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  • M Machpants

    @KiwiMurph said in Foster must go:

    Kirwan also tipped the ABs 13+ on the weekend

    So did 18 Ferners! 🤣

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    @Machpants said in Foster must go:

    @KiwiMurph said in Foster must go:

    Kirwan also tipped the ABs 13+ on the weekend

    So did 18 Ferners! 🤣

    To be fair, betting on a Foster team is an utter lottery.

    I gave up on it a decade ago with the Chiefs. There is just no way you can tell what is coming.

    I though the ABs might win by 13+, but then I thought they might lose by 13+ too.

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    • TimT Tim

      It's bad enough that this NZRU PR is passed off as "analysis" in our horrible media environment, but does the Herald really need to promote it too? At the very least it should be marked as "sponsored content".

      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/rugby-how-all-blacks-coach-ian-foster-can-keep-his-job-sir-john-kirwan/5ZISAIDMEBEBVS22CJOW5UM4FA/

      All Black great Sir John Kirwan says now is not the time to change the All Blacks coach as pressure mounts on Ian Foster following the 2-1 series defeat to Ireland.

      In an interview with Newstalk ZB's Tim Dower, Kirwan was asked if now was the time to change the coaching staff.

      "Not at all. I think there's going to be some real decisions to make. They've got the Rugby Championship coming up, flying to South Africa next week. It's never been done in the history of the game [firing an All Blacks coach]. I believe Ian Foster can turn this around. Well he has to turn it around - should I say.

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      @Tim said in Foster must go:

      It's bad enough that this NZRU PR is passed off as "analysis" in our horrible media environment, but does the Herald really need to promote it too? At the very least it should be marked as "sponsored content".

      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/rugby-how-all-blacks-coach-ian-foster-can-keep-his-job-sir-john-kirwan/5ZISAIDMEBEBVS22CJOW5UM4FA/

      All Black great Sir John Kirwan says now is not the time to change the All Blacks coach as pressure mounts on Ian Foster following the 2-1 series defeat to Ireland.

      In an interview with Newstalk ZB's Tim Dower, Kirwan was asked if now was the time to change the coaching staff.

      "Not at all. I think there's going to be some real decisions to make. They've got the Rugby Championship coming up, flying to South Africa next week. It's never been done in the history of the game [firing an All Blacks coach]. I believe Ian Foster can turn this around. Well he has to turn it around - should I say.

      Title of piece:
      Shit coach endorses shit coach

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      • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

        @gt12 if Moody was fit he wouldn't even be playing

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        @mariner4life Didn't they sign Moody to a long contract extension as well? It's like they stopped watching rugby after the Lions tour 2015.

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        • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

          @gt12 if Moody was fit he wouldn't even be playing

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          @mariner4life said in Foster must go:

          @gt12 if Moody was fit he wouldn't even be playing

          Jesus fucking Christ.

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            @mariner4life said in Foster must go:

            @gt12 if Moody was fit he wouldn't even be playing

            Jesus fucking Christ.

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            @gt12 said in Foster must go:

            @mariner4life said in Foster must go:

            @gt12 if Moody was fit he wouldn't even be playing

            Jesus fucking Christ.

            the plan seems to be to play the exact same forward pack in two consecutive world cups

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            • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

              @gt12 said in Foster must go:

              @mariner4life said in Foster must go:

              @gt12 if Moody was fit he wouldn't even be playing

              Jesus fucking Christ.

              the plan seems to be to play the exact same forward pack in two consecutive world cups

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              @mariner4life said in Foster must go:

              @gt12 said in Foster must go:

              @mariner4life said in Foster must go:

              @gt12 if Moody was fit he wouldn't even be playing

              Jesus fucking Christ.

              the plan seems to be to play the exact same forward pack in two consecutive world cups

              Some bright individual will come up with a definition of madness to suit.

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              • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

                @gt12 said in Foster must go:

                @mariner4life said in Foster must go:

                @gt12 if Moody was fit he wouldn't even be playing

                Jesus fucking Christ.

                the plan seems to be to play the exact same forward pack in two consecutive world cups

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                @mariner4life said in Foster must go:

                @gt12 said in Foster must go:

                @mariner4life said in Foster must go:

                @gt12 if Moody was fit he wouldn't even be playing

                Jesus fucking Christ.

                the plan seems to be to play the exact same forward pack in two consecutive world cups

                I have heard a comment that the current coaches think that props generally need to be at least 28 years old to be developed enough for test rugby ...

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                • TimT Tim

                  @mariner4life said in Foster must go:

                  @gt12 said in Foster must go:

                  @mariner4life said in Foster must go:

                  @gt12 if Moody was fit he wouldn't even be playing

                  Jesus fucking Christ.

                  the plan seems to be to play the exact same forward pack in two consecutive world cups

                  I have heard a comment that the current coaches think that props generally need to be at least 28 years old to be developed enough for test rugby ...

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                  @Tim said in Foster must go:

                  @mariner4life said in Foster must go:

                  @gt12 said in Foster must go:

                  @mariner4life said in Foster must go:

                  @gt12 if Moody was fit he wouldn't even be playing

                  Jesus fucking Christ.

                  the plan seems to be to play the exact same forward pack in two consecutive world cups

                  I have heard a comment that the current coaches think that props generally need to be at least 28 years old to be developed enough for test rugby ...

                  https://c.tenor.com/3z-fNnWkiy4AAAAM/80s-1980s.gif

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                    Would people be amenable to Foster remaining if his assistants were given the arse?

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                    • antipodeanA antipodean

                      Would people be amenable to Foster remaining if his assistants were given the arse?

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                      @antipodean said in Foster must go:

                      Would people be amenable to Foster remaining if his assistants were given the arse?

                      No, that's bollocks. Who would take over for a start, and the buck stops at the top. He just hasn't owned up to his incompetence at all

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                      • gt12G gt12

                        Although Bower has been excellent, I think the way that he is going well - essentially based on repeated efforts - shows that we should be using the younger players. For all we know, another one of the younger props with a big motor could be even better. When he is getting compared to old slow set-piecers like Laulala and Karl, it's not a surprise that he is a bright spot.

                        I'm not trying to run him down, just arguing that if they made better selections, we'd know if he was the best next LH around or is just better than the old slow ones we currently have.

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                        @gt12 said in Foster must go:

                        Although Bower has been excellent, I think the way that he is going well - essentially based on repeated efforts - shows that we should be using the younger players.

                        Bower isn't young either, he's 30.

                        I wouldn't be looking so much at the players age or experience (or lack of it), but more their performance. Just like the introduction of ST, finding new props with the hunger is a good start.

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                        • M Machpants

                          @antipodean said in Foster must go:

                          Would people be amenable to Foster remaining if his assistants were given the arse?

                          No, that's bollocks. Who would take over for a start, and the buck stops at the top. He just hasn't owned up to his incompetence at all

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                          @Machpants he picked his team, therefore he goes with them.

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                          • antipodeanA antipodean

                            Would people be amenable to Foster remaining if his assistants were given the arse?

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                            @antipodean said in Foster must go:

                            Would people be amenable to Foster remaining if his assistants were given the arse?

                            I’m not amenable to it but I think it will be the result.

                            Can they attract a world class defense and attack coach though? Schmidt can likely do one of those roles. Plus?

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                              Just a question. That initial squad was for the Ireland series only wasn't it? When does the new squad get announced considering that they are meant to fly out soon?

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                              • CrucialC Crucial

                                Just a question. That initial squad was for the Ireland series only wasn't it? When does the new squad get announced considering that they are meant to fly out soon?

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                                @Crucial said in Foster must go:

                                Just a question. That initial squad was for the Ireland series only wasn't it? When does the new squad get announced considering that they are meant to fly out soon?

                                had the same thought this morning

                                any change has to be now, or we wait until October.

                                If they decide to wait until October i can see him staying the other 12 months unless we lose absolutely everything.

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                                  https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/weekend-sport-with-jason-pine/audio/james-mconie-on-whats-going-wrong-with-the-all-blacks/

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                                  • CrucialC Crucial

                                    Just a question. That initial squad was for the Ireland series only wasn't it? When does the new squad get announced considering that they are meant to fly out soon?

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                                    @Crucial said in Foster must go:

                                    Just a question. That initial squad was for the Ireland series only wasn't it? When does the new squad get announced considering that they are meant to fly out soon?

                                    Normally those things are announced at the morning press conference on the day following the test, you know the one foster wimped out of

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                                    • TimT Tim

                                      https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/weekend-sport-with-jason-pine/audio/james-mconie-on-whats-going-wrong-with-the-all-blacks/

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                                      Old Samurai Jack
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                                      @Tim Interesting part about the players' perspectives. Not a happy camp.

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                                      • O Old Samurai Jack

                                        @Tim Interesting part about the players' perspectives. Not a happy camp.

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                                        @Old-Samurai-Jack There's also whispers that Plumtree is not rated by the players.

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                                        • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

                                          @Crucial said in Foster must go:

                                          Just a question. That initial squad was for the Ireland series only wasn't it? When does the new squad get announced considering that they are meant to fly out soon?

                                          had the same thought this morning

                                          any change has to be now, or we wait until October.

                                          If they decide to wait until October i can see him staying the other 12 months unless we lose absolutely everything.

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                                          @mariner4life yeah I mentioned that in one of my hundred posts yesterday...if they move, it needs to be now to give the new coach a chance to select thier TRC squad.

                                          Post TRC will just damage things further.

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