Foster, Robertson etc
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I am quite happy for whoever takes over the ABs to not be restrained on a tight leash by the NZRU as it stands right now. These are the same people who were running the ship when we got into this mess. If you were Robertson, or anyone else for that matter, would you really want your ability to perform controlled by these people? Appoint someone and trust them to do the job. Having too many controls in place can be counter productive.
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I get why Robertson would like an ideal situation to work in (wouldn't we all) and it is his right to see if he can get it. However, at some point he also needs to decide if this is about the ABs or about his career and goals.
I'm not criticising him either way, it is his call. But I'm sure those that think he will be saviour will claim that he was driven away instead of him doing what he thinks is best for himself.
Deans did it and turned out to not be the messiah, Rennie remains to be seen and Joseph has the luxury of low expectations.
Certainly interesting times and a lot of people will be pissed off at the outcome from Foster going. -
Just give Robertson a two year deal past the world cup and review at the mid point. This year should be invaluable to him, an expectations free run at a World Cup to get experienced with that tournament.
If he doesn't want it, maybe he's not the right guy anyway? Move on to the next guy.
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Just give Robertson a two year deal past the world cup and review at the mid point. This year should be invaluable to him, an expectations free run at a World Cup to get experienced with that tournament.
If he doesn't want it, maybe he's not the right guy anyway? Move on to the next guy.
@Kirwan yeah I think if he really wants to coach the ABs, why not go now? His mate Ryan is already there, while he may not get everything he wants, I am sure he can still cut a pretty sweet deal for himself, probably zero KPI's pre-RWC.
I see DC is helping the Black Ferns, why does Fozzie not engage his services? Jane for high ball work?
From the outside it does seem to be a very closed shop in terms of not looking to utilise the resources available.
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@Kirwan yeah I think if he really wants to coach the ABs, why not go now? His mate Ryan is already there, while he may not get everything he wants, I am sure he can still cut a pretty sweet deal for himself, probably zero KPI's pre-RWC.
I see DC is helping the Black Ferns, why does Fozzie not engage his services? Jane for high ball work?
From the outside it does seem to be a very closed shop in terms of not looking to utilise the resources available.
@taniwharugby said in Foster:
@Kirwan yeah I think if he really wants to coach the ABs, why not go now? His mate Ryan is already there, while he may not get everything he wants, I am sure he can still cut a pretty sweet deal for himself, probably zero KPI's pre-RWC.
I see DC is helping the Black Ferns, why does Fozzie not engage his services? Jane for high ball work?
From the outside it does seem to be a very closed shop in terms of not looking to utilise the resources available.
Fresh pair of eyes in several areas would certainly help Foster. Only so much you can do in a week, I'm expecting a worse loss this time.
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If Robertson says no there will be alternatives, including looking outside of NZ for a coach.
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So many assumptions about what Robertson wants or doesn't want. Too much speculation, too few facts.
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So many assumptions about what Robertson wants or doesn't want. Too much speculation, too few facts.
@Stargazer yep, as I said, I saw 2 seemingly well placed Social Media pages yesterday, claiming they have good sources (maybe they are just bog standard TSF sauces aye @booboo ) inside NZR citing completely opposite things...
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@Victor-Meldrew that's the kicker, Robertson SHOULDNT be able to dictate terms, but the way the last appointment process went and then the unwarranted extension and now this clusterfuck, he holds a pretty strong hand.
@taniwharugby said in Foster:
@Victor-Meldrew that's the kicker, Robertson SHOULDNT be able to dictate terms, but the way the last appointment process went and then the unwarranted extension and now this clusterfuck, he holds a pretty strong hand.
I think it is this attitude that has left it with the shit storm. Oh it’s such an honour, you should not get another job until after the NZR have finally done their interviewing, months and months after every other decent coaching position has closed. Yes it should be the ultimate for any Kiwi coach, but the reality is it is not the only job, and certainly not the best paid! So NZR have to start being a bit more accomodating to get what they want, rather than expect coaches to be at their beck and call. Players are being let go on sabbaticals, the same sort of thinking needs to aply to coaches.
If Razor doesn’t want the job without the promise of a full 4 year RWC cycle, and let’s be honest the RWC is what counts now, then NZR have to take it. Either give him the job, not without KPIs and break points (after 2023 RWC, and mid 4 year), or accept our best coach will be off somewhere else and we’ll be stuck with the leftovers. Again
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@MiketheSnow said in Foster:
If Robertson says no there will be alternatives, including looking outside of NZ for a coach.
Wash your mouth out
I didn't say a non-NZ coach, just not restricting the search to those currently residing here.
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@taniwharugby said in Foster:
@Victor-Meldrew that's the kicker, Robertson SHOULDNT be able to dictate terms, but the way the last appointment process went and then the unwarranted extension and now this clusterfuck, he holds a pretty strong hand.
I think it is this attitude that has left it with the shit storm. Oh it’s such an honour, you should not get another job until after the NZR have finally done their interviewing, months and months after every other decent coaching position has closed. Yes it should be the ultimate for any Kiwi coach, but the reality is it is not the only job, and certainly not the best paid! So NZR have to start being a bit more accomodating to get what they want, rather than expect coaches to be at their beck and call. Players are being let go on sabbaticals, the same sort of thinking needs to aply to coaches.
If Razor doesn’t want the job without the promise of a full 4 year RWC cycle, and let’s be honest the RWC is what counts now, then NZR have to take it. Either give him the job, not without KPIs and break points (after 2023 RWC, and mid 4 year), or accept our best coach will be off somewhere else and we’ll be stuck with the leftovers. Again
@Machpants I'm more meaning that this should be a plum role with multiple applicants, but the position we find ourselves in now is even worse than when Fozzie was appointed in the first place.
So with multiple applicants, the hirer should be able to have some negotiation power, but right now, NZR would appear to have fuck all.
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@Machpants I'm more meaning that this should be a plum role with multiple applicants, but the position we find ourselves in now is even worse than when Fozzie was appointed in the first place.
So with multiple applicants, the hirer should be able to have some negotiation power, but right now, NZR would appear to have fuck all.
@taniwharugby said in Foster:
@Machpants I'm more meaning that this should be a plum role with multiple applicants, but the position we find ourselves in now is even worse than when Fozzie was appointed in the first place.
So with multiple applicants, the hirer should be able to have some negotiation power, but right now, NZR would appear to have fuck all.
AH I misunderstood. But either way all those saying ‘if Razor doesn’t want to rescuse NZR and Foster’s clusterfuck, we don’t want him’ are shooting themselves in the foot. Same thinking that left us with Foster, the coaches will be queing up. Nope they get jobs with Unions that head hunt them
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If there is any truth in the Robertson doesn't want the coaching job how ironic.
Joseph,Brown Rennie all didn't apply last time.
Scmidht it seems doesn't want the HC role due to not wanting to tour.So the NZR might be stuck with Foster to at least the WC 2023.
And it seems they don't want him anymore.
What a clown show, The AB coaching Job we were told once it was the most premier coaching job in World Rugby the most sort after,or is it now seen as a poison chalice.
And no one seems to want it but Foster. Brilliant NZR just Brilliant work. -
For the first time that I can remember the AB coach position has become almost political in nature, akin to a struggling political party and daily speculation of a leadership spill.
Constant speculation of would be candidate(s), timing of spill/departure, public character assassinations, journos thinking they have the inside word, ex-insiders (i.e. players) having their 5 minutes of fame with their opinions, a would be candidate saying nothing, a public scratching their heads thinking “get on with it”, speculation that behind the scenes someone is ‘doing the numbers’ (this time it’s supposedly HR doing dollar numbers).
All the meantime whilst nothing is happening there is brand damage and public discontent.
Meanwhile the team is getting on with
governingplaying footy. -
For the first time that I can remember the AB coach position has become almost political in nature, akin to a struggling political party and daily speculation of a leadership spill.
Constant speculation of would be candidate(s), timing of spill/departure, public character assassinations, journos thinking they have the inside word, ex-insiders (i.e. players) having their 5 minutes of fame with their opinions, a would be candidate saying nothing, a public scratching their heads thinking “get on with it”, speculation that behind the scenes someone is ‘doing the numbers’ (this time it’s supposedly HR doing dollar numbers).
All the meantime whilst nothing is happening there is brand damage and public discontent.
Meanwhile the team is getting on with
governingplaying footy.@ACT-Crusader i think it's the context really
An unpopular appointment made after a process that, publicly, looked a shambles, coming on the back of a disappointing RWC exit. That exit came at the end of a couple of years of, while not bad results, certainly results that were not what many had become accustomed to.
No coach was going to be able to keep up the frankly ridiculous record of the prior decade. The building blocks of that side were gone. The rest of the world was better. But, public expectation had been set (how many 'greatest team in any sport ever" memes have we seen, with the winning record splashed everywhere) and the drop was going hit someone.
Throw in a couple of years of Covid restrictions have made people pretty angry, and a little callous i think too, and it's a delicious cocktail of spite all ready to go.
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For the first time that I can remember the AB coach position has become almost political in nature, akin to a struggling political party and daily speculation of a leadership spill.
Constant speculation of would be candidate(s), timing of spill/departure, public character assassinations, journos thinking they have the inside word, ex-insiders (i.e. players) having their 5 minutes of fame with their opinions, a would be candidate saying nothing, a public scratching their heads thinking “get on with it”, speculation that behind the scenes someone is ‘doing the numbers’ (this time it’s supposedly HR doing dollar numbers).
All the meantime whilst nothing is happening there is brand damage and public discontent.
Meanwhile the team is getting on with
governingplaying footy.@ACT-Crusader and the way NZR have gone about the appointment, extension and then (probable) sacking of Foster is a masterclass in incompetence, poor communication and tactical obfuscation.
People I know are as pissed with NZR as I can remember - the approaches to Aussie Super sides, the arrogance of trying to ram through Silver Lake all make people cross, or worse, disengaged. This has RWC2003 levels of poo-fingering all over it.
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@ACT-Crusader i think it's the context really
An unpopular appointment made after a process that, publicly, looked a shambles, coming on the back of a disappointing RWC exit. That exit came at the end of a couple of years of, while not bad results, certainly results that were not what many had become accustomed to.
No coach was going to be able to keep up the frankly ridiculous record of the prior decade. The building blocks of that side were gone. The rest of the world was better. But, public expectation had been set (how many 'greatest team in any sport ever" memes have we seen, with the winning record splashed everywhere) and the drop was going hit someone.
Throw in a couple of years of Covid restrictions have made people pretty angry, and a little callous i think too, and it's a delicious cocktail of spite all ready to go.
@mariner4life said in Foster:
while not bad results, certainly results that were not what many had become accustomed to.
I think people can handle bad results if the team plays reasonably well and gets beaten by a better side. Seeing shit rugby on the park match after match, and being told we don't understand it's actually good rugby is farking annoying
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For the first time that I can remember the AB coach position has become almost political in nature, akin to a struggling political party and daily speculation of a leadership spill.
Constant speculation of would be candidate(s), timing of spill/departure, public character assassinations, journos thinking they have the inside word, ex-insiders (i.e. players) having their 5 minutes of fame with their opinions, a would be candidate saying nothing, a public scratching their heads thinking “get on with it”, speculation that behind the scenes someone is ‘doing the numbers’ (this time it’s supposedly HR doing dollar numbers).
All the meantime whilst nothing is happening there is brand damage and public discontent.
Meanwhile the team is getting on with
governingplaying footy.
