Foster, Robertson etc
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@Dan54 said in Foster must go:
@MajorRage said in Foster must go:
@Dan54 said in Foster must go:
@MajorRage said in Foster must go:
@Catogrande said in Foster must go:
@MajorRage @Dan54
Reason is the stopped clock of rugby journalism. By default he will be right once every 24 times. However even when he is right, his style is really quite spiteful.
And he is a fluffybunny.
I agree with a lot of what he says. Far in excess of 1 in 24. More like 3 in 4.
I guess Dan has no respect for me. Oh how will I go on.
Where did I say that Major, you really making up stuff, I didn't say you couldn't or shouldn't read them, just saying if you quote his write up to back something, I think it lessens the quality of argument.
I didn't think you were the type to twist a pretty innocent statement so much,, but that's ok.It’s a play on words.
Since Trump, the world has been obsessed more on who is saying it as opposed to what is being said.
I dislike it. As a good point is a good point, regardless of who says it. And I’ll happily quote Reason if I agree with him or disagree with him.
No problem with you reading Reason, as I said I chose not to and he's not someone I personally don't respect enough to think any argument of his would sway my opinion. I don't judge you or did I even indicate this statement made by you because of it. "I guess Dan has no respect for me. Oh how will I go on" is anyway valid,
That's not a play on words, it's completely outside of what I said and you know it.
But I repeat if that make you feel better, that's ok.Sigh. You said you have slightly lower opinion of those who quote him etc … so I say you have no respect for me …. Which implies you (like others) have such little respect for me to start with …..
Anyway, point stands. Message more important than the messenger.
@MajorRage said in Foster must go:
@Dan54 said in Foster must go:
@MajorRage said in Foster must go:
@Dan54 said in Foster must go:
@MajorRage said in Foster must go:
@Catogrande said in Foster must go:
@MajorRage @Dan54
Reason is the stopped clock of rugby journalism. By default he will be right once every 24 times. However even when he is right, his style is really quite spiteful.
And he is a fluffybunny.
I agree with a lot of what he says. Far in excess of 1 in 24. More like 3 in 4.
I guess Dan has no respect for me. Oh how will I go on.
Where did I say that Major, you really making up stuff, I didn't say you couldn't or shouldn't read them, just saying if you quote his write up to back something, I think it lessens the quality of argument.
I didn't think you were the type to twist a pretty innocent statement so much,, but that's ok.It’s a play on words.
Since Trump, the world has been obsessed more on who is saying it as opposed to what is being said.
I dislike it. As a good point is a good point, regardless of who says it. And I’ll happily quote Reason if I agree with him or disagree with him.
No problem with you reading Reason, as I said I chose not to and he's not someone I personally don't respect enough to think any argument of his would sway my opinion. I don't judge you or did I even indicate this statement made by you because of it. "I guess Dan has no respect for me. Oh how will I go on" is anyway valid,
That's not a play on words, it's completely outside of what I said and you know it.
But I repeat if that make you feel better, that's ok.Sigh. You said you have slightly lower opinion of those who quote him etc … so I say you have no respect for me …. Which implies you (like others) have such little respect for me to start with …..
Anyway, point stands. Message more important than the messenger.
Well if it comes across as that apologies, was never intended too, it was about Reason not his readers.
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@MajorRage said in Foster must go:
@Dan54 said in Foster must go:
@MajorRage said in Foster must go:
@Dan54 said in Foster must go:
@MajorRage said in Foster must go:
@Catogrande said in Foster must go:
@MajorRage @Dan54
Reason is the stopped clock of rugby journalism. By default he will be right once every 24 times. However even when he is right, his style is really quite spiteful.
And he is a fluffybunny.
I agree with a lot of what he says. Far in excess of 1 in 24. More like 3 in 4.
I guess Dan has no respect for me. Oh how will I go on.
Where did I say that Major, you really making up stuff, I didn't say you couldn't or shouldn't read them, just saying if you quote his write up to back something, I think it lessens the quality of argument.
I didn't think you were the type to twist a pretty innocent statement so much,, but that's ok.It’s a play on words.
Since Trump, the world has been obsessed more on who is saying it as opposed to what is being said.
I dislike it. As a good point is a good point, regardless of who says it. And I’ll happily quote Reason if I agree with him or disagree with him.
No problem with you reading Reason, as I said I chose not to and he's not someone I personally don't respect enough to think any argument of his would sway my opinion. I don't judge you or did I even indicate this statement made by you because of it. "I guess Dan has no respect for me. Oh how will I go on" is anyway valid,
That's not a play on words, it's completely outside of what I said and you know it.
But I repeat if that make you feel better, that's ok.Sigh. You said you have slightly lower opinion of those who quote him etc … so I say you have no respect for me …. Which implies you (like others) have such little respect for me to start with …..
Anyway, point stands. Message more important than the messenger.
Well if it comes across as that apologies, was never intended too, it was about Reason not his readers.
And understand what you say about message etc. -
Since Mark Robinson has taken over, NZR in its entirety has lurched from one shitstorm to another. He has a reverse Midas touch. Everything he goes near turns to shit.
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in Foster must go:
Since Mark Robinson has taken over, NZR in its entirety has lurched from one shitstorm to another. He has a reverse Midas touch. Everything he goes near turns to shit.
Robinson needs to go. Foster needs to go. The assistants need to go.
I think only the third will happen today.
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@Bovidae said in Foster must go:
@dogmeat Very similar to my experience with the Walrus when he and a few other UK scribes were sitting at the table next to us at a pub before the Wales-Fiji game in 2011. We were all watching the NZ-Canada game on the big screen and I could clearly hear their comments.
Well come on man, don't leave us hanging!
@voodoo said in Foster must go:
@Bovidae said in Foster must go:
@dogmeat Very similar to my experience with the Walrus when he and a few other UK scribes were sitting at the table next to us at a pub before the Wales-Fiji game in 2011. We were all watching the NZ-Canada game on the big screen and I could clearly hear their comments.
Well come on man, don't leave us hanging!
Just plenty of condescending comments about the ABs and SH rugby. My confirmation the Walrus was a piston wristed gibbon was confirmed when I noticed he was drinking white wine.
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@Steve said in Foster must go:
@stodders If Foster bought ducks they would fucking drown.
Way, way over the top comment....but bloody funny.:clapping_hands: :clapping_hands:
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Stuff understands MacDonald will take charge of the All Blacks XV tour later this year, when those who miss out on All Blacks selection will be given the chance to impress in the northern hemisphere.
@Tim said in All Blacks XV:
Stuff understands MacDonald will take charge of the All Blacks XV tour later this year, when those who miss out on All Blacks selection will be given the chance to impress in the northern hemisphere.
Ah the buck stops below me Robertson and Foster show
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Stuff understands MacDonald will take charge of the All Blacks XV tour later this year, when those who miss out on All Blacks selection will be given the chance to impress in the northern hemisphere.
@Tim the concerning thing about that article, is there is very little mention of McLeod, only that he is the defence coach.
where as:
The All Blacks assistant coaches are John Plumtree (forwards) Greg Feek (scrum), Brad Mooar (attack) and Scott McLeod (defence).
It is understood that Plumtree and Feek did not review favourably following the end-of-year tour in 2021, and players have again been consulted following the 2-1 home series defeat to Ireland.
Mooar’s work with the attack has also been questioned.
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@Tim the concerning thing about that article, is there is very little mention of McLeod, only that he is the defence coach.
where as:
The All Blacks assistant coaches are John Plumtree (forwards) Greg Feek (scrum), Brad Mooar (attack) and Scott McLeod (defence).
It is understood that Plumtree and Feek did not review favourably following the end-of-year tour in 2021, and players have again been consulted following the 2-1 home series defeat to Ireland.
Mooar’s work with the attack has also been questioned.
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks XV:
@Tim the concerning thing about that article, is there is very little mention of McLeod, only that he is the defence coach.
where as:
The All Blacks assistant coaches are John Plumtree (forwards) Greg Feek (scrum), Brad Mooar (attack) and Scott McLeod (defence).
It is understood that Plumtree and Feek did not review favourably following the end-of-year tour in 2021, and players have again been consulted following the 2-1 home series defeat to Ireland.
Mooar’s work with the attack has also been questioned.
Considering the ABs score against records have been tumbling left, right, and centre is pretty weird
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Rearrange-the-assistants and ditch the captain of the ABs -
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(idiomatic) To do something pointless or insignificant that will soon be overtaken by events, or that contributes nothing to the solution of a current problem. -
@sparky said in Foster must go:
"Assistant Heads must roll."
If they sacrifice Cane and a couple of assistants it will be a joke. Cane is not the problem here. He's a warrior. You know what you get with him and he's delivering it - massive work ethic, strong metnal attitude, but limited game style. He's awesome, buta poor fit to the loose trio for reasons we've traversed many times.
Whitelock is a dead set legend, but an aging 33 year old who's part of a tight 5 that gets regularly dominated at the top level. He's smart, but picking him probably puts Retallick's head on the block. Honestly, it's nuts. There are no good options any more.
The curtain of silence has been ridiculous. Some of the most critical times in recent AB history and the Kremlin respond by going quiet and pulling Foster from public view. It's treating the public with derision.
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@sparky said in Foster must go:
"Assistant Heads must roll."
If they sacrifice Cane and a couple of assistants it will be a joke. Cane is not the problem here. He's a warrior. You know what you get with him and he's delivering it - massive work ethic, strong metnal attitude, but limited game style. He's awesome, buta poor fit to the loose trio for reasons we've traversed many times.
Whitelock is a dead set legend, but an aging 33 year old who's part of a tight 5 that gets regularly dominated at the top level. He's smart, but picking him probably puts Retallick's head on the block. Honestly, it's nuts. There are no good options any more.
The curtain of silence has been ridiculous. Some of the most critical times in recent AB history and the Kremlin respond by going quiet and pulling Foster from public view. It's treating the public with derision.
@nzzp said in Foster must go:
@sparky said in Foster must go:
"Assistant Heads must roll."
If they sacrifice Cane and a couple of assistants it will be a joke.
I predicted that Foster would not resign, and he knew that he can't change very many players. But something needs to be done --for the look of it.
I predicted it would be the junior players that sucked the kumara. I was wrong, it was junior coaches and captain, but it's pretty much the same play.
Someone had to go. And once it wasn't Foster, it was always going to be a joke.
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I am equally concerned that Mooar hasn't been criticised by the players, as reading between the lines, he reviewed well.
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I am equally concerned that Mooar hasn't been criticised by the players, as reading between the lines, he reviewed well.
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@Bovidae said in Foster must go:
I am equally concerned that Mooar hasn't been criticised by the players, as reading between the lines, he reviewed well.
And main part of review was done through senior players, this si what will be happening now.
@Dan54 said in Foster must go:
@Bovidae said in Foster must go:
I am equally concerned that Mooar hasn't been criticised by the players, as reading between the lines, he reviewed well.
And main part of review was done through senior players, this si what will be happening now.
They had a review post-EOYT and no one could say that the attack was functioning well then either!
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@KiwiMurph Preceded/followed by announcing his resignation?
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@sparky said in Foster must go:
"Assistant Heads must roll."
If they sacrifice Cane and a couple of assistants it will be a joke. Cane is not the problem here. He's a warrior. You know what you get with him and he's delivering it - massive work ethic, strong metnal attitude, but limited game style. He's awesome, buta poor fit to the loose trio for reasons we've traversed many times.
Whitelock is a dead set legend, but an aging 33 year old who's part of a tight 5 that gets regularly dominated at the top level. He's smart, but picking him probably puts Retallick's head on the block. Honestly, it's nuts. There are no good options any more.
The curtain of silence has been ridiculous. Some of the most critical times in recent AB history and the Kremlin respond by going quiet and pulling Foster from public view. It's treating the public with derision.
@nzzp said in Foster must go:
@sparky said in Foster must go:
"Assistant Heads must roll."
If they sacrifice Cane and a couple of assistants it will be a joke. Cane is not the problem here. He's a warrior. You know what you get with him and he's delivering it - massive work ethic, strong metnal attitude, but limited game style. He's awesome, buta poor fit to the loose trio for reasons we've traversed many times.
Whitelock is a dead set legend, but an aging 33 year old who's part of a tight 5 that gets regularly dominated at the top level. He's smart, but picking him probably puts Retallick's head on the block. Honestly, it's nuts. There are no good options any more.
The curtain of silence has been ridiculous. Some of the most critical times in recent AB history and the Kremlin respond by going quiet and pulling Foster from public view. It's treating the public with derision.
To be fair, Sam Cane is a problem as captain if he doesn't command his place in the team anymore - and him getting subbed at the weekend was a bit indicative of that.
Picking Sam Whitelock through to RWC is probably sensible. He's clearly commanding his place and surely will for the next 12 months - I just hope they don't think he has to play every game.
I guess all will be revealed shortly.
My guess:
Cron taking over from Feek.
Schmidt taking over from Plumtree as 2ic with a realignment of responsibilities - not sure who becomes the forwards coach.
Doesn't seem like McLeod's role as defence coach is on the block.
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@nzzp said in Foster must go:
@sparky said in Foster must go:
"Assistant Heads must roll."
If they sacrifice Cane and a couple of assistants it will be a joke. Cane is not the problem here. He's a warrior. You know what you get with him and he's delivering it - massive work ethic, strong metnal attitude, but limited game style. He's awesome, buta poor fit to the loose trio for reasons we've traversed many times.
Whitelock is a dead set legend, but an aging 33 year old who's part of a tight 5 that gets regularly dominated at the top level. He's smart, but picking him probably puts Retallick's head on the block. Honestly, it's nuts. There are no good options any more.
The curtain of silence has been ridiculous. Some of the most critical times in recent AB history and the Kremlin respond by going quiet and pulling Foster from public view. It's treating the public with derision.
To be fair, Sam Cane is a problem as captain if he doesn't command his place in the team anymore - and him getting subbed at the weekend was a bit indicative of that.
Picking Sam Whitelock through to RWC is probably sensible. He's clearly commanding his place and surely will for the next 12 months - I just hope they don't think he has to play every game.
I guess all will be revealed shortly.
My guess:
Cron taking over from Feek.
Schmidt taking over from Plumtree as 2ic with a realignment of responsibilities - not sure who becomes the forwards coach.
Doesn't seem like McLeod's role as defence coach is on the block.
