Springboks v All Blacks 2
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@mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@chimoaus said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@chimoaus said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
owen franks is 34 years old and moves like it. our scrum is not so fucked that we need to chuck absolutely everything out so we get a guy in to move from set piece to set piece.
"oh, we need more from our props around the paddock!"
"i know, lets get Owen Franks back"He was hitting plenty of rucks and carting it up the guts last weekend. Given how royally fucked over we got in the scrums last weekend I would take the 34 year old over what we have at the moment.
we got royally fucked over?
AT got pinged scrum after scrum from my memory. Lomax got pinged first scrum in. I think we got one back but we were going backwards nearly every scrum.
yeah not how i remember it. definitely 2nd best no doubt, but most were pretty secure, and i reckon a couple of rulings were ridiculously harsh, and another ref would have gone a different way.
I think the fact the two starting props were dropped might suggest some issues, or maybe it was breakdown related. The props from NZ were penalised 5 times in the game, not sure how many related to the scrum but at least 3 from memory.
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@chimoaus said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
The props from NZ were penalised 5 times
I highly doubt that's gonna improve by adding Franks, Laulala or Moody though.
@Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@chimoaus said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
The props from NZ were penalised 5 times
I highly doubt that's gonna improve by adding Franks, Laulala or Moody though.
That probably suggests we have a problem with props in NZ at the moment?
The other interesting thing they mentioned was NZ has twice the number of yellow and red cards as their opposition. We bucked the trend last weekend for sure but that is a worry.
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@mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Crazy-Horse said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
So I have gone and booked myself into a hotel with no Sky TV. Any chance this game is on free to air in NZ?
where are you staying, 1992?
A new place in Frankston Queenstown. Amazing they don't have it.
@Crazy-Horse said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Crazy-Horse said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
So I have gone and booked myself into a hotel with no Sky TV. Any chance this game is on free to air in NZ?
where are you staying, 1992?
A new place in Frankston Queenstown. Amazing they don't have it.
They cancelled their subscription about 2019ish…
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@chimoaus said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@chimoaus said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
owen franks is 34 years old and moves like it. our scrum is not so fucked that we need to chuck absolutely everything out so we get a guy in to move from set piece to set piece.
"oh, we need more from our props around the paddock!"
"i know, lets get Owen Franks back"He was hitting plenty of rucks and carting it up the guts last weekend. Given how royally fucked over we got in the scrums last weekend I would take the 34 year old over what we have at the moment.
we got royally fucked over?
AT got pinged scrum after scrum from my memory. Lomax got pinged first scrum in. I think we got one back but we were going backwards nearly every scrum.
yeah not how i remember it. definitely 2nd best no doubt, but most were pretty secure, and i reckon a couple of rulings were ridiculously harsh, and another ref would have gone a different way.
@mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@chimoaus said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@chimoaus said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
owen franks is 34 years old and moves like it. our scrum is not so fucked that we need to chuck absolutely everything out so we get a guy in to move from set piece to set piece.
"oh, we need more from our props around the paddock!"
"i know, lets get Owen Franks back"He was hitting plenty of rucks and carting it up the guts last weekend. Given how royally fucked over we got in the scrums last weekend I would take the 34 year old over what we have at the moment.
we got royally fucked over?
AT got pinged scrum after scrum from my memory. Lomax got pinged first scrum in. I think we got one back but we were going backwards nearly every scrum.
yeah not how i remember it. definitely 2nd best no doubt, but most were pretty secure, and i reckon a couple of rulings were ridiculously harsh, and another ref would have gone a different way.
There was at least one (maybe two) where the Boks replacement hooker got popped and his head was up whilst the ball was still in. No penalty awarded.
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@Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@chimoaus said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
The props from NZ were penalised 5 times
I highly doubt that's gonna improve by adding Franks, Laulala or Moody though.
That probably suggests we have a problem with props in NZ at the moment?
The other interesting thing they mentioned was NZ has twice the number of yellow and red cards as their opposition. We bucked the trend last weekend for sure but that is a worry.
@chimoaus said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
That probably suggests we have a problem with props in NZ at the moment?
Yeah because we got hung up on guys who were "scrum god's", despite them just being good at holding up their side on their own ball and not a lot else.
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So I have gone and booked myself into a hotel with no Sky TV. Any chance this game is on free to air in NZ?
@Crazy-Horse said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
So I have gone and booked myself into a hotel with no Sky TV. Any chance this game is on free to air in NZ?
Sign up to Sky Sport Now which is a streaming service and you will get a 7 day free trial.
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So I have gone and booked myself into a hotel with no Sky TV. Any chance this game is on free to air in NZ?
@Crazy-Horse said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
So I have gone and booked myself into a hotel with no Sky TV. Any chance this game is on free to air in NZ?
Just watch in house movies. It will be more satisfying
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@Crazy-Horse said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
So I have gone and booked myself into a hotel with no Sky TV. Any chance this game is on free to air in NZ?
Sign up to Sky Sport Now which is a streaming service and you will get a 7 day free trial.
@akan004 said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Crazy-Horse said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
So I have gone and booked myself into a hotel with no Sky TV. Any chance this game is on free to air in NZ?
Sign up to Sky Sport Now which is a streaming service and you will get a 7 day free trial.
He can't get it on his Nokia 3310
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@akan004 said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Crazy-Horse said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
So I have gone and booked myself into a hotel with no Sky TV. Any chance this game is on free to air in NZ?
Sign up to Sky Sport Now which is a streaming service and you will get a 7 day free trial.
He can't get it on his Nokia 3310
@canefan said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@akan004 said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Crazy-Horse said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
So I have gone and booked myself into a hotel with no Sky TV. Any chance this game is on free to air in NZ?
Sign up to Sky Sport Now which is a streaming service and you will get a 7 day free trial.
He can't get it on his Nokia 3310
That was a great phone. Had the 5110 and then upgraded to the 3310.
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@Steve said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Scathing analysis but most of it on the money to be fair.
A lot to agree with. Especially the point about AB forwards not being test match tough.
However, they sound like AB fans pre-2007. "We have amazing depth", "we're not peaking because of competition for places". There is a fine line between confidence and arrogance
Boks play test match rugby, but they are not as good as these guys think they are. I'm not talking about their conservative playing style, but the fact that the Boks struggle when they go behind on the scoreboard and play against teams that don't make mistakes. They struggle to create opportunities that aren't as a result of mistakes. That's where their game needs to evolve. If Boks can, then they can become a great team, rather than just a 70% winning team that they currently are.
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@Billy-Tell said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
I’ve been watching the ABs since 87. This is the very first time I have us as firm underdogs.
The selecting is hopeless at the moment. We keep making changes on the fringes, liking dropping Reece or rotating props, and refuse to make the calls that matter.
Its also the very first time I almost hope we lose, so this nightmare can be over.
I finally know how Australian supporters have been feeling for the last 20 years.
@chimoaus said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Billy-Tell said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
I’ve been watching the ABs since 87. This is the very first time I have us as firm underdogs.
The selecting is hopeless at the moment. We keep making changes on the fringes, liking dropping Reece or rotating props, and refuse to make the calls that matter.
Its also the very first time I almost hope we lose, so this nightmare can be over.
I finally know how Australian supporters have been feeling for the last 20 years.
And Welsh
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owen franks is 34 years old and moves like it. our scrum is not so fucked that we need to chuck absolutely everything out so we get a guy in to move from set piece to set piece.
"oh, we need more from our props around the paddock!"
"i know, lets get Owen Franks back"@mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
owen franks is 34 years old and moves like it. our scrum is not so fucked that we need to chuck absolutely everything out so we get a guy in to move from set piece to set piece.
"oh, we need more from our props around the paddock!"
"i know, lets get Owen Franks back"Not what I said.
He'll anchor a more solid scrum with less penalties against him, hit rucks and not tackle with his head.
Better than some of our current props.
He won't make many metres, break the line, do a fancy offload or score.
Just like our current props.I'm only suggesting him for 40-50 minutes against the Boks. Not Australia or England.
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@chimoaus said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Billy-Tell said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
I’ve been watching the ABs since 87. This is the very first time I have us as firm underdogs.
The selecting is hopeless at the moment. We keep making changes on the fringes, liking dropping Reece or rotating props, and refuse to make the calls that matter.
Its also the very first time I almost hope we lose, so this nightmare can be over.
I finally know how Australian supporters have been feeling for the last 20 years.
And Welsh
@MiketheSnow said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@chimoaus said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Billy-Tell said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
I’ve been watching the ABs since 87. This is the very first time I have us as firm underdogs.
The selecting is hopeless at the moment. We keep making changes on the fringes, liking dropping Reece or rotating props, and refuse to make the calls that matter.
Its also the very first time I almost hope we lose, so this nightmare can be over.
I finally know how Australian supporters have been feeling for the last 20 years.
And Welsh
Instant Life of Brian laughs
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@chimoaus said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Billy-Tell said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
I’ve been watching the ABs since 87. This is the very first time I have us as firm underdogs.
The selecting is hopeless at the moment. We keep making changes on the fringes, liking dropping Reece or rotating props, and refuse to make the calls that matter.
Its also the very first time I almost hope we lose, so this nightmare can be over.
I finally know how Australian supporters have been feeling for the last 20 years.
And Welsh
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loved the quote about the Allblacks having 8 forwards told to express themselves and players with nice boots, nice haircuts and nice tattoos.
We have come a long way from Hayman, Brad Thorn, the Franks brothers et al.
"Head down, arse up" rugby players.
We have a load of sunshine boys in the team.
@Steve said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
loved the quote about the Allblacks having 8 forwards told to express themselves and players with nice boots, nice haircuts and nice tattoos.
We have come a long way from Hayman, Brad Thorn, the Franks brothers et al.
"Head down, arse up" rugby players.
We have a load of sunshine boys in the team.
I saw this quote, scrolled up and knew it was @Steve before I even got there !
What’s a “sunshine boy?”
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@Steve said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
loved the quote about the Allblacks having 8 forwards told to express themselves and players with nice boots, nice haircuts and nice tattoos.
We have come a long way from Hayman, Brad Thorn, the Franks brothers et al.
"Head down, arse up" rugby players.
We have a load of sunshine boys in the team.
I saw this quote, scrolled up and knew it was @Steve before I even got there !
What’s a “sunshine boy?”
just a bunch of soft lads who don't like it when it s cold and wet. don't like the graft. flat track bullies who only come out to play when its a nice day. lads who are too nice. sea gulling out on the wings. ruck inspectors.
they score the 9th try in a 60 point drubbing but are nowhere to be seen in a close game.
those kind of lads.
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@Steve said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Scathing analysis but most of it on the money to be fair.
A lot to agree with. Especially the point about AB forwards not being test match tough.
However, they sound like AB fans pre-2007. "We have amazing depth", "we're not peaking because of competition for places". There is a fine line between confidence and arrogance
Boks play test match rugby, but they are not as good as these guys think they are. I'm not talking about their conservative playing style, but the fact that the Boks struggle when they go behind on the scoreboard and play against teams that don't make mistakes. They struggle to create opportunities that aren't as a result of mistakes. That's where their game needs to evolve. If Boks can, then they can become a great team, rather than just a 70% winning team that they currently are.
@stodders said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Steve said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Scathing analysis but most of it on the money to be fair.
A lot to agree with. Especially the point about AB forwards not being test match tough.
However, they sound like AB fans pre-2007. "We have amazing depth", "we're not peaking because of competition for places". There is a fine line between confidence and arrogance
Boks play test match rugby, but they are not as good as these guys think they are. I'm not talking about their conservative playing style, but the fact that the Boks struggle when they go behind on the scoreboard and play against teams that don't make mistakes. They struggle to create opportunities that aren't as a result of mistakes. That's where their game needs to evolve. If Boks can, then they can become a great team, rather than just a 70% winning team that they currently are.
Whatever about what they make of themselves, I agree with what they make of us.
It was on point.
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@mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@chimoaus said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@chimoaus said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
owen franks is 34 years old and moves like it. our scrum is not so fucked that we need to chuck absolutely everything out so we get a guy in to move from set piece to set piece.
"oh, we need more from our props around the paddock!"
"i know, lets get Owen Franks back"He was hitting plenty of rucks and carting it up the guts last weekend. Given how royally fucked over we got in the scrums last weekend I would take the 34 year old over what we have at the moment.
we got royally fucked over?
AT got pinged scrum after scrum from my memory. Lomax got pinged first scrum in. I think we got one back but we were going backwards nearly every scrum.
yeah not how i remember it. definitely 2nd best no doubt, but most were pretty secure, and i reckon a couple of rulings were ridiculously harsh, and another ref would have gone a different way.
I think the fact the two starting props were dropped might suggest some issues, or maybe it was breakdown related. The props from NZ were penalised 5 times in the game, not sure how many related to the scrum but at least 3 from memory.
@chimoaus said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@chimoaus said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@chimoaus said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
owen franks is 34 years old and moves like it. our scrum is not so fucked that we need to chuck absolutely everything out so we get a guy in to move from set piece to set piece.
"oh, we need more from our props around the paddock!"
"i know, lets get Owen Franks back"He was hitting plenty of rucks and carting it up the guts last weekend. Given how royally fucked over we got in the scrums last weekend I would take the 34 year old over what we have at the moment.
we got royally fucked over?
AT got pinged scrum after scrum from my memory. Lomax got pinged first scrum in. I think we got one back but we were going backwards nearly every scrum.
yeah not how i remember it. definitely 2nd best no doubt, but most were pretty secure, and i reckon a couple of rulings were ridiculously harsh, and another ref would have gone a different way.
I think the fact the two starting props were dropped might suggest some issues, or maybe it was breakdown related. The props from NZ were penalised 5 times in the game, not sure how many related to the scrum but at least 3 from memory.
Lomax and Bower were penalised once each. Bower put knee down, which AR pointed out to Angus. Lomax and Ta'avao caught once each (former at first scrum) where they straightened their legs too much and Bok props pulled back and they fell to ground. Think there was one other penalty against AT.
Against that, Nyanke got penalised for knee on ground after AT had got nudge, Bower got nudge on Frans once, and replacement front row had better of Bomb Squad in last 20, which even Boks acknowledged: 'didn't get the dominance we were looking for'.
So honours for Bok starters and AB bench.
I personally wouldn't have promoted Lomax, but not seeing what happens in practice.
I expect AB bench to be on top this time. Starters will depend a lot on replacement hooker.
