Foster, Robertson etc
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Will anyone ask Richie if Razor or Foster is the better coach?
@nostrildamus said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
Will anyone ask Richie if Razor or Foster is the better coach?
I remember when GOAT got asked the same question about Deans and GH...
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@nostrildamus said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
Will anyone ask Richie if Razor or Foster is the better coach?
I remember when GOAT got asked the same question about Deans and GH...
@canefan well I don't think they can ask Sam Cane (unless Razor coached him earlier?), Sam Whitelock maybe...
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Cane has been plagued by injuries. Great player in his prime but if there are better options at 7, he must go.
I say this as a fan of his as well.
@mofitzy_ said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
Cane has been plagued by injuries. Great player in his prime but if there are better options at 7, he must go.
I say this as a fan of his as well.
He was 100% the right guy to take over the captaincy after 2019 and the failure of leadership of the other contenders at the RWC (SW especially). But after his injury-plagued 2021, they should have just handed over the reins to SW on a permanent basis and let SC get back to full form and fitness.
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Here's a genuine question: What differences to the ABs' play have been introduced in the two and a half years since Foster became head coach? He spoke after being appointed about all the fresh ideas he would bring. I'd love to hear from anyone who can identify the fresh things he's introduced to the ABs. I'm excluding the negatives: the decline in defence and attack, the gradual loss of skills, the kicking that is less and less contestable, the decline in the lineout and so on. Can anyone identify positive changes in the last couple of seasons?
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Our short kicking game has improved (except said short kicks were intended to go long)
The long cut out pass to ball runners has improved (except said ball runners are stationary and not in motion)
Almost perfected the one out runner
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@Catogrande said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@MN5 said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@stodders said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@antipodean said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@stodders Barnes has a distinguished career in making laughably idiotic pronouncements.
In amongst the dross from Barnes, there are some interesting nuggets:
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Would you pick Cane in front of any of the no.7 options NZ's main opponents are capable of fielding? Hooper, Kolisi, Van der Flier, Jelonch, Curry. Would you take any of them over Cane?
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Is Cane the best no.7 NZ have available right now? Papalii and Savea are arguably better options in the here and now. This isn't a question to denigrate someone who has been a real servant to NZ rugby. McCaw was questioned several times over his career and always found an answer to shut up the naysayers.
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If the answer to 2 is No, the captain question is a redundant one. It would be a long time ago that NZ played someone at no.7 that was not the best the best in the country and did not measure up against the players available to other nations.
No love for
ScotlandsEngland born, raised and rugby educated but traitorous, tenacious Hamish Watson ?Legend has it he’s never missed a single tackle in 51 tests.
Shows how out of touch I am. I assumed he was as Scottish as oatcakes and haggis.
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@Chris said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Machpants said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Crucial said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Stargazer said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Crucial What else can he do, if he doesn't want to commit career suicide?
Say nothing (or something generic) he has come in full support and said more than needed to “save his job”
He's saying what the media managers tell him to say
Thats exactly it, especially with the Media Manager standing right behind him to the left in the video.
lol fuck now we are jumping the shark
"oooh what can he say, he's got the NKVD at his back ready to execute him if he strays from the party line"
@mariner4life said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
lol fuck now we are jumping the shark
Now?
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Here's a genuine question: What differences to the ABs' play have been introduced in the two and a half years since Foster became head coach? He spoke after being appointed about all the fresh ideas he would bring. I'd love to hear from anyone who can identify the fresh things he's introduced to the ABs. I'm excluding the negatives: the decline in defence and attack, the gradual loss of skills, the kicking that is less and less contestable, the decline in the lineout and so on. Can anyone identify positive changes in the last couple of seasons?
@kiwi_expat said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
Here's a genuine question: What differences to the ABs' play have been introduced in the two and a half years since Foster became head coach? He spoke after being appointed about all the fresh ideas he would bring. I'd love to hear from anyone who can identify the fresh things he's introduced to the ABs. I'm excluding the negatives: the decline in defence and attack, the gradual loss of skills, the kicking that is less and less contestable, the decline in the lineout and so on. Can anyone identify positive changes in the last couple of seasons?
As @ACT-Crusader said, and in fact you can take it back to late Hansen. The only change that we could add there is the two playmaker idea, which didn't work once DMac got injured as Beaudy dominated mounga
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@kiwi_expat said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
Here's a genuine question: What differences to the ABs' play have been introduced in the two and a half years since Foster became head coach? He spoke after being appointed about all the fresh ideas he would bring. I'd love to hear from anyone who can identify the fresh things he's introduced to the ABs. I'm excluding the negatives: the decline in defence and attack, the gradual loss of skills, the kicking that is less and less contestable, the decline in the lineout and so on. Can anyone identify positive changes in the last couple of seasons?
As @ACT-Crusader said, and in fact you can take it back to late Hansen. The only change that we could add there is the two playmaker idea, which didn't work once DMac got injured as Beaudy dominated mounga
@Machpants said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@kiwi_expat said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
Here's a genuine question: What differences to the ABs' play have been introduced in the two and a half years since Foster became head coach? He spoke after being appointed about all the fresh ideas he would bring. I'd love to hear from anyone who can identify the fresh things he's introduced to the ABs. I'm excluding the negatives: the decline in defence and attack, the gradual loss of skills, the kicking that is less and less contestable, the decline in the lineout and so on. Can anyone identify positive changes in the last couple of seasons?
As @ACT-Crusader said, and in fact you can take it back to late Hansen. The only change that we could add there is the two playmaker idea, which didn't work once DMac got injured as Beaudy dominated mounga
IIRC Shag wanted out at the end of 2017 but the NZRFU persuaded him to come back. In hindsight he was out of ideas by then
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Here's a genuine question: What differences to the ABs' play have been introduced in the two and a half years since Foster became head coach? He spoke after being appointed about all the fresh ideas he would bring. I'd love to hear from anyone who can identify the fresh things he's introduced to the ABs. I'm excluding the negatives: the decline in defence and attack, the gradual loss of skills, the kicking that is less and less contestable, the decline in the lineout and so on. Can anyone identify positive changes in the last couple of seasons?
@kiwi_expat said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
Here's a genuine question: What differences to the ABs' play have been introduced in the two and a half years since Foster became head coach? He spoke after being appointed about all the fresh ideas he would bring. I'd love to hear from anyone who can identify the fresh things he's introduced to the ABs. I'm excluding the negatives: the decline in defence and attack, the gradual loss of skills, the kicking that is less and less contestable, the decline in the lineout and so on. Can anyone identify positive changes in the last couple of seasons?
I know that things aren't obvious but I also question if that is due to our own rudimentary knowledge.
For sure it would be very hard to back up an assertion of radical/major changes to style of play but judging by player comments there are things going on in the shape and role that in being done.
I know that if I watch something like that show with Bryn Hall on they are pointing out all sorts of changes because, as modern players, they are very used to dealing with these micro level instructions.
I'm not for one moment saying that we are seeing evidence of changes being beneficial just that they are there and the general message coming out of camp (coaches and players) is that they believe they will make a difference when executed properly.
My guess is that everything hinges on whatever the breakdown plan(s) are and that is the area that is having real problems with execution. It seems to depend on a 7/8 skillset of Cane/Ardie or Paps/Sotutu as backup and a certain style of 6 that is more Frizzell than Akira. All sorts of disruptions have hindered this getting implemented well and whatever part the front 5 play also isn't being done well enough.
Whatever it is, it is also a foundation element to the backline defence and attack.Big question is 'how long do you persevere with a plan that you are having problems implementing?'
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@kiwi_expat said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
Here's a genuine question: What differences to the ABs' play have been introduced in the two and a half years since Foster became head coach? He spoke after being appointed about all the fresh ideas he would bring. I'd love to hear from anyone who can identify the fresh things he's introduced to the ABs. I'm excluding the negatives: the decline in defence and attack, the gradual loss of skills, the kicking that is less and less contestable, the decline in the lineout and so on. Can anyone identify positive changes in the last couple of seasons?
I know that things aren't obvious but I also question if that is due to our own rudimentary knowledge.
For sure it would be very hard to back up an assertion of radical/major changes to style of play but judging by player comments there are things going on in the shape and role that in being done.
I know that if I watch something like that show with Bryn Hall on they are pointing out all sorts of changes because, as modern players, they are very used to dealing with these micro level instructions.
I'm not for one moment saying that we are seeing evidence of changes being beneficial just that they are there and the general message coming out of camp (coaches and players) is that they believe they will make a difference when executed properly.
My guess is that everything hinges on whatever the breakdown plan(s) are and that is the area that is having real problems with execution. It seems to depend on a 7/8 skillset of Cane/Ardie or Paps/Sotutu as backup and a certain style of 6 that is more Frizzell than Akira. All sorts of disruptions have hindered this getting implemented well and whatever part the front 5 play also isn't being done well enough.
Whatever it is, it is also a foundation element to the backline defence and attack.Big question is 'how long do you persevere with a plan that you are having problems implementing?'
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@Dan54 said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Stargazer said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Crucial What else can he do, if he doesn't want to commit career suicide?
He could say nothing? Have any other players been sacked for saying nothing.
You know prehaps he does like his coaching of the backs?Reporter asks question about Foster - stony silence ensues.
Yeah, that'll be a non-story.@Frank said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Dan54 said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Stargazer said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Crucial What else can he do, if he doesn't want to commit career suicide?
He could say nothing? Have any other players been sacked for saying nothing.
You know prehaps he does like his coaching of the backs?Reporter asks question about Foster - stony silence ensues.
Yeah, that'll be a non-story.Look I pretty neutral on who should coach, but some of you pretty keen on calling Richie a liar. And let's make it clear , he has in no way compared Razor and Foster, just said that he thinks Foster is the man for the job and I not sure he means as backs coach. Like it or not because Richie has made this statement that we may or may not agree with doesn't make him a liar ot it untrue, you know he could genuinely believe it, he says he finds working more direct with him taking over the backs as helping him. It was funny, Stu Barnes ripped into Cane (from England) and there seems no problem Cane is AB captain and some want change,, but an AB in camp actually involved with team makes a statement and he is branded a liar?
Actually to add, I was impressed with something Jason Ryan said that is exactly what I always try to say, are you in team Foster now or team Robertson? Reply neither I in team ABs. Best answer I have heard and sums up my exact feelings too.
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@Frank said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Dan54 said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Stargazer said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Crucial What else can he do, if he doesn't want to commit career suicide?
He could say nothing? Have any other players been sacked for saying nothing.
You know prehaps he does like his coaching of the backs?Reporter asks question about Foster - stony silence ensues.
Yeah, that'll be a non-story.Look I pretty neutral on who should coach, but some of you pretty keen on calling Richie a liar. And let's make it clear , he has in no way compared Razor and Foster, just said that he thinks Foster is the man for the job and I not sure he means as backs coach. Like it or not because Richie has made this statement that we may or may not agree with doesn't make him a liar ot it untrue, you know he could genuinely believe it, he says he finds working more direct with him taking over the backs as helping him. It was funny, Stu Barnes ripped into Cane (from England) and there seems no problem Cane is AB captain and some want change,, but an AB in camp actually involved with team makes a statement and he is branded a liar?
Actually to add, I was impressed with something Jason Ryan said that is exactly what I always try to say, are you in team Foster now or team Robertson? Reply neither I in team ABs. Best answer I have heard and sums up my exact feelings too.
@Dan54 said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Frank said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Dan54 said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Stargazer said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Crucial What else can he do, if he doesn't want to commit career suicide?
He could say nothing? Have any other players been sacked for saying nothing.
You know prehaps he does like his coaching of the backs?Reporter asks question about Foster - stony silence ensues.
Yeah, that'll be a non-story.Look I pretty neutral on who should coach, but some of you pretty keen on calling Richie a liar. And let's make it clear , he has in no way compared Razor and Foster, just said that he thinks Foster is the man for the job and I not sure he means as backs coach. Like it or not because Richie has made this statement that we may or may not agree with doesn't make him a liar ot it untrue, you know he could genuinely believe it, he says he finds working more direct with him taking over the backs as helping him. It was funny, Stu Barnes ripped into Cane (from England) and there seems no problem Cane is AB captain and some want change,, but an AB in camp actually involved with team makes a statement and he is branded a liar?
Actually to add, I was impressed with something Jason Ryan said that is exactly what I always try to say, are you in team Foster now or team Robertson? Reply neither I in team ABs. Best answer I have heard and sums up my exact feelings too.
Well put.
People pretty quick to say that RM is saying what his bosses want to hear but if you apply that same cynicism who's to say that Barnes wasn't asked to write a disruptive piece about NZ rugby to influence public opinion and support down here? That would be totally believable. -
Here's a genuine question: What differences to the ABs' play have been introduced in the two and a half years since Foster became head coach? He spoke after being appointed about all the fresh ideas he would bring. I'd love to hear from anyone who can identify the fresh things he's introduced to the ABs. I'm excluding the negatives: the decline in defence and attack, the gradual loss of skills, the kicking that is less and less contestable, the decline in the lineout and so on. Can anyone identify positive changes in the last couple of seasons?
@kiwi_expat said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
Here's a genuine question: What differences to the ABs' play have been introduced in the two and a half years since Foster became head coach? He spoke after being appointed about all the fresh ideas he would bring. I'd love to hear from anyone who can identify the fresh things he's introduced to the ABs. I'm excluding the negatives: the decline in defence and attack, the gradual loss of skills, the kicking that is less and less contestable, the decline in the lineout and so on. Can anyone identify positive changes in the last couple of seasons?
I was thinking along similar line the other day. It occurred to me that I am struggling to find one aspect of the game where I can confidently say the ABs are consistently world class in. The ABs can 'hold their own' in most areas for sure, but can anyone point to an aspect of the game where they would be considered the world's best?
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@kiwi_expat said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
Here's a genuine question: What differences to the ABs' play have been introduced in the two and a half years since Foster became head coach? He spoke after being appointed about all the fresh ideas he would bring. I'd love to hear from anyone who can identify the fresh things he's introduced to the ABs. I'm excluding the negatives: the decline in defence and attack, the gradual loss of skills, the kicking that is less and less contestable, the decline in the lineout and so on. Can anyone identify positive changes in the last couple of seasons?
I was thinking along similar line the other day. It occurred to me that I am struggling to find one aspect of the game where I can confidently say the ABs are consistently world class in. The ABs can 'hold their own' in most areas for sure, but can anyone point to an aspect of the game where they would be considered the world's best?
@Crazy-Horse said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@kiwi_expat said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
Here's a genuine question: What differences to the ABs' play have been introduced in the two and a half years since Foster became head coach? He spoke after being appointed about all the fresh ideas he would bring. I'd love to hear from anyone who can identify the fresh things he's introduced to the ABs. I'm excluding the negatives: the decline in defence and attack, the gradual loss of skills, the kicking that is less and less contestable, the decline in the lineout and so on. Can anyone identify positive changes in the last couple of seasons?
I was thinking along similar line the other day. It occurred to me that I am struggling to find one aspect of the game where I can confidently say the ABs are consistently world class in. The ABs can 'hold their own' in most areas for sure, but can anyone point to an aspect of the game where they would be considered the world's best?
Broken field attack. Individual moments of magic.
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Does anyone have access to this article?
https://www.rugbypass.com/plus/burned-by-beirne-is-the-all-blacks-engine-room-coming-off-the-rails/
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@Crazy-Horse said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@kiwi_expat said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
Here's a genuine question: What differences to the ABs' play have been introduced in the two and a half years since Foster became head coach? He spoke after being appointed about all the fresh ideas he would bring. I'd love to hear from anyone who can identify the fresh things he's introduced to the ABs. I'm excluding the negatives: the decline in defence and attack, the gradual loss of skills, the kicking that is less and less contestable, the decline in the lineout and so on. Can anyone identify positive changes in the last couple of seasons?
I was thinking along similar line the other day. It occurred to me that I am struggling to find one aspect of the game where I can confidently say the ABs are consistently world class in. The ABs can 'hold their own' in most areas for sure, but can anyone point to an aspect of the game where they would be considered the world's best?
Broken field attack. Individual moments of magic.
@stodders said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Crazy-Horse said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@kiwi_expat said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
Here's a genuine question: What differences to the ABs' play have been introduced in the two and a half years since Foster became head coach? He spoke after being appointed about all the fresh ideas he would bring. I'd love to hear from anyone who can identify the fresh things he's introduced to the ABs. I'm excluding the negatives: the decline in defence and attack, the gradual loss of skills, the kicking that is less and less contestable, the decline in the lineout and so on. Can anyone identify positive changes in the last couple of seasons?
I was thinking along similar line the other day. It occurred to me that I am struggling to find one aspect of the game where I can confidently say the ABs are consistently world class in. The ABs can 'hold their own' in most areas for sure, but can anyone point to an aspect of the game where they would be considered the world's best?
Broken field attack. Individual moments of magic.
Doesn't have as much impact if you can't force the opposition into turnovers or mistakes
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@kiwi_expat said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
Here's a genuine question: What differences to the ABs' play have been introduced in the two and a half years since Foster became head coach? He spoke after being appointed about all the fresh ideas he would bring. I'd love to hear from anyone who can identify the fresh things he's introduced to the ABs. I'm excluding the negatives: the decline in defence and attack, the gradual loss of skills, the kicking that is less and less contestable, the decline in the lineout and so on. Can anyone identify positive changes in the last couple of seasons?
I was thinking along similar line the other day. It occurred to me that I am struggling to find one aspect of the game where I can confidently say the ABs are consistently world class in. The ABs can 'hold their own' in most areas for sure, but can anyone point to an aspect of the game where they would be considered the world's best?
@Crazy-Horse said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@kiwi_expat said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
Here's a genuine question: What differences to the ABs' play have been introduced in the two and a half years since Foster became head coach? He spoke after being appointed about all the fresh ideas he would bring. I'd love to hear from anyone who can identify the fresh things he's introduced to the ABs. I'm excluding the negatives: the decline in defence and attack, the gradual loss of skills, the kicking that is less and less contestable, the decline in the lineout and so on. Can anyone identify positive changes in the last couple of seasons?
I was thinking along similar line the other day. It occurred to me that I am struggling to find one aspect of the game where I can confidently say the ABs are consistently world class in. The ABs can 'hold their own' in most areas for sure, but can anyone point to an aspect of the game where they would be considered the world's best?
Dropping the ball,Leaky defence,Poor kicking game, poor chasing of kicks.Lack of clear workable game plan
They would be better than most teams at those things.
