Springboks v All Blacks 2
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predictions
Akira pays the price in the forwards. Coles goes from the bench. Otherwise unchanged
Barretts are out, and that is all the changes the coaches can stomach, so Jordan goes to 15 and Reece to the wing. Or BBarrett is fit and plays 15. Either way Mounga starts. Otherwise no changes.
press conference is blah blah do better.
Game plays out much the same.
@mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
predictions
Akira pays the price in the forwards. Coles goes from the bench. Otherwise unchanged
Barretts are out, and that is all the changes the coaches can stomach, so Jordan goes to 15 and Reece to the wing. Or BBarrett is fit and plays 15. Either way Mounga starts. Otherwise no changes.
press conference is blah blah do better.
Game plays out much the same.
For Frizell??? Fuck I hope not!
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Perhaps part of the reason for Foster's essential dishonesty (self-delusion??) about where the team is at and where he is at is the fact that being fired carries a big pay-out for him. Resigning doesn't. He just can't level with anyone right now, because then the obvious question will be - why don't you quit. Going through to the bitter end serves him better.
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Perhaps part of the reason for Foster's essential dishonesty (self-delusion??) about where the team is at and where he is at is the fact that being fired carries a big pay-out for him. Resigning doesn't. He just can't level with anyone right now, because then the obvious question will be - why don't you quit. Going through to the bitter end serves him better.
@Frank said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Perhaps part of the reason for Foster's essential dishonesty (self-delusion??) about where the team is at and where he is at is the fact that being fired carries a big pay-out for him. Resigning doesn't. He just can't level with anyone right now, because then the obvious question will be - why don't you quit. Going through to the bitter end serves him better.
I don't want to second guess but from his recent interviews, he still looks invested, proud even. Not sure it is just about a massive payout. Or maybe he is paid by an outside evil force to make the NZR look like idiots? If so, doing quite well...
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Perhaps part of the reason for Foster's essential dishonesty (self-delusion??) about where the team is at and where he is at is the fact that being fired carries a big pay-out for him. Resigning doesn't. He just can't level with anyone right now, because then the obvious question will be - why don't you quit. Going through to the bitter end serves him better.
@Frank plus where would he go?
Seriously though, I think he genuinely seems to think he is on the right path, but I guess if all the players are giving good feedback to this effect, aside form the results, why wouldnt he?
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@nostrildamus said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@taniwharugby said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Barretts are out
Beaudy or Jordie or Scott or all?
god fuck how far have we fallen that i hope to god the only one available is Scott?
i hate this timeline
JB out-serious ankle injury. Don't know about BB but they said he is still sore so I imagine news they won't risk him either.
So both these statements on Newshub are utter bullshit?
Foster "I still think there's something special brewing, but we've got to keep showing it."
In a boost for Foster and the All Blacks, though, the pair of Beauden and Jordie Barrett have both been cleared of injury, and will remain in the frame to take the field at Ellis Park.
The first one is utter bollocks, unless you mean 'special' in the non PC way of referring to an idiot, so maybe the second is too?
@Machpants said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@nostrildamus said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@taniwharugby said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Barretts are out
Beaudy or Jordie or Scott or all?
god fuck how far have we fallen that i hope to god the only one available is Scott?
i hate this timeline
JB out-serious ankle injury. Don't know about BB but they said he is still sore so I imagine news they won't risk him either.
So both these statements on Newshub are utter bullshit?
Foster "I still think there's something special brewing, but we've got to keep showing it."
In a boost for Foster and the All Blacks, though, the pair of Beauden and Jordie Barrett have both been cleared of injury, and will remain in the frame to take the field at Ellis Park.
The first one is utter bollocks, unless you mean 'special' in the non PC way of referring to an idiot, so maybe the second is too?
I'd genuinely have believed him prior to the third Irish Test. I was expecting a response like the Dublin one after the historic loss. Now that statement is meaningless.
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@Frank plus where would he go?
Seriously though, I think he genuinely seems to think he is on the right path, but I guess if all the players are giving good feedback to this effect, aside form the results, why wouldnt he?
@taniwharugby said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Seriously though, I think he genuinely seems to think he is on the right path, but I guess if all the players are giving good feedback to this effect, aside form the results, why wouldnt he?
Then he is MASSIVELY self-deluded.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
How can they not be in form? Most of the squad played in a SR Final. They played good rugby.
There's a bit of a difference between SR & Test rugby - which is why George Bridge isn't a Test winger.
OK so then who do you pick? If no one will make the step up...
The super final is the closest to test rugby we have.
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
OK so then who do you pick? If no one will make the step up...
Precisely my point.
The super final is the closest to test rugby we have.
And maybe it isn't close enough.
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@Daffy-Jaffy said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Selling optimism to pessimistic, tear them down, tall poppy syndrome New Zealand - no easy feat…
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@Daffy-Jaffy said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Selling optimism to pessimistic, tear them down, tall poppy syndrome New Zealand - no easy feat…
@ACT-Crusader said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Daffy-Jaffy said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Selling optimism to pessimistic, tear them down, tall poppy syndrome New Zealand - no easy feat…
They are going to need more than a win. Only a solid well built win, not an under the cosh for 70 minutes and turn it on for 10 minutes type of win
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@ACT-Crusader said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Daffy-Jaffy said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Selling optimism to pessimistic, tear them down, tall poppy syndrome New Zealand - no easy feat…
They are going to need more than a win. Only a solid well built win, not an under the cosh for 70 minutes and turn it on for 10 minutes type of win
@canefan said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@ACT-Crusader said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Daffy-Jaffy said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Selling optimism to pessimistic, tear them down, tall poppy syndrome New Zealand - no easy feat…
They are going to need more than a win. Only a solid well built win, not a under the cosh for 70 minutes and turn it on for 10 minutes type of win
What is that?
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@canefan said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@ACT-Crusader said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Daffy-Jaffy said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Selling optimism to pessimistic, tear them down, tall poppy syndrome New Zealand - no easy feat…
They are going to need more than a win. Only a solid well built win, not a under the cosh for 70 minutes and turn it on for 10 minutes type of win
What is that?
@ACT-Crusader said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@canefan said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@ACT-Crusader said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Daffy-Jaffy said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Selling optimism to pessimistic, tear them down, tall poppy syndrome New Zealand - no easy feat…
They are going to need more than a win. Only a solid well built win, not a under the cosh for 70 minutes and turn it on for 10 minutes type of win
What is that?
Dunno, something similar to an 'aura'?
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@canefan said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@ACT-Crusader said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Daffy-Jaffy said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Selling optimism to pessimistic, tear them down, tall poppy syndrome New Zealand - no easy feat…
They are going to need more than a win. Only a solid well built win, not a under the cosh for 70 minutes and turn it on for 10 minutes type of win
What is that?
@ACT-Crusader said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@canefan said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@ACT-Crusader said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Daffy-Jaffy said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Selling optimism to pessimistic, tear them down, tall poppy syndrome New Zealand - no easy feat…
They are going to need more than a win. Only a solid well built win, not a under the cosh for 70 minutes and turn it on for 10 minutes type of win
What is that?
Something our opposition celebrates after the final whistle
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@Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
So Foster is yet again going to be forced by injury to make the right selection decisions?
No ones out, all three barretts are available
@Machpants said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
So Foster is yet again going to be forced by injury to make the right selection decisions?
No ones out, all three barretts are available
Can't wait to see how jordie and beauds go when injured, after the amazing form they've been showing when healthy.
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@Machpants said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
So Foster is yet again going to be forced by injury to make the right selection decisions?
No ones out, all three barretts are available
Can't wait to see how jordie and beauds go when injured, after the amazing form they've been showing when healthy.
@Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Machpants said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
So Foster is yet again going to be forced by injury to make the right selection decisions?
No ones out, all three barretts are available
Can't wait to see how jordie and beauds go when injured, after the amazing form they've been showing when healthy.
Probably as well as everyone else has, bar Samisoni?
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@Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Machpants said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
So Foster is yet again going to be forced by injury to make the right selection decisions?
No ones out, all three barretts are available
Can't wait to see how jordie and beauds go when injured, after the amazing form they've been showing when healthy.
Probably as well as everyone else has, bar Samisoni?
@Machpants said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Probably as well as everyone else has, bar Samisoni?
Good Hamiltonian pub name idea.
Bar Samisoni: bowl right on over. -
@Machpants said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
So Foster is yet again going to be forced by injury to make the right selection decisions?
No ones out, all three barretts are available
Can't wait to see how jordie and beauds go when injured, after the amazing form they've been showing when healthy.
@Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Machpants said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
So Foster is yet again going to be forced by injury to make the right selection decisions?
No ones out, all three barretts are available
Can't wait to see how jordie and beauds go when injured, after the amazing form they've been showing when healthy.
Being wounded will make them angry and dangerous
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@Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@antipodean said in Springboks v All Blacks 2 (Fozzie's Swansong??):
@booboo said in Springboks v All Blacks 2 (Fozzie's Swansong??):
This team, to my mind, is full of decent players who are less than the sum of it's parts.
I'm starting to believe the opposite. That we've a squad of players either not in form or exposed to Test rugby too early. Simply too many gaps in skills; other nations are finding and developing players while our famous depth is nowhere to be seen.
Predictability in attack shape just compounds the problem so now we don't know who is what.
How can they not be in form? Most of the squad played in a SR Final. They played good rugby. They step into the ABs and they turn to shit. Is that because they're out of form or because the coaching strategy is not working? 23 players can't be bad.
It doesn't require all 23 be bad, just sufficient aren't good enough. And as to whether they played well in SR, one has to keep in mind that was simply us playing ourselves and the Aussies. Flattered to deceive.
Who are the experienced players you propose to pick outside of the ones that are there?
That's broadly my point isn't it? We don't have the depth of 2007 and the experience of 2015. Both of those teams would towel the 2022 version the fuck up.
I'm coming around to the concept the malaise goes deeper than just the head coach.
@antipodean said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@antipodean said in Springboks v All Blacks 2 (Fozzie's Swansong??):
@booboo said in Springboks v All Blacks 2 (Fozzie's Swansong??):
This team, to my mind, is full of decent players who are less than the sum of it's parts.
I'm starting to believe the opposite. That we've a squad of players either not in form or exposed to Test rugby too early. Simply too many gaps in skills; other nations are finding and developing players while our famous depth is nowhere to be seen.
Predictability in attack shape just compounds the problem so now we don't know who is what.
How can they not be in form? Most of the squad played in a SR Final. They played good rugby. They step into the ABs and they turn to shit. Is that because they're out of form or because the coaching strategy is not working? 23 players can't be bad.
It doesn't require all 23 be bad, just sufficient aren't good enough. And as to whether they played well in SR, one has to keep in mind that was simply us playing ourselves and the Aussies. Flattered to deceive.
Who are the experienced players you propose to pick outside of the ones that are there?
That's broadly my point isn't it? We don't have the depth of 2007 and the experience of 2015. Both of those teams would towel the 2022 version the fuck up.
I'm coming around to the concept the malaise goes deeper than just the head coach.
It definitely does but that is why having a good coaching team is so important!
