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  • CrucialC Crucial

    @mariner4life said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

    @Crucial said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

    Cane is copping all sorts of shit that puzzles me tbh. Apart from what the gameplan dictates he isn't playing badly

    i think because "not playing badly" is a pretty average mark

    Trademark hits? no
    Turnovers? no
    Errors and ineffective carries? yes.

    Absolutely there are structural issues. He's operating in the middle of the field cleaning up the shit not done by the tight 5. His #8 is attack attack attack. His 6 is stationed out wide.
    But that doesn't change the fact that he isn't providing a point of difference, was smashed on points by his opposite number against Ireland, and he's wearing the Black 7 jersey, which comes with a heap of expectation. We're getting owned at the breakdown, and consistently run out of support players.
    He's the openside flanker and the captain, he needs to show more.

    I get all of that but do you expect him to go outside of the expected pattern to get those opportunities to show more?
    He's either unsuited for the role or the role is unsuited to him.
    I suspect the same would be the case for Paps. He also showed how average he can look when not playing a role he is suited to.
    For some reason we don't have our 7 playing the way they are used to the next level down where they have a roaming licence to hunt.

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    @Crucial said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

    For some reason we don't have our 7 playing the way they are used to the next level down where they have a roaming licence to hunt

    there's a reason for that

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    • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

      @Crucial said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

      For some reason we don't have our 7 playing the way they are used to the next level down where they have a roaming licence to hunt

      there's a reason for that

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      #1363

      @mariner4life said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

      @Crucial said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

      For some reason we don't have our 7 playing the way they are used to the next level down where they have a roaming licence to hunt

      there's a reason for that

      A theory more like.

      Just about every 7 develops their game over years as being a hunter. Running lines, techniques, tackles etc. That's why they are the loosest of loose forwards.
      Changing that role seems to be some odd theory to distribute the loosies into zones and they aren't looking anything like at their best.

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        aren't we on a hiding to nothing trying to get players to play so differently to how they play in the next level down, we're saying the Ryan can only achieve so much with the limited time in camp...why is it different for the players

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        • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

          @Crucial said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

          For some reason we don't have our 7 playing the way they are used to the next level down where they have a roaming licence to hunt

          there's a reason for that

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          #1365

          @mariner4life said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

          @Crucial said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

          For some reason we don't have our 7 playing the way they are used to the next level down where they have a roaming licence to hunt

          there's a reason for that

          We'd honestly solve a lot of our loose forward issues if we played Akira at 6 and Sotutu at 8. Put Cane, Ardie or Papalii between those two and we have a really well balanced trio.

          (edit - added Ardie who should be starting at 7 or on the bench)

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          • CrucialC Crucial

            @mariner4life said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

            @Crucial said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

            For some reason we don't have our 7 playing the way they are used to the next level down where they have a roaming licence to hunt

            there's a reason for that

            A theory more like.

            Just about every 7 develops their game over years as being a hunter. Running lines, techniques, tackles etc. That's why they are the loosest of loose forwards.
            Changing that role seems to be some odd theory to distribute the loosies into zones and they aren't looking anything like at their best.

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            #1366

            @Crucial said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

            @mariner4life said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

            @Crucial said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

            For some reason we don't have our 7 playing the way they are used to the next level down where they have a roaming licence to hunt

            there's a reason for that

            A theory more like.

            Just about every 7 develops their game over years as being a hunter. Running lines, techniques, tackles etc. That's why they are the loosest of loose forwards.
            Changing that role seems to be some odd theory to distribute the loosies into zones and they aren't looking anything like at their best.

            It also works on the principle that they will get adequate support from the other players stationed in their zones (midfield / outside backs generally in the wider zones and tight forwards generally ip the middle) but that ain’t happening. So what we’re seeing is Cane effectively fighting a one man war in the middle of the park and out 6 and 8 doing nothing as the ball seldom gets out to their channels (and when it does they are the ones receiving it and breathing the breakdown)

            None of this is actually conducive to winning good quality ball from which the team can produce anything resembling a decent attack.

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            • No QuarterN No Quarter

              @mariner4life said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

              @Crucial said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

              For some reason we don't have our 7 playing the way they are used to the next level down where they have a roaming licence to hunt

              there's a reason for that

              We'd honestly solve a lot of our loose forward issues if we played Akira at 6 and Sotutu at 8. Put Cane, Ardie or Papalii between those two and we have a really well balanced trio.

              (edit - added Ardie who should be starting at 7 or on the bench)

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              @No-Quarter said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

              @mariner4life said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

              @Crucial said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

              For some reason we don't have our 7 playing the way they are used to the next level down where they have a roaming licence to hunt

              there's a reason for that

              We'd honestly solve a lot of our loose forward issues if we played Akira at 6 and Sotutu at 8. Put Cane, Ardie or Papalii between those two and we have a really well balanced trio.

              (edit - added Ardie who should be starting at 7 or on the bench)

              If Ardie and Akira they can't be allowed to just ruck watch..

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              • O Old Samurai Jack

                So .....would you pick Cane over the other players Barnes mentioned?

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                @Old-Samurai-Jack said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                So .....would you pick Cane over the other players Barnes mentioned?

                More importantly would you select ABs on a British scribes opinion?

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                • J junior

                  @Crucial said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                  @mariner4life said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                  @Crucial said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                  For some reason we don't have our 7 playing the way they are used to the next level down where they have a roaming licence to hunt

                  there's a reason for that

                  A theory more like.

                  Just about every 7 develops their game over years as being a hunter. Running lines, techniques, tackles etc. That's why they are the loosest of loose forwards.
                  Changing that role seems to be some odd theory to distribute the loosies into zones and they aren't looking anything like at their best.

                  It also works on the principle that they will get adequate support from the other players stationed in their zones (midfield / outside backs generally in the wider zones and tight forwards generally ip the middle) but that ain’t happening. So what we’re seeing is Cane effectively fighting a one man war in the middle of the park and out 6 and 8 doing nothing as the ball seldom gets out to their channels (and when it does they are the ones receiving it and breathing the breakdown)

                  None of this is actually conducive to winning good quality ball from which the team can produce anything resembling a decent attack.

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                  #1369

                  @junior said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                  @Crucial said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                  @mariner4life said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                  @Crucial said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                  For some reason we don't have our 7 playing the way they are used to the next level down where they have a roaming licence to hunt

                  there's a reason for that

                  A theory more like.

                  Just about every 7 develops their game over years as being a hunter. Running lines, techniques, tackles etc. That's why they are the loosest of loose forwards.
                  Changing that role seems to be some odd theory to distribute the loosies into zones and they aren't looking anything like at their best.

                  It also works on the principle that they will get adequate support from the other players stationed in their zones (midfield / outside backs generally in the wider zones and tight forwards generally ip the middle) but that ain’t happening. So what we’re seeing is Cane effectively fighting a one man war in the middle of the park and out 6 and 8 doing nothing as the ball seldom gets out to their channels (and when it does they are the ones receiving it and breathing the breakdown)

                  None of this is actually conducive to winning good quality ball from which the team can produce anything resembling a decent attack.

                  And none of it is making Cane look like he is playing well either.

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                  • CrucialC Crucial

                    @junior said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                    @Crucial said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                    @mariner4life said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                    @Crucial said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                    For some reason we don't have our 7 playing the way they are used to the next level down where they have a roaming licence to hunt

                    there's a reason for that

                    A theory more like.

                    Just about every 7 develops their game over years as being a hunter. Running lines, techniques, tackles etc. That's why they are the loosest of loose forwards.
                    Changing that role seems to be some odd theory to distribute the loosies into zones and they aren't looking anything like at their best.

                    It also works on the principle that they will get adequate support from the other players stationed in their zones (midfield / outside backs generally in the wider zones and tight forwards generally ip the middle) but that ain’t happening. So what we’re seeing is Cane effectively fighting a one man war in the middle of the park and out 6 and 8 doing nothing as the ball seldom gets out to their channels (and when it does they are the ones receiving it and breathing the breakdown)

                    None of this is actually conducive to winning good quality ball from which the team can produce anything resembling a decent attack.

                    And none of it is making Cane look like he is playing well either.

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                    #1370

                    @Crucial said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                    @junior said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                    @Crucial said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                    @mariner4life said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                    @Crucial said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                    For some reason we don't have our 7 playing the way they are used to the next level down where they have a roaming licence to hunt

                    there's a reason for that

                    A theory more like.

                    Just about every 7 develops their game over years as being a hunter. Running lines, techniques, tackles etc. That's why they are the loosest of loose forwards.
                    Changing that role seems to be some odd theory to distribute the loosies into zones and they aren't looking anything like at their best.

                    It also works on the principle that they will get adequate support from the other players stationed in their zones (midfield / outside backs generally in the wider zones and tight forwards generally ip the middle) but that ain’t happening. So what we’re seeing is Cane effectively fighting a one man war in the middle of the park and out 6 and 8 doing nothing as the ball seldom gets out to their channels (and when it does they are the ones receiving it and breathing the breakdown)

                    None of this is actually conducive to winning good quality ball from which the team can produce anything resembling a decent attack.

                    And none of it is making Cane look like he is playing well either.

                    I agree and suggest no one playing that role currently would look good. Maybe, someone else would be more likely to get a turnover over the course of 80 mins, but they would still come out having been beaten easily.

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                      So whadda we think about Mounga throwing his full support behind Foster? Going as far as to declare that he’s the man.
                      This isn’t a player that is seemingly a favourite or owes his ongoing selection to Foster. He’d be close to first name on a team list from Razor.

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                      • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

                        @Donsteppa said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                        @mariner4life said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                        @Donsteppa said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                        @mariner4life said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                        @Crucial said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                        Cane is copping all sorts of shit that puzzles me tbh. Apart from what the gameplan dictates he isn't playing badly

                        i think because "not playing badly" is a pretty average mark

                        Trademark hits? no
                        Turnovers? no
                        Errors and ineffective carries? yes.

                        Absolutely there are structural issues. He's operating in the middle of the field cleaning up the shit not done by the tight 5. His #8 is attack attack attack. His 6 is stationed out wide.
                        But that doesn't change the fact that he isn't providing a point of difference, was smashed on points by his opposite number against Ireland, and he's wearing the Black 7 jersey, which comes with a heap of expectation. We're getting owned at the breakdown, and consistently run out of support players.
                        He's the openside flanker and the captain, he needs to show more.

                        'He's doing the job of the rest of the forward pack, but it's still not enough'.

                        Bloody border closures. You still remember where Tauranga even is?

                        bro, i am sorry, i really am.
                        (i've actually lived here as long as i ever lived in Tga)

                        but Captain Sam is not above reproach. But if you want me to have a go at some others for balance i will (Sam Whitelock is in much the same boat)

                        Quick reeducation camp:

                        (a) We get 80 Test All Black Captains once in a lifetime
                        (b) Ferret Foster is in charge of selection and tactics

                        Though agreed that deflection is a good future strategy too...

                        fair point.

                        This is all on that fucker from Waikato. He's deliberately sabotaging BOP's pride and joy. Fuck you Waikato you bastards. You have the worst strip in Professional sports. And you gave us both John Mitchell and Ian Foster as coaches. AND Scott McLeod

                        In fact,. why haven't we invaded the Waikato and burned their capital to the ground?

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                        @mariner4life said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                        @Donsteppa said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                        @mariner4life said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                        @Donsteppa said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                        @mariner4life said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                        @Crucial said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                        Cane is copping all sorts of shit that puzzles me tbh. Apart from what the gameplan dictates he isn't playing badly

                        i think because "not playing badly" is a pretty average mark

                        Trademark hits? no
                        Turnovers? no
                        Errors and ineffective carries? yes.

                        Absolutely there are structural issues. He's operating in the middle of the field cleaning up the shit not done by the tight 5. His #8 is attack attack attack. His 6 is stationed out wide.
                        But that doesn't change the fact that he isn't providing a point of difference, was smashed on points by his opposite number against Ireland, and he's wearing the Black 7 jersey, which comes with a heap of expectation. We're getting owned at the breakdown, and consistently run out of support players.
                        He's the openside flanker and the captain, he needs to show more.

                        'He's doing the job of the rest of the forward pack, but it's still not enough'.

                        Bloody border closures. You still remember where Tauranga even is?

                        bro, i am sorry, i really am.
                        (i've actually lived here as long as i ever lived in Tga)

                        but Captain Sam is not above reproach. But if you want me to have a go at some others for balance i will (Sam Whitelock is in much the same boat)

                        Quick reeducation camp:

                        (a) We get 80 Test All Black Captains once in a lifetime
                        (b) Ferret Foster is in charge of selection and tactics

                        Though agreed that deflection is a good future strategy too...

                        fair point.

                        This is all on that fucker from Waikato. He's deliberately sabotaging BOP's pride and joy. Fuck you Waikato you bastards. You have the worst strip in Professional sports. And you gave us both John Mitchell and Ian Foster as coaches. AND Scott McLeod

                        In fact,. why haven't we invaded the Waikato and burned their capital to the ground?

                        Because you don’t want to make any improvements?

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                        • CrucialC Crucial

                          So whadda we think about Mounga throwing his full support behind Foster? Going as far as to declare that he’s the man.
                          This isn’t a player that is seemingly a favourite or owes his ongoing selection to Foster. He’d be close to first name on a team list from Razor.

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                          @Crucial Delayed concussion perhaps?

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                          • CrucialC Crucial

                            So whadda we think about Mounga throwing his full support behind Foster? Going as far as to declare that he’s the man.
                            This isn’t a player that is seemingly a favourite or owes his ongoing selection to Foster. He’d be close to first name on a team list from Razor.

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                            Stargazer
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                            @Crucial What else can he do, if he doesn't want to commit career suicide?

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                            • CatograndeC Catogrande

                              @mariner4life said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                              @Donsteppa said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                              @mariner4life said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                              @Donsteppa said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                              @mariner4life said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                              @Crucial said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                              Cane is copping all sorts of shit that puzzles me tbh. Apart from what the gameplan dictates he isn't playing badly

                              i think because "not playing badly" is a pretty average mark

                              Trademark hits? no
                              Turnovers? no
                              Errors and ineffective carries? yes.

                              Absolutely there are structural issues. He's operating in the middle of the field cleaning up the shit not done by the tight 5. His #8 is attack attack attack. His 6 is stationed out wide.
                              But that doesn't change the fact that he isn't providing a point of difference, was smashed on points by his opposite number against Ireland, and he's wearing the Black 7 jersey, which comes with a heap of expectation. We're getting owned at the breakdown, and consistently run out of support players.
                              He's the openside flanker and the captain, he needs to show more.

                              'He's doing the job of the rest of the forward pack, but it's still not enough'.

                              Bloody border closures. You still remember where Tauranga even is?

                              bro, i am sorry, i really am.
                              (i've actually lived here as long as i ever lived in Tga)

                              but Captain Sam is not above reproach. But if you want me to have a go at some others for balance i will (Sam Whitelock is in much the same boat)

                              Quick reeducation camp:

                              (a) We get 80 Test All Black Captains once in a lifetime
                              (b) Ferret Foster is in charge of selection and tactics

                              Though agreed that deflection is a good future strategy too...

                              fair point.

                              This is all on that fucker from Waikato. He's deliberately sabotaging BOP's pride and joy. Fuck you Waikato you bastards. You have the worst strip in Professional sports. And you gave us both John Mitchell and Ian Foster as coaches. AND Scott McLeod

                              In fact,. why haven't we invaded the Waikato and burned their capital to the ground?

                              Because you don’t want to make any improvements?

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                              mariner4life
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                              @Catogrande said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                              @mariner4life said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                              @Donsteppa said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                              @mariner4life said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                              @Donsteppa said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                              @mariner4life said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                              @Crucial said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                              Cane is copping all sorts of shit that puzzles me tbh. Apart from what the gameplan dictates he isn't playing badly

                              i think because "not playing badly" is a pretty average mark

                              Trademark hits? no
                              Turnovers? no
                              Errors and ineffective carries? yes.

                              Absolutely there are structural issues. He's operating in the middle of the field cleaning up the shit not done by the tight 5. His #8 is attack attack attack. His 6 is stationed out wide.
                              But that doesn't change the fact that he isn't providing a point of difference, was smashed on points by his opposite number against Ireland, and he's wearing the Black 7 jersey, which comes with a heap of expectation. We're getting owned at the breakdown, and consistently run out of support players.
                              He's the openside flanker and the captain, he needs to show more.

                              'He's doing the job of the rest of the forward pack, but it's still not enough'.

                              Bloody border closures. You still remember where Tauranga even is?

                              bro, i am sorry, i really am.
                              (i've actually lived here as long as i ever lived in Tga)

                              but Captain Sam is not above reproach. But if you want me to have a go at some others for balance i will (Sam Whitelock is in much the same boat)

                              Quick reeducation camp:

                              (a) We get 80 Test All Black Captains once in a lifetime
                              (b) Ferret Foster is in charge of selection and tactics

                              Though agreed that deflection is a good future strategy too...

                              fair point.

                              This is all on that fucker from Waikato. He's deliberately sabotaging BOP's pride and joy. Fuck you Waikato you bastards. You have the worst strip in Professional sports. And you gave us both John Mitchell and Ian Foster as coaches. AND Scott McLeod

                              In fact,. why haven't we invaded the Waikato and burned their capital to the ground?

                              Because you don’t want to make any improvements?

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                              • StargazerS Stargazer

                                @Crucial What else can he do, if he doesn't want to commit career suicide?

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                                @Stargazer said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                                @Crucial What else can he do, if he doesn't want to commit career suicide?

                                you cannot stab a man in the back without getting behind him first

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                                • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

                                  @Crucial said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                                  Cane is copping all sorts of shit that puzzles me tbh. Apart from what the gameplan dictates he isn't playing badly

                                  i think because "not playing badly" is a pretty average mark

                                  Trademark hits? no
                                  Turnovers? no
                                  Errors and ineffective carries? yes.

                                  Absolutely there are structural issues. He's operating in the middle of the field cleaning up the shit not done by the tight 5. His #8 is attack attack attack. His 6 is stationed out wide.
                                  But that doesn't change the fact that he isn't providing a point of difference, was smashed on points by his opposite number against Ireland, and he's wearing the Black 7 jersey, which comes with a heap of expectation. We're getting owned at the breakdown, and consistently run out of support players.
                                  He's the openside flanker and the captain, he needs to show more.

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                                  @mariner4life said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                                  @Crucial said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                                  Cane is copping all sorts of shit that puzzles me tbh. Apart from what the gameplan dictates he isn't playing badly

                                  i think because "not playing badly" is a pretty average mark

                                  Trademark hits? no
                                  Turnovers? no
                                  Errors and ineffective carries? yes.

                                  Absolutely there are structural issues. He's operating in the middle of the field cleaning up the shit not done by the tight 5. His #8 is attack attack attack. His 6 is stationed out wide.
                                  But that doesn't change the fact that he isn't providing a point of difference, was smashed on points by his opposite number against Ireland, and he's wearing the Black 7 jersey, which comes with a heap of expectation. We're getting owned at the breakdown, and consistently run out of support players.
                                  He's the openside flanker and the captain, he needs to show more.

                                  I think Peter O’Mahoney pointed this out to him directly.

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                                    @antipodean said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                                    @stodders Barnes has a distinguished career in making laughably idiotic pronouncements.

                                    In amongst the dross from Barnes, there are some interesting nuggets:

                                    1. Would you pick Cane in front of any of the no.7 options NZ's main opponents are capable of fielding? Hooper, Kolisi, Van der Flier, Jelonch, Curry. Would you take any of them over Cane?

                                    2. Is Cane the best no.7 NZ have available right now? Papalii and Savea are arguably better options in the here and now. This isn't a question to denigrate someone who has been a real servant to NZ rugby. McCaw was questioned several times over his career and always found an answer to shut up the naysayers.

                                    3. If the answer to 2 is No, the captain question is a redundant one. It would be a long time ago that NZ played someone at no.7 that was not the best the best in the country and did not measure up against the players available to other nations.

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                                    @stodders said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                                    @antipodean said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                                    @stodders Barnes has a distinguished career in making laughably idiotic pronouncements.

                                    In amongst the dross from Barnes, there are some interesting nuggets:

                                    1. Would you pick Cane in front of any of the no.7 options NZ's main opponents are capable of fielding? Hooper, Kolisi, Van der Flier, Jelonch, Curry. Would you take any of them over Cane?

                                    2. Is Cane the best no.7 NZ have available right now? Papalii and Savea are arguably better options in the here and now. This isn't a question to denigrate someone who has been a real servant to NZ rugby. McCaw was questioned several times over his career and always found an answer to shut up the naysayers.

                                    3. If the answer to 2 is No, the captain question is a redundant one. It would be a long time ago that NZ played someone at no.7 that was not the best the best in the country and did not measure up against the players available to other nations.

                                    No love for Scotlands tenacious Hamish Watson ?

                                    Legend has it he’s never missed a single tackle in 51 tests.

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                                    • MN5M MN5

                                      @stodders said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                                      @antipodean said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                                      @stodders Barnes has a distinguished career in making laughably idiotic pronouncements.

                                      In amongst the dross from Barnes, there are some interesting nuggets:

                                      1. Would you pick Cane in front of any of the no.7 options NZ's main opponents are capable of fielding? Hooper, Kolisi, Van der Flier, Jelonch, Curry. Would you take any of them over Cane?

                                      2. Is Cane the best no.7 NZ have available right now? Papalii and Savea are arguably better options in the here and now. This isn't a question to denigrate someone who has been a real servant to NZ rugby. McCaw was questioned several times over his career and always found an answer to shut up the naysayers.

                                      3. If the answer to 2 is No, the captain question is a redundant one. It would be a long time ago that NZ played someone at no.7 that was not the best the best in the country and did not measure up against the players available to other nations.

                                      No love for Scotlands tenacious Hamish Watson ?

                                      Legend has it he’s never missed a single tackle in 51 tests.

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                                      @MN5 said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                                      @stodders said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                                      @antipodean said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                                      @stodders Barnes has a distinguished career in making laughably idiotic pronouncements.

                                      In amongst the dross from Barnes, there are some interesting nuggets:

                                      1. Would you pick Cane in front of any of the no.7 options NZ's main opponents are capable of fielding? Hooper, Kolisi, Van der Flier, Jelonch, Curry. Would you take any of them over Cane?

                                      2. Is Cane the best no.7 NZ have available right now? Papalii and Savea are arguably better options in the here and now. This isn't a question to denigrate someone who has been a real servant to NZ rugby. McCaw was questioned several times over his career and always found an answer to shut up the naysayers.

                                      3. If the answer to 2 is No, the captain question is a redundant one. It would be a long time ago that NZ played someone at no.7 that was not the best the best in the country and did not measure up against the players available to other nations.

                                      No love for Scotlands England born, raised and rugby educated but traitorous, tenacious Hamish Watson ?

                                      Legend has it he’s never missed a single tackle in 51 tests.

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                                        @Crucial What else can he do, if he doesn't want to commit career suicide?

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                                        @Stargazer said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                                        @Crucial What else can he do, if he doesn't want to commit career suicide?

                                        Say nothing (or something generic) he has come in full support and said more than needed to “save his job”

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                                          @MN5 said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                                          @stodders said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                                          @antipodean said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                                          @stodders Barnes has a distinguished career in making laughably idiotic pronouncements.

                                          In amongst the dross from Barnes, there are some interesting nuggets:

                                          1. Would you pick Cane in front of any of the no.7 options NZ's main opponents are capable of fielding? Hooper, Kolisi, Van der Flier, Jelonch, Curry. Would you take any of them over Cane?

                                          2. Is Cane the best no.7 NZ have available right now? Papalii and Savea are arguably better options in the here and now. This isn't a question to denigrate someone who has been a real servant to NZ rugby. McCaw was questioned several times over his career and always found an answer to shut up the naysayers.

                                          3. If the answer to 2 is No, the captain question is a redundant one. It would be a long time ago that NZ played someone at no.7 that was not the best the best in the country and did not measure up against the players available to other nations.

                                          No love for Scotlands England born, raised and rugby educated but traitorous, tenacious Hamish Watson ?

                                          Legend has it he’s never missed a single tackle in 51 tests.

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                                          @Catogrande said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                                          @MN5 said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                                          @stodders said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                                          @antipodean said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                                          @stodders Barnes has a distinguished career in making laughably idiotic pronouncements.

                                          In amongst the dross from Barnes, there are some interesting nuggets:

                                          1. Would you pick Cane in front of any of the no.7 options NZ's main opponents are capable of fielding? Hooper, Kolisi, Van der Flier, Jelonch, Curry. Would you take any of them over Cane?

                                          2. Is Cane the best no.7 NZ have available right now? Papalii and Savea are arguably better options in the here and now. This isn't a question to denigrate someone who has been a real servant to NZ rugby. McCaw was questioned several times over his career and always found an answer to shut up the naysayers.

                                          3. If the answer to 2 is No, the captain question is a redundant one. It would be a long time ago that NZ played someone at no.7 that was not the best the best in the country and did not measure up against the players available to other nations.

                                          No love for Scotlands England born, raised and rugby educated but traitorous, tenacious Hamish Watson ?

                                          Legend has it he’s never missed a single tackle in 51 tests.

                                          Shows how out of touch I am. I assumed he was as Scottish as oatcakes and haggis.

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