Foster, Robertson etc
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Next coach not only needs a coherent gameplan he needs to be a daring selector. The tight five needs some refreshing and that might mean promoting on promise and trusting instincts.
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Next coach not only needs a coherent gameplan he needs to be a daring selector. The tight five needs some refreshing and that might mean promoting on promise and trusting instincts.
@Billy-Tell said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
Next coach not only needs a coherent gameplan he needs to be a daring selector. The tight five needs some refreshing and that might mean promoting on promise and trusting instincts.
He needs to have a distinct idea of how he wants the team to play, then pick the best players for the job. There are good players in there, he just needs to pick the right combinations to succeed
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@stodders said in Springboks v All Blacks 2 (Fozzie's Swansong??):
@Victor-Meldrew said in Springboks v All Blacks 2 (Fozzie's Swansong??):
@booboo said in Springboks v All Blacks 2 (Fozzie's Swansong??):
Early 70s was shit too. In my lifetime but before my recollection ...
Eerily similar to now when one of the best periods on NZ rugby crashed spectacularly. It was utter shite, mainly, for year after year with occasional glimpses of light.
New coach after new coach didn't help much. (Bob Duff, the wonder coach who everyone wanted, as he was definitely and quickly going to restore the team's fortunes after the '71 Lions loss, was a utter fucking disaster). Took a good 5 years of crap until the penny dropped with the public & the NZRFU that we didn't have the players, the world had caught up and we needed to accept we had some work to do. After that, things got better, but it took a while.
Don't want to sound gloom and doom, but I think we are poss. in a really bad way rugby-wise and it could be a very bumpy ride for a few years. NZR needs some clear-headed thinking on where the fault-lines are and start planning to deliver the needed changes.
NZRU strategy mirroring the ABs gameplan - hope someone unearths a world class talent
️The turnaround came with a new coach - Jack Gleason - who nobody seemed to want except the NZRFU, IIRC. Was a bit of a maverick, dumped a load of star players, appointed a Test debutante (Mourie) as Captain. People thought he was bonkers and wanted him removed as coach but he injected intelligence and shrewdness in the team.
Need some of that shit now, I reckon.
@Victor-Meldrew This. With McCaw, Carter, Conrad, Ben and SW, you always knew we had the smarts
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Brain dump:
Bear in mind that there are lots of things that are considered 'flaws' even when the team is trucking along well and winning. That perfect game comes along rarely.
Just some new ideas on how we can compete against power sides that are well drilled and make few errors to feed off would be the job description IMO.
We aren't going to do any more than hold our own in the forwards unless we find 7 more Samisoni types.
I can actually see what Foster is trying to do but his ideas are being headed off at the pass before they can even get settled.
The game was reffed totally differently to what we see in Super and the current reffing at NPC and FPC is a mile away. Whether this is something that WR are trying to introduce up through the levels I dont know but it's not playing into our hands at the moment.
I'm not trying to find excuses but probably three quarters of the turnovers the other night would have been whistled for not releasing quickly enough from what we are seeing domestically. We aren't adjusting to that well enough.
One thing is very clear though, and even Foster is recognising it. The team is in a death spiral as despite improvements in some areas (defensive alignments, mauls) they are getting nothing to show for the work put in and the harder they try to break the funk the more they put themselves under pressure.
There's only one way to arrest these spirals and that's a fresh start.
I think Foster is possibly right strategically around what he's trying but tactically has been very poor and out-thought at every bend which has heaped pressure on the players and that coinciding with a power game coming right for teams that prefer that style (and a system that is encouraging power over skill) we are going to keep digging a deeper and deeper hole.
I also think that circumstances outside of Fosters control haven't helped one bit and have exposed his flaws. Covid, the lack of games with SA, the schedule (having to play Ireland, France, SA with hardly any respite to get players and styles established), injuries in weak areas, have all contributed but that doesn't wash away that fact of the death spiral that needs stopping.
I have sympathy for Foster much like any coach doing their best and having their flaws exposed by outside elements. We've witnessed these things before (with the Blues especially) and I think that even he will admit that it's gone too long now. The brave talk at the moment is because he still has a duty to try and get the team up for the weekend.
Quite how a new coach can take over half way through a championship is a bit beyond me but maybe that's the plan behind all of this. A few weeks of pain while stuff is being established in the background. -
@Victor-Meldrew This. With McCaw, Carter, Conrad, Ben and SW, you always knew we had the smarts
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@DaGrubster said in Springboks v All Blacks 2 (Fozzie's Swansong??):
Your analogy of coach is an interesting one and a thinly veiled reference to the situation today with Robertson.
Unintentional reference. Everyone believed Duff was a magic solution but it just kicked the can down Reality Road a little longer. It was rinse and repeat for the next two coaches as well.
If Razor takes the job then he will have an almighty job on his hands trying to turn this group around after it has been Fozzied for the last 3 years
Nope, I believe the problems way deeper than Foster and were there long before he took over. The danger is Robertson will improve things in the short term (google Hawthorn Effect) but the deeper problems will still exist and will re-emerge worse than ever.
@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@DaGrubster said in Springboks v All Blacks 2 (Fozzie's Swansong??):
Your analogy of coach is an interesting one and a thinly veiled reference to the situation today with Robertson.
Unintentional reference. Everyone believed Duff was a magic solution but it just kicked the can down Reality Road a little longer. It was rinse and repeat for the next two coaches as well.
If Razor takes the job then he will have an almighty job on his hands trying to turn this group around after it has been Fozzied for the last 3 years
Nope, I believe the problems way deeper than Foster and were there long before he took over. The danger is Robertson will improve things in the short term (google Hawthorn Effect) but the deeper problems will still exist and will re-emerge worse than ever.
I always liked the Hawthorne story.
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Brain dump:
Bear in mind that there are lots of things that are considered 'flaws' even when the team is trucking along well and winning. That perfect game comes along rarely.
Just some new ideas on how we can compete against power sides that are well drilled and make few errors to feed off would be the job description IMO.
We aren't going to do any more than hold our own in the forwards unless we find 7 more Samisoni types.
I can actually see what Foster is trying to do but his ideas are being headed off at the pass before they can even get settled.
The game was reffed totally differently to what we see in Super and the current reffing at NPC and FPC is a mile away. Whether this is something that WR are trying to introduce up through the levels I dont know but it's not playing into our hands at the moment.
I'm not trying to find excuses but probably three quarters of the turnovers the other night would have been whistled for not releasing quickly enough from what we are seeing domestically. We aren't adjusting to that well enough.
One thing is very clear though, and even Foster is recognising it. The team is in a death spiral as despite improvements in some areas (defensive alignments, mauls) they are getting nothing to show for the work put in and the harder they try to break the funk the more they put themselves under pressure.
There's only one way to arrest these spirals and that's a fresh start.
I think Foster is possibly right strategically around what he's trying but tactically has been very poor and out-thought at every bend which has heaped pressure on the players and that coinciding with a power game coming right for teams that prefer that style (and a system that is encouraging power over skill) we are going to keep digging a deeper and deeper hole.
I also think that circumstances outside of Fosters control haven't helped one bit and have exposed his flaws. Covid, the lack of games with SA, the schedule (having to play Ireland, France, SA with hardly any respite to get players and styles established), injuries in weak areas, have all contributed but that doesn't wash away that fact of the death spiral that needs stopping.
I have sympathy for Foster much like any coach doing their best and having their flaws exposed by outside elements. We've witnessed these things before (with the Blues especially) and I think that even he will admit that it's gone too long now. The brave talk at the moment is because he still has a duty to try and get the team up for the weekend.
Quite how a new coach can take over half way through a championship is a bit beyond me but maybe that's the plan behind all of this. A few weeks of pain while stuff is being established in the background.@Crucial said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
Possibly right strategically?
Can you please explain?
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Springboks v All Blacks 2 (Fozzie's Swansong??):
@DaGrubster said in Springboks v All Blacks 2 (Fozzie's Swansong??):
Your analogy of coach is an interesting one and a thinly veiled reference to the situation today with Robertson.
Unintentional reference. Everyone believed Duff was a magic solution but it just kicked the can down Reality Road a little longer. It was rinse and repeat for the next two coaches as well.
If Razor takes the job then he will have an almighty job on his hands trying to turn this group around after it has been Fozzied for the last 3 years
Nope, I believe the problems way deeper than Foster and were there long before he took over. The danger is Robertson will improve things in the short term (google Hawthorn Effect) but the deeper problems will still exist and will re-emerge worse than ever.
Foster isn't helping though. This team should be better. But we do need to reevaluate our playing style in test and SR level
@canefan said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Springboks v All Blacks 2 (Fozzie's Swansong??):
@DaGrubster said in Springboks v All Blacks 2 (Fozzie's Swansong??):
Your analogy of coach is an interesting one and a thinly veiled reference to the situation today with Robertson.
Unintentional reference. Everyone believed Duff was a magic solution but it just kicked the can down Reality Road a little longer. It was rinse and repeat for the next two coaches as well.
If Razor takes the job then he will have an almighty job on his hands trying to turn this group around after it has been Fozzied for the last 3 years
Nope, I believe the problems way deeper than Foster and were there long before he took over. The danger is Robertson will improve things in the short term (google Hawthorn Effect) but the deeper problems will still exist and will re-emerge worse than ever.
Foster isn't helping though. This team should be better. But we do need to reevaluate our playing style in test and SR level
100%.
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Brain dump:
Bear in mind that there are lots of things that are considered 'flaws' even when the team is trucking along well and winning. That perfect game comes along rarely.
Just some new ideas on how we can compete against power sides that are well drilled and make few errors to feed off would be the job description IMO.
We aren't going to do any more than hold our own in the forwards unless we find 7 more Samisoni types.
I can actually see what Foster is trying to do but his ideas are being headed off at the pass before they can even get settled.
The game was reffed totally differently to what we see in Super and the current reffing at NPC and FPC is a mile away. Whether this is something that WR are trying to introduce up through the levels I dont know but it's not playing into our hands at the moment.
I'm not trying to find excuses but probably three quarters of the turnovers the other night would have been whistled for not releasing quickly enough from what we are seeing domestically. We aren't adjusting to that well enough.
One thing is very clear though, and even Foster is recognising it. The team is in a death spiral as despite improvements in some areas (defensive alignments, mauls) they are getting nothing to show for the work put in and the harder they try to break the funk the more they put themselves under pressure.
There's only one way to arrest these spirals and that's a fresh start.
I think Foster is possibly right strategically around what he's trying but tactically has been very poor and out-thought at every bend which has heaped pressure on the players and that coinciding with a power game coming right for teams that prefer that style (and a system that is encouraging power over skill) we are going to keep digging a deeper and deeper hole.
I also think that circumstances outside of Fosters control haven't helped one bit and have exposed his flaws. Covid, the lack of games with SA, the schedule (having to play Ireland, France, SA with hardly any respite to get players and styles established), injuries in weak areas, have all contributed but that doesn't wash away that fact of the death spiral that needs stopping.
I have sympathy for Foster much like any coach doing their best and having their flaws exposed by outside elements. We've witnessed these things before (with the Blues especially) and I think that even he will admit that it's gone too long now. The brave talk at the moment is because he still has a duty to try and get the team up for the weekend.
Quite how a new coach can take over half way through a championship is a bit beyond me but maybe that's the plan behind all of this. A few weeks of pain while stuff is being established in the background.@Crucial said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
Quite how a new coach can take over half way through a championship is a bit beyond me but maybe that's the plan behind all of this. A few weeks of pain while stuff is being established in the background.
Change should have happened straight after Ireland 3. Then the new coach has just under 3 weeks to prep.
See snip below from allblacks.com (without the result update - shabby). 2 weeks between SA and Argentina in CHC. There isn't enough time unless the new coach is planning already and we're being lied to by NZR.
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@Crucial said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
Quite how a new coach can take over half way through a championship is a bit beyond me but maybe that's the plan behind all of this. A few weeks of pain while stuff is being established in the background.
Change should have happened straight after Ireland 3. Then the new coach has just under 3 weeks to prep.
See snip below from allblacks.com (without the result update - shabby). 2 weeks between SA and Argentina in CHC. There isn't enough time unless the new coach is planning already and we're being lied to by NZR.
@nzzp said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Crucial said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
Quite how a new coach can take over half way through a championship is a bit beyond me but maybe that's the plan behind all of this. A few weeks of pain while stuff is being established in the background.
Change should have happened straight after Ireland 3. Then the new coach has just under 3 weeks to prep.
See snip below from allblacks.com (without the result update - shabby). 2 weeks between SA and Argentina in CHC. There isn't enough time unless the new coach is planning already and we're being lied to by NZR.
Schmidt is in NZ
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@canefan said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Springboks v All Blacks 2 (Fozzie's Swansong??):
@DaGrubster said in Springboks v All Blacks 2 (Fozzie's Swansong??):
Your analogy of coach is an interesting one and a thinly veiled reference to the situation today with Robertson.
Unintentional reference. Everyone believed Duff was a magic solution but it just kicked the can down Reality Road a little longer. It was rinse and repeat for the next two coaches as well.
If Razor takes the job then he will have an almighty job on his hands trying to turn this group around after it has been Fozzied for the last 3 years
Nope, I believe the problems way deeper than Foster and were there long before he took over. The danger is Robertson will improve things in the short term (google Hawthorn Effect) but the deeper problems will still exist and will re-emerge worse than ever.
Foster isn't helping though. This team should be better. But we do need to reevaluate our playing style in test and SR level
100%.
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@canefan said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Springboks v All Blacks 2 (Fozzie's Swansong??):
@DaGrubster said in Springboks v All Blacks 2 (Fozzie's Swansong??):
Your analogy of coach is an interesting one and a thinly veiled reference to the situation today with Robertson.
Unintentional reference. Everyone believed Duff was a magic solution but it just kicked the can down Reality Road a little longer. It was rinse and repeat for the next two coaches as well.
If Razor takes the job then he will have an almighty job on his hands trying to turn this group around after it has been Fozzied for the last 3 years
Nope, I believe the problems way deeper than Foster and were there long before he took over. The danger is Robertson will improve things in the short term (google Hawthorn Effect) but the deeper problems will still exist and will re-emerge worse than ever.
Foster isn't helping though. This team should be better. But we do need to reevaluate our playing style in test and SR level
100%.
spot on @Victor-Meldrew. We are not producing the top class talent we used to. The coach needs changing, but the issues go far deeper - right up to the Board and governance, and right down to grass roots.
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@Crucial said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
Quite how a new coach can take over half way through a championship is a bit beyond me but maybe that's the plan behind all of this. A few weeks of pain while stuff is being established in the background.
Change should have happened straight after Ireland 3. Then the new coach has just under 3 weeks to prep.
See snip below from allblacks.com (without the result update - shabby). 2 weeks between SA and Argentina in CHC. There isn't enough time unless the new coach is planning already and we're being lied to by NZR.
@nzzp whichis why, IF there is to be a change, the wheels need to be in motion now, especially if Razor is involved so he can start his prep for the EOYT.
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@DaGrubster said in Springboks v All Blacks 2 (Fozzie's Swansong??):
Your analogy of coach is an interesting one and a thinly veiled reference to the situation today with Robertson.
Unintentional reference. Everyone believed Duff was a magic solution but it just kicked the can down Reality Road a little longer. It was rinse and repeat for the next two coaches as well.
If Razor takes the job then he will have an almighty job on his hands trying to turn this group around after it has been Fozzied for the last 3 years
Nope, I believe the problems way deeper than Foster and were there long before he took over. The danger is Robertson will improve things in the short term (google Hawthorn Effect) but the deeper problems will still exist and will re-emerge worse than ever.
@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@DaGrubster said in Springboks v All Blacks 2 (Fozzie's Swansong??):
Your analogy of coach is an interesting one and a thinly veiled reference to the situation today with Robertson.
Unintentional reference. Everyone believed Duff was a magic solution but it just kicked the can down Reality Road a little longer. It was rinse and repeat for the next two coaches as well.
If Razor takes the job then he will have an almighty job on his hands trying to turn this group around after it has been Fozzied for the last 3 years
Nope, I believe the problems way deeper than Foster and were there long before he took over. The danger is Robertson will improve things in the short term (google Hawthorn Effect) but the deeper problems will still exist and will re-emerge worse than ever.
ABs need Schmidt's attention to detail. The precision is lacking. From everything I have ever read and heard about Schmidt, he is a master at the tiny details. Body angles when clearing out, ball presentation, kick shepherding...all of these if improved would significantly make the ABs better than they are. He's also pretty good at designing set play moves and getting players to understand where they need to be and when.
Ireland have built on the base he left. Without Schmidt, Leinster would not have become the dominant force in Europe and Ireland would not be where they are now.
Most of all, Schmidt instilled the culture of excellence in his time in Ireland. He taught the players what they needed to do to compete with the best. They have taken responsibility for it, but he showed them what it would take.
It will be interesting to see what NZ does with such a valued asset in the next few weeks.
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@Machpants video analysis only ok. But Zoom or Skype or Teams with the players and coaches about overall strategy ain't the same.
@nostrildamus said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Machpants video analysis only ok. But Zoom or Skype or Teams with the players and coaches about overall strategy ain't the same.
Luckily that's not his role, he might do some with just the other coaches, but that is no problem over IP
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@Joans-Town-Jones said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@canefan said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Springboks v All Blacks 2 (Fozzie's Swansong??):
@DaGrubster said in Springboks v All Blacks 2 (Fozzie's Swansong??):
Your analogy of coach is an interesting one and a thinly veiled reference to the situation today with Robertson.
Unintentional reference. Everyone believed Duff was a magic solution but it just kicked the can down Reality Road a little longer. It was rinse and repeat for the next two coaches as well.
If Razor takes the job then he will have an almighty job on his hands trying to turn this group around after it has been Fozzied for the last 3 years
Nope, I believe the problems way deeper than Foster and were there long before he took over. The danger is Robertson will improve things in the short term (google Hawthorn Effect) but the deeper problems will still exist and will re-emerge worse than ever.
Foster isn't helping though. This team should be better. But we do need to reevaluate our playing style in test and SR level
100%.
spot on @Victor-Meldrew. We are not producing the top class talent we used to. The coach needs changing, but the issues go far deeper - right up to the Board and governance, and right down to grass roots.
@nzzp said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@canefan said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Springboks v All Blacks 2 (Fozzie's Swansong??):
@DaGrubster said in Springboks v All Blacks 2 (Fozzie's Swansong??):
Your analogy of coach is an interesting one and a thinly veiled reference to the situation today with Robertson.
Unintentional reference. Everyone believed Duff was a magic solution but it just kicked the can down Reality Road a little longer. It was rinse and repeat for the next two coaches as well.
If Razor takes the job then he will have an almighty job on his hands trying to turn this group around after it has been Fozzied for the last 3 years
Nope, I believe the problems way deeper than Foster and were there long before he took over. The danger is Robertson will improve things in the short term (google Hawthorn Effect) but the deeper problems will still exist and will re-emerge worse than ever.
Foster isn't helping though. This team should be better. But we do need to reevaluate our playing style in test and SR level
100%.
spot on @Victor-Meldrew. We are not producing the top class talent we used to. The coach needs changing, but the issues go far deeper - right up to the Board and governance, and right down to grass roots.
Totally, but shit management, innovative head coach with a history of leading winning teams, failing internal rugby set up, WR fucking the game over is better than shit management, staid head coach with no history of leading winning teams, failing internal rugby set up, WR fucking the game over
You've gotta start somewhere!
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@Crucial said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
Possibly right strategically?
Can you please explain?
@nostrildamus said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Crucial said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
Possibly right strategically?
Can you please explain?
I think we've tried out a few failures that sound OK in theory. Some of this goes back to Hansen days as well.
Deliberately trying to isolate ball carriers by absorbing tackles didn't work as others changed their carrying tactics to slightly delay the cleanout/support with the next group ready for the next hit and get a roll on that was hard to stop.
*in the past we haven't seen such quick tactical reaction from other countries
We've tried 30 odd metre kicking to keep turning around the rush defence with the aim to sometimes get the ball back in an unstructured field. Skills let us down there either from the kicker or the chasers and again the other top teams reacted very quickly to having clear clean up positions and readiness for counter attack.These are tactical failures because they didn't account for capability to execute and reaction from opposition. Strategically they are correct because we aren't going to outmuscle or out-fitness teams anymore and can't rely on the other top teams making skill mistakes like they used to for us to feed off so have to find other ways.
While trying out these failures though we have got into a muddle of not having clear heads on what to do when things aren't working.As an aside it will be interesting to see if in the next game we try a bit more of what Ardie did last week in drawing a penalty by stepping back out of the contact area so the arriving cleaner went off their feet over the ball. Plenty of opportunity to do that more often against these boks.
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@Crucial said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
Quite how a new coach can take over half way through a championship is a bit beyond me but maybe that's the plan behind all of this. A few weeks of pain while stuff is being established in the background.
Change should have happened straight after Ireland 3. Then the new coach has just under 3 weeks to prep.
See snip below from allblacks.com (without the result update - shabby). 2 weeks between SA and Argentina in CHC. There isn't enough time unless the new coach is planning already and we're being lied to by NZR.
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Brain dump:
Bear in mind that there are lots of things that are considered 'flaws' even when the team is trucking along well and winning. That perfect game comes along rarely.
Just some new ideas on how we can compete against power sides that are well drilled and make few errors to feed off would be the job description IMO.
We aren't going to do any more than hold our own in the forwards unless we find 7 more Samisoni types.
I can actually see what Foster is trying to do but his ideas are being headed off at the pass before they can even get settled.
The game was reffed totally differently to what we see in Super and the current reffing at NPC and FPC is a mile away. Whether this is something that WR are trying to introduce up through the levels I dont know but it's not playing into our hands at the moment.
I'm not trying to find excuses but probably three quarters of the turnovers the other night would have been whistled for not releasing quickly enough from what we are seeing domestically. We aren't adjusting to that well enough.
One thing is very clear though, and even Foster is recognising it. The team is in a death spiral as despite improvements in some areas (defensive alignments, mauls) they are getting nothing to show for the work put in and the harder they try to break the funk the more they put themselves under pressure.
There's only one way to arrest these spirals and that's a fresh start.
I think Foster is possibly right strategically around what he's trying but tactically has been very poor and out-thought at every bend which has heaped pressure on the players and that coinciding with a power game coming right for teams that prefer that style (and a system that is encouraging power over skill) we are going to keep digging a deeper and deeper hole.
I also think that circumstances outside of Fosters control haven't helped one bit and have exposed his flaws. Covid, the lack of games with SA, the schedule (having to play Ireland, France, SA with hardly any respite to get players and styles established), injuries in weak areas, have all contributed but that doesn't wash away that fact of the death spiral that needs stopping.
I have sympathy for Foster much like any coach doing their best and having their flaws exposed by outside elements. We've witnessed these things before (with the Blues especially) and I think that even he will admit that it's gone too long now. The brave talk at the moment is because he still has a duty to try and get the team up for the weekend.
Quite how a new coach can take over half way through a championship is a bit beyond me but maybe that's the plan behind all of this. A few weeks of pain while stuff is being established in the background. -
@nostrildamus said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Crucial said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
Possibly right strategically?
Can you please explain?
I think we've tried out a few failures that sound OK in theory. Some of this goes back to Hansen days as well.
Deliberately trying to isolate ball carriers by absorbing tackles didn't work as others changed their carrying tactics to slightly delay the cleanout/support with the next group ready for the next hit and get a roll on that was hard to stop.
*in the past we haven't seen such quick tactical reaction from other countries
We've tried 30 odd metre kicking to keep turning around the rush defence with the aim to sometimes get the ball back in an unstructured field. Skills let us down there either from the kicker or the chasers and again the other top teams reacted very quickly to having clear clean up positions and readiness for counter attack.These are tactical failures because they didn't account for capability to execute and reaction from opposition. Strategically they are correct because we aren't going to outmuscle or out-fitness teams anymore and can't rely on the other top teams making skill mistakes like they used to for us to feed off so have to find other ways.
While trying out these failures though we have got into a muddle of not having clear heads on what to do when things aren't working.As an aside it will be interesting to see if in the next game we try a bit more of what Ardie did last week in drawing a penalty by stepping back out of the contact area so the arriving cleaner went off their feet over the ball. Plenty of opportunity to do that more often against these boks.
@Crucial said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@nostrildamus said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Crucial said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
Possibly right strategically?
Can you please explain?
I think we've tried out a few failures that sound OK in theory. Some of this goes back to Hansen days as well.
Deliberately trying to isolate ball carriers by absorbing tackles didn't work as others changed their carrying tactics to slightly delay the cleanout/support with the next group ready for the next hit and get a roll on that was hard to stop.
*in the past we haven't seen such quick tactical reaction from other countries
We've tried 30 odd metre kicking to keep turning around the rush defence with the aim to sometimes get the ball back in an unstructured field. Skills let us down there either from the kicker or the chasers and again the other top teams reacted very quickly to having clear clean up positions and readiness for counter attack.These are tactical failures because they didn't account for capability to execute and reaction from opposition. Strategically they are correct because we aren't going to outmuscle or out-fitness teams anymore and can't rely on the other top teams making skill mistakes like they used to for us to feed off so have to find other ways.
While trying out these failures though we have got into a muddle of not having clear heads on what to do when things aren't working.As an aside it will be interesting to see if in the next game we try a bit more of what Ardie did last week in drawing a penalty by stepping back out of the contact area so the arriving cleaner went off their feet over the ball. Plenty of opportunity to do that more often against these boks.
Need to turn their strengths into weaknesses.
Bok cleaners leave their feet a lot and effectively seal the ball off. This is what Savea showed.
I'll be interested to see how much focus ABs give to the Bok kick chasers this week. AB shepherding was very poor allowing them free runs on the AB catcher. Boks were excellent at picking up the dropped ball from the initial contest.
For all the Bok dominance at the weekend, both of their tries came as a result of dropped balls. Frizell's when he had nobody near him was a coach killer. ABs need to make them work so much harder for 5 pointers.
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@Crucial said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
I can actually see what Foster is trying to do but his ideas are being headed off at the pass before they can even get settled.
What is he trying to do?
@Frank said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Crucial said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
I can actually see what Foster is trying to do but his ideas are being headed off at the pass before they can even get settled.
What is he trying to do?
See two posts above yours for some examples.
I'm not excusing his results or abilities just thinking a wee bit beyond 'the guy is useless'
