Are they playing for each other? Do they know what the guy next to them is going to do and adjust or react accordingly?
Rugby is the ultimate team sport in my opinion and yet we aren’t playing like a team. That’s coaching and man management.
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@Old-Samurai-Jack some individuals played okay and there was a short period where we seemed in sync. For me the biggest problem is that lack of combination and trust within the group. Are they playing for each other? Do they know what the guy next to them is going to do and adjust or react accordingly?
Rugby is the ultimate team sport in my opinion and yet we aren’t playing like a team. That’s coaching and man management.
@ACT-Crusader My thoughts too. There doesn’t appear to be any sense they are playing for each other, but alongside each other. They’re passive and tentative. There is no cohesion or sense of a shared mission. It’s poor coaching and leadership
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Watching the Aus game and every time I see Dave Rennie I die a little inside. How the fůck could that happen?
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Watching the Aus game and every time I see Dave Rennie I die a little inside. How the fůck could that happen?
@Rancid-Schnitzel Although not sure Aus is doing too much better
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@Old-Samurai-Jack some individuals played okay and there was a short period where we seemed in sync. For me the biggest problem is that lack of combination and trust within the group. Are they playing for each other? Do they know what the guy next to them is going to do and adjust or react accordingly?
Rugby is the ultimate team sport in my opinion and yet we aren’t playing like a team. That’s coaching and man management.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Old-Samurai-Jack some individuals played okay and there was a short period where we seemed in sync. For me the biggest problem is that lack of combination and trust within the group. Are they playing for each other? Do they know what the guy next to them is going to do and adjust or react accordingly?
Rugby is the ultimate team sport in my opinion and yet we aren’t playing like a team. That’s coaching and man management.
Read said they looked like a team who hadn't spent enough time together. He looked almost apologetic when he said it. Sounds like a diplomatic indictment to me
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@Rancid-Schnitzel Although not sure Aus is doing too much better
@Jailbreak7 said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Rancid-Schnitzel Although not sure Aus is doing too much better
Don't speak too soon!
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As an Irish fan I didn’t see Schmidt’s highly prescriptive and structured gameplan being a good fit for the ABs, but after watching the last couple of games, and also the Autumn tests, I’m beginning to think that it might be exactly what they need.
The talent is there, but unlike previous AB sides there didn’t seem to be an appreciation that hard work needs to be done, and maintained for 80 minutes before you can start dreaming of record scores. The first half performance had a feeling of complacent side that assumed that the proper order would be restored simply because that’s what always happened. If Schmidt is appointed in a coaching roll a lot of those players are going to get a very rude awakening.
As an Irish fan I feel the Irish response in the second half was real proof of how the sides belief and discipline has developed way beyond what we thought was possible. Halfway through I was also guilty of believing that normal order was about to be restore,and that a massive collapse was looking inevitable, so to go on and win the game by 10 points was the stuff of dreams.
We have always believed NZ to be the ultimate test, and for us a series win won’t change that belief, so to go into your backyard and perform like this is unbelievable. I think I’m still in shock from last week to be honest, and I intend to really savour watching the game again, this time sitting on the sofa rather than hiding behind it.
The squad needs a coaching and culture change, but I believe that NZ has the players to turn this around for the RWC next year. They’ll need to because it is probably going to be the most competitive one we’ll have seen, with France, SA, England & Aus all improving, and with Ireland and Wales also having a big say.
F%@k it, I’m going to get monstrously pissed.
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@Halfout any opinion on the non red cards for Aki and Porter?
Ireland are clearly better coached and full value for the win.
But I can help but feel refereeing turned the last two tests in a huge way.
@Steve Nah, poor reffing in the 2nd, good reffing in the 3rd.
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@ACT-Crusader My thoughts too. There doesn’t appear to be any sense they are playing for each other, but alongside each other. They’re passive and tentative. There is no cohesion or sense of a shared mission. It’s poor coaching and leadership
@MrDenmore said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@ACT-Crusader My thoughts too. There doesn’t appear to be any sense they are playing for each other, but alongside each other. They’re passive and tentative. There is no cohesion or sense of a shared mission. It’s poor coaching and leadership
Bang on, was at the match tonight, and that was really obvious. Complete lack of confidence and a sameness about every laboured play. Guys were consistently running onto or with the ball at half or 3/4 pace.
In stark contrast the Irish side knew exactly what they needed to do in every situation. They were fast and precise. Like our team used to be.
I went away disappointed but also feeling the right coaching panel can make a big impact really quickly.
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“A New Zealand Rugby media manager stepped in when Foster was asked if he even wanted to remain All Blacks coach”
Can the guy be allowed to answer the tough but obvious Qs??
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@Halfout any opinion on the non red cards for Aki and Porter?
Ireland are clearly better coached and full value for the win.
But I can help but feel refereeing turned the last two tests in a huge way.
@Steve said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Halfout any opinion on the non red cards for Aki and Porter?
Ireland are clearly better coached and full value for the win.
But I can help but feel refereeing turned the last two tests in a huge way.
My view of those is the same as my view of Ta’avu’s red. I didn’t think he should have got a red, and I don’t think Aki or Porter should have got red. The incidents are being refereed on the basis of slow motion and multiple replays whereas they’re happening in split seconds.
On a more controversial note I believe LF should have got a straight red. He was stupidly reckless and completely out of control, and I think Barnes would have walked him, but Peyper is a poor ref who painted himself into a corner with the LF decision and then had to send Ta’avu off. I believe the action rather than outcome should be the deciding factor.
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@Duluth said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
Sounded like he'd already been on the beers.
And... some bullshit attempt at replicating the "pain" that he knew had gone down well in the past (Aaron Smith a year or two back?)... but couldn't help throwing in the corporate "yeah, we'll just do better".
I like Ardie, but... yeah, nah.
