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  • Jailbreak7J Offline
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    Well another bloody cop out.
    What I am struggling to come to grips with, is that if Feek "didn't review favourably" at the end of 2021 - what is he still doing there and why are the ABs prepare to carry such a dead weight??
    Also if Foster is so "accountable" why doesn't he just do the honourable thing and resign??
    Honestly that stand-up presser by him was a joke. It was full of stuttering and halting sentences and trademark give away body language "tells" that just screamed he wasn't remotely comfortable. That godawful line "I am the ABs head coach" blah blah rhetoric - who was he trying to convince?? Himself?? The fans?? The fish heads at NZ rugby?? The public at large?? Beacause I dont think for one damn minute any of those groups have any kind of belief in him. And if he really felt so "accountable" he would have been long gone.
    Its pathetic getting rid of only two assistants. What about McCleod?? What about Feek?? They all need to get gone. They say the captain always goes down with the sinking ship. By all acounts not long now me hearties.

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    • T The Docter

      @Victor-Meldrew I wish they had all gone. But shall we at least give the new set up a chance?

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      @The-Docter said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

      @Victor-Meldrew I wish they had all gone. But shall we at least give the new set up a chance?

      Until the EOYT and some significant improvement in the RC.

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        The only interesting piece of info on the breakdown was that Foster is only in charge of the backs temporarily

        So either another coach is being added after SA. Or Schmidt will be able to take over the backs at that stage

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        • DuluthD Duluth

          The only interesting piece of info on the breakdown was that Foster is only in charge of the backs temporarily

          So either another coach is being added after SA. Or Schmidt will be able to take over the backs at that stage

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          #1213

          People worried that Ian Foster isn't seeing Dunsinane for the trees should avoid reading this article

          https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/129366936/i-believe-ive-got-the-group-all-blacks-coach-ian-foster-adamant-players-back-him

          “We’ve still got a strong belief in the direction we’re going and just because it didn’t come together as quickly as we wanted, it’s not the first time we’ve been slow starters in July. I hate saying that, but it is reality.
          

          Can someone enlighten me on this direction that Mr Foster is talking about?

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          • Victor MeldrewV Victor Meldrew

            @junior said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

            @Victor-Meldrew said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

            @TheMojoman said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

            @Bovidae said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

            @BerniesCorner But if Robertson doesn't want the job now?

            He can afford to be patient. If Foster miraculously turns things around the job will be his in 2024. If not the job will be his sooner.

            And if we do pretty well at RWC2023, you really can't see NZR getting rid of a coach who brought the AB's back from a disastrous home series against Ireland in '22, to a decent result in France a year later, can you?

            So you think Foster will want to continue on after 2023, win or lose? I doubt it - he will have had 12 years with ABs by that stage

            Well, that too. But I was being a bit ironic with my post.

            Imagine the meltdown on here if NZR extended him thru to 2027...

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            @Victor-Meldrew said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

            Imagine the meltdown on here if NZR extended him thru to 2027...

            Well, I'm getting mentally prepared for it.

            I half expect Foster to move on, but Robertson to not be appointed. That has been, after all, the NZR way for decades now.

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            • nostrildamusN nostrildamus

              People worried that Ian Foster isn't seeing Dunsinane for the trees should avoid reading this article

              https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/129366936/i-believe-ive-got-the-group-all-blacks-coach-ian-foster-adamant-players-back-him

              “We’ve still got a strong belief in the direction we’re going and just because it didn’t come together as quickly as we wanted, it’s not the first time we’ve been slow starters in July. I hate saying that, but it is reality.
              

              Can someone enlighten me on this direction that Mr Foster is talking about?

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              @nostrildamus said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

              People worried that Ian Foster isn't seeing Dunsinane for the trees should avoid reading this article

              https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/129366936/i-believe-ive-got-the-group-all-blacks-coach-ian-foster-adamant-players-back-him

              “We’ve still got a strong belief in the direction we’re going and just because it didn’t come together as quickly as we wanted, it’s not the first time we’ve been slow starters in July. I hate saying that, but it is reality.
              

              Can someone enlighten me on this direction that Mr Foster is talking about?

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                @nostrildamus said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                We’ve still got a strong belief in the direction we’re going

                There's a lot of talk in that about belief in the direction, and we're going in the right (correct) direction. Yup the player's and coaches all have a rock solid belief that the only way is down, and that's the right way.

                Such arse PR speak

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                • nostrildamusN nostrildamus

                  People worried that Ian Foster isn't seeing Dunsinane for the trees should avoid reading this article

                  https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/129366936/i-believe-ive-got-the-group-all-blacks-coach-ian-foster-adamant-players-back-him

                  “We’ve still got a strong belief in the direction we’re going and just because it didn’t come together as quickly as we wanted, it’s not the first time we’ve been slow starters in July. I hate saying that, but it is reality.
                  

                  Can someone enlighten me on this direction that Mr Foster is talking about?

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                  #1217

                  @nostrildamus said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                  People worried that Ian Foster isn't seeing Dunsinane for the trees should avoid reading this article

                  https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/129366936/i-believe-ive-got-the-group-all-blacks-coach-ian-foster-adamant-players-back-him

                  “We’ve still got a strong belief in the direction we’re going and just because it didn’t come together as quickly as we wanted, it’s not the first time we’ve been slow starters in July. I hate saying that, but it is reality.
                  

                  Can someone enlighten me on this direction that Mr Foster is talking about?

                  Down the toilet.

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                  • ChrisC Chris

                    @nostrildamus said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                    People worried that Ian Foster isn't seeing Dunsinane for the trees should avoid reading this article

                    https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/129366936/i-believe-ive-got-the-group-all-blacks-coach-ian-foster-adamant-players-back-him

                    “We’ve still got a strong belief in the direction we’re going and just because it didn’t come together as quickly as we wanted, it’s not the first time we’ve been slow starters in July. I hate saying that, but it is reality.
                    

                    Can someone enlighten me on this direction that Mr Foster is talking about?

                    Down the toilet.

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                    #1218

                    @Chris a strong ablutional direction? Certainly smells that way.

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                    • ChrisC Chris

                      @nostrildamus said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                      People worried that Ian Foster isn't seeing Dunsinane for the trees should avoid reading this article

                      https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/129366936/i-believe-ive-got-the-group-all-blacks-coach-ian-foster-adamant-players-back-him

                      “We’ve still got a strong belief in the direction we’re going and just because it didn’t come together as quickly as we wanted, it’s not the first time we’ve been slow starters in July. I hate saying that, but it is reality.
                      

                      Can someone enlighten me on this direction that Mr Foster is talking about?

                      Down the toilet.

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                      #1219

                      @Chris said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                      @nostrildamus said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                      People worried that Ian Foster isn't seeing Dunsinane for the trees should avoid reading this article

                      https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/129366936/i-believe-ive-got-the-group-all-blacks-coach-ian-foster-adamant-players-back-him

                      “We’ve still got a strong belief in the direction we’re going and just because it didn’t come together as quickly as we wanted, it’s not the first time we’ve been slow starters in July. I hate saying that, but it is reality.
                      

                      Can someone enlighten me on this direction that Mr Foster is talking about?

                      Down the toilet.

                      Honestly speaking, with Ryan and Schmidt there, you’re not feeling better?

                      The defence is still a problem, but assuming we get Schmidt’s input there, and a new attack coach, we should be in much better shape.

                      Would I still prefer Razor there?

                      Yes, but this is the response I expected.

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                      • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph

                        Breakdown is pathetic.

                        It's just ABs PR.

                        I'm surprised it wasn't cancelled late.....

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                        @KiwiMurph
                        Regarding the Breakdown.
                        Really disappointed with their output lately. Even when there is debate around selection for a certain position they rarely stick their neck out and say "player X should be the number 12" etc etc. They just go round the houses naming the qualities of every player so as not to offend anyone. Real light touch punditry. A microsm of modern life. Everyone gets a medal and no one gets criticised.

                        As has been said in other threads from the top down, The NZRU, The coaches, The players, The pundits are not ruthless enough anymore.

                        NZ and by extension the Allblacks have been falling over themselves not to be seen as arrogant and to be everyones friends.

                        Watching the captain meme'd as a laughing stock being told "he is a shit Richie McCaw" and its just taken on the chin from all quarters (including on the field at the time) is indicative of malaise.

                        The "woke blacks".

                        Get out there in South Africa and start climbing into the Boer Kunts.

                        Pick and fucking go.

                        Big Dick energy.

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                        • gt12G gt12

                          @Chris said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                          @nostrildamus said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                          People worried that Ian Foster isn't seeing Dunsinane for the trees should avoid reading this article

                          https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/129366936/i-believe-ive-got-the-group-all-blacks-coach-ian-foster-adamant-players-back-him

                          “We’ve still got a strong belief in the direction we’re going and just because it didn’t come together as quickly as we wanted, it’s not the first time we’ve been slow starters in July. I hate saying that, but it is reality.
                          

                          Can someone enlighten me on this direction that Mr Foster is talking about?

                          Down the toilet.

                          Honestly speaking, with Ryan and Schmidt there, you’re not feeling better?

                          The defence is still a problem, but assuming we get Schmidt’s input there, and a new attack coach, we should be in much better shape.

                          Would I still prefer Razor there?

                          Yes, but this is the response I expected.

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                          canefan
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                          @gt12 said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                          @Chris said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                          @nostrildamus said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                          People worried that Ian Foster isn't seeing Dunsinane for the trees should avoid reading this article

                          https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/129366936/i-believe-ive-got-the-group-all-blacks-coach-ian-foster-adamant-players-back-him

                          “We’ve still got a strong belief in the direction we’re going and just because it didn’t come together as quickly as we wanted, it’s not the first time we’ve been slow starters in July. I hate saying that, but it is reality.
                          

                          Can someone enlighten me on this direction that Mr Foster is talking about?

                          Down the toilet.

                          Honestly speaking, with Ryan and Schmidt there, you’re not feeling better?

                          The defence is still a problem, but assuming we get Schmidt’s input there, and a new attack coach, we should be in much better shape.

                          Would I still prefer Razor there?

                          Yes, but this is the response I expected.

                          If Foster gets to take a back seat, and lets Schmidt and Ryan try to tighten things up? They might be able to stop the bleeding

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                          • nostrildamusN nostrildamus

                            I sadly think it is likely Robertson has signed overseas hence Ryan takes up the AB assistant coach role.
                            I understand the NZR in their wisdom think coaches should get international experience but they have to weigh it up with losing their best coaches and the IP that flows into other nations' teams.

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                            @nostrildamus

                            The elephant in the room. Been outsourcing all the IP around the world for the last decade. Players like Piutau, Luatua, and Vito are better than some of the shite we have been utilising in their positions over the last few years too.

                            I would have told O'Gara to fuck right off if his CV landed on my desk, but hey ho, we are upskilling the future Ireland coach and giving him a behind the scenes tour at how our best club and its conveyor belt of talent operates.

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                            • O Old Samurai Jack

                              Uptight rant here. I wish Foster and co would just shut the fuck up about saying they are disappointed about losing to Ireland in NZ. We are too but that is not it you fluffybunny! It is the obvious decline in AB rugby since arguably 2017 and the fact that it is getting worst not better!!! This decline has been obvious to everybody, the NZ fans, the opposition teams, etc, all except fucken NZR and Foster! Do they think we have forgotten about 2020, 2021? There has been no game plan, no defense, shite attack for friggen years and people are fucken sick of it! To be honest, I think the NZ fans have been incredibly patient and have given Foster and his team a lot of time to sort out obvious problems. All we have gotten back is lip service and excuses. Just fuck off!

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                              @Old-Samurai-Jack

                              As I alluded to in other posts, while there has been an obvious decline in the playing standards there has also been a concerted effort from NZ to be the "nice guys".

                              Lions test 3 was a debacle with Romain "we have a deal" Poite and Garces.

                              Remember Mako Vunipola smashing Beauden Barrett in the face about 5 yards past a ruck in the same series..no red no citing.
                              Remember Sean O Brien sparking Naholo out in a maul with a swinging arm..no red.

                              And the media just let it go. All the focus was on SBW.

                              The Ta'avao , Porter, Aki inconsistencies in this series.

                              Now Eddie Jones or Rassie Erasmus would not let that sort of shite happen to their team and go unmentioned. Rightly or Wrongly Rassie basically turned the recent Lions series with his video stunt.
                              Remember the Rassie "tackle" coaching video with Esterhuizen that tongue in cheek highlighted Owen Farrells shoulder charging.

                              It took the Corinthian spirit of Eddie Jones to stand up for Ta'avao while our own empty suits kept schtum.

                              Am I saying we should be bleating all the time.....No.

                              But this stoicism by management and media in the face of being rail roaded by refs has to stop.

                              Twitter, other message boards and the media is choc-a-block with cries of "thuggery" and "cheats" whenever NZ do something. I seen a guy on twitter say Ta'avao "torpedoed" himself into RIngrose. Thats the shite you are dealing with.

                              I don't want Foster to keep his job but we are giving suckers an even break here. Those refereeing decisions in this Ireland series had a huge impact on the result. Ian Foster aside, you do not want to be filling the Irish (and the rest) with confidence by looking like a lame duck team. Everyone fancies their chances now. This Allblack team is now losing more than its winning. That ruins the players and gives a lift to their future opposition.

                              We are being bullied on and off the pitch. In the papers, on the touchline, in the stands and on the field.

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                              • gt12G gt12

                                @Chris said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                                @nostrildamus said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                                People worried that Ian Foster isn't seeing Dunsinane for the trees should avoid reading this article

                                https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/129366936/i-believe-ive-got-the-group-all-blacks-coach-ian-foster-adamant-players-back-him

                                “We’ve still got a strong belief in the direction we’re going and just because it didn’t come together as quickly as we wanted, it’s not the first time we’ve been slow starters in July. I hate saying that, but it is reality.
                                

                                Can someone enlighten me on this direction that Mr Foster is talking about?

                                Down the toilet.

                                Honestly speaking, with Ryan and Schmidt there, you’re not feeling better?

                                The defence is still a problem, but assuming we get Schmidt’s input there, and a new attack coach, we should be in much better shape.

                                Would I still prefer Razor there?

                                Yes, but this is the response I expected.

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                                #1224

                                @gt12 said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                                @Chris said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                                @nostrildamus said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                                People worried that Ian Foster isn't seeing Dunsinane for the trees should avoid reading this article

                                https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/129366936/i-believe-ive-got-the-group-all-blacks-coach-ian-foster-adamant-players-back-him

                                “We’ve still got a strong belief in the direction we’re going and just because it didn’t come together as quickly as we wanted, it’s not the first time we’ve been slow starters in July. I hate saying that, but it is reality.
                                

                                Can someone enlighten me on this direction that Mr Foster is talking about?

                                Down the toilet.

                                Honestly speaking, with Ryan and Schmidt there, you’re not feeling better?

                                The defence is still a problem, but assuming we get Schmidt’s input there, and a new attack coach, we should be in much better shape.

                                Would I still prefer Razor there?

                                Yes, but this is the response I expected.

                                Not at all, unless there is some skullduggery that we don't know of (McLeod is actually not getting involved, Foster is only a Schmidt mouthpiece, etc) Foster is still head coach and he is not upto it. There is no other reading of what he has produced, same shit since Hansen. It was the awesome shit in 2015, now it is not. McLeod's D is still there, and as Squidge says that D stands for dogshit, our defensive structure is the worst it has been in the pro era.

                                This is the response I expected but that's only because NZR are so shit. It boils my blood that the buck stops at some assistants, rather than the boss. Especially when the worst offending assistant is still there. What really fucks me off is Foster has not just plain come out and admitted their structure, shape and tactics have not changed enough...

                                Actually I am stopping here, I am fuming so much I will not be coherent, but changing assistants is totally bandaiding bullet holes. Schmidt? Who gives a fuck, he's an adjunct. It is whole, big picture tactics and structure that are the problem - ergo Foster (and the pencil pushers that support him) is the problem

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                                  @Old-Samurai-Jack

                                  As I alluded to in other posts, while there has been an obvious decline in the playing standards there has also been a concerted effort from NZ to be the "nice guys".

                                  Lions test 3 was a debacle with Romain "we have a deal" Poite and Garces.

                                  Remember Mako Vunipola smashing Beauden Barrett in the face about 5 yards past a ruck in the same series..no red no citing.
                                  Remember Sean O Brien sparking Naholo out in a maul with a swinging arm..no red.

                                  And the media just let it go. All the focus was on SBW.

                                  The Ta'avao , Porter, Aki inconsistencies in this series.

                                  Now Eddie Jones or Rassie Erasmus would not let that sort of shite happen to their team and go unmentioned. Rightly or Wrongly Rassie basically turned the recent Lions series with his video stunt.
                                  Remember the Rassie "tackle" coaching video with Esterhuizen that tongue in cheek highlighted Owen Farrells shoulder charging.

                                  It took the Corinthian spirit of Eddie Jones to stand up for Ta'avao while our own empty suits kept schtum.

                                  Am I saying we should be bleating all the time.....No.

                                  But this stoicism by management and media in the face of being rail roaded by refs has to stop.

                                  Twitter, other message boards and the media is choc-a-block with cries of "thuggery" and "cheats" whenever NZ do something. I seen a guy on twitter say Ta'avao "torpedoed" himself into RIngrose. Thats the shite you are dealing with.

                                  I don't want Foster to keep his job but we are giving suckers an even break here. Those refereeing decisions in this Ireland series had a huge impact on the result. Ian Foster aside, you do not want to be filling the Irish (and the rest) with confidence by looking like a lame duck team. Everyone fancies their chances now. This Allblack team is now losing more than its winning. That ruins the players and gives a lift to their future opposition.

                                  We are being bullied on and off the pitch. In the papers, on the touchline, in the stands and on the field.

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                                  canefan
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                                  @Steve I don't care about the peripheral stuff. What I care about is that we don't do the basics well right now. We don't look organised, or focussed, on attack or defence. We are shit at the breakdown. That is not AB rugby and if we get back to doing that stuff the results will come. But I have zero faith in Fozz returning those things because he's failed to do so in his 2 years so far

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                                    @gt12 said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                                    @Chris said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                                    @nostrildamus said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                                    People worried that Ian Foster isn't seeing Dunsinane for the trees should avoid reading this article

                                    https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/129366936/i-believe-ive-got-the-group-all-blacks-coach-ian-foster-adamant-players-back-him

                                    “We’ve still got a strong belief in the direction we’re going and just because it didn’t come together as quickly as we wanted, it’s not the first time we’ve been slow starters in July. I hate saying that, but it is reality.
                                    

                                    Can someone enlighten me on this direction that Mr Foster is talking about?

                                    Down the toilet.

                                    Honestly speaking, with Ryan and Schmidt there, you’re not feeling better?

                                    The defence is still a problem, but assuming we get Schmidt’s input there, and a new attack coach, we should be in much better shape.

                                    Would I still prefer Razor there?

                                    Yes, but this is the response I expected.

                                    Not at all, unless there is some skullduggery that we don't know of (McLeod is actually not getting involved, Foster is only a Schmidt mouthpiece, etc) Foster is still head coach and he is not upto it. There is no other reading of what he has produced, same shit since Hansen. It was the awesome shit in 2015, now it is not. McLeod's D is still there, and as Squidge says that D stands for dogshit, our defensive structure is the worst it has been in the pro era.

                                    This is the response I expected but that's only because NZR are so shit. It boils my blood that the buck stops at some assistants, rather than the boss. Especially when the worst offending assistant is still there. What really fucks me off is Foster has not just plain come out and admitted their structure, shape and tactics have not changed enough...

                                    Actually I am stopping here, I am fuming so much I will not be coherent, but changing assistants is totally bandaiding bullet holes. Schmidt? Who gives a fuck, he's an adjunct. It is whole, big picture tactics and structure that are the problem - ergo Foster (and the pencil pushers that support him) is the problem

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                                    canefan
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                                    #1226

                                    @Machpants said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                                    @gt12 said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                                    @Chris said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                                    @nostrildamus said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                                    People worried that Ian Foster isn't seeing Dunsinane for the trees should avoid reading this article

                                    https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/129366936/i-believe-ive-got-the-group-all-blacks-coach-ian-foster-adamant-players-back-him

                                    “We’ve still got a strong belief in the direction we’re going and just because it didn’t come together as quickly as we wanted, it’s not the first time we’ve been slow starters in July. I hate saying that, but it is reality.
                                    

                                    Can someone enlighten me on this direction that Mr Foster is talking about?

                                    Down the toilet.

                                    Honestly speaking, with Ryan and Schmidt there, you’re not feeling better?

                                    The defence is still a problem, but assuming we get Schmidt’s input there, and a new attack coach, we should be in much better shape.

                                    Would I still prefer Razor there?

                                    Yes, but this is the response I expected.

                                    Not at all, unless there is some skullduggery that we don't know of (McLeod is actually not getting involved, Foster is only a Schmidt mouthpiece, etc) Foster is still head coach and he is not upto it. There is no other reading of what he has produced, same shit since Hansen. It was the awesome shit in 2015, now it is not. McLeod's D is still there, and as Squidge says that D stands for dogshit, our defensive structure is the worst it has been in the pro era.

                                    This is the response I expected but that's only because NZR are so shit. It boils my blood that the buck stops at some assistants, rather than the boss. Especially when the worst offending assistant is still there. What really fucks me off is Foster has not just plain come out and admitted their structure, shape and tactics have not changed enough...

                                    Actually I am stopping here, I am fuming so much I will not be coherent, but changing assistants is totally bandaiding bullet holes. Schmidt? Who gives a fuck, he's an adjunct. It is whole, big picture tactics and structure that are the problem - ergo Foster (and the pencil pushers that support him) is the problem

                                    Just like in the NFL, removing the assistant coaches rarely ends well. Fozz is the reason those guys got chosen and why they are now out of jobs, the buck stops with him and now we have a lame duck HC. The NZRFU either don't have the balls to rip off the band aid now, or they have no viable alternative to replace him with

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                                      @canefan said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                                      @Machpants said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                                      @gt12 said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                                      @Chris said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                                      @nostrildamus said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                                      People worried that Ian Foster isn't seeing Dunsinane for the trees should avoid reading this article

                                      https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/129366936/i-believe-ive-got-the-group-all-blacks-coach-ian-foster-adamant-players-back-him

                                      “We’ve still got a strong belief in the direction we’re going and just because it didn’t come together as quickly as we wanted, it’s not the first time we’ve been slow starters in July. I hate saying that, but it is reality.
                                      

                                      Can someone enlighten me on this direction that Mr Foster is talking about?

                                      Down the toilet.

                                      Honestly speaking, with Ryan and Schmidt there, you’re not feeling better?

                                      The defence is still a problem, but assuming we get Schmidt’s input there, and a new attack coach, we should be in much better shape.

                                      Would I still prefer Razor there?

                                      Yes, but this is the response I expected.

                                      Not at all, unless there is some skullduggery that we don't know of (McLeod is actually not getting involved, Foster is only a Schmidt mouthpiece, etc) Foster is still head coach and he is not upto it. There is no other reading of what he has produced, same shit since Hansen. It was the awesome shit in 2015, now it is not. McLeod's D is still there, and as Squidge says that D stands for dogshit, our defensive structure is the worst it has been in the pro era.

                                      This is the response I expected but that's only because NZR are so shit. It boils my blood that the buck stops at some assistants, rather than the boss. Especially when the worst offending assistant is still there. What really fucks me off is Foster has not just plain come out and admitted their structure, shape and tactics have not changed enough...

                                      Actually I am stopping here, I am fuming so much I will not be coherent, but changing assistants is totally bandaiding bullet holes. Schmidt? Who gives a fuck, he's an adjunct. It is whole, big picture tactics and structure that are the problem - ergo Foster (and the pencil pushers that support him) is the problem

                                      Just like in the NFL, removing the assistant coaches rarely ends well. Fozz is the reason those guys got chosen and why they are now out of jobs, the buck stops with him and now we have a lame duck HC. The NZRFU either don't have the balls to rip off the band aid now, or they have no viable alternative to replace him with

                                      There most certainly are alternatives!

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                                        @canefan said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                                        @Machpants said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                                        @gt12 said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                                        @Chris said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                                        @nostrildamus said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                                        People worried that Ian Foster isn't seeing Dunsinane for the trees should avoid reading this article

                                        https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/129366936/i-believe-ive-got-the-group-all-blacks-coach-ian-foster-adamant-players-back-him

                                        “We’ve still got a strong belief in the direction we’re going and just because it didn’t come together as quickly as we wanted, it’s not the first time we’ve been slow starters in July. I hate saying that, but it is reality.
                                        

                                        Can someone enlighten me on this direction that Mr Foster is talking about?

                                        Down the toilet.

                                        Honestly speaking, with Ryan and Schmidt there, you’re not feeling better?

                                        The defence is still a problem, but assuming we get Schmidt’s input there, and a new attack coach, we should be in much better shape.

                                        Would I still prefer Razor there?

                                        Yes, but this is the response I expected.

                                        Not at all, unless there is some skullduggery that we don't know of (McLeod is actually not getting involved, Foster is only a Schmidt mouthpiece, etc) Foster is still head coach and he is not upto it. There is no other reading of what he has produced, same shit since Hansen. It was the awesome shit in 2015, now it is not. McLeod's D is still there, and as Squidge says that D stands for dogshit, our defensive structure is the worst it has been in the pro era.

                                        This is the response I expected but that's only because NZR are so shit. It boils my blood that the buck stops at some assistants, rather than the boss. Especially when the worst offending assistant is still there. What really fucks me off is Foster has not just plain come out and admitted their structure, shape and tactics have not changed enough...

                                        Actually I am stopping here, I am fuming so much I will not be coherent, but changing assistants is totally bandaiding bullet holes. Schmidt? Who gives a fuck, he's an adjunct. It is whole, big picture tactics and structure that are the problem - ergo Foster (and the pencil pushers that support him) is the problem

                                        Just like in the NFL, removing the assistant coaches rarely ends well. Fozz is the reason those guys got chosen and why they are now out of jobs, the buck stops with him and now we have a lame duck HC. The NZRFU either don't have the balls to rip off the band aid now, or they have no viable alternative to replace him with

                                        There most certainly are alternatives!

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                                        @Machpants said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                                        @canefan said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                                        @Machpants said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                                        @gt12 said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                                        @Chris said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                                        @nostrildamus said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                                        People worried that Ian Foster isn't seeing Dunsinane for the trees should avoid reading this article

                                        https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/129366936/i-believe-ive-got-the-group-all-blacks-coach-ian-foster-adamant-players-back-him

                                        “We’ve still got a strong belief in the direction we’re going and just because it didn’t come together as quickly as we wanted, it’s not the first time we’ve been slow starters in July. I hate saying that, but it is reality.
                                        

                                        Can someone enlighten me on this direction that Mr Foster is talking about?

                                        Down the toilet.

                                        Honestly speaking, with Ryan and Schmidt there, you’re not feeling better?

                                        The defence is still a problem, but assuming we get Schmidt’s input there, and a new attack coach, we should be in much better shape.

                                        Would I still prefer Razor there?

                                        Yes, but this is the response I expected.

                                        Not at all, unless there is some skullduggery that we don't know of (McLeod is actually not getting involved, Foster is only a Schmidt mouthpiece, etc) Foster is still head coach and he is not upto it. There is no other reading of what he has produced, same shit since Hansen. It was the awesome shit in 2015, now it is not. McLeod's D is still there, and as Squidge says that D stands for dogshit, our defensive structure is the worst it has been in the pro era.

                                        This is the response I expected but that's only because NZR are so shit. It boils my blood that the buck stops at some assistants, rather than the boss. Especially when the worst offending assistant is still there. What really fucks me off is Foster has not just plain come out and admitted their structure, shape and tactics have not changed enough...

                                        Actually I am stopping here, I am fuming so much I will not be coherent, but changing assistants is totally bandaiding bullet holes. Schmidt? Who gives a fuck, he's an adjunct. It is whole, big picture tactics and structure that are the problem - ergo Foster (and the pencil pushers that support him) is the problem

                                        Just like in the NFL, removing the assistant coaches rarely ends well. Fozz is the reason those guys got chosen and why they are now out of jobs, the buck stops with him and now we have a lame duck HC. The NZRFU either don't have the balls to rip off the band aid now, or they have no viable alternative to replace him with

                                        There most certainly are alternatives!

                                        I mean alternatives who are willing to take the job. If the rumours are true and Razor passed, many other coaches are contracted until the end of the RWC23. Now if the NZRFU hadn't even sounded him out that is another story, and entirely plausible of course

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                                          @Machpants said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                                          @canefan said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                                          @Machpants said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                                          @gt12 said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                                          @Chris said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                                          @nostrildamus said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                                          People worried that Ian Foster isn't seeing Dunsinane for the trees should avoid reading this article

                                          https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/129366936/i-believe-ive-got-the-group-all-blacks-coach-ian-foster-adamant-players-back-him

                                          “We’ve still got a strong belief in the direction we’re going and just because it didn’t come together as quickly as we wanted, it’s not the first time we’ve been slow starters in July. I hate saying that, but it is reality.
                                          

                                          Can someone enlighten me on this direction that Mr Foster is talking about?

                                          Down the toilet.

                                          Honestly speaking, with Ryan and Schmidt there, you’re not feeling better?

                                          The defence is still a problem, but assuming we get Schmidt’s input there, and a new attack coach, we should be in much better shape.

                                          Would I still prefer Razor there?

                                          Yes, but this is the response I expected.

                                          Not at all, unless there is some skullduggery that we don't know of (McLeod is actually not getting involved, Foster is only a Schmidt mouthpiece, etc) Foster is still head coach and he is not upto it. There is no other reading of what he has produced, same shit since Hansen. It was the awesome shit in 2015, now it is not. McLeod's D is still there, and as Squidge says that D stands for dogshit, our defensive structure is the worst it has been in the pro era.

                                          This is the response I expected but that's only because NZR are so shit. It boils my blood that the buck stops at some assistants, rather than the boss. Especially when the worst offending assistant is still there. What really fucks me off is Foster has not just plain come out and admitted their structure, shape and tactics have not changed enough...

                                          Actually I am stopping here, I am fuming so much I will not be coherent, but changing assistants is totally bandaiding bullet holes. Schmidt? Who gives a fuck, he's an adjunct. It is whole, big picture tactics and structure that are the problem - ergo Foster (and the pencil pushers that support him) is the problem

                                          Just like in the NFL, removing the assistant coaches rarely ends well. Fozz is the reason those guys got chosen and why they are now out of jobs, the buck stops with him and now we have a lame duck HC. The NZRFU either don't have the balls to rip off the band aid now, or they have no viable alternative to replace him with

                                          There most certainly are alternatives!

                                          I mean alternatives who are willing to take the job. If the rumours are true and Razor passed, many other coaches are contracted until the end of the RWC23. Now if the NZRFU hadn't even sounded him out that is another story, and entirely plausible of course

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                                          @canefan said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                                          @Machpants said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                                          @canefan said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                                          @Machpants said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                                          @gt12 said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                                          @Chris said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                                          @nostrildamus said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                                          People worried that Ian Foster isn't seeing Dunsinane for the trees should avoid reading this article

                                          https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/129366936/i-believe-ive-got-the-group-all-blacks-coach-ian-foster-adamant-players-back-him

                                          “We’ve still got a strong belief in the direction we’re going and just because it didn’t come together as quickly as we wanted, it’s not the first time we’ve been slow starters in July. I hate saying that, but it is reality.
                                          

                                          Can someone enlighten me on this direction that Mr Foster is talking about?

                                          Down the toilet.

                                          Honestly speaking, with Ryan and Schmidt there, you’re not feeling better?

                                          The defence is still a problem, but assuming we get Schmidt’s input there, and a new attack coach, we should be in much better shape.

                                          Would I still prefer Razor there?

                                          Yes, but this is the response I expected.

                                          Not at all, unless there is some skullduggery that we don't know of (McLeod is actually not getting involved, Foster is only a Schmidt mouthpiece, etc) Foster is still head coach and he is not upto it. There is no other reading of what he has produced, same shit since Hansen. It was the awesome shit in 2015, now it is not. McLeod's D is still there, and as Squidge says that D stands for dogshit, our defensive structure is the worst it has been in the pro era.

                                          This is the response I expected but that's only because NZR are so shit. It boils my blood that the buck stops at some assistants, rather than the boss. Especially when the worst offending assistant is still there. What really fucks me off is Foster has not just plain come out and admitted their structure, shape and tactics have not changed enough...

                                          Actually I am stopping here, I am fuming so much I will not be coherent, but changing assistants is totally bandaiding bullet holes. Schmidt? Who gives a fuck, he's an adjunct. It is whole, big picture tactics and structure that are the problem - ergo Foster (and the pencil pushers that support him) is the problem

                                          Just like in the NFL, removing the assistant coaches rarely ends well. Fozz is the reason those guys got chosen and why they are now out of jobs, the buck stops with him and now we have a lame duck HC. The NZRFU either don't have the balls to rip off the band aid now, or they have no viable alternative to replace him with

                                          There most certainly are alternatives!

                                          I mean alternatives who are willing to take the job. If the rumours are true and Razor passed, many other coaches are contracted until the end of the RWC23. Now if the NZRFU hadn't even sounded him out that is another story, and entirely plausible of course

                                          Well so far the rumours have all been wrong, and NZR should offer razor until 2025 with specific targets to allow him to continue until 27 (like get back the bled foster is about to lose)

                                          I find it quite funny NZR are following the versus Cheika playbook. Adopting some one above him (Schmidt, sorta), and replace assistants. That worked so well for Oz....

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