All Blacks 2022
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@DaGrubster I don’t believe it is too late, I mean longer would be better yes , but how many times do teams change coaches when things aren’t working and the improvement is instant ?
It’s not like at club level sometimes where a team might not have the players , do we honest honestly think man for man Ireland are clearly more talented than what we have in nz ?
Agreed.
At this stage it is basically a free hit if someone came in now.
One thing I would love to see is an AB team playing greater than the sum of its parts. We have not seen that at a World Cup outside of ‘87. It’s normally the other way round.
The boks have treated RWC’s as short term projects before. Most recent with Erasmus and going further back in 95 which Francois Pinear has talked about.
(The boks are well suited to RWC rugby with how they play and their strengths but I digress…in the fine tradition of Lee Grant)
Couple of questions:
At what point do NZR act before the damage to the All Black brand starts to impacts commercially.
Does Silverlake protect its investment by putting pressure on the NZR board to be ruthless enough to act and also to become a high performance organisation again?
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@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2022:
Ireland are a progressive modern rugby side. NZ are not.
That’s why we didn’t have an answer in the last 2 tests!
Makes you wonder how we won the first - oh that’s right Fozzie had to self isolate from the ABs!!People saying it is too late to change before the RWC.
Do nothing and we may not get out of the pool. Under present mgmt the World Cup is a write off so may as well let someone have a crack with low expectations - I favour Schmidt and Robertson- Schmidt can bring international and RWC experience and taking a bit of pressure off Robertson
AB's had some great goal line defence in test 1 - especially RI. In saying that Ireland let a lot of half chances go. May have been a series clean sweep if they'd managed to finish a couple of those chances.
Yup they did, I mentioned this before. We put ourselves in the wrong part of the field and we have to perform defensive heroics to stay in the game. Which may be leaving us too drained to then impose ourselves offensively
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I have seen a few comments on social media about how the ABs didn't stay out and mingle and do autographs after the game...assuming it is true, i understand the boys will be gutted (you'd hope) but they still need to be doing that stuff, or did the booing hurt thier feelings?
Then I see ones about James Lowe out for ages after signing autographs and gave away his boots.
Optics matter, especially for a team that is in a bit of damage mitigation.
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I have seen a few comments on social media about how the ABs didn't stay out and mingle and do autographs after the game...assuming it is true, i understand the boys will be gutted (you'd hope) but they still need to be doing that stuff, or did the booing hurt thier feelings?
Then I see ones about James Lowe out for ages after signing autographs and gave away his boots.
Optics matter, especially for a team that is in a bit of damage mitigation.
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@taniwharugby There were several ABs staying out for photos and autographs. From what I've seen on social media, at least, Ardie Savea, David Havili and Will Jordan did.
@Stargazer did wonder if it was just typical social media BS.
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@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
You know what's irked me, seeing true blue kiwis absolutely dining out on beating their own country. I can't even greatly enjoy a win over an old club, I'll be fucked if I'm all glee and rainbows at beating the ABs.
I suppose they were “rejected” by NZ and been a raging success in Ireland. How Francis saili got selected ahead of Aki, I’ll never know. A black mark for Hansen there.
Aki never gave it a chance. Had a good season then buggered off.
Edit: to me he's the equivalent of TUJ, but he was nowhere near as good as those ahead of him.
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
You know what's irked me, seeing true blue kiwis absolutely dining out on beating their own country. I can't even greatly enjoy a win over an old club, I'll be fucked if I'm all glee and rainbows at beating the ABs.
I suppose they were “rejected” by NZ and been a raging success in Ireland. How Francis saili got selected ahead of Aki, I’ll never know. A black mark for Hansen there.
Aki never gave it a chance. Had a good season then buggered off.
Edit: to me he's the equivalent of TUJ, but he was nowhere near as good as those ahead of him.
Yeah, there's a bit of revisionism around Aki ever since he started playing for Ireland. He left NZ after 2 seasons of Super rugby and had signed overseas well before the end of his second season.
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@Stargazer did wonder if it was just typical social media BS.
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:
@Stargazer did wonder if it was just typical social media BS.
Plus, if there's photos of them smiling with fans some whiners will complain they're not taking the loss seriously enough.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:
@Stargazer did wonder if it was just typical social media BS.
Plus, if there's photos of them smiling with fans some whiners will complain they're not taking the loss seriously enough.
@Nepia would he know we lost...
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I have seen a few comments on social media about how the ABs didn't stay out and mingle and do autographs after the game...assuming it is true, i understand the boys will be gutted (you'd hope) but they still need to be doing that stuff, or did the booing hurt thier feelings?
Then I see ones about James Lowe out for ages after signing autographs and gave away his boots.
Optics matter, especially for a team that is in a bit of damage mitigation.
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:
I have seen a few comments on social media about how the ABs didn't stay out and mingle and do autographs after the game...assuming it is true, i understand the boys will be gutted (you'd hope) but they still need to be doing that stuff, or did the booing hurt thier feelings?
Then I see ones about James Lowe out for ages after signing autographs and gave away his boots.
Optics matter, especially for a team that is in a bit of damage mitigation.
Ardie and Sam Whitelock were out there and on TV taking photos with the fans about the same time James Lowe gave away his shorts amidst a wardrobe failure!
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so if we were to name a squad for TRC, what changes would we see if we had one squad picked by Fozzie, and one picked by Razor (if that happened) how many differences would there be?
Who'd be toast, who'd be bought in?
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so if we were to name a squad for TRC, what changes would we see if we had one squad picked by Fozzie, and one picked by Razor (if that happened) how many differences would there be?
Who'd be toast, who'd be bought in?
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:
so if we were to name a squad for TRC, what changes would we see if we had one squad picked by Fozzie, and one picked by Razor (if that happened) how many differences would there be?
Who'd be toast, who'd be bought in?
I don't think there would be massive changes to players, but we might actually have a gameplan
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:
so if we were to name a squad for TRC, what changes would we see if we had one squad picked by Fozzie, and one picked by Razor (if that happened) how many differences would there be?
Who'd be toast, who'd be bought in?
I don't think there would be massive changes to players, but we might actually have a gameplan
@Machpants yeah I'm thinking maybe only 3 or 4 to the squad
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I'd say Blues fans might not be happy with the starting XV. We still need to find a 2nd 5 regardless who the coach is.
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
I'd say Blues fans might not be happy with the starting XV. We still need to find a 2nd 5 regardless who the coach is.
I'm curious to see what Razor could do fitting a few of the better Blues players into his system. Maybe he could get more out of Akira, Paps and Sotutu than Foster clearly could. They haven't reached their ceiling yet
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
I'd say Blues fans might not be happy with the starting XV. We still need to find a 2nd 5 regardless who the coach is.
I'm curious to see what Razor could do fitting a few of the better Blues players into his system. Maybe he could get more out of Akira, Paps and Sotutu than Foster clearly could. They haven't reached their ceiling yet
@canefan said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
I'd say Blues fans might not be happy with the starting XV. We still need to find a 2nd 5 regardless who the coach is.
I'm curious to see what Razor could do fitting a few of the better Blues players into his system. Maybe he could get more out of Akira, Paps and Sotutu than Foster clearly could. They haven't reached their ceiling yet
I can't see all of them surviving a Razor cull.
Razor also likes Taylor and Ennor...
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
I'd say Blues fans might not be happy with the starting XV. We still need to find a 2nd 5 regardless who the coach is.
I'm curious to see what Razor could do fitting a few of the better Blues players into his system. Maybe he could get more out of Akira, Paps and Sotutu than Foster clearly could. They haven't reached their ceiling yet
I can't see all of them surviving a Razor cull.
Razor also likes Taylor and Ennor...
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
I'd say Blues fans might not be happy with the starting XV. We still need to find a 2nd 5 regardless who the coach is.
I'm curious to see what Razor could do fitting a few of the better Blues players into his system. Maybe he could get more out of Akira, Paps and Sotutu than Foster clearly could. They haven't reached their ceiling yet
I can't see all of them surviving a Razor cull.
Razor also likes Taylor and Ennor...
If he wants to succeed he will need to take the best the country has. Not just his own players. The task is to get the best out of the best players. Otherwise he might as well stay in Chch
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
I'd say Blues fans might not be happy with the starting XV. We still need to find a 2nd 5 regardless who the coach is.
I'm curious to see what Razor could do fitting a few of the better Blues players into his system. Maybe he could get more out of Akira, Paps and Sotutu than Foster clearly could. They haven't reached their ceiling yet
I can't see all of them surviving a Razor cull.
Razor also likes Taylor and Ennor...
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
I'd say Blues fans might not be happy with the starting XV. We still need to find a 2nd 5 regardless who the coach is.
I'm curious to see what Razor could do fitting a few of the better Blues players into his system. Maybe he could get more out of Akira, Paps and Sotutu than Foster clearly could. They haven't reached their ceiling yet
I can't see all of them surviving a Razor cull.
Razor also likes Taylor and Ennor...
Worth a punt, then, on George Bridge getting another shot at the big time if Razor gets the job.
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
I'd say Blues fans might not be happy with the starting XV. We still need to find a 2nd 5 regardless who the coach is.
I'm curious to see what Razor could do fitting a few of the better Blues players into his system. Maybe he could get more out of Akira, Paps and Sotutu than Foster clearly could. They haven't reached their ceiling yet
I can't see all of them surviving a Razor cull.
Razor also likes Taylor and Ennor...
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
I'd say Blues fans might not be happy with the starting XV. We still need to find a 2nd 5 regardless who the coach is.
I'm curious to see what Razor could do fitting a few of the better Blues players into his system. Maybe he could get more out of Akira, Paps and Sotutu than Foster clearly could. They haven't reached their ceiling yet
I can't see all of them surviving a Razor cull.
Razor also likes Taylor and Ennor...
Yeah rubbish, for SR yes, but he now has an entire country to pick from. He's a pro coach, not a fucking idiot, like Foster
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another pointer to how ill prepared we are and void of any kind of game plan (that mickey mouse wasnt aware of) was the fact Ireland pretty much followed the same plan in the opening stanza in each test, and scored early in each test.
How we were unable to counter this says it all really.
I wonder if there are stats available on how many times other teams score first against us?
We have always been slow starters, but the last 3 weeks have been so soft watchint the Irish do the same thing each week.
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
I'd say Blues fans might not be happy with the starting XV. We still need to find a 2nd 5 regardless who the coach is.
I'm curious to see what Razor could do fitting a few of the better Blues players into his system. Maybe he could get more out of Akira, Paps and Sotutu than Foster clearly could. They haven't reached their ceiling yet
I can't see all of them surviving a Razor cull.
Razor also likes Taylor and Ennor...
If he wants to succeed he will need to take the best the country has. Not just his own players. The task is to get the best out of the best players. Otherwise he might as well stay in Chch
@canefan said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
I'd say Blues fans might not be happy with the starting XV. We still need to find a 2nd 5 regardless who the coach is.
I'm curious to see what Razor could do fitting a few of the better Blues players into his system. Maybe he could get more out of Akira, Paps and Sotutu than Foster clearly could. They haven't reached their ceiling yet
I can't see all of them surviving a Razor cull.
Razor also likes Taylor and Ennor...
If he wants to succeed he will need to take the best the country has. Not just his own players. The task is to get the best out of the best players. Otherwise he might as well stay in Chch
It's only natural he will have an affinity for Grace, Blackadder and perhaps even Christie. Which isn't wrong, I'm just saying I highly doubt you would get that blues trio in his squad.
