Springboks v All Blacks 2
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I’ve been watching the ABs since 87. This is the very first time I have us as firm underdogs.
The selecting is hopeless at the moment. We keep making changes on the fringes, liking dropping Reece or rotating props, and refuse to make the calls that matter.
Its also the very first time I almost hope we lose, so this nightmare can be over.
@Billy-Tell yeah I realized that the last 2 weeks is the first time I've ever posted in a pick the score thread that we'll lose. And I had no second thoughts either! Suck times.
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@mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
owen franks is 34 years old and moves like it. our scrum is not so fucked that we need to chuck absolutely everything out so we get a guy in to move from set piece to set piece.
"oh, we need more from our props around the paddock!"
"i know, lets get Owen Franks back"He was hitting plenty of rucks and carting it up the guts last weekend. Given how royally fucked over we got in the scrums last weekend I would take the 34 year old over what we have at the moment.
@chimoaus said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
owen franks is 34 years old and moves like it. our scrum is not so fucked that we need to chuck absolutely everything out so we get a guy in to move from set piece to set piece.
"oh, we need more from our props around the paddock!"
"i know, lets get Owen Franks back"He was hitting plenty of rucks and carting it up the guts last weekend. Given how royally fucked over we got in the scrums last weekend I would take the 34 year old over what we have at the moment.
we got royally fucked over?
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@chimoaus said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
owen franks is 34 years old and moves like it. our scrum is not so fucked that we need to chuck absolutely everything out so we get a guy in to move from set piece to set piece.
"oh, we need more from our props around the paddock!"
"i know, lets get Owen Franks back"He was hitting plenty of rucks and carting it up the guts last weekend. Given how royally fucked over we got in the scrums last weekend I would take the 34 year old over what we have at the moment.
we got royally fucked over?
@mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@chimoaus said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
owen franks is 34 years old and moves like it. our scrum is not so fucked that we need to chuck absolutely everything out so we get a guy in to move from set piece to set piece.
"oh, we need more from our props around the paddock!"
"i know, lets get Owen Franks back"He was hitting plenty of rucks and carting it up the guts last weekend. Given how royally fucked over we got in the scrums last weekend I would take the 34 year old over what we have at the moment.
we got royally fucked over?
AT got pinged scrum after scrum from my memory. Lomax got pinged first scrum in. I think we got one back but we were going backwards nearly every scrum.
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@mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@chimoaus said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
owen franks is 34 years old and moves like it. our scrum is not so fucked that we need to chuck absolutely everything out so we get a guy in to move from set piece to set piece.
"oh, we need more from our props around the paddock!"
"i know, lets get Owen Franks back"He was hitting plenty of rucks and carting it up the guts last weekend. Given how royally fucked over we got in the scrums last weekend I would take the 34 year old over what we have at the moment.
we got royally fucked over?
AT got pinged scrum after scrum from my memory. Lomax got pinged first scrum in. I think we got one back but we were going backwards nearly every scrum.
@chimoaus said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@chimoaus said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
owen franks is 34 years old and moves like it. our scrum is not so fucked that we need to chuck absolutely everything out so we get a guy in to move from set piece to set piece.
"oh, we need more from our props around the paddock!"
"i know, lets get Owen Franks back"He was hitting plenty of rucks and carting it up the guts last weekend. Given how royally fucked over we got in the scrums last weekend I would take the 34 year old over what we have at the moment.
we got royally fucked over?
AT got pinged scrum after scrum from my memory. Lomax got pinged first scrum in. I think we got one back but we were going backwards nearly every scrum.
yeah not how i remember it. definitely 2nd best no doubt, but most were pretty secure, and i reckon a couple of rulings were ridiculously harsh, and another ref would have gone a different way.
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@chimoaus said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@chimoaus said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
owen franks is 34 years old and moves like it. our scrum is not so fucked that we need to chuck absolutely everything out so we get a guy in to move from set piece to set piece.
"oh, we need more from our props around the paddock!"
"i know, lets get Owen Franks back"He was hitting plenty of rucks and carting it up the guts last weekend. Given how royally fucked over we got in the scrums last weekend I would take the 34 year old over what we have at the moment.
we got royally fucked over?
AT got pinged scrum after scrum from my memory. Lomax got pinged first scrum in. I think we got one back but we were going backwards nearly every scrum.
yeah not how i remember it. definitely 2nd best no doubt, but most were pretty secure, and i reckon a couple of rulings were ridiculously harsh, and another ref would have gone a different way.
@mariner4life ima say it again, but one penalty was for knee on the ground and walking around. Sorry Gus, but pick one - combining those two makes me think you're making it up. If you're on your knee, you're not going to be fucking walking around.
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@mariner4life ima say it again, but one penalty was for knee on the ground and walking around. Sorry Gus, but pick one - combining those two makes me think you're making it up. If you're on your knee, you're not going to be fucking walking around.
@Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@mariner4life ima say it again, but one penalty was for knee on the ground and walking around. Sorry Gus, but pick one - combining those two makes me think you're making it up. If you're on your knee, you're not going to be fucking walking around.
the knee was on the ground. it's a shit penalty, but it's a penalty.
then he got back up and walked around, so what do you want, 2 penalties? You're right in that the 2nd one is irrelevant. -
owen franks is 34 years old and moves like it. our scrum is not so fucked that we need to chuck absolutely everything out so we get a guy in to move from set piece to set piece.
"oh, we need more from our props around the paddock!"
"i know, lets get Owen Franks back"@mariner4life yeah the scrum isnt the attacking platform it used to be, I think if you can hold your seide up and not concede penalties, but do the business around the park, you are much more valuable...not to mention, if you dont make so many errors you give the opposition less scrum feeds too.
Last match SA had 10 scrum feeds, we had 5, and were 32 lineouts (16 each) so to pick someone who is there solely to be a good scrummager, especially when they offer so little around the park seems a bit silly (although I guess if you look at some of the numbers of our props in recent matches, maybe not...)
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@Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@mariner4life ima say it again, but one penalty was for knee on the ground and walking around. Sorry Gus, but pick one - combining those two makes me think you're making it up. If you're on your knee, you're not going to be fucking walking around.
the knee was on the ground. it's a shit penalty, but it's a penalty.
then he got back up and walked around, so what do you want, 2 penalties? You're right in that the 2nd one is irrelevant.@reprobate said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@mariner4life ima say it again, but one penalty was for knee on the ground and walking around. Sorry Gus, but pick one - combining those two makes me think you're making it up. If you're on your knee, you're not going to be fucking walking around.
the knee was on the ground. it's a shit penalty, but it's a penalty.
then he got back up and walked around, so what do you want, 2 penalties? You're right in that the 2nd one is irrelevant.Prexactly! So why is the second one even mentioned? Because the ref is being overly officious one way?
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@chimoaus said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@chimoaus said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
owen franks is 34 years old and moves like it. our scrum is not so fucked that we need to chuck absolutely everything out so we get a guy in to move from set piece to set piece.
"oh, we need more from our props around the paddock!"
"i know, lets get Owen Franks back"He was hitting plenty of rucks and carting it up the guts last weekend. Given how royally fucked over we got in the scrums last weekend I would take the 34 year old over what we have at the moment.
we got royally fucked over?
AT got pinged scrum after scrum from my memory. Lomax got pinged first scrum in. I think we got one back but we were going backwards nearly every scrum.
yeah not how i remember it. definitely 2nd best no doubt, but most were pretty secure, and i reckon a couple of rulings were ridiculously harsh, and another ref would have gone a different way.
@mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@chimoaus said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@chimoaus said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
owen franks is 34 years old and moves like it. our scrum is not so fucked that we need to chuck absolutely everything out so we get a guy in to move from set piece to set piece.
"oh, we need more from our props around the paddock!"
"i know, lets get Owen Franks back"He was hitting plenty of rucks and carting it up the guts last weekend. Given how royally fucked over we got in the scrums last weekend I would take the 34 year old over what we have at the moment.
we got royally fucked over?
AT got pinged scrum after scrum from my memory. Lomax got pinged first scrum in. I think we got one back but we were going backwards nearly every scrum.
yeah not how i remember it. definitely 2nd best no doubt, but most were pretty secure, and i reckon a couple of rulings were ridiculously harsh, and another ref would have gone a different way.
I think the fact the two starting props were dropped might suggest some issues, or maybe it was breakdown related. The props from NZ were penalised 5 times in the game, not sure how many related to the scrum but at least 3 from memory.
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@mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@chimoaus said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@chimoaus said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
owen franks is 34 years old and moves like it. our scrum is not so fucked that we need to chuck absolutely everything out so we get a guy in to move from set piece to set piece.
"oh, we need more from our props around the paddock!"
"i know, lets get Owen Franks back"He was hitting plenty of rucks and carting it up the guts last weekend. Given how royally fucked over we got in the scrums last weekend I would take the 34 year old over what we have at the moment.
we got royally fucked over?
AT got pinged scrum after scrum from my memory. Lomax got pinged first scrum in. I think we got one back but we were going backwards nearly every scrum.
yeah not how i remember it. definitely 2nd best no doubt, but most were pretty secure, and i reckon a couple of rulings were ridiculously harsh, and another ref would have gone a different way.
I think the fact the two starting props were dropped might suggest some issues, or maybe it was breakdown related. The props from NZ were penalised 5 times in the game, not sure how many related to the scrum but at least 3 from memory.
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@chimoaus said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
The props from NZ were penalised 5 times
I highly doubt that's gonna improve by adding Franks, Laulala or Moody though.
@Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@chimoaus said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
The props from NZ were penalised 5 times
I highly doubt that's gonna improve by adding Franks, Laulala or Moody though.
That probably suggests we have a problem with props in NZ at the moment?
The other interesting thing they mentioned was NZ has twice the number of yellow and red cards as their opposition. We bucked the trend last weekend for sure but that is a worry.
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@mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Crazy-Horse said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
So I have gone and booked myself into a hotel with no Sky TV. Any chance this game is on free to air in NZ?
where are you staying, 1992?
A new place in Frankston Queenstown. Amazing they don't have it.
@Crazy-Horse said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Crazy-Horse said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
So I have gone and booked myself into a hotel with no Sky TV. Any chance this game is on free to air in NZ?
where are you staying, 1992?
A new place in Frankston Queenstown. Amazing they don't have it.
They cancelled their subscription about 2019ish…
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@chimoaus said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@chimoaus said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
owen franks is 34 years old and moves like it. our scrum is not so fucked that we need to chuck absolutely everything out so we get a guy in to move from set piece to set piece.
"oh, we need more from our props around the paddock!"
"i know, lets get Owen Franks back"He was hitting plenty of rucks and carting it up the guts last weekend. Given how royally fucked over we got in the scrums last weekend I would take the 34 year old over what we have at the moment.
we got royally fucked over?
AT got pinged scrum after scrum from my memory. Lomax got pinged first scrum in. I think we got one back but we were going backwards nearly every scrum.
yeah not how i remember it. definitely 2nd best no doubt, but most were pretty secure, and i reckon a couple of rulings were ridiculously harsh, and another ref would have gone a different way.
@mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@chimoaus said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@chimoaus said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
owen franks is 34 years old and moves like it. our scrum is not so fucked that we need to chuck absolutely everything out so we get a guy in to move from set piece to set piece.
"oh, we need more from our props around the paddock!"
"i know, lets get Owen Franks back"He was hitting plenty of rucks and carting it up the guts last weekend. Given how royally fucked over we got in the scrums last weekend I would take the 34 year old over what we have at the moment.
we got royally fucked over?
AT got pinged scrum after scrum from my memory. Lomax got pinged first scrum in. I think we got one back but we were going backwards nearly every scrum.
yeah not how i remember it. definitely 2nd best no doubt, but most were pretty secure, and i reckon a couple of rulings were ridiculously harsh, and another ref would have gone a different way.
There was at least one (maybe two) where the Boks replacement hooker got popped and his head was up whilst the ball was still in. No penalty awarded.
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@Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@chimoaus said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
The props from NZ were penalised 5 times
I highly doubt that's gonna improve by adding Franks, Laulala or Moody though.
That probably suggests we have a problem with props in NZ at the moment?
The other interesting thing they mentioned was NZ has twice the number of yellow and red cards as their opposition. We bucked the trend last weekend for sure but that is a worry.
@chimoaus said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
That probably suggests we have a problem with props in NZ at the moment?
Yeah because we got hung up on guys who were "scrum god's", despite them just being good at holding up their side on their own ball and not a lot else.
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So I have gone and booked myself into a hotel with no Sky TV. Any chance this game is on free to air in NZ?
@Crazy-Horse said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
So I have gone and booked myself into a hotel with no Sky TV. Any chance this game is on free to air in NZ?
Sign up to Sky Sport Now which is a streaming service and you will get a 7 day free trial.
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So I have gone and booked myself into a hotel with no Sky TV. Any chance this game is on free to air in NZ?
@Crazy-Horse said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
So I have gone and booked myself into a hotel with no Sky TV. Any chance this game is on free to air in NZ?
Just watch in house movies. It will be more satisfying
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@Crazy-Horse said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
So I have gone and booked myself into a hotel with no Sky TV. Any chance this game is on free to air in NZ?
Sign up to Sky Sport Now which is a streaming service and you will get a 7 day free trial.
@akan004 said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Crazy-Horse said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
So I have gone and booked myself into a hotel with no Sky TV. Any chance this game is on free to air in NZ?
Sign up to Sky Sport Now which is a streaming service and you will get a 7 day free trial.
He can't get it on his Nokia 3310
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@akan004 said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Crazy-Horse said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
So I have gone and booked myself into a hotel with no Sky TV. Any chance this game is on free to air in NZ?
Sign up to Sky Sport Now which is a streaming service and you will get a 7 day free trial.
He can't get it on his Nokia 3310
@canefan said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@akan004 said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Crazy-Horse said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
So I have gone and booked myself into a hotel with no Sky TV. Any chance this game is on free to air in NZ?
Sign up to Sky Sport Now which is a streaming service and you will get a 7 day free trial.
He can't get it on his Nokia 3310
That was a great phone. Had the 5110 and then upgraded to the 3310.
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@Steve said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Scathing analysis but most of it on the money to be fair.
A lot to agree with. Especially the point about AB forwards not being test match tough.
However, they sound like AB fans pre-2007. "We have amazing depth", "we're not peaking because of competition for places". There is a fine line between confidence and arrogance
Boks play test match rugby, but they are not as good as these guys think they are. I'm not talking about their conservative playing style, but the fact that the Boks struggle when they go behind on the scoreboard and play against teams that don't make mistakes. They struggle to create opportunities that aren't as a result of mistakes. That's where their game needs to evolve. If Boks can, then they can become a great team, rather than just a 70% winning team that they currently are.
