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  • CrucialC Crucial

    @ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:

    So with Lord and Retallick out Scott Barrett under a cloud, we will need to bring in lock or two. I thought a couple of the MAB locks fared pretty well and Dickson would be my first port of call as cover.

    I think they’ll keep Bower, Ross, Ta’avao, Tu’ungafasi and Laulala. I wouldn’t have the latter two and would replace Karl T.

    A good opportunity to start Sami in all RC tests and rotate the bench hooker. I’d keep Taylor to play that role in some of them but also have one other. Don’t know who because Eklund and Aumua don’t fill me with great confidence. Where’s the empty cupboard emoji…

    In the post match Fozzie seemed pissed of at the players as if they didn't do what was asked. It will be very interesting to see where the axe swings.

    I think that the locks did their roles (even if those roles weren't great). It was obvious that BBBRs job was to carry and tackle close while SWs was to clean out slightly wider.
    Taylor was a huge let down, but as you say, we need him still there as the options aren't great. Eklund didn't look the goods against Ireland B. Aumua hasn't risen above 'potential'.
    Do we take a hail mary shot and throw in an understudy that gets extra coaching?
    Karl T will be gone anyway and it's time to invest heavily in Ross/De Groot.
    I'm going to get shot down heavily here as a 'hater' but I don't see Akira being the answer at 6. Is he our best option right now? Probably. But I can see why Barrett was put in. Where are our 6s that play direct, suck in tacklers, make metres and, most importantly, own their channel and make others think twice about going that way..

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    @Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:

    I'm going to get shot down heavily here as a 'hater' but I don't see Akira being the answer at 6. Is he our best option right now? Probably. But I can see why Barrett was put in. Where are our 6s that play direct, suck in tacklers, make metres and, most importantly, own their channel and make others think twice about going that way..

    Not shooting you down as a hater but your comment seems ill timed after a test match when Akira was one of the few ABs to do what you say the role should be and after a series where SB despite the hype (and weirdly high Fern MOTM votes) barely made any metres and missed more tackles than most ABs.

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    • NepiaN Nepia

      @Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:

      I'm going to get shot down heavily here as a 'hater' but I don't see Akira being the answer at 6. Is he our best option right now? Probably. But I can see why Barrett was put in. Where are our 6s that play direct, suck in tacklers, make metres and, most importantly, own their channel and make others think twice about going that way..

      Not shooting you down as a hater but your comment seems ill timed after a test match when Akira was one of the few ABs to do what you say the role should be and after a series where SB despite the hype (and weirdly high Fern MOTM votes) barely made any metres and missed more tackles than most ABs.

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      @Nepia said in All Blacks 2022:

      @Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:

      I'm going to get shot down heavily here as a 'hater' but I don't see Akira being the answer at 6. Is he our best option right now? Probably. But I can see why Barrett was put in. Where are our 6s that play direct, suck in tacklers, make metres and, most importantly, own their channel and make others think twice about going that way..

      Not shooting you down as a hater but your comment seems ill timed after a test match when Akira was one of the few ABs to do what you say the role should be and after a series where SB despite the hype (and weirdly high Fern MOTM votes) barely made any metres and missed more tackles than most ABs.

      dominant tackles, good metres in contact, great explosive try, shifted bodies at the ruck. Hell of a game

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      • NepiaN Nepia

        @Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:

        I'm going to get shot down heavily here as a 'hater' but I don't see Akira being the answer at 6. Is he our best option right now? Probably. But I can see why Barrett was put in. Where are our 6s that play direct, suck in tacklers, make metres and, most importantly, own their channel and make others think twice about going that way..

        Not shooting you down as a hater but your comment seems ill timed after a test match when Akira was one of the few ABs to do what you say the role should be and after a series where SB despite the hype (and weirdly high Fern MOTM votes) barely made any metres and missed more tackles than most ABs.

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        @Nepia said in All Blacks 2022:

        @Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:

        I'm going to get shot down heavily here as a 'hater' but I don't see Akira being the answer at 6. Is he our best option right now? Probably. But I can see why Barrett was put in. Where are our 6s that play direct, suck in tacklers, make metres and, most importantly, own their channel and make others think twice about going that way..

        Not shooting you down as a hater but your comment seems ill timed after a test match when Akira was one of the few ABs to do what you say the role should be and after a series where SB despite the hype (and weirdly high Fern MOTM votes) barely made any metres and missed more tackles than most ABs.

        Did he though? I totally get that he may have been under the coaches instructions/patterns so can't take that blame but people are saying Cane didn't do much and he had a better tackle count and % than Akira.
        Akira and Ardie made the most number of passes for the ABs the other night. That shows a fucked up gameplan where they aren't being used as carriers in traffic. Both made big metres but again, not mostly in close where we need it.
        Maybe if given a different role we may see more of what we want but it is strange that SB wasn't used in the same role as Akira. He appeared to be selected to play tighter and either we changed up when he was ruled out or Akira just played looser.
        I'm not bagging the guy, I'm just yet to be convinced that he fits the style we need.

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        • CrucialC Crucial

          @Nepia said in All Blacks 2022:

          @Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:

          I'm going to get shot down heavily here as a 'hater' but I don't see Akira being the answer at 6. Is he our best option right now? Probably. But I can see why Barrett was put in. Where are our 6s that play direct, suck in tacklers, make metres and, most importantly, own their channel and make others think twice about going that way..

          Not shooting you down as a hater but your comment seems ill timed after a test match when Akira was one of the few ABs to do what you say the role should be and after a series where SB despite the hype (and weirdly high Fern MOTM votes) barely made any metres and missed more tackles than most ABs.

          Did he though? I totally get that he may have been under the coaches instructions/patterns so can't take that blame but people are saying Cane didn't do much and he had a better tackle count and % than Akira.
          Akira and Ardie made the most number of passes for the ABs the other night. That shows a fucked up gameplan where they aren't being used as carriers in traffic. Both made big metres but again, not mostly in close where we need it.
          Maybe if given a different role we may see more of what we want but it is strange that SB wasn't used in the same role as Akira. He appeared to be selected to play tighter and either we changed up when he was ruled out or Akira just played looser.
          I'm not bagging the guy, I'm just yet to be convinced that he fits the style we need.

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          @Crucial so what you're saying is our gameplan makes no sense...

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          • CrucialC Crucial

            @Nepia said in All Blacks 2022:

            @Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:

            I'm going to get shot down heavily here as a 'hater' but I don't see Akira being the answer at 6. Is he our best option right now? Probably. But I can see why Barrett was put in. Where are our 6s that play direct, suck in tacklers, make metres and, most importantly, own their channel and make others think twice about going that way..

            Not shooting you down as a hater but your comment seems ill timed after a test match when Akira was one of the few ABs to do what you say the role should be and after a series where SB despite the hype (and weirdly high Fern MOTM votes) barely made any metres and missed more tackles than most ABs.

            Did he though? I totally get that he may have been under the coaches instructions/patterns so can't take that blame but people are saying Cane didn't do much and he had a better tackle count and % than Akira.
            Akira and Ardie made the most number of passes for the ABs the other night. That shows a fucked up gameplan where they aren't being used as carriers in traffic. Both made big metres but again, not mostly in close where we need it.
            Maybe if given a different role we may see more of what we want but it is strange that SB wasn't used in the same role as Akira. He appeared to be selected to play tighter and either we changed up when he was ruled out or Akira just played looser.
            I'm not bagging the guy, I'm just yet to be convinced that he fits the style we need.

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            @Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:

            Did he though?

            Yes he did. I might now have to reevaluate my earlier post and call you a hater. 😉

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            • taniwharugbyT taniwharugby

              @Crucial so what you're saying is our gameplan makes no sense...

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              @taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:

              @Crucial so what you're saying is our gameplan makes no sense...

              There's a gameplan?

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                @taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:

                @Crucial so what you're saying is our gameplan makes no sense...

                There's a gameplan?

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                @Machpants I expect maybe in the coaching teams view there is one, but either it is one we are unable to play to, or it is so poor it looks like we don't have one...

                I'm bored sitting waiting to be released from non selection at Jury service

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                • CrucialC Crucial

                  @ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:

                  So with Lord and Retallick out Scott Barrett under a cloud, we will need to bring in lock or two. I thought a couple of the MAB locks fared pretty well and Dickson would be my first port of call as cover.

                  I think they’ll keep Bower, Ross, Ta’avao, Tu’ungafasi and Laulala. I wouldn’t have the latter two and would replace Karl T.

                  A good opportunity to start Sami in all RC tests and rotate the bench hooker. I’d keep Taylor to play that role in some of them but also have one other. Don’t know who because Eklund and Aumua don’t fill me with great confidence. Where’s the empty cupboard emoji…

                  In the post match Fozzie seemed pissed of at the players as if they didn't do what was asked. It will be very interesting to see where the axe swings.

                  I think that the locks did their roles (even if those roles weren't great). It was obvious that BBBRs job was to carry and tackle close while SWs was to clean out slightly wider.
                  Taylor was a huge let down, but as you say, we need him still there as the options aren't great. Eklund didn't look the goods against Ireland B. Aumua hasn't risen above 'potential'.
                  Do we take a hail mary shot and throw in an understudy that gets extra coaching?
                  Karl T will be gone anyway and it's time to invest heavily in Ross/De Groot.
                  I'm going to get shot down heavily here as a 'hater' but I don't see Akira being the answer at 6. Is he our best option right now? Probably. But I can see why Barrett was put in. Where are our 6s that play direct, suck in tacklers, make metres and, most importantly, own their channel and make others think twice about going that way..

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                  @Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:

                  @ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:

                  So with Lord and Retallick out Scott Barrett under a cloud, we will need to bring in lock or two. I thought a couple of the MAB locks fared pretty well and Dickson would be my first port of call as cover.

                  I think they’ll keep Bower, Ross, Ta’avao, Tu’ungafasi and Laulala. I wouldn’t have the latter two and would replace Karl T.

                  A good opportunity to start Sami in all RC tests and rotate the bench hooker. I’d keep Taylor to play that role in some of them but also have one other. Don’t know who because Eklund and Aumua don’t fill me with great confidence. Where’s the empty cupboard emoji…

                  In the post match Fozzie seemed pissed of at the players as if they didn't do what was asked. It will be very interesting to see where the axe swings.

                  I think that the locks did their roles (even if those roles weren't great). It was obvious that BBBRs job was to carry and tackle close while SWs was to clean out slightly wider.
                  Taylor was a huge let down, but as you say, we need him still there as the options aren't great. Eklund didn't look the goods against Ireland B. Aumua hasn't risen above 'potential'.
                  Do we take a hail mary shot and throw in an understudy that gets extra coaching?
                  Karl T will be gone anyway and it's time to invest heavily in Ross/De Groot.
                  I'm going to get shot down heavily here as a 'hater' but I don't see Akira being the answer at 6. Is he our best option right now? Probably. But I can see why Barrett was put in. Where are our 6s that play direct, suck in tacklers, make metres and, most importantly, own their channel and make others think twice about going that way..

                  Second to Cane in tackles made. Most amount of metres made running the ball. More defenders beaten than anyone else. I'd suggest the problem doesn't lay there.

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                    Taylor, 1 tackle, 2 missed lol

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                      Taylor, 1 tackle, 2 missed lol

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                      @Machpants That sounds a bit suss. Where are those stats from?

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                      • antipodeanA antipodean

                        @Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:

                        @ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:

                        So with Lord and Retallick out Scott Barrett under a cloud, we will need to bring in lock or two. I thought a couple of the MAB locks fared pretty well and Dickson would be my first port of call as cover.

                        I think they’ll keep Bower, Ross, Ta’avao, Tu’ungafasi and Laulala. I wouldn’t have the latter two and would replace Karl T.

                        A good opportunity to start Sami in all RC tests and rotate the bench hooker. I’d keep Taylor to play that role in some of them but also have one other. Don’t know who because Eklund and Aumua don’t fill me with great confidence. Where’s the empty cupboard emoji…

                        In the post match Fozzie seemed pissed of at the players as if they didn't do what was asked. It will be very interesting to see where the axe swings.

                        I think that the locks did their roles (even if those roles weren't great). It was obvious that BBBRs job was to carry and tackle close while SWs was to clean out slightly wider.
                        Taylor was a huge let down, but as you say, we need him still there as the options aren't great. Eklund didn't look the goods against Ireland B. Aumua hasn't risen above 'potential'.
                        Do we take a hail mary shot and throw in an understudy that gets extra coaching?
                        Karl T will be gone anyway and it's time to invest heavily in Ross/De Groot.
                        I'm going to get shot down heavily here as a 'hater' but I don't see Akira being the answer at 6. Is he our best option right now? Probably. But I can see why Barrett was put in. Where are our 6s that play direct, suck in tacklers, make metres and, most importantly, own their channel and make others think twice about going that way..

                        Second to Cane in tackles made. Most amount of metres made running the ball. More defenders beaten than anyone else. I'd suggest the problem doesn't lay there.

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                        @antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:

                        @Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:

                        @ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:

                        So with Lord and Retallick out Scott Barrett under a cloud, we will need to bring in lock or two. I thought a couple of the MAB locks fared pretty well and Dickson would be my first port of call as cover.

                        I think they’ll keep Bower, Ross, Ta’avao, Tu’ungafasi and Laulala. I wouldn’t have the latter two and would replace Karl T.

                        A good opportunity to start Sami in all RC tests and rotate the bench hooker. I’d keep Taylor to play that role in some of them but also have one other. Don’t know who because Eklund and Aumua don’t fill me with great confidence. Where’s the empty cupboard emoji…

                        In the post match Fozzie seemed pissed of at the players as if they didn't do what was asked. It will be very interesting to see where the axe swings.

                        I think that the locks did their roles (even if those roles weren't great). It was obvious that BBBRs job was to carry and tackle close while SWs was to clean out slightly wider.
                        Taylor was a huge let down, but as you say, we need him still there as the options aren't great. Eklund didn't look the goods against Ireland B. Aumua hasn't risen above 'potential'.
                        Do we take a hail mary shot and throw in an understudy that gets extra coaching?
                        Karl T will be gone anyway and it's time to invest heavily in Ross/De Groot.
                        I'm going to get shot down heavily here as a 'hater' but I don't see Akira being the answer at 6. Is he our best option right now? Probably. But I can see why Barrett was put in. Where are our 6s that play direct, suck in tacklers, make metres and, most importantly, own their channel and make others think twice about going that way..

                        Second to Cane in tackles made. Most amount of metres made running the ball. More defenders beaten than anyone else. I'd suggest the problem doesn't lay there.

                        Before this goes off track I'm not saying at all that Akira didn't have a good game or that he is a problem area. I am saying that IF we are to play a direct tighter game to get forward ascendency I am not yet convinced that he is the player we need (mainly because I don't see him being used that way.)
                        Maybe a casualty in my viewing of the (lack of) gameplan.
                        If I had to pick one thing that gives me this impression it would be that I rarely see a hard shoulder from him in close. He always appears more a wrestler than a hitter I guess.
                        Again, this is not to say that he isn't our best option in the jersey or that he is a poor player.

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                        • CrucialC Crucial

                          @antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:

                          @Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:

                          @ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:

                          So with Lord and Retallick out Scott Barrett under a cloud, we will need to bring in lock or two. I thought a couple of the MAB locks fared pretty well and Dickson would be my first port of call as cover.

                          I think they’ll keep Bower, Ross, Ta’avao, Tu’ungafasi and Laulala. I wouldn’t have the latter two and would replace Karl T.

                          A good opportunity to start Sami in all RC tests and rotate the bench hooker. I’d keep Taylor to play that role in some of them but also have one other. Don’t know who because Eklund and Aumua don’t fill me with great confidence. Where’s the empty cupboard emoji…

                          In the post match Fozzie seemed pissed of at the players as if they didn't do what was asked. It will be very interesting to see where the axe swings.

                          I think that the locks did their roles (even if those roles weren't great). It was obvious that BBBRs job was to carry and tackle close while SWs was to clean out slightly wider.
                          Taylor was a huge let down, but as you say, we need him still there as the options aren't great. Eklund didn't look the goods against Ireland B. Aumua hasn't risen above 'potential'.
                          Do we take a hail mary shot and throw in an understudy that gets extra coaching?
                          Karl T will be gone anyway and it's time to invest heavily in Ross/De Groot.
                          I'm going to get shot down heavily here as a 'hater' but I don't see Akira being the answer at 6. Is he our best option right now? Probably. But I can see why Barrett was put in. Where are our 6s that play direct, suck in tacklers, make metres and, most importantly, own their channel and make others think twice about going that way..

                          Second to Cane in tackles made. Most amount of metres made running the ball. More defenders beaten than anyone else. I'd suggest the problem doesn't lay there.

                          Before this goes off track I'm not saying at all that Akira didn't have a good game or that he is a problem area. I am saying that IF we are to play a direct tighter game to get forward ascendency I am not yet convinced that he is the player we need (mainly because I don't see him being used that way.)
                          Maybe a casualty in my viewing of the (lack of) gameplan.
                          If I had to pick one thing that gives me this impression it would be that I rarely see a hard shoulder from him in close. He always appears more a wrestler than a hitter I guess.
                          Again, this is not to say that he isn't our best option in the jersey or that he is a poor player.

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                          @Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:

                          @antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:

                          @Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:

                          @ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:

                          So with Lord and Retallick out Scott Barrett under a cloud, we will need to bring in lock or two. I thought a couple of the MAB locks fared pretty well and Dickson would be my first port of call as cover.

                          I think they’ll keep Bower, Ross, Ta’avao, Tu’ungafasi and Laulala. I wouldn’t have the latter two and would replace Karl T.

                          A good opportunity to start Sami in all RC tests and rotate the bench hooker. I’d keep Taylor to play that role in some of them but also have one other. Don’t know who because Eklund and Aumua don’t fill me with great confidence. Where’s the empty cupboard emoji…

                          In the post match Fozzie seemed pissed of at the players as if they didn't do what was asked. It will be very interesting to see where the axe swings.

                          I think that the locks did their roles (even if those roles weren't great). It was obvious that BBBRs job was to carry and tackle close while SWs was to clean out slightly wider.
                          Taylor was a huge let down, but as you say, we need him still there as the options aren't great. Eklund didn't look the goods against Ireland B. Aumua hasn't risen above 'potential'.
                          Do we take a hail mary shot and throw in an understudy that gets extra coaching?
                          Karl T will be gone anyway and it's time to invest heavily in Ross/De Groot.
                          I'm going to get shot down heavily here as a 'hater' but I don't see Akira being the answer at 6. Is he our best option right now? Probably. But I can see why Barrett was put in. Where are our 6s that play direct, suck in tacklers, make metres and, most importantly, own their channel and make others think twice about going that way..

                          Second to Cane in tackles made. Most amount of metres made running the ball. More defenders beaten than anyone else. I'd suggest the problem doesn't lay there.

                          Before this goes off track I'm not saying at all that Akira didn't have a good game or that he is a problem area. I am saying that IF we are to play a direct tighter game to get forward ascendency I am not yet convinced that he is the player we need (mainly because I don't see him being used that way.)
                          Maybe a casualty in my viewing of the (lack of) gameplan.
                          If I had to pick one thing that gives me this impression it would be that I rarely see a hard shoulder from him in close. He always appears more a wrestler than a hitter I guess.
                          Again, this is not to say that he isn't our best option in the jersey or that he is a poor player.

                          The ABs were very lucky with the service they got from JC and then JK in that area.

                          I suppose the trade off is the X factor Ioane has with the ball in hand.

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                          • CrucialC Crucial

                            @antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:

                            @Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:

                            @ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:

                            So with Lord and Retallick out Scott Barrett under a cloud, we will need to bring in lock or two. I thought a couple of the MAB locks fared pretty well and Dickson would be my first port of call as cover.

                            I think they’ll keep Bower, Ross, Ta’avao, Tu’ungafasi and Laulala. I wouldn’t have the latter two and would replace Karl T.

                            A good opportunity to start Sami in all RC tests and rotate the bench hooker. I’d keep Taylor to play that role in some of them but also have one other. Don’t know who because Eklund and Aumua don’t fill me with great confidence. Where’s the empty cupboard emoji…

                            In the post match Fozzie seemed pissed of at the players as if they didn't do what was asked. It will be very interesting to see where the axe swings.

                            I think that the locks did their roles (even if those roles weren't great). It was obvious that BBBRs job was to carry and tackle close while SWs was to clean out slightly wider.
                            Taylor was a huge let down, but as you say, we need him still there as the options aren't great. Eklund didn't look the goods against Ireland B. Aumua hasn't risen above 'potential'.
                            Do we take a hail mary shot and throw in an understudy that gets extra coaching?
                            Karl T will be gone anyway and it's time to invest heavily in Ross/De Groot.
                            I'm going to get shot down heavily here as a 'hater' but I don't see Akira being the answer at 6. Is he our best option right now? Probably. But I can see why Barrett was put in. Where are our 6s that play direct, suck in tacklers, make metres and, most importantly, own their channel and make others think twice about going that way..

                            Second to Cane in tackles made. Most amount of metres made running the ball. More defenders beaten than anyone else. I'd suggest the problem doesn't lay there.

                            Before this goes off track I'm not saying at all that Akira didn't have a good game or that he is a problem area. I am saying that IF we are to play a direct tighter game to get forward ascendency I am not yet convinced that he is the player we need (mainly because I don't see him being used that way.)
                            Maybe a casualty in my viewing of the (lack of) gameplan.
                            If I had to pick one thing that gives me this impression it would be that I rarely see a hard shoulder from him in close. He always appears more a wrestler than a hitter I guess.
                            Again, this is not to say that he isn't our best option in the jersey or that he is a poor player.

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                            @Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:

                            He always appears more a wrestler than a hitter I guess

                            very fair comment. Makes a heap of stops well behind the advantage line, but because it's a wrestle, teh opposition often get support behind the ball so we can't generate a turnover

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                            • CrucialC Crucial

                              @antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:

                              @Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:

                              @ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:

                              So with Lord and Retallick out Scott Barrett under a cloud, we will need to bring in lock or two. I thought a couple of the MAB locks fared pretty well and Dickson would be my first port of call as cover.

                              I think they’ll keep Bower, Ross, Ta’avao, Tu’ungafasi and Laulala. I wouldn’t have the latter two and would replace Karl T.

                              A good opportunity to start Sami in all RC tests and rotate the bench hooker. I’d keep Taylor to play that role in some of them but also have one other. Don’t know who because Eklund and Aumua don’t fill me with great confidence. Where’s the empty cupboard emoji…

                              In the post match Fozzie seemed pissed of at the players as if they didn't do what was asked. It will be very interesting to see where the axe swings.

                              I think that the locks did their roles (even if those roles weren't great). It was obvious that BBBRs job was to carry and tackle close while SWs was to clean out slightly wider.
                              Taylor was a huge let down, but as you say, we need him still there as the options aren't great. Eklund didn't look the goods against Ireland B. Aumua hasn't risen above 'potential'.
                              Do we take a hail mary shot and throw in an understudy that gets extra coaching?
                              Karl T will be gone anyway and it's time to invest heavily in Ross/De Groot.
                              I'm going to get shot down heavily here as a 'hater' but I don't see Akira being the answer at 6. Is he our best option right now? Probably. But I can see why Barrett was put in. Where are our 6s that play direct, suck in tacklers, make metres and, most importantly, own their channel and make others think twice about going that way..

                              Second to Cane in tackles made. Most amount of metres made running the ball. More defenders beaten than anyone else. I'd suggest the problem doesn't lay there.

                              Before this goes off track I'm not saying at all that Akira didn't have a good game or that he is a problem area. I am saying that IF we are to play a direct tighter game to get forward ascendency I am not yet convinced that he is the player we need (mainly because I don't see him being used that way.)
                              Maybe a casualty in my viewing of the (lack of) gameplan.
                              If I had to pick one thing that gives me this impression it would be that I rarely see a hard shoulder from him in close. He always appears more a wrestler than a hitter I guess.
                              Again, this is not to say that he isn't our best option in the jersey or that he is a poor player.

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                              @Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:

                              If I had to pick one thing that gives me this impression it would be that I rarely see a hard shoulder from him in close. He always appears more a wrestler than a hitter I guess.

                              Probably the best player in the country at stopping attacking momentum and holding up the ball for a maul turnover. It's a huge part of his game

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                                @Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:

                                If I had to pick one thing that gives me this impression it would be that I rarely see a hard shoulder from him in close. He always appears more a wrestler than a hitter I guess.

                                Probably the best player in the country at stopping attacking momentum and holding up the ball for a maul turnover. It's a huge part of his game

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                                @Duluth said in All Blacks 2022:

                                @Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:

                                If I had to pick one thing that gives me this impression it would be that I rarely see a hard shoulder from him in close. He always appears more a wrestler than a hitter I guess.

                                Probably the best player in the country at stopping attacking momentum and holding up the ball for a maul turnover. It's a huge part of his game

                                True, but good teams don't let that happen much. At the top level stopping someone dead in their tracks and putting them down quickly is the biggest momentum killer and momentum is the main thing you don't want them to get.

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                                  @Duluth said in All Blacks 2022:

                                  @Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:

                                  If I had to pick one thing that gives me this impression it would be that I rarely see a hard shoulder from him in close. He always appears more a wrestler than a hitter I guess.

                                  Probably the best player in the country at stopping attacking momentum and holding up the ball for a maul turnover. It's a huge part of his game

                                  True, but good teams don't let that happen much. At the top level stopping someone dead in their tracks and putting them down quickly is the biggest momentum killer and momentum is the main thing you don't want them to get.

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                                  He doesn't always go for the held up. I don't think there is another loose forward that stop the opposition momentum as good as him close to the line. Defensive strength post contact slows everything down on attack

                                  It'd be nice if some of the tight five joined in every now and then

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                                    Thought that was a breakout game by Akira. He and Savea were the best AB forwards out there. All we need now is a No.8 to complement them.

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                                      He doesn't always go for the held up. I don't think there is another loose forward that stop the opposition momentum as good as him close to the line. Defensive strength post contact slows everything down on attack

                                      It'd be nice if some of the tight five joined in every now and then

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                                      @Duluth said in All Blacks 2022:

                                      @Crucial

                                      He doesn't always go for the held up. I don't think there is another loose forward that stop the opposition momentum as good as him close to the line. Defensive strength post contact slows everything down on attack

                                      It'd be nice if some of the tight five joined in every now and then

                                      I saw BBBR putting in heaps of work. Pity that the other four were tasked with standing in pods or staying wide.

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                                        @Duluth said in All Blacks 2022:

                                        @Crucial

                                        He doesn't always go for the held up. I don't think there is another loose forward that stop the opposition momentum as good as him close to the line. Defensive strength post contact slows everything down on attack

                                        It'd be nice if some of the tight five joined in every now and then

                                        I saw BBBR putting in heaps of work. Pity that the other four were tasked with standing in pods or staying wide.

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                                        @Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:

                                        tasked with standing in pods or staying wide.

                                        lots of the first half looked like U12s with kicking. everyone avoiding the ruck and getting themselves in position to do a run by themselves.

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                                          @antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:

                                          @Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:

                                          @ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:

                                          So with Lord and Retallick out Scott Barrett under a cloud, we will need to bring in lock or two. I thought a couple of the MAB locks fared pretty well and Dickson would be my first port of call as cover.

                                          I think they’ll keep Bower, Ross, Ta’avao, Tu’ungafasi and Laulala. I wouldn’t have the latter two and would replace Karl T.

                                          A good opportunity to start Sami in all RC tests and rotate the bench hooker. I’d keep Taylor to play that role in some of them but also have one other. Don’t know who because Eklund and Aumua don’t fill me with great confidence. Where’s the empty cupboard emoji…

                                          In the post match Fozzie seemed pissed of at the players as if they didn't do what was asked. It will be very interesting to see where the axe swings.

                                          I think that the locks did their roles (even if those roles weren't great). It was obvious that BBBRs job was to carry and tackle close while SWs was to clean out slightly wider.
                                          Taylor was a huge let down, but as you say, we need him still there as the options aren't great. Eklund didn't look the goods against Ireland B. Aumua hasn't risen above 'potential'.
                                          Do we take a hail mary shot and throw in an understudy that gets extra coaching?
                                          Karl T will be gone anyway and it's time to invest heavily in Ross/De Groot.
                                          I'm going to get shot down heavily here as a 'hater' but I don't see Akira being the answer at 6. Is he our best option right now? Probably. But I can see why Barrett was put in. Where are our 6s that play direct, suck in tacklers, make metres and, most importantly, own their channel and make others think twice about going that way..

                                          Second to Cane in tackles made. Most amount of metres made running the ball. More defenders beaten than anyone else. I'd suggest the problem doesn't lay there.

                                          Before this goes off track I'm not saying at all that Akira didn't have a good game or that he is a problem area. I am saying that IF we are to play a direct tighter game to get forward ascendency I am not yet convinced that he is the player we need (mainly because I don't see him being used that way.)
                                          Maybe a casualty in my viewing of the (lack of) gameplan.
                                          If I had to pick one thing that gives me this impression it would be that I rarely see a hard shoulder from him in close. He always appears more a wrestler than a hitter I guess.
                                          Again, this is not to say that he isn't our best option in the jersey or that he is a poor player.

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                                          @Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:

                                          If I had to pick one thing that gives me this impression it would be that I rarely see a hard shoulder from him in close. He always appears more a wrestler than a hitter I guess.

                                          This also applies to his running style with the ball.
                                          He likes to jink just prior to contact rather than run straight and hard and blast through. Not saying it isn't effective sometimes (like the last game), but it appears he has the size and power to be a direct runner.

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