All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship
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is seems the coaches want tight forwards that run like loose forwards...loose forwards that run like backs, a 9 that play makes like a 10, a 10 that loops in behind like a 15...a 12 that can play 10 and a 13 that finishes like a winger...all at the expense of the core roles that come with these positions
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
is seems the coaches want tight forwards that run like loose forwards...loose forwards that run like backs, a 9 that play makes like a 10, a 10 that loops in behind like a 15...a 12 that can play 10 and a 13 that finishes like a winger...all at the expense of the core roles that come with these positions
I’d be interested in what these core roles are for the back positions? Other than the halfback which I think every pro team would agree is to clear the ball - what happens after that and who and how that is done is pretty different and with varying degrees of success or otherwise.
Perhaps every team wants their 10 to be able to kick in general play with some level of effectiveness, but even then test matches can be won without it. But there are 10s that spend most of their time in the pocket but then there are those that take on the line - is either of those a core role?
For me it’s a little more fluid. You have a couple of key formations and then you have variations that you use in those formations.
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
is seems the coaches want tight forwards that run like loose forwards...loose forwards that run like backs, a 9 that play makes like a 10, a 10 that loops in behind like a 15...a 12 that can play 10 and a 13 that finishes like a winger...all at the expense of the core roles that come with these positions
I’d be interested in what these core roles are for the back positions? Other than the halfback which I think every pro team would agree is to clear the ball - what happens after that and who and how that is done is pretty different and with varying degrees of success or otherwise.
Perhaps every team wants their 10 to be able to kick in general play with some level of effectiveness, but even then test matches can be won without it. But there are 10s that spend most of their time in the pocket but then there are those that take on the line - is either of those a core role?
For me it’s a little more fluid. You have a couple of key formations and then you have variations that you use in those formations.
@ACT-Crusader i would agree but i dont think we have those variations, feels like are defult plays currently are what we normally would have cracked out as plan c or d, they plays that use to make a win into a hiding....but now we're trying them in the first 10 minutes
the longs pass from smith, often cutting out BB is so telegraphed...and then bb and the rest of the backline swinging round to try and run a move....but now we only have half the width of the pitch
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Blackadder on the EOYT tour looked like someone who deserved to be an Allblack to me.
A Mongrel. He really really wanted it and was climbing into bigger blokes with gay abandon. Maybe could do with putting on a few KG's from my barstool view.
When Blackadder plays, I know he is on the pitch. Same can't be said for a few others.
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@Crucial said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
I would have hoped that the public and journos were smart enough to work out that the reviews and changes that they themselves were demanding take time and they were happening. Did they want things all done and dusted on Tuesday in a mad rush? That would just give them something else to whinge about. Likewise a further statement that 'we are working through the review and outcomes and will let you all know when we have something to announce' only fires up even more accusations of 'tell us now! You know something that you aren't telling us!'
The world doesn't end if we find out a day or two later.I agree with this.
But the board meeting being cancelled and the post-game interviews being cancelled are different. They should have taken place, and the reason being "we don't wanna" is just ludicrous.
@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
@Crucial said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
I would have hoped that the public and journos were smart enough to work out that the reviews and changes that they themselves were demanding take time and they were happening. Did they want things all done and dusted on Tuesday in a mad rush? That would just give them something else to whinge about. Likewise a further statement that 'we are working through the review and outcomes and will let you all know when we have something to announce' only fires up even more accusations of 'tell us now! You know something that you aren't telling us!'
The world doesn't end if we find out a day or two later.I agree with this.
But the board meeting being cancelled and the post-game interviews being cancelled are different. They should have taken place, and the reason being "we don't wanna" is just ludicrous.
Most definitely.
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@Machpants said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
@Crucial said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
NZR continue to fumble thier way around...
So wasnt TRC squad meant to have been named on Wednesday?
But wasnt, comms were they were awaiting some medical scans on some players, fair enough I guess.
The 'news' that Fozzie will stay on, assistants gone
The 'news' Cane is being dropped as captain
Seriously, what a joke, NZR need to take a good hard look at themselves and the leadership they have installed.
My understanding is that there are other factors at play here causing logistical problems. They can't explain that as it would just set the dogs howling with guesswork.
Wellington Airport for example has a 140 flight backlog due to the weather. Key people (players/coaches) are scattered everywhere. Certain very key personnel are on previously arranged 'leave' for very genuine reasons. They don't need (or have to) cancel their plans because the media and internet are champing at the bit to put the boot in further.
As long as they have their plans and people in place then it doesn't matter if the announcement was this morning or this afternoon.
Isn't everyone asking for thought out and measured change rather than knee jerk scrambling? Then they wanted the same timetable set before this change happened? Get real FFS.
I would have said mid-arvo today but that may move forward or back depending on how the announcement is handled. I think the plans for the day have been thrown a curveball with the weather. There may be some zooming required and maybe they feel that is a last choice and will attract more criticism.
NZR aren't perfect by any stretch but some of the demands and accusations that are floating around are assuming levels of incompetence way beyond what may actually be happening.Bollocks mate. Why don't they just come out and say that then? Cos they're useless and don't respect their supporters, or that is not what is happening? Either way, it is rubbish. No communication sucks, is not acceptable
And you know what is happening behind the scenes?
Let's say I'm right and the plan was to have a presser early this afternoon. But now it is unknown who can make it and when. Do they announce early then keep pushing it back? Assemble the wolves and leave them waiting while someone is hoping on a flight? Or wait until maybe mid morning before telling people that's what is happening.
Also if you can't tell the full story you don't give out parts that sets for more speculation.
Why does it upset you so much?
From what I have heard there is a very valid reason why an announcement hasn't been made yet (one of possibly quite a few). One that I respect. They have a duty as an employer way before a duty to the public or press.@Crucial said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
@Machpants said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
@Crucial said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
NZR continue to fumble thier way around...
So wasnt TRC squad meant to have been named on Wednesday?
But wasnt, comms were they were awaiting some medical scans on some players, fair enough I guess.
The 'news' that Fozzie will stay on, assistants gone
The 'news' Cane is being dropped as captain
Seriously, what a joke, NZR need to take a good hard look at themselves and the leadership they have installed.
My understanding is that there are other factors at play here causing logistical problems. They can't explain that as it would just set the dogs howling with guesswork.
Wellington Airport for example has a 140 flight backlog due to the weather. Key people (players/coaches) are scattered everywhere. Certain very key personnel are on previously arranged 'leave' for very genuine reasons. They don't need (or have to) cancel their plans because the media and internet are champing at the bit to put the boot in further.
As long as they have their plans and people in place then it doesn't matter if the announcement was this morning or this afternoon.
Isn't everyone asking for thought out and measured change rather than knee jerk scrambling? Then they wanted the same timetable set before this change happened? Get real FFS.
I would have said mid-arvo today but that may move forward or back depending on how the announcement is handled. I think the plans for the day have been thrown a curveball with the weather. There may be some zooming required and maybe they feel that is a last choice and will attract more criticism.
NZR aren't perfect by any stretch but some of the demands and accusations that are floating around are assuming levels of incompetence way beyond what may actually be happening.Bollocks mate. Why don't they just come out and say that then? Cos they're useless and don't respect their supporters, or that is not what is happening? Either way, it is rubbish. No communication sucks, is not acceptable
And you know what is happening behind the scenes?
Let's say I'm right and the plan was to have a presser early this afternoon. But now it is unknown who can make it and when. Do they announce early then keep pushing it back? Assemble the wolves and leave them waiting while someone is hoping on a flight? Or wait until maybe mid morning before telling people that's what is happening.
Also if you can't tell the full story you don't give out parts that sets for more speculation.
Why does it upset you so much?
From what I have heard there is a very valid reason why an announcement hasn't been made yet (one of possibly quite a few). One that I respect. They have a duty as an employer way before a duty to the public or press.What upsets me is all we have from NZR is nada zilch, just a cancelled presser and an 'unnaceptable' release. Just let us know, 'we are working behind the scenes, there are multiple problems with X Y and Z'. No need to name names or be specific, or even give concrete dates, but fucking well talk! Communication is the key to so much and we get nothing but press made up rumours and I know more than you posts on the Fern! It is not there is no offical squad announcement that fucks me off, just that there is nothing. That is not how to run a public facing group, that it representing us. Even if they just said the bit of your post that I have put in bold, I'd be happy
'NZR and the ABs are working on some comlex personal issues, that as an employer cannot reveal. On top of the travel disruption and review into the series taking longer than we thought, means the announcement will be delayed. We are hoping for Friday afternoon, but we can't guarantee that, as previously mentioned our player's welfare is our priority. But rest assured we will have an announcement as soon as we can, and will make the full coaching team and NZR officials available for interview after the official announcement for as long as needed'
It's not fucking hard
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
https://twitter.com/AndrewGourdie/status/1550235634811678720
Unless he is there to announce his resignation, this makes me sad
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
https://twitter.com/AndrewGourdie/status/1550235634811678720
Unless he is there to announce his resignation, this makes me sad
@Machpants I wonder what questions the Kremlin will allow?
"I'm just here to discuss the squad".
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@Machpants I wonder what questions the Kremlin will allow?
"I'm just here to discuss the squad".
@Kirwan said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
@Machpants I wonder what questions the Kremlin will allow?
"I'm just here to discuss the squad".
The squad to tour South Africa for the All Blacks’ first two matches of the Rugby Championship will be announced at 1.30pm with Foster to hold a press conference in Auckland at 2pm.
It is understood that Foster, who has been under huge pressure since the series loss to Ireland, will front the media on Friday afternoon to discuss the Rugby Championship squad and present a ‘where to now’ plan for All Blacks fans.
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Às per the other thread - even with Schmidt subbing Fox at the selection table, he will presumably have some different views on various players - and if he's taking a more hands on role coaching, then he'll presumably have a few different philosophies about how we should play.
As a result, we might see a few different backs, especially. A new midfielder in the team wouldn't surprise me - though who it could be and how he would be accommodated - there's quite a few possibilities.
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@Kirwan said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
@Machpants I wonder what questions the Kremlin will allow?
"I'm just here to discuss the squad".
The squad to tour South Africa for the All Blacks’ first two matches of the Rugby Championship will be announced at 1.30pm with Foster to hold a press conference in Auckland at 2pm.
It is understood that Foster, who has been under huge pressure since the series loss to Ireland, will front the media on Friday afternoon to discuss the Rugby Championship squad and present a ‘where to now’ plan for All Blacks fans.
@Machpants said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
‘where to now
hope it is more than 'we are off to South Africa'
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Às per the other thread - even with Schmidt subbing Fox at the selection table, he will presumably have some different views on various players - and if he's taking a more hands on role coaching, then he'll presumably have a few different philosophies about how we should play.
As a result, we might see a few different backs, especially. A new midfielder in the team wouldn't surprise me - though who it could be and how he would be accommodated - there's quite a few possibilities.
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@Machpants said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
‘where to now
hope it is more than 'we are off to South Africa'
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
@Machpants said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
‘where to now
hope it is more than 'we are off to South Africa'
" I'm going to South Africa, and I'm leaving tonight!"
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@Tim said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
@Chris-B Are Clarke and Goodhue going to be fit?
No idea, but you'd certainly hope so given they were picked to play Ireland. I guess, in fairness, it seemed Jack got injured at training.
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@Tim said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
@Chris-B Are Clarke and Goodhue going to be fit?
No idea, but you'd certainly hope so given they were picked to play Ireland. I guess, in fairness, it seemed Jack got injured at training.
@Chris-B and he got covid too didnt he?
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@Tim said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
@Chris-B Are Clarke and Goodhue going to be fit?
No idea, but you'd certainly hope so given they were picked to play Ireland. I guess, in fairness, it seemed Jack got injured at training.
@Chris-B said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
@Tim said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
@Chris-B Are Clarke and Goodhue going to be fit?
No idea, but you'd certainly hope so given they were picked to play Ireland. I guess, in fairness, it seemed Jack got injured at training.
Which test did Jack Goodhue get injured before? He was out test 1 for Covid wasn't he?
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@Tim said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
@Chris-B Are Clarke and Goodhue going to be fit?
No idea, but you'd certainly hope so given they were picked to play Ireland. I guess, in fairness, it seemed Jack got injured at training.
@Chris-B said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
@Tim said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
@Chris-B Are Clarke and Goodhue going to be fit?
No idea, but you'd certainly hope so given they were picked to play Ireland. I guess, in fairness, it seemed Jack got injured at training.
I don't remember Goodhue being injured, just Covid related which took him out of 2 tests as he was taking longer to get over it than others.
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
@Tim said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
@Chris-B Are Clarke and Goodhue going to be fit?
No idea, but you'd certainly hope so given they were picked to play Ireland. I guess, in fairness, it seemed Jack got injured at training.
I don't remember Goodhue being injured, just Covid related which took him out of 2 tests as he was taking longer to get over it than others.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
https://twitter.com/AndrewGourdie/status/1550235634811678720
Friday afternoon press conferences, oldest trick in the book….
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
https://twitter.com/AndrewGourdie/status/1550235634811678720
Friday afternoon press conferences, oldest trick in the book….
So let's wait till Monday ...
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
https://twitter.com/AndrewGourdie/status/1550235634811678720
Friday afternoon press conferences, oldest trick in the book….
So let's wait till Monday ...
80 minutes to the new learnings.
Prediction:
Homage to Cane, reflection that Ireland was better on the day (for much of the 3 tests), and it was a bit of an eye opener that changing tactics and establishing players in positions actually helped teams play better. Oh and announcing a new assistant coach and a current one (" not Plummer because I'm scared of him") to move onto catering.
