Baby Blacks
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@Bovidae said in Baby Blacks:
@Nepia said in Baby Blacks:
Is Brial eligible for NZ via birth?
No, although I read that the Brial family spends part of the year in the Queenstown area. Having arguments over building plans with neighbours, so nothing has changed.
Is his Mum a Kiwi? If not then is he using residency? And then I'd assume that would needed to have started after he left school.
@Nepia said in Baby Blacks:
@Bovidae said in Baby Blacks:
@Nepia said in Baby Blacks:
Is Brial eligible for NZ via birth?
No, although I read that the Brial family spends part of the year in the Queenstown area. Having arguments over building plans with neighbours, so nothing has changed.
Is his Mum a Kiwi? If not then is he using residency? And then I'd assume that would needed to have started after he left school.
Only if he moved here without his parents/family.
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@Nepia said in Baby Blacks:
@Bovidae said in Baby Blacks:
@Nepia said in Baby Blacks:
Is Brial eligible for NZ via birth?
No, although I read that the Brial family spends part of the year in the Queenstown area. Having arguments over building plans with neighbours, so nothing has changed.
Is his Mum a Kiwi? If not then is he using residency? And then I'd assume that would needed to have started after he left school.
Only if he moved here without his parents/family.
@Stargazer said in Baby Blacks:
@Nepia said in Baby Blacks:
@Bovidae said in Baby Blacks:
@Nepia said in Baby Blacks:
Is Brial eligible for NZ via birth?
No, although I read that the Brial family spends part of the year in the Queenstown area. Having arguments over building plans with neighbours, so nothing has changed.
Is his Mum a Kiwi? If not then is he using residency? And then I'd assume that would needed to have started after he left school.
Only if he moved here without his parents/family.
I was more meaning that he went to school in Oz. Is he a resident of NZ when he's doing his schooling over there?
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@Stargazer said in Baby Blacks:
@Nepia said in Baby Blacks:
@Bovidae said in Baby Blacks:
@Nepia said in Baby Blacks:
Is Brial eligible for NZ via birth?
No, although I read that the Brial family spends part of the year in the Queenstown area. Having arguments over building plans with neighbours, so nothing has changed.
Is his Mum a Kiwi? If not then is he using residency? And then I'd assume that would needed to have started after he left school.
Only if he moved here without his parents/family.
I was more meaning that he went to school in Oz. Is he a resident of NZ when he's doing his schooling over there?
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@Stargazer said in Baby Blacks:
@Nepia Depends on where his parental home is.
So if his parents live in NZ then that would be considered his parental home and it would be counted for his residency purposes, even though he lives most of the year in Oz?
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@Stargazer said in Baby Blacks:
@Nepia Depends on where his parental home is.
So if his parents live in NZ then that would be considered his parental home and it would be counted for his residency purposes, even though he lives most of the year in Oz?
@Nepia I don't know the details of his schooling in Oz, so hard to aswer that question.
This is from the Explanatory Guidelines to Regulation 8 (Eligibility):
19 What is the position of students?
As far as students are concerned, particularly those that are not financially independent, being resident, as a full-time student, in another country, is likely to be considered as a series of temporary absences from the parental home. It is anticipated that in the majority of cases involving students the parental home is likely to continue to constitute the student’s permanent and primary home. Accordingly, attendance at school by a person who has not yet reached the age of majority in such circumstances is unlikely to break a Player’s consecutive period of Residence. However, as in all matters of eligibility, the overriding concern of the Regulations Committee in assessing any such case will be to ensure that there remains a close, credible and established link with the country in which the Player claims to have retained his primary and permanent home. There could be circumstances in which a student living in another country may wish to elect to commence a new period of residency in the country in which they are studying, for example where the Player is attending college/university (having reached the age of majority) in the jurisdiction of another Union and has relocated there on a permanent basis i.e. has only taken short breaks away from that new country as set out in paragraph 16 above. In cases involving students, the relevant Union and Player are advised to request a ruling from the Regulations Committee to ensure compliance in advance of the Player representing the Union. It is not permissible for a Union or educational establishment to offer scholarships or other benefits that restrict a Player’s ability to choose which Union they wish to represent. -
@Nepia I don't know the details of his schooling in Oz, so hard to aswer that question.
This is from the Explanatory Guidelines to Regulation 8 (Eligibility):
19 What is the position of students?
As far as students are concerned, particularly those that are not financially independent, being resident, as a full-time student, in another country, is likely to be considered as a series of temporary absences from the parental home. It is anticipated that in the majority of cases involving students the parental home is likely to continue to constitute the student’s permanent and primary home. Accordingly, attendance at school by a person who has not yet reached the age of majority in such circumstances is unlikely to break a Player’s consecutive period of Residence. However, as in all matters of eligibility, the overriding concern of the Regulations Committee in assessing any such case will be to ensure that there remains a close, credible and established link with the country in which the Player claims to have retained his primary and permanent home. There could be circumstances in which a student living in another country may wish to elect to commence a new period of residency in the country in which they are studying, for example where the Player is attending college/university (having reached the age of majority) in the jurisdiction of another Union and has relocated there on a permanent basis i.e. has only taken short breaks away from that new country as set out in paragraph 16 above. In cases involving students, the relevant Union and Player are advised to request a ruling from the Regulations Committee to ensure compliance in advance of the Player representing the Union. It is not permissible for a Union or educational establishment to offer scholarships or other benefits that restrict a Player’s ability to choose which Union they wish to represent.@Stargazer said in Baby Blacks:
@Nepia I don't know the details of his schooling in Oz, so hard to aswer that question.
This is from the Explanatory Guidelines to Regulation 8 (Eligibility):
19 What is the position of students?
As far as students are concerned, particularly those that are not financially independent, being resident, as a full-time student, in another country, is likely to be considered as a series of temporary absences from the parental home. It is anticipated that in the majority of cases involving students the parental home is likely to continue to constitute the student’s permanent and primary home. Accordingly, attendance at school by a person who has not yet reached the age of majority in such circumstances is unlikely to break a Player’s consecutive period of Residence. However, as in all matters of eligibility, the overriding concern of the Regulations Committee in assessing any such case will be to ensure that there remains a close, credible and established link with the country in which the Player claims to have retained his primary and permanent home. There could be circumstances in which a student living in another country may wish to elect to commence a new period of residency in the country in which they are studying, for example where the Player is attending college/university (having reached the age of majority) in the jurisdiction of another Union and has relocated there on a permanent basis i.e. has only taken short breaks away from that new country as set out in paragraph 16 above. In cases involving students, the relevant Union and Player are advised to request a ruling from the Regulations Committee to ensure compliance in advance of the Player representing the Union. It is not permissible for a Union or educational establishment to offer scholarships or other benefits that restrict a Player’s ability to choose which Union they wish to represent.I guess there's also the question of when does someone who moves as an 8 year old become eligible? And is that eligibility set in stone from that date.
I assume this situation doesn't come up very often.
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How about we go all 1986 and declare this lot in SA at the moment the Cavaliers. Meanwhile we put together a Baby Blacks back home then join a handful from the Cavs back in for the rest of the tear.
Who is the squad once the dead wood is cut and we jump the backups right into the fresh stuff? No pressure to win immediately but to sweep the room and rebuild.
DeGroot
Ross
Bower
ST
McAlister
AN Hooker
Jager
Williams
Newell
Vai'i
Gardiner
McWhannell
Grace
Blackadder
Mikaili-Tu'u
Savea
Plumtree
Papali'i
Ratima
Fakatava
Perofeta
Z Sullivan
Tupaea
R Ioane
Jordan
....Plenty of gaps to fill.
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@Crucial said in Baby Blacks:
Gardiner
McWhannell
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Mikaili-Tu'uSorry... who is Gardiner?
Where is Lord?
Pretty sure MMT is only rated by people from Hawkes.
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Cooper
Kirwan
Stanley
Stone
Wright
Botica
Kirk
Brewer
...Earl? Or was he at lock?
Brooke-Cowden
...Otago guy?
?Anderson?
Crichton???
Fitzpatrick
Boroevich. . Pretty sure I've got the backline ... Richard something from a southern union was the lock ...
Shall now google.
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Cooper
Kirwan
Stanley
Stone
Wright
Botica
Kirk
Brewer
...Earl? Or was he at lock?
Brooke-Cowden
...Otago guy?
?Anderson?
Crichton???
Fitzpatrick
Boroevich. . Pretty sure I've got the backline ... Richard something from a southern union was the lock ...
Shall now google.
@booboo said in Baby Blacks:
Cooper
Kirwan
Stanley
Stone
Wright
Botica
Kirk
Brewer
...Earl? Or was he at lock?
Brooke-Cowden
...Otago guy?
?Anderson?
Crichton???
Fitzpatrick
Boroevich. . Pretty sure I've got the backline ... Richard something from a southern union was the lock ...
Shall now google.
6 Wrong position ... speculation of alternative position correct
6 Wrong.
4 Correct union... didn't remember name
3 Wrong Wellington guy and wrong side of scrum.
1 Correct King Country guy but wrong side of scrum
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Here's your Baby Blacks team, plus/minus a few other players:
https://www.allblacks.com/news/new-zealand-under-20-squad-named
@Stargazer said in Baby Blacks:
Here's your Baby Blacks team, plus/minus a few other players:
https://www.allblacks.com/news/new-zealand-under-20-squad-named
You do know who the Baby Blacks were don't you?
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Suafoa is another talked about around these parts.
Lord should be a go.
Would like to see more of Wrampling if he gets back playing. Could be a good midfield line impact player from the little bits I remember@Crucial said in Baby Blacks:
Suafoa is another talked about around these parts.
Lord should be a go.
Would like to see more of Wrampling if he gets back playing. Could be a good midfield line impact player from the little bits I rememberThere are some, who have already posted on this thread who rate Samipeni Finau quite highly (cough cough @mariner4life cough) ...
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@Crucial said in Baby Blacks:
Suafoa is another talked about around these parts.
Lord should be a go.
Would like to see more of Wrampling if he gets back playing. Could be a good midfield line impact player from the little bits I rememberThere are some, who have already posted on this thread who rate Samipeni Finau quite highly (cough cough @mariner4life cough) ...
@booboo said in Baby Blacks:
@Crucial said in Baby Blacks:
Suafoa is another talked about around these parts.
Lord should be a go.
Would like to see more of Wrampling if he gets back playing. Could be a good midfield line impact player from the little bits I rememberThere are some, who have already posted on this thread who rate Samipeni Finau quite highly (cough cough @mariner4life cough) ...
#booboo
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@booboo said in Baby Blacks:
Cooper
Kirwan
Stanley
Stone
Wright
Botica
Kirk
Brewer
...Earl? Or was he at lock?
Brooke-Cowden
...Otago guy?
?Anderson?
Crichton???
Fitzpatrick
Boroevich. . Pretty sure I've got the backline ... Richard something from a southern union was the lock ...
Shall now google.
6 Wrong position ... speculation of alternative position correct
6 Wrong.
4 Correct union... didn't remember name
3 Wrong Wellington guy and wrong side of scrum.
1 Correct King Country guy but wrong side of scrum
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@booboo lord knee injury, Gardiner is the donkey from crusaders & hey I rate MMT and I'm not from the bay
@FakatavaAllBlack said in Baby Blacks:
@booboo lord knee injury, Gardiner is the donkey from crusaders & hey I rate MMT and I'm not from the bay
I think that's twice now I have read Gardiner referred to as a donkey. He is a young guy just starting out at the higher levels. Give him a chance.
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@Nepia said in Baby Blacks:
@Bovidae said in Baby Blacks:
@Nepia said in Baby Blacks:
Is Brial eligible for NZ via birth?
No, although I read that the Brial family spends part of the year in the Queenstown area. Having arguments over building plans with neighbours, so nothing has changed.
Is his Mum a Kiwi? If not then is he using residency? And then I'd assume that would needed to have started after he left school.
Joe has been in NZ since he was 8 so I presume Residency.
@Chris said in Baby Blacks:
@Nepia said in Baby Blacks:
@Bovidae said in Baby Blacks:
@Nepia said in Baby Blacks:
Is Brial eligible for NZ via birth?
No, although I read that the Brial family spends part of the year in the Queenstown area. Having arguments over building plans with neighbours, so nothing has changed.
Is his Mum a Kiwi? If not then is he using residency? And then I'd assume that would needed to have started after he left school.
Joe has been in NZ since he was 8 so I presume Residency.
Not this lad? https://www.linkedin.com/in/joe-brial-76024517b/?originalSubdomain=au
If he is the son of the guy who tried to dust up NZ rugby royalty I'm surprised his father managed to get through customs without walking funny..
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@Chris said in Baby Blacks:
@Nepia said in Baby Blacks:
@Bovidae said in Baby Blacks:
@Nepia said in Baby Blacks:
Is Brial eligible for NZ via birth?
No, although I read that the Brial family spends part of the year in the Queenstown area. Having arguments over building plans with neighbours, so nothing has changed.
Is his Mum a Kiwi? If not then is he using residency? And then I'd assume that would needed to have started after he left school.
Joe has been in NZ since he was 8 so I presume Residency.
Not this lad? https://www.linkedin.com/in/joe-brial-76024517b/?originalSubdomain=au
If he is the son of the guy who tried to dust up NZ rugby royalty I'm surprised his father managed to get through customs without walking funny..
@nostrildamus said in Baby Blacks:
@Chris said in Baby Blacks:
@Nepia said in Baby Blacks:
@Bovidae said in Baby Blacks:
@Nepia said in Baby Blacks:
Is Brial eligible for NZ via birth?
No, although I read that the Brial family spends part of the year in the Queenstown area. Having arguments over building plans with neighbours, so nothing has changed.
Is his Mum a Kiwi? If not then is he using residency? And then I'd assume that would needed to have started after he left school.
Joe has been in NZ since he was 8 so I presume Residency.
Not this lad? https://www.linkedin.com/in/joe-brial-76024517b/?originalSubdomain=auIf he is the son of the guy who tried to dust up NZ rugby royalty I'm surprised his father managed to get through customs without walking funny..
Thats the one
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I think the thread title and name "Baby Blacks" causes some confusion.
"Baby Blacks" was a nickname originally used for the All Blacks team that beat France in Christchurch in 1986 with a lot of debutants in the line-up. This is something that very few younger and non-NZ rugby fans will remember.
In recent times, the nickname has been used and is far more widely known for the NZ Under 20s team.
When referring to the "Baby Blacks", I think most people will think of the NZ Under 20s team.
