Springboks v All Blacks 2
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I don't see Savea being used as the starting 7 again as he very rarely plays there for the Hurricanes either.
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@mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Donsteppa said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Sorry mafia, but Cane has to go.
HoriBoP is en route to revoke your Tauranga Citizenship and Bay of Plenty colours.
I'll start stripping off
There's a good chance he'll get diverted at the bakeries en route.
I have wondered how Cane (or Ardie) would be going with Sotutu at 8, but I doubt Foster will give us the chance to find out. By the time Foster is sacked, it will then be too late for Cane...
@Donsteppa said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Donsteppa said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Sorry mafia, but Cane has to go.
HoriBoP is en route to revoke your Tauranga Citizenship and Bay of Plenty colours.
I'll start stripping off
There's a good chance he'll get diverted at the bakeries en route.
I have wondered how Cane (or Ardie) would be going with Sotutu at 8, but I doubt Foster will give us the chance to find out. By the time Foster is sacked, it will then be too late for Cane...
unfortunately i think this is the truth of the matter. If cane is being hamstrung by the mix and the pattern he is asked to play, we will never know because i think he'll go down with this ship.
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@Donsteppa said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Donsteppa said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Sorry mafia, but Cane has to go.
HoriBoP is en route to revoke your Tauranga Citizenship and Bay of Plenty colours.
I'll start stripping off
There's a good chance he'll get diverted at the bakeries en route.
I have wondered how Cane (or Ardie) would be going with Sotutu at 8, but I doubt Foster will give us the chance to find out. By the time Foster is sacked, it will then be too late for Cane...
unfortunately i think this is the truth of the matter. If cane is being hamstrung by the mix and the pattern he is asked to play, we will never know because i think he'll go down with this ship.
@mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Donsteppa said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Donsteppa said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Sorry mafia, but Cane has to go.
HoriBoP is en route to revoke your Tauranga Citizenship and Bay of Plenty colours.
I'll start stripping off
There's a good chance he'll get diverted at the bakeries en route.
I have wondered how Cane (or Ardie) would be going with Sotutu at 8, but I doubt Foster will give us the chance to find out. By the time Foster is sacked, it will then be too late for Cane...
unfortunately i think this is the truth of the matter. If cane is being hamstrung by the mix and the pattern he is asked to play, we will never know because i think he'll go down with this ship.
Indeed, that was a big driver of the Mafia page rallying for one last genuine swipe at Ferret Foster. I think with better management (and not returning to the captaincy in the wake of the torn pectoral) we'd have got this year plus another All Blacks season out of Cane, and with less constant game time/more impact overall.
The bloke has had a decade in the top flight and a long/serious injury list, but will end up being thrown under the bus this year because of the relatively all or nothing approach taken to him.
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@Donsteppa said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Donsteppa said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Sorry mafia, but Cane has to go.
HoriBoP is en route to revoke your Tauranga Citizenship and Bay of Plenty colours.
I'll start stripping off
There's a good chance he'll get diverted at the bakeries en route.
I have wondered how Cane (or Ardie) would be going with Sotutu at 8, but I doubt Foster will give us the chance to find out. By the time Foster is sacked, it will then be too late for Cane...
unfortunately i think this is the truth of the matter. If cane is being hamstrung by the mix and the pattern he is asked to play, we will never know because i think he'll go down with this ship.
@mariner4life alot is being laid at the feet of Fozzie & Cane, neither are responding very well to this.
Fozzie trotting out the same tired cliches, Cane looks frustrated as fuck, but saying what you expect about how hard they are working, how close they are etc, but worst of all, his onfield performances or leadership are doing nothing to quell any concerns.
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@Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Duluth I got as far as putting in the right steps in preparation. They don't seem to be the right steps though eh, despite how stoked he is with the off pitch performance. Surely that has to become clear?
Winning on the training ground, it is like Foster has been infected by Cheika (We just need to do it better) and Cane by Hooper (We trained so very well)
It's so embarassing
@Machpants said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Duluth I got as far as putting in the right steps in preparation. They don't seem to be the right steps though eh, despite how stoked he is with the off pitch performance. Surely that has to become clear?
Winning on the training ground, it is like Foster has been infected by Cheika (We just need to do it better) and Cane by Hooper (We trained so very well)
It's so embarassing
Winning on the training ground
Oh good we now win on the training ground job done,
This is what the AB's have become, Disgrace. -
@mariner4life alot is being laid at the feet of Fozzie & Cane, neither are responding very well to this.
Fozzie trotting out the same tired cliches, Cane looks frustrated as fuck, but saying what you expect about how hard they are working, how close they are etc, but worst of all, his onfield performances or leadership are doing nothing to quell any concerns.
@taniwharugby said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@mariner4life alot is being laid at the feet of Fozzie & Cane, neither are responding very well to this.
Fozzie trotting out the same tired cliches, Cane looks frustrated as fuck, but saying what you expect about how hard they are working, how close they are etc.
Working hard on the wrong things, getting closer and closer to the wrong destination.
The NZ All Blacks. The definition of madness since 2019
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@taniwharugby said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@mariner4life alot is being laid at the feet of Fozzie & Cane, neither are responding very well to this.
Fozzie trotting out the same tired cliches, Cane looks frustrated as fuck, but saying what you expect about how hard they are working, how close they are etc.
Working hard on the wrong things, getting closer and closer to the wrong destination.
The NZ All Blacks. The definition of madness since 2019
@canefan said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@taniwharugby said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@mariner4life alot is being laid at the feet of Fozzie & Cane, neither are responding very well to this.
Fozzie trotting out the same tired cliches, Cane looks frustrated as fuck, but saying what you expect about how hard they are working, how close they are etc.
Working hard on the wrong things, getting closer and closer to the wrong destination.
The NZ All Blacks. The definition of madness since 20
1917Yes indeed
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@canefan said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@taniwharugby said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@mariner4life alot is being laid at the feet of Fozzie & Cane, neither are responding very well to this.
Fozzie trotting out the same tired cliches, Cane looks frustrated as fuck, but saying what you expect about how hard they are working, how close they are etc.
Working hard on the wrong things, getting closer and closer to the wrong destination.
The NZ All Blacks. The definition of madness since 20
1917Yes indeed
@Machpants said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@canefan said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@taniwharugby said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@mariner4life alot is being laid at the feet of Fozzie & Cane, neither are responding very well to this.
Fozzie trotting out the same tired cliches, Cane looks frustrated as fuck, but saying what you expect about how hard they are working, how close they are etc.
Working hard on the wrong things, getting closer and closer to the wrong destination.
The NZ All Blacks. The definition of madness since 20
1917Yes indeed
Nice correction
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I don't see Savea being used as the starting 7 again as he very rarely plays there for the Hurricanes either.
@Bovidae said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
I don't see Savea being used as the starting 7 again as he very rarely plays there for the Hurricanes either.
Was that due to being told his immediate future at
AB level is at 8 though ?So was in everyones best interests to play there to get better at it .
I’ve got no idea , but I wondered the same thing
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Dalton was the best 7 in NZ in SR, yet his brief moments in black this year, to me show how the environment is affecting people.
We know Fozzie has mad love for Ardie at 8, but the fact he has given Sotutu nothing at all is concerning, why? has Sotutu done something, does Fozzie just think Ardie is so crucial to whatever structure he wants to play, or does he just not think Sotutu is upto it?
How many weeks is it now since Sotutu has played rugby?
Have to think 1 of Grace or MMT will go on EOYT, despite them giving PGS a cap.
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Dalton was the best 7 in NZ in SR, yet his brief moments in black this year, to me show how the environment is affecting people.
We know Fozzie has mad love for Ardie at 8, but the fact he has given Sotutu nothing at all is concerning, why? has Sotutu done something, does Fozzie just think Ardie is so crucial to whatever structure he wants to play, or does he just not think Sotutu is upto it?
How many weeks is it now since Sotutu has played rugby?
Have to think 1 of Grace or MMT will go on EOYT, despite them giving PGS a cap.
@taniwharugby said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
How many weeks is it now since Sotutu has played rugby?
7 and half weeks
PGS was given the first 2 tests, and he'll never be back. Then they abandoned an 8 on the bench.
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@Bovidae said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
I don't see Savea being used as the starting 7 again as he very rarely plays there for the Hurricanes either.
Was that due to being told his immediate future at
AB level is at 8 though ?So was in everyones best interests to play there to get better at it .
I’ve got no idea , but I wondered the same thing
@kiwiinmelb We don't know either way, but just as likely to accommodate Kirifi in the loose forwards. Using another example, Goodhue never played 2nd 5 for the ABs before playing there for the Crusaders.
I understand that the AB coaches leave the SR coaches to make their own selection decisions, as it should be.
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@taniwharugby said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
How many weeks is it now since Sotutu has played rugby?
7 and half weeks
PGS was given the first 2 tests, and he'll never be back. Then they abandoned an 8 on the bench.
@mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@taniwharugby said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
How many weeks is it now since Sotutu has played rugby?
7 and half weeks
PGS was given the first 2 tests, and he'll never be back. Then they abandoned an 8 on the bench.
It's disgusting what they did with PGS. I'm also a fan of HS. They need minutes.
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@taniwharugby said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
How many weeks is it now since Sotutu has played rugby?
7 and half weeks
PGS was given the first 2 tests, and he'll never be back. Then they abandoned an 8 on the bench.
@mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@taniwharugby said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
How many weeks is it now since Sotutu has played rugby?
7 and half weeks
He played for CM in a game I watched a few weeks back. It was a 50 min match.
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@mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@taniwharugby said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
How many weeks is it now since Sotutu has played rugby?
7 and half weeks
He played for CM in a game I watched a few weeks back. It was a 50 min match.
@Bovidae said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@taniwharugby said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
How many weeks is it now since Sotutu has played rugby?
7 and half weeks
He played for CM in a game I watched a few weeks back. It was a 50 min match.
sorry
7.5 weeks since a meaningful game. Preseason NPC doesn't count
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@mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@taniwharugby said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
How many weeks is it now since Sotutu has played rugby?
7 and half weeks
PGS was given the first 2 tests, and he'll never be back. Then they abandoned an 8 on the bench.
It's disgusting what they did with PGS. I'm also a fan of HS. They need minutes.
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@taniwharugby said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
How many weeks is it now since Sotutu has played rugby?
7 and half weeks
PGS was given the first 2 tests, and he'll never be back. Then they abandoned an 8 on the bench.
It's disgusting what they did with PGS. I'm also a fan of HS. They need minutes.
you know what, if i set aside my differences on teh actual selections, i like the fact they aren't budging. They know what they think their best team is, and they are not budging. I think, had Whitelock and Retallick been available the whole time, then Cane, Savea and Barrett would have started every test. And that's a good thing.
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@Bovidae said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@taniwharugby said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
How many weeks is it now since Sotutu has played rugby?
7 and half weeks
He played for CM in a game I watched a few weeks back. It was a 50 min match.
sorry
7.5 weeks since a meaningful game. Preseason NPC doesn't count
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@mariner4life There hasn't been many opportunities for the players to play any other games if they weren't playing the Irish tests. Perofeta wasn't involved for Taranaki in that same tournament but Vaa'i was, so SP would be even rustier.
@Bovidae said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@mariner4life There hasn't been many opportunities for the players to play any other games if they weren't playing the Irish tests. Perofeta wasn't involved for Taranaki in that same tournament but Vaa'i was, so SP would be even rustier.
it's a significant flaw in our national structure.
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@Bovidae said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@mariner4life There hasn't been many opportunities for the players to play any other games if they weren't playing the Irish tests. Perofeta wasn't involved for Taranaki in that same tournament but Vaa'i was, so SP would be even rustier.
it's a significant flaw in our national structure.
@mariner4life I realise and appreciate the proud history of NZ Maori, but if there was a choice between NZ Maori and a NZ 2nd 15 playing the Irish, the latter should have done so.
