Springboks v All Blacks 2
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@stodders said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
It will be interesting to see how Pearce refs the high ball contest at the weekend after what happened last weekend. Wouldn't surprise me if WR have had a word with the ref team to clamp down early so there's no repeat.
I am a true believer in Murphy's Law, and Murphy's Law would suggest if there is a clamp down it will be an AB who is carded.
@Crazy-Horse said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@stodders said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
It will be interesting to see how Pearce refs the high ball contest at the weekend after what happened last weekend. Wouldn't surprise me if WR have had a word with the ref team to clamp down early so there's no repeat.
I am a true believer in Murphy's Law, and Murphy's Law would suggest if there is a clamp down it will be an AB who is carded.
The persecution complex on this thread is getting tiresome
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@Crazy-Horse said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@stodders said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
It will be interesting to see how Pearce refs the high ball contest at the weekend after what happened last weekend. Wouldn't surprise me if WR have had a word with the ref team to clamp down early so there's no repeat.
I am a true believer in Murphy's Law, and Murphy's Law would suggest if there is a clamp down it will be an AB who is carded.
The persecution complex on this thread is getting tiresome
@MiketheSnow said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Crazy-Horse said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@stodders said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
It will be interesting to see how Pearce refs the high ball contest at the weekend after what happened last weekend. Wouldn't surprise me if WR have had a word with the ref team to clamp down early so there's no repeat.
I am a true believer in Murphy's Law, and Murphy's Law would suggest if there is a clamp down it will be an AB who is carded.
The persecution complex on this thread is getting tiresome
Until it happens eh
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@stodders said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@stodders said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@stodders said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@stodders said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@stodders said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@stodders said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Springbok team for the weekend
If Vermeulen is fit, then that is an upgrade on Wiese. Marx is on the bench, but will come on fresh in the second half as the lungs are burning at altitude.
Jesse Kriel on the wing, he'll chase well and he is quick, but I'm not sure he offers the same aerial threat. He'll do a decent job and he covers midfield.
Ox at loosehead is an upgrade on Nyakane.
6:2 split on the bench. More of the same at the weekend
Neither should have Arendse and Mapimpi given the height of out back three but they still made a meal of the high ball for us.
Mapimpi is very good under the high ball. Arendse...plenty has been written on him. Let's just say that his technique is questionable
It will be interesting to see how Pearce refs the high ball contest at the weekend after what happened last weekend. Wouldn't surprise me if WR have had a word with the ref team to clamp down early so there's no repeat.
Yes but he shouldn't be outjumping taller blokes.
Will Jordan is 188cm. Mapimpi is 184cm. Mapimpi was moving forward. Jordan wasn't. The player with momentum will generally beat a player doing a standing jump.
That's piss weak excuses for me. But I take your point.
Thanks, I think.I guess the point I'm making is, how many high kicks we put up and we lost all but one in the air? I mean, these guys aren't Israel Folau. We should be getting at least parity.
I do agree with you. The technique was off. There were a couple of kicks that there just seemed to be no communication on. The one where J Barrett got injured was when he collided with Sam Cane.
The AB shepherds were not very good.
...and we had exactly the same problem with the high ball against Ireland: their kicks were accurate and they chased well and we gave our catchers no protection, while our kicks were inaccurate, chased poorly, and they shepherded extremely well. But still we have done nothing to address it - if anything getting worse. The Irish showed us what to do, but we are not capable of following their example.
That is poor coaching and teamwork. Clarke and Barrett, and to a lesser extent Jordan, are excellent in the air.@reprobate said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
chased poorly
I remember a couple that only went like 30m and we didn't even have a chaser within 20m when it came down. It was pretty disgusting and someone mentioned Jordan seeming like a petulant child, which seemed quite pertinent when you look at stuff like that - where was the intensity, passion....the want?! They just seemed like "fuck this", you can almost taste the disinterest.
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@MiketheSnow said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Crazy-Horse said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@stodders said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
It will be interesting to see how Pearce refs the high ball contest at the weekend after what happened last weekend. Wouldn't surprise me if WR have had a word with the ref team to clamp down early so there's no repeat.
I am a true believer in Murphy's Law, and Murphy's Law would suggest if there is a clamp down it will be an AB who is carded.
The persecution complex on this thread is getting tiresome
Until it happens eh
@Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@MiketheSnow said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Crazy-Horse said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@stodders said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
It will be interesting to see how Pearce refs the high ball contest at the weekend after what happened last weekend. Wouldn't surprise me if WR have had a word with the ref team to clamp down early so there's no repeat.
I am a true believer in Murphy's Law, and Murphy's Law would suggest if there is a clamp down it will be an AB who is carded.
The persecution complex on this thread is getting tiresome
Until it happens eh
Happened
https://www.world.rugby/news/731641/independent-disciplinary-process-update-angus-taavao-new-zealandhttps://www.world.rugby/news/733228/independent-disciplinary-process-update-andrew-porter-ireland
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@Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@MiketheSnow said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Crazy-Horse said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@stodders said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
It will be interesting to see how Pearce refs the high ball contest at the weekend after what happened last weekend. Wouldn't surprise me if WR have had a word with the ref team to clamp down early so there's no repeat.
I am a true believer in Murphy's Law, and Murphy's Law would suggest if there is a clamp down it will be an AB who is carded.
The persecution complex on this thread is getting tiresome
Until it happens eh
Happened
https://www.world.rugby/news/731641/independent-disciplinary-process-update-angus-taavao-new-zealandhttps://www.world.rugby/news/733228/independent-disciplinary-process-update-andrew-porter-ireland
@Machpants downvote. I'm still infuriated.
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Dalton was the best 7 in NZ in SR, yet his brief moments in black this year, to me show how the environment is affecting people.
We know Fozzie has mad love for Ardie at 8, but the fact he has given Sotutu nothing at all is concerning, why? has Sotutu done something, does Fozzie just think Ardie is so crucial to whatever structure he wants to play, or does he just not think Sotutu is upto it?
How many weeks is it now since Sotutu has played rugby?
Have to think 1 of Grace or MMT will go on EOYT, despite them giving PGS a cap.
@taniwharugby said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Dalton was the best 7 in NZ in SR, yet his brief moments in black this year, to me show how the environment is affecting people.
James Parsons made some interesting comments in the podcast this week. He's been there and knows how it works... less vanilla than The Breakdown boys. Talked about how when one part of the game plan isn't functioning... It affects the rest of the game plan. Then the confidence goes.. and it's a spiral effect.. talked about how the Crusaders are so well drilled... everyone knows their job.. and is damn confident doing it! But that takes time... and a good coaching system.
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@taniwharugby said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Dalton was the best 7 in NZ in SR, yet his brief moments in black this year, to me show how the environment is affecting people.
James Parsons made some interesting comments in the podcast this week. He's been there and knows how it works... less vanilla than The Breakdown boys. Talked about how when one part of the game plan isn't functioning... It affects the rest of the game plan. Then the confidence goes.. and it's a spiral effect.. talked about how the Crusaders are so well drilled... everyone knows their job.. and is damn confident doing it! But that takes time... and a good coaching system.
@kiwi_expat was just watching Mehrts on 'between two posts'. Low budget Stan production that produces more insights and engagement than the expensive but anodyne Breakdown
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@kiwi_expat was just watching Mehrts on 'between two posts'. Low budget Stan production that produces more insights and engagement than the expensive but anodyne Breakdown
@nzzp said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@kiwi_expat was just watching Mehrts on 'between two posts'. Low budget Stan production that produces more insights and engagement than the expensive but anodyne Breakdown
Any pearls to share?
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@nzzp said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@kiwi_expat was just watching Mehrts on 'between two posts'. Low budget Stan production that produces more insights and engagement than the expensive but anodyne Breakdown
Any pearls to share?
@stodders said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@nzzp said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@kiwi_expat was just watching Mehrts on 'between two posts'. Low budget Stan production that produces more insights and engagement than the expensive but anodyne Breakdown
Any pearls to share?
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@stodders said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@nzzp said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@kiwi_expat was just watching Mehrts on 'between two posts'. Low budget Stan production that produces more insights and engagement than the expensive but anodyne Breakdown
Any pearls to share?
@nzzp said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@stodders said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@nzzp said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@kiwi_expat was just watching Mehrts on 'between two posts'. Low budget Stan production that produces more insights and engagement than the expensive but anodyne Breakdown
Any pearls to share?
That could have been worse
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@taniwharugby said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Dalton was the best 7 in NZ in SR, yet his brief moments in black this year, to me show how the environment is affecting people.
James Parsons made some interesting comments in the podcast this week. He's been there and knows how it works... less vanilla than The Breakdown boys. Talked about how when one part of the game plan isn't functioning... It affects the rest of the game plan. Then the confidence goes.. and it's a spiral effect.. talked about how the Crusaders are so well drilled... everyone knows their job.. and is damn confident doing it! But that takes time... and a good coaching system.
@kiwi_expat I like listening to Parsons, when he is talking, provides good insights.
That said, I think that is pretty obvious to all, bar Fozzie and NZR in that things have slowly been getting away from us under his watch, and the foot has been put to the floor this year.
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@nzzp said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@stodders said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@nzzp said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@kiwi_expat was just watching Mehrts on 'between two posts'. Low budget Stan production that produces more insights and engagement than the expensive but anodyne Breakdown
Any pearls to share?
That could have been worse
@stodders said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@nzzp said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@stodders said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@nzzp said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@kiwi_expat was just watching Mehrts on 'between two posts'. Low budget Stan production that produces more insights and engagement than the expensive but anodyne Breakdown
Any pearls to share?
That could have been worse
Could have been a whole lot better too
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@stodders said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@nzzp said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@stodders said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@nzzp said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@kiwi_expat was just watching Mehrts on 'between two posts'. Low budget Stan production that produces more insights and engagement than the expensive but anodyne Breakdown
Any pearls to share?
That could have been worse
Could have been a whole lot better too
@MiketheSnow said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@stodders said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@nzzp said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@stodders said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@nzzp said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@kiwi_expat was just watching Mehrts on 'between two posts'. Low budget Stan production that produces more insights and engagement than the expensive but anodyne Breakdown
Any pearls to share?
That could have been worse
Could have been a whole lot better too
that's what she said
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@Crazy-Horse said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@stodders said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
It will be interesting to see how Pearce refs the high ball contest at the weekend after what happened last weekend. Wouldn't surprise me if WR have had a word with the ref team to clamp down early so there's no repeat.
I am a true believer in Murphy's Law, and Murphy's Law would suggest if there is a clamp down it will be an AB who is carded.
The persecution complex on this thread is getting tiresome
@MiketheSnow said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Crazy-Horse said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@stodders said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
It will be interesting to see how Pearce refs the high ball contest at the weekend after what happened last weekend. Wouldn't surprise me if WR have had a word with the ref team to clamp down early so there's no repeat.
I am a true believer in Murphy's Law, and Murphy's Law would suggest if there is a clamp down it will be an AB who is carded.
The persecution complex on this thread is getting tiresome
Nothing to do with feeling persecuted ffs. I was more suggesting an AB will end doing a reckless/silly challenge and get carded. Murphy's Law and all that...
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@MiketheSnow said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Crazy-Horse said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@stodders said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
It will be interesting to see how Pearce refs the high ball contest at the weekend after what happened last weekend. Wouldn't surprise me if WR have had a word with the ref team to clamp down early so there's no repeat.
I am a true believer in Murphy's Law, and Murphy's Law would suggest if there is a clamp down it will be an AB who is carded.
The persecution complex on this thread is getting tiresome
Nothing to do with feeling persecuted ffs. I was more suggesting an AB will end doing a reckless/silly challenge and get carded. Murphy's Law and all that...
@Crazy-Horse said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@MiketheSnow said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Crazy-Horse said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@stodders said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
It will be interesting to see how Pearce refs the high ball contest at the weekend after what happened last weekend. Wouldn't surprise me if WR have had a word with the ref team to clamp down early so there's no repeat.
I am a true believer in Murphy's Law, and Murphy's Law would suggest if there is a clamp down it will be an AB who is carded.
The persecution complex on this thread is getting tiresome
Nothing to do with feeling persecuted ffs. I was more suggesting an AB will end doing a reckless/silly challenge and get carded. Murphy's Law and all that...
It's more we seem to have a slow speed of thought ans reaction at the moment.
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@MiketheSnow said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Crazy-Horse said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@stodders said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
It will be interesting to see how Pearce refs the high ball contest at the weekend after what happened last weekend. Wouldn't surprise me if WR have had a word with the ref team to clamp down early so there's no repeat.
I am a true believer in Murphy's Law, and Murphy's Law would suggest if there is a clamp down it will be an AB who is carded.
The persecution complex on this thread is getting tiresome
Nothing to do with feeling persecuted ffs. I was more suggesting an AB will end doing a reckless/silly challenge and get carded. Murphy's Law and all that...
@Crazy-Horse said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@MiketheSnow said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Crazy-Horse said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@stodders said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
It will be interesting to see how Pearce refs the high ball contest at the weekend after what happened last weekend. Wouldn't surprise me if WR have had a word with the ref team to clamp down early so there's no repeat.
I am a true believer in Murphy's Law, and Murphy's Law would suggest if there is a clamp down it will be an AB who is carded.
The persecution complex on this thread is getting tiresome
Nothing to do with feeling persecuted ffs. I was more suggesting an AB will end doing a reckless/silly challenge and get carded. Murphy's Law and all that...
As it should be
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@Crazy-Horse said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@MiketheSnow said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Crazy-Horse said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@stodders said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
It will be interesting to see how Pearce refs the high ball contest at the weekend after what happened last weekend. Wouldn't surprise me if WR have had a word with the ref team to clamp down early so there's no repeat.
I am a true believer in Murphy's Law, and Murphy's Law would suggest if there is a clamp down it will be an AB who is carded.
The persecution complex on this thread is getting tiresome
Nothing to do with feeling persecuted ffs. I was more suggesting an AB will end doing a reckless/silly challenge and get carded. Murphy's Law and all that...
As it should be
@MiketheSnow said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Crazy-Horse said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@MiketheSnow said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Crazy-Horse said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@stodders said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
It will be interesting to see how Pearce refs the high ball contest at the weekend after what happened last weekend. Wouldn't surprise me if WR have had a word with the ref team to clamp down early so there's no repeat.
I am a true believer in Murphy's Law, and Murphy's Law would suggest if there is a clamp down it will be an AB who is carded.
The persecution complex on this thread is getting tiresome
Nothing to do with feeling persecuted ffs. I was more suggesting an AB will end doing a reckless/silly challenge and get carded. Murphy's Law and all that...
As it should be
Yes mum.
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@mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
it feels like we are at that point where, if it was lower levels, you just go back to basics. Shit hasn't been going right, your patterns are gone, everything is muddled, and the finger pointing starts.
A good coach chucks the play book out for a week and says "fuck it boys, this week it's basics". Smash on to the ball. Play narrower. kick a lot. Focus on the set piece.
Take all the cloud and doubt out of the players heads, and just play code.We won't of course, we'll try to do the same shit "but better" but if ever i saw a squad that needed to clear their heads it is this one.
It feels like there's a real lack of detail in everything the ABs are doing (with the exception of Jason Ryan who has just got there and already made some improvements).
For example - the kick chase issue -we know we need to diffuse the high ball but there's no detail around making that happen - as Mils says in the video above - it starts from pressuring the kicker, then having support players in front of and behind the catcher - in other words there's a lot of detail around it and it's a team effort.
@KiwiMurph said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
(with the exception of Jason Ryan who has just got there and already made some improvements).
Really? You're not arguing a change in the coaching staff has brought rapid improvements, are you?
I've been told no-one was saying that... :fishing_pole:
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@Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@taniwharugby said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
How many weeks is it now since Sotutu has played rugby?
7 and half weeks
PGS was given the first 2 tests, and he'll never be back. Then they abandoned an 8 on the bench.
It's disgusting what they did with PGS. I'm also a fan of HS. They need minutes.
you know what, if i set aside my differences on teh actual selections, i like the fact they aren't budging. They know what they think their best team is, and they are not budging. I think, had Whitelock and Retallick been available the whole time, then Cane, Savea and Barrett would have started every test. And that's a good thing.
@mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@taniwharugby said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
How many weeks is it now since Sotutu has played rugby?
7 and half weeks
PGS was given the first 2 tests, and he'll never be back. Then they abandoned an 8 on the bench.
It's disgusting what they did with PGS. I'm also a fan of HS. They need minutes.
you know what, if i set aside my differences on teh actual selections, i like the fact they aren't budging. They know what they think their best team is, and they are not budging. I think, had Whitelock and Retallick been available the whole time, then Cane, Savea and Barrett would have started every test. And that's a good thing.
Selection consistency is a good thing, but there often comes a time when you need to say "fuck it, let's shake some things up".
Think that time is now as there's little to lose.
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If the Ioane brothers play this weekend, I'd like to see a bunch of aggressive, dickhead, grub play. Head rubs, insults, shoving players, elbows leaning in to players on the ground, getting stuck in and being the biggest dicks they can be. Take it to them in all ways.
