Foster, Robertson etc
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@Tim said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
All Blacks head coach Ian Foster is understood to have been told by his New Zealand Rugby bosses that they expect him to resign if his side loses in South Africa or fails to show definitive improvements.
The Herald understands the request was made by NZR chief executive Mark Robinson and general manager of professional rugby Chris Lendrum at a tense meeting at Foster's house a few days after the All Blacks had lost the series to Ireland.
At the same meeting Foster presented his plan to reshape his coaching team by axing assistant coaches John Plumtree and Brad Mooar and bring in Crusaders forwards supremo Jason Ryan.
That move was approved, but Foster was then told it may not be enough to save his job and that he was being given the series against South Africa to prove whether he is the right man to carry on as head coach.
It is believed that when he was told that he should resign if performances and results don't measure up in South Africa, Foster made it clear that if Robinson wants him out, he will have to sack him.
The inability of that exchange to provide any certainty about what will happen to the All Blacks head coach has added to the sense that there is a growing disconnect between Robinson and Foster.
Expecting him to resign is not a viable plan of action. Clearly Robinson doesn't understand how employment contracts work....
@canefan said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Tim said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
All Blacks head coach Ian Foster is understood to have been told by his New Zealand Rugby bosses that they expect him to resign if his side loses in South Africa or fails to show definitive improvements.
The Herald understands the request was made by NZR chief executive Mark Robinson and general manager of professional rugby Chris Lendrum at a tense meeting at Foster's house a few days after the All Blacks had lost the series to Ireland.
At the same meeting Foster presented his plan to reshape his coaching team by axing assistant coaches John Plumtree and Brad Mooar and bring in Crusaders forwards supremo Jason Ryan.
That move was approved, but Foster was then told it may not be enough to save his job and that he was being given the series against South Africa to prove whether he is the right man to carry on as head coach.
It is believed that when he was told that he should resign if performances and results don't measure up in South Africa, Foster made it clear that if Robinson wants him out, he will have to sack him.
The inability of that exchange to provide any certainty about what will happen to the All Blacks head coach has added to the sense that there is a growing disconnect between Robinson and Foster.
Expecting him to resign is not a viable plan of action. Clearly Robinson doesn't understand how employment contracts work....
Or he very much does, but thinks Foster doesn’t?
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@taniwharugby said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Machpants I guess, there is still time for him to turn this ship around before the RWC, however, evidence to date, he is steering at another iceberg!
I think he has already hit 4 icebergs he is a hard fucker to sink.
@Chris said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@taniwharugby said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Machpants I guess, there is still time for him to turn this ship around before the RWC, however, evidence to date, he is steering at another iceberg!
I think he has already hit 4 icebergs he is a hard fucker to sink.
very buoyant.....because hes fat
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@Chris said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@taniwharugby said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Machpants I guess, there is still time for him to turn this ship around before the RWC, however, evidence to date, he is steering at another iceberg!
I think he has already hit 4 icebergs he is a hard fucker to sink.
very buoyant.....because hes fat
@Kiwiwomble said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Chris said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@taniwharugby said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Machpants I guess, there is still time for him to turn this ship around before the RWC, however, evidence to date, he is steering at another iceberg!
I think he has already hit 4 icebergs he is a hard fucker to sink.
very buoyant.....because hes fat
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@Chris said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@taniwharugby said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Machpants I guess, there is still time for him to turn this ship around before the RWC, however, evidence to date, he is steering at another iceberg!
I think he has already hit 4 icebergs he is a hard fucker to sink.
very buoyant.....because hes fat
@Kiwiwomble said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Chris said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@taniwharugby said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Machpants I guess, there is still time for him to turn this ship around before the RWC, however, evidence to date, he is steering at another iceberg!
I think he has already hit 4 icebergs he is a hard fucker to sink.
very buoyant.....because hes fat
You’re not allowed to say this sort of stuff. It means you’re fattist.
No, Foster is fattest.
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@Kiwiwomble said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Chris said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@taniwharugby said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Machpants I guess, there is still time for him to turn this ship around before the RWC, however, evidence to date, he is steering at another iceberg!
I think he has already hit 4 icebergs he is a hard fucker to sink.
very buoyant.....because hes fat
You’re not allowed to say this sort of stuff. It means you’re fattist.
No, Foster is fattest.
@Catogrande said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Kiwiwomble said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Chris said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@taniwharugby said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Machpants I guess, there is still time for him to turn this ship around before the RWC, however, evidence to date, he is steering at another iceberg!
I think he has already hit 4 icebergs he is a hard fucker to sink.
very buoyant.....because hes fat
You’re not allowed to say this sort of stuff. It means you’re fattist.
No, Foster is fattest.
You leave him alone! He is a fine double-figure of a man!
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@Chris said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@taniwharugby said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Machpants I guess, there is still time for him to turn this ship around before the RWC, however, evidence to date, he is steering at another iceberg!
I think he has already hit 4 icebergs he is a hard fucker to sink.
very buoyant.....because hes fat
@Kiwiwomble said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Chris said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@taniwharugby said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Machpants I guess, there is still time for him to turn this ship around before the RWC, however, evidence to date, he is steering at another iceberg!
I think he has already hit 4 icebergs he is a hard fucker to sink.
very buoyant.....because hes fat
Long may fat jokes continue when they show this level of variety and humour.
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@Machpants said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@taniwharugby said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Machpants yeah that is pretty shit, happy to throw Plumtree and Moar under the bus (although I guess they got paid out?)
As I have said before, I cannot believe there were no strict KPIs around performance put in last year when he re-signed, given his role is all about performance...if he didnt like them then or think he could achieve them, he wouldnt have re-signed would he!
For me, I would have had win Irish series, retain Bledisloe as non-negotiable must achieves, this tour, despite our record in SA in recent years, I think losing both in tight affairs wouldnt be the end of the world, but winning 1, probably should have been an important one...especially off the back of a lost home series.
I totally agree that NZR having no performance related non negotiable KPIs in the finest is another example of their utter incompetence. But it stick in my throat all the shit foster comes out with about doing the best for the ABs, leaving the team in a better place. He had by any measure left us at our lowest point ever, esp in pro era, yet hasn't resigned. Two faced selfish fluffybunny
Obviously Fozzie is not a big Japanese film fan
@canefan said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Machpants said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@taniwharugby said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Machpants yeah that is pretty shit, happy to throw Plumtree and Moar under the bus (although I guess they got paid out?)
As I have said before, I cannot believe there were no strict KPIs around performance put in last year when he re-signed, given his role is all about performance...if he didnt like them then or think he could achieve them, he wouldnt have re-signed would he!
For me, I would have had win Irish series, retain Bledisloe as non-negotiable must achieves, this tour, despite our record in SA in recent years, I think losing both in tight affairs wouldnt be the end of the world, but winning 1, probably should have been an important one...especially off the back of a lost home series.
I totally agree that NZR having no performance related non negotiable KPIs in the finest is another example of their utter incompetence. But it stick in my throat all the shit foster comes out with about doing the best for the ABs, leaving the team in a better place. He had by any measure left us at our lowest point ever, esp in pro era, yet hasn't resigned. Two faced selfish fluffybunny
Obviously Fozzie is not a big Japanese film fan
Hard to source Wilkinson extra long?
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@Machpants said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@taniwharugby said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Machpants yeah that is pretty shit, happy to throw Plumtree and Moar under the bus (although I guess they got paid out?)
As I have said before, I cannot believe there were no strict KPIs around performance put in last year when he re-signed, given his role is all about performance...if he didnt like them then or think he could achieve them, he wouldnt have re-signed would he!
For me, I would have had win Irish series, retain Bledisloe as non-negotiable must achieves, this tour, despite our record in SA in recent years, I think losing both in tight affairs wouldnt be the end of the world, but winning 1, probably should have been an important one...especially off the back of a lost home series.
I totally agree that NZR having no performance related non negotiable KPIs in the finest is another example of their utter incompetence. But it stick in my throat all the shit foster comes out with about doing the best for the ABs, leaving the team in a better place. He had by any measure left us at our lowest point ever, esp in pro era, yet hasn't resigned. Two faced selfish fluffybunny
Obviously Fozzie is not a big Japanese film fan
@canefan said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Machpants said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@taniwharugby said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Machpants yeah that is pretty shit, happy to throw Plumtree and Moar under the bus (although I guess they got paid out?)
As I have said before, I cannot believe there were no strict KPIs around performance put in last year when he re-signed, given his role is all about performance...if he didnt like them then or think he could achieve them, he wouldnt have re-signed would he!
For me, I would have had win Irish series, retain Bledisloe as non-negotiable must achieves, this tour, despite our record in SA in recent years, I think losing both in tight affairs wouldnt be the end of the world, but winning 1, probably should have been an important one...especially off the back of a lost home series.
I totally agree that NZR having no performance related non negotiable KPIs in the finest is another example of their utter incompetence. But it stick in my throat all the shit foster comes out with about doing the best for the ABs, leaving the team in a better place. He had by any measure left us at our lowest point ever, esp in pro era, yet hasn't resigned. Two faced selfish fluffybunny
Obviously Fozzie is not a big Japanese film fan
Well he isn't a small Japanese film fan.
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@canefan said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Machpants said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@taniwharugby said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Machpants yeah that is pretty shit, happy to throw Plumtree and Moar under the bus (although I guess they got paid out?)
As I have said before, I cannot believe there were no strict KPIs around performance put in last year when he re-signed, given his role is all about performance...if he didnt like them then or think he could achieve them, he wouldnt have re-signed would he!
For me, I would have had win Irish series, retain Bledisloe as non-negotiable must achieves, this tour, despite our record in SA in recent years, I think losing both in tight affairs wouldnt be the end of the world, but winning 1, probably should have been an important one...especially off the back of a lost home series.
I totally agree that NZR having no performance related non negotiable KPIs in the finest is another example of their utter incompetence. But it stick in my throat all the shit foster comes out with about doing the best for the ABs, leaving the team in a better place. He had by any measure left us at our lowest point ever, esp in pro era, yet hasn't resigned. Two faced selfish fluffybunny
Obviously Fozzie is not a big Japanese film fan
Hard to source Wilkinson extra long?
@pakman said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@canefan said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Machpants said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@taniwharugby said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Machpants yeah that is pretty shit, happy to throw Plumtree and Moar under the bus (although I guess they got paid out?)
As I have said before, I cannot believe there were no strict KPIs around performance put in last year when he re-signed, given his role is all about performance...if he didnt like them then or think he could achieve them, he wouldnt have re-signed would he!
For me, I would have had win Irish series, retain Bledisloe as non-negotiable must achieves, this tour, despite our record in SA in recent years, I think losing both in tight affairs wouldnt be the end of the world, but winning 1, probably should have been an important one...especially off the back of a lost home series.
I totally agree that NZR having no performance related non negotiable KPIs in the finest is another example of their utter incompetence. But it stick in my throat all the shit foster comes out with about doing the best for the ABs, leaving the team in a better place. He had by any measure left us at our lowest point ever, esp in pro era, yet hasn't resigned. Two faced selfish fluffybunny
Obviously Fozzie is not a big Japanese film fan
Hard to source Wilkinson extra long?
Foster would need a zweihander to get through the layers
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@canefan said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Machpants said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@taniwharugby said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Machpants yeah that is pretty shit, happy to throw Plumtree and Moar under the bus (although I guess they got paid out?)
As I have said before, I cannot believe there were no strict KPIs around performance put in last year when he re-signed, given his role is all about performance...if he didnt like them then or think he could achieve them, he wouldnt have re-signed would he!
For me, I would have had win Irish series, retain Bledisloe as non-negotiable must achieves, this tour, despite our record in SA in recent years, I think losing both in tight affairs wouldnt be the end of the world, but winning 1, probably should have been an important one...especially off the back of a lost home series.
I totally agree that NZR having no performance related non negotiable KPIs in the finest is another example of their utter incompetence. But it stick in my throat all the shit foster comes out with about doing the best for the ABs, leaving the team in a better place. He had by any measure left us at our lowest point ever, esp in pro era, yet hasn't resigned. Two faced selfish fluffybunny
Obviously Fozzie is not a big Japanese film fan
Well he isn't a small Japanese film fan.
if the ABs do win both tests will people stop adding to this thread I wonder?
I've got to say I've learnt from this debacle, when my job is threatened I'll just tell my boss all it needs is a few tweaks.. -
if the ABs do win both tests will people stop adding to this thread I wonder?
I've got to say I've learnt from this debacle, when my job is threatened I'll just tell my boss all it needs is a few tweaks..@nostrildamus said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
if the ABs do win both tests will people stop adding to this thread I wonder?
I've got to say I've learnt from this debacle, when my job is threatened I'll just tell my boss all it needs is a few tweaks..As has been mentioned a lot, it is the manner of the victory that counts. coached play vs individual genius
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if the ABs do win both tests will people stop adding to this thread I wonder?
I've got to say I've learnt from this debacle, when my job is threatened I'll just tell my boss all it needs is a few tweaks..@nostrildamus said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
if the ABs do win both tests will people stop adding to this thread I wonder?
I've got to say I've learnt from this debacle, when my job is threatened I'll just tell my boss all it needs is a few tweaks..Learnings mate. Learnings.
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@taniwharugby said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Machpants yeah that is pretty shit, happy to throw Plumtree and Moar under the bus (although I guess they got paid out?)
As I have said before, I cannot believe there were no strict KPIs around performance put in last year when he re-signed, given his role is all about performance...if he didnt like them then or think he could achieve them, he wouldnt have re-signed would he!
For me, I would have had win Irish series, retain Bledisloe as non-negotiable must achieves, this tour, despite our record in SA in recent years, I think losing both in tight affairs wouldnt be the end of the world, but winning 1, probably should have been an important one...especially off the back of a lost home series.
I totally agree that NZR having no performance related non negotiable KPIs in the finest is another example of their utter incompetence. But it stick in my throat all the shit foster comes out with about doing the best for the ABs, leaving the team in a better place. He had by any measure left us at our lowest point ever, esp in pro era, yet hasn't resigned. Two faced selfish fluffybunny
@Machpants said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@taniwharugby said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Machpants yeah that is pretty shit, happy to throw Plumtree and Moar under the bus (although I guess they got paid out?)
As I have said before, I cannot believe there were no strict KPIs around performance put in last year when he re-signed, given his role is all about performance...if he didnt like them then or think he could achieve them, he wouldnt have re-signed would he!
For me, I would have had win Irish series, retain Bledisloe as non-negotiable must achieves, this tour, despite our record in SA in recent years, I think losing both in tight affairs wouldnt be the end of the world, but winning 1, probably should have been an important one...especially off the back of a lost home series.
I totally agree that NZR having no performance related non negotiable KPIs in the finest is another example of their utter incompetence.
Sacking him will cost a few million in contract penalties, they made the 400 IQ decision of extending his contract for another 2 years before he'd even faced a top 6 ranked nation. Once he'd beaten Fiji, Tonga & Australia B... well that obviously earned a contract extension!
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Once the envy of every rugby nation on all levels we are now like a banana republic African country.
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Once the envy of every rugby nation on all levels we are now like a banana republic African country.
@Billy-Tell said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
Once the envy of every rugby nation on all levels we are now like a banana republic African country.
@Billy-Tell said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
Once the envy of every rugby nation on all levels we are now like a banana republic African country.
Not sure about that, they might be faster..
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All Blacks head coach Ian Foster is understood to have been told by his New Zealand Rugby bosses that they expect him to resign if his side loses in South Africa or fails to show definitive improvements.
The Herald understands the request was made by NZR chief executive Mark Robinson and general manager of professional rugby Chris Lendrum at a tense meeting at Foster's house a few days after the All Blacks had lost the series to Ireland.
At the same meeting Foster presented his plan to reshape his coaching team by axing assistant coaches John Plumtree and Brad Mooar and bring in Crusaders forwards supremo Jason Ryan.
That move was approved, but Foster was then told it may not be enough to save his job and that he was being given the series against South Africa to prove whether he is the right man to carry on as head coach.
It is believed that when he was told that he should resign if performances and results don't measure up in South Africa, Foster made it clear that if Robinson wants him out, he will have to sack him.
The inability of that exchange to provide any certainty about what will happen to the All Blacks head coach has added to the sense that there is a growing disconnect between Robinson and Foster.
@Tim said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
All Blacks head coach Ian Foster is understood to have been told by his New Zealand Rugby bosses that they expect him to resign if his side loses in South Africa or fails to show definitive improvements.
This seems unlikely. But the media pressure (potentially egged on by the NZRU) would go into overdrive if they lost both and he didn't resign.
Can't believe they didn't have a performance clause. Maybe they do and 2 more losses might drop below the threshold.
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@Catogrande said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
Ach. Regardless of “doing the right thing”, why would Foster, or anyone in his position, jump, when getting pushed give you a better payout?
I recall when the Eichelbaum report into the 2003 hosting rights balls up was released the (new not Murray McCaw) Chairman (whose name escapes me) of the NZRU (as they were) announced CEO David Rutherford had "made an offer to resign" which they accepted.
Not sure it was commented on much at the time but I took that as him saying he'll resign with a specified payout.
Nothing stopping Foz doing similar.
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Once the envy of every rugby nation on all levels we are now like a banana republic African country.
@Billy-Tell said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
Once the envy of every rugby nation on all levels we are now like a banana republic African country.
Every second article I see 'suggested' to me on FB from Planet Rugby, Ruck, Irish Rugby, SA rugby is piling in, they be lovin' it.
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@Catogrande said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
Ach. Regardless of “doing the right thing”, why would Foster, or anyone in his position, jump, when getting pushed give you a better payout?
I recall when the Eichelbaum report into the 2003 hosting rights balls up was released the (new not Murray McCaw) Chairman (whose name escapes me) of the NZRU (as they were) announced CEO David Rutherford had "made an offer to resign" which they accepted.
Not sure it was commented on much at the time but I took that as him saying he'll resign with a specified payout.
Nothing stopping Foz doing similar.
