Foster, Robertson etc
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@taniwharugby said in Foster must go:
@Crucial said in Foster must go:
I don’t know it for certain but I feel a disconnection and Ian Foster has to sort that out somehow.”
how long would JK give for Foster to sort that out, extend his contract post RWC too? I mean he's only been in charge for coming up 3 years (was involved prior too) and the issues present now, were there previously (prior to him taking complete control) and havent shown signs of improvement.
Have you seen the show? You are commenting way out of context and placing emphasis on the wrong points. It was a brief comment, more about how how he thinks there is a disconnection similar to what he has experienced himself. The last few words simply mean 'If he was to stay, that needs fixing'.
@Crucial nope, but how is that relevant in here...seen soundbites and quotes, that's enough for outrage and making judgements.
Points remain relevant, how long do you give him?
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there is the old saying that goes something like "what makes great coaches? Great players"
Maybe, if we step back and take the black glasses off, this isn't all Ian's fault. Maybe, just maybe, NZ players aren't very good any more.
Our front row players range from adequate to definitely substandard (with one possible, but as yet unproven) exception
Our 2nd rowers are putting in a shift, but do they actually contribute anything meaningful?
In the loose forwards, on the weekend perhaps our 6 & 8 had points wins over their opposite (7 clearly did not) but that is only if you ignore the fact we lost the ruck battle, and the tackle battle.
Our halfback can't kick with accuracy or depth.
there is no 10 in the country who can calmly run a game, or kick well from hand.
We don't appear to have a 12 anywhere, though playing 12 outside our erratic and unpredictable 10s must be a fucking nightmare
Our 13 is a converted winger with limitless potential but still several key questionmarks
Win seems okay
Our fullback is good under the high ball, but not much good at anything else, and loves a poor optionAnd a big issue is, who do you swap these guys out for? No one else is bashing the door down.
I'm just throwing it out there, maybe, just maybe, we lose to Ireland because they have better players than us now. And we, the NZ rugby fan, refuse to believe it because it has never been so.
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there is the old saying that goes something like "what makes great coaches? Great players"
Maybe, if we step back and take the black glasses off, this isn't all Ian's fault. Maybe, just maybe, NZ players aren't very good any more.
Our front row players range from adequate to definitely substandard (with one possible, but as yet unproven) exception
Our 2nd rowers are putting in a shift, but do they actually contribute anything meaningful?
In the loose forwards, on the weekend perhaps our 6 & 8 had points wins over their opposite (7 clearly did not) but that is only if you ignore the fact we lost the ruck battle, and the tackle battle.
Our halfback can't kick with accuracy or depth.
there is no 10 in the country who can calmly run a game, or kick well from hand.
We don't appear to have a 12 anywhere, though playing 12 outside our erratic and unpredictable 10s must be a fucking nightmare
Our 13 is a converted winger with limitless potential but still several key questionmarks
Win seems okay
Our fullback is good under the high ball, but not much good at anything else, and loves a poor optionAnd a big issue is, who do you swap these guys out for? No one else is bashing the door down.
I'm just throwing it out there, maybe, just maybe, we lose to Ireland because they have better players than us now. And we, the NZ rugby fan, refuse to believe it because it has never been so.
@mariner4life yep, without a doubt, problems are not just Fozzie, they go above and below him, but Robinson aint gonna sack himself, Fozzie isnt gonna be able to attract some quality new assistants to help him.
Some work needs to be done on the development, the loss of players over the past 10 or so years now finally starting to hurt?
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there is the old saying that goes something like "what makes great coaches? Great players"
Maybe, if we step back and take the black glasses off, this isn't all Ian's fault. Maybe, just maybe, NZ players aren't very good any more.
Our front row players range from adequate to definitely substandard (with one possible, but as yet unproven) exception
Our 2nd rowers are putting in a shift, but do they actually contribute anything meaningful?
In the loose forwards, on the weekend perhaps our 6 & 8 had points wins over their opposite (7 clearly did not) but that is only if you ignore the fact we lost the ruck battle, and the tackle battle.
Our halfback can't kick with accuracy or depth.
there is no 10 in the country who can calmly run a game, or kick well from hand.
We don't appear to have a 12 anywhere, though playing 12 outside our erratic and unpredictable 10s must be a fucking nightmare
Our 13 is a converted winger with limitless potential but still several key questionmarks
Win seems okay
Our fullback is good under the high ball, but not much good at anything else, and loves a poor optionAnd a big issue is, who do you swap these guys out for? No one else is bashing the door down.
I'm just throwing it out there, maybe, just maybe, we lose to Ireland because they have better players than us now. And we, the NZ rugby fan, refuse to believe it because it has never been so.
@mariner4life said in Foster must go:
We don't appear to have a 12 anywhere, though playing 12 outside our erratic and unpredictable 10s must be a fucking nightmare
Are there any genuinely large, fast, and powerful 12s in NZ? TUJ has potential but is almost always injured.
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@mariner4life said in Foster must go:
We don't appear to have a 12 anywhere, though playing 12 outside our erratic and unpredictable 10s must be a fucking nightmare
Are there any genuinely large, fast, and powerful 12s in NZ? TUJ has potential but is almost always injured.
@Tim said in Foster must go:
@mariner4life said in Foster must go:
We don't appear to have a 12 anywhere, though playing 12 outside our erratic and unpredictable 10s must be a fucking nightmare
Are there any genuinely large, fast, and powerful 12s in NZ? TUJ has potential but is almost always injured.
12 is a great microcosm of our current issue
In all reality you have 5 in teh country to choose from. Currently the Highlanders are so shit you would have to be amazing to be considered. So we are down to 4.
We picked 3 of them. Every single player selected is different. The coaches don't know what they want in a 12, so they just picked the best performing 3 (well 4, but one is also a centre).So a shallow talent pool playing a small number of systems (all very similar) and a selection committee not sold on what they want their 12 to be.
How does that create success?
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@Tim said in Foster must go:
@mariner4life said in Foster must go:
We don't appear to have a 12 anywhere, though playing 12 outside our erratic and unpredictable 10s must be a fucking nightmare
Are there any genuinely large, fast, and powerful 12s in NZ? TUJ has potential but is almost always injured.
12 is a great microcosm of our current issue
In all reality you have 5 in teh country to choose from. Currently the Highlanders are so shit you would have to be amazing to be considered. So we are down to 4.
We picked 3 of them. Every single player selected is different. The coaches don't know what they want in a 12, so they just picked the best performing 3 (well 4, but one is also a centre).So a shallow talent pool playing a small number of systems (all very similar) and a selection committee not sold on what they want their 12 to be.
How does that create success?
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@mariner4life Bring back the NPC! 10 NZ based teams, followed by knock out series against 7 Australian based teams.
@Tim said in Foster must go:
@mariner4life Bring back the NPC! 10 NZ based teams, followed by knock out series against 7 Australian based teams.
unfortunately this makes us even worse because we spread the talent even further, and our players slip in their development.
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@Tim said in Foster must go:
@mariner4life Bring back the NPC! 10 NZ based teams, followed by knock out series against 7 Australian based teams.
unfortunately this makes us even worse because we spread the talent even further, and our players slip in their development.
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@mariner4life Coaches wouldn't be as good overall, but there would be more players getting game time, and more room for different styles of play.
@Tim said in Foster must go:
@mariner4life Coaches wouldn't be as good overall, but there would be more players getting game time, and more room for different styles of play.
who would Peter Russel of the central vikings choose between Fakatava or Smith? the other must stay & play for the Otago Stags
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@Tim said in Foster must go:
@mariner4life Coaches wouldn't be as good overall, but there would be more players getting game time, and more room for different styles of play.
who would Peter Russel of the central vikings choose between Fakatava or Smith? the other must stay & play for the Otago Stags
@FakatavaAllBlack said in Foster must go:
@Tim said in Foster must go:
@mariner4life Coaches wouldn't be as good overall, but there would be more players getting game time, and more room for different styles of play.
who would Peter Russel of the central vikings choose between Fakatava or Smith? the other must stay & play for the Otago Stags
Someone ban this mofo please.
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there is the old saying that goes something like "what makes great coaches? Great players"
Maybe, if we step back and take the black glasses off, this isn't all Ian's fault. Maybe, just maybe, NZ players aren't very good any more.
Our front row players range from adequate to definitely substandard (with one possible, but as yet unproven) exception
Our 2nd rowers are putting in a shift, but do they actually contribute anything meaningful?
In the loose forwards, on the weekend perhaps our 6 & 8 had points wins over their opposite (7 clearly did not) but that is only if you ignore the fact we lost the ruck battle, and the tackle battle.
Our halfback can't kick with accuracy or depth.
there is no 10 in the country who can calmly run a game, or kick well from hand.
We don't appear to have a 12 anywhere, though playing 12 outside our erratic and unpredictable 10s must be a fucking nightmare
Our 13 is a converted winger with limitless potential but still several key questionmarks
Win seems okay
Our fullback is good under the high ball, but not much good at anything else, and loves a poor optionAnd a big issue is, who do you swap these guys out for? No one else is bashing the door down.
I'm just throwing it out there, maybe, just maybe, we lose to Ireland because they have better players than us now. And we, the NZ rugby fan, refuse to believe it because it has never been so.
@mariner4life said in Foster must go:
there is no 10 in the country who can calmly run a game, or kick well from hand.
Stacking of talent doesn't help.
Beauden, Perofeta and Zarn at the Blues whilst Highlanders have to roll out Marty Banks at 10.
Same for Suafoa - Maori game 1 showed he has enough ability to be a regular Super Rugby 6 (and maybe more) but he only got 2.5 games this year.
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@FakatavaAllBlack said in Foster must go:
@Tim said in Foster must go:
@mariner4life Coaches wouldn't be as good overall, but there would be more players getting game time, and more room for different styles of play.
who would Peter Russel of the central vikings choose between Fakatava or Smith? the other must stay & play for the Otago Stags
Someone ban this mofo please.
@Nepia we all know how much you loved the CV and thier orange jersies....
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@Nepia we all know how much you loved the CV and thier orange jersies....
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@taniwharugby An orange jersey is fine ... but only if worn by athletes from the Netherlands.
@Stargazer said in Foster must go:
@taniwharugby An orange jersey is fine ... but only if worn by athletes from the Netherlands.
nether regions is close enough...
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there is the old saying that goes something like "what makes great coaches? Great players"
Maybe, if we step back and take the black glasses off, this isn't all Ian's fault. Maybe, just maybe, NZ players aren't very good any more.
Our front row players range from adequate to definitely substandard (with one possible, but as yet unproven) exception
Our 2nd rowers are putting in a shift, but do they actually contribute anything meaningful?
In the loose forwards, on the weekend perhaps our 6 & 8 had points wins over their opposite (7 clearly did not) but that is only if you ignore the fact we lost the ruck battle, and the tackle battle.
Our halfback can't kick with accuracy or depth.
there is no 10 in the country who can calmly run a game, or kick well from hand.
We don't appear to have a 12 anywhere, though playing 12 outside our erratic and unpredictable 10s must be a fucking nightmare
Our 13 is a converted winger with limitless potential but still several key questionmarks
Win seems okay
Our fullback is good under the high ball, but not much good at anything else, and loves a poor optionAnd a big issue is, who do you swap these guys out for? No one else is bashing the door down.
I'm just throwing it out there, maybe, just maybe, we lose to Ireland because they have better players than us now. And we, the NZ rugby fan, refuse to believe it because it has never been so.
@mariner4life said in Foster must go:
I'm just throwing it out there, maybe, just maybe, we lose to Ireland because they have better players than us now. And we, the NZ rugby fan, refuse to believe it because it has never been so.
Foster must be one of the most unlucky bastards ever to live then.
He must have had crap players at the Chiefs, only for Rennie to get lucky and have brilliant ones just as he left.
And then he takes a winning AB side, albeit with a couple of issues, and all the players turn to custard just at the same time! Players who lead Super sides well, only to be headless chooks when playing for him.
Rennie actually has that issue. But his sides still have some structure, whether winning or losing. The ABs don't even know what they are doing half the time.
Foster has done with the ABs exactly what those who watched the Chiefs carefully said would happen. We said he would have favourites that he would not drop, that his selections otherwise would be baffling, that his "game plan" is basically to spread it wide and hope. And worst of all, his teams would be poorly prepared mentally . They weren't lucky guesses.
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@Nepia we all know how much you loved the CV and thier orange jersies....
@taniwharugby said in Foster must go:
@Nepia we all know how much you loved the CV and thier orange jersies....
Ugh, someone had to design that, which meant they probably had it on their CV at some stage. :astonished_face:
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@Tim said in Foster must go:
@mariner4life said in Foster must go:
We don't appear to have a 12 anywhere, though playing 12 outside our erratic and unpredictable 10s must be a fucking nightmare
Are there any genuinely large, fast, and powerful 12s in NZ? TUJ has potential but is almost always injured.
12 is a great microcosm of our current issue
In all reality you have 5 in teh country to choose from. Currently the Highlanders are so shit you would have to be amazing to be considered. So we are down to 4.
We picked 3 of them. Every single player selected is different. The coaches don't know what they want in a 12, so they just picked the best performing 3 (well 4, but one is also a centre).So a shallow talent pool playing a small number of systems (all very similar) and a selection committee not sold on what they want their 12 to be.
How does that create success?
@mariner4life said in Foster must go:
@Tim said in Foster must go:
@mariner4life said in Foster must go:
We don't appear to have a 12 anywhere, though playing 12 outside our erratic and unpredictable 10s must be a fucking nightmare
Are there any genuinely large, fast, and powerful 12s in NZ? TUJ has potential but is almost always injured.
12 is a great microcosm of our current issue
In all reality you have 5 in teh country to choose from. Currently the Highlanders are so shit you would have to be amazing to be considered. So we are down to 4.
We picked 3 of them. Every single player selected is different. The coaches don't know what they want in a 12, so they just picked the best performing 3 (well 4, but one is also a centre).So a shallow talent pool playing a small number of systems (all very similar) and a selection committee not sold on what they want their 12 to be.
How does that create success?
If I am not allowed to consider TUJ* then RTS, Tupea, Goodhue, Havili..and JB!'
I count 5! Do I win something? Next year, ALB**, so 2023 has six.Now that should be enough. We just need to coach them properly and choose a 10 that can work effectively with them.
[So don't consider this oddball but does Zarn Sullivan have 12 potential? He's nearly JB size!
https://www.blues.rugby/zarn-sullivan-player-profile
Oh and where is he ranked nationally as a 10? Has he played enough there? ]*So I am biased. If you are a nephew of Tana and Jerry you are basically T-Rex terrifying, tackle-crunching mofo royalty as far as I am concerned.
**I think(?) ALB has played 12 more often than 13 for the ABs? -
@taniwharugby said in Foster must go:
@Nepia we all know how much you loved the CV and thier orange jersies....
Ugh, someone had to design that, which meant they probably had it on their CV at some stage. :astonished_face:
@Nepia said in Foster must go:
@taniwharugby said in Foster must go:
@Nepia we all know how much you loved the CV and thier orange jersies....
Ugh, someone had to design that, which meant they probably had it on their CV at some stage. :astonished_face:
Where did the 50 year old model come from?
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there is the old saying that goes something like "what makes great coaches? Great players"
Maybe, if we step back and take the black glasses off, this isn't all Ian's fault. Maybe, just maybe, NZ players aren't very good any more.
Our front row players range from adequate to definitely substandard (with one possible, but as yet unproven) exception
Our 2nd rowers are putting in a shift, but do they actually contribute anything meaningful?
In the loose forwards, on the weekend perhaps our 6 & 8 had points wins over their opposite (7 clearly did not) but that is only if you ignore the fact we lost the ruck battle, and the tackle battle.
Our halfback can't kick with accuracy or depth.
there is no 10 in the country who can calmly run a game, or kick well from hand.
We don't appear to have a 12 anywhere, though playing 12 outside our erratic and unpredictable 10s must be a fucking nightmare
Our 13 is a converted winger with limitless potential but still several key questionmarks
Win seems okay
Our fullback is good under the high ball, but not much good at anything else, and loves a poor optionAnd a big issue is, who do you swap these guys out for? No one else is bashing the door down.
I'm just throwing it out there, maybe, just maybe, we lose to Ireland because they have better players than us now. And we, the NZ rugby fan, refuse to believe it because it has never been so.
@mariner4life said in Foster must go:
there is the old saying that goes something like "what makes great coaches? Great players"
Maybe, if we step back and take the black glasses off, this isn't all Ian's fault. Maybe, just maybe, NZ players aren't very good any more.
Our front row players range from adequate to definitely substandard (with one possible, but as yet unproven) exception
Our 2nd rowers are putting in a shift, but do they actually contribute anything meaningful?
In the loose forwards, on the weekend perhaps our 6 & 8 had points wins over their opposite (7 clearly did not) but that is only if you ignore the fact we lost the ruck battle, and the tackle battle.
Our halfback can't kick with accuracy or depth.
there is no 10 in the country who can calmly run a game, or kick well from hand.
We don't appear to have a 12 anywhere, though playing 12 outside our erratic and unpredictable 10s must be a fucking nightmare
Our 13 is a converted winger with limitless potential but still several key questionmarks
Win seems okay
Our fullback is good under the high ball, but not much good at anything else, and loves a poor optionAnd a big issue is, who do you swap these guys out for? No one else is bashing the door down.
I'm just throwing it out there, maybe, just maybe, we lose to Ireland because they have better players than us now. And we, the NZ rugby fan, refuse to believe it because it has never been so.
You could be just as equally critical of any countries depth chart. If you choose to believe Keith Earls would be the first backline player picked for the All Blacks for example, then you are certainly welcome to that opinion.
