Springboks v All Blacks 2
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Like others on here I thought Frizell had a pretty good game, perhaps his best in black. He has put in some bloody big shifts against the Saders so I can see why they keep going back to him. Hopefully he can build on this effort.
I hate to say it because I really want the guy to succeed, but it was noticeable when Akira came on and took the ball flat footed a couple of times.
@Crazy-Horse Yeah he did. He still managed to get over the advantage line to be fair, but yes, hopefully we see him charging onto the ball in future tests.
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@Old-Samurai-Jack said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
I'll repeat, ONE of Foster's problems is his ultra-conservative selections.
As I said, Jordie at wing?
Two examples, big Karl and Pat T. Two opportunities to blood young fellas but went back to 2019.
He brought both Va'ai & Josh Lord into the team. Pat T was picked as both of those two were injured or unavailable due to Covid and he reasonably wanted someone with AB experience.
@Victor-Meldrew said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
I'll repeat, ONE of Foster's problems is his ultra-conservative selections.
As I said, Jordie at wing?
Two examples, big Karl and Pat T. Two opportunities to blood young fellas but went back to 2019.
He brought both Va'ai & Josh Lord into the team. Pat T was picked as both of those two were injured or unavailable due to Covid and he reasonably wanted someone with AB experience.
Ultra-conservative and stupid selections. Foster has that sort of dramatic range. If indeed he is doing the selections.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
I'll repeat, ONE of Foster's problems is his ultra-conservative selections.
As I said, Jordie at wing?
Two examples, big Karl and Pat T. Two opportunities to blood young fellas but went back to 2019.
He brought both Va'ai & Josh Lord into the team. Pat T was picked as both of those two were injured or unavailable due to Covid and he reasonably wanted someone with AB experience.
Ultra-conservative and stupid selections. Foster has that sort of dramatic range. If indeed he is doing the selections.
I have only had time to watch the first half so far and can I say our locks were outstanding. SB keeps worrying he has done something stupid and turns to the ref (a fantastic communicator btw) and it is funny to watch, but his energy and frustrating Bok ball was great, and Sam W did some great subtle rips and turnovers.
Sami T now cemented as my fave player especially that slow mo homage to the hippos in tutus in Fantasia's swan lake scene-the slow mo of him spinning and bouncing on his generously sized derriere to get that try is gloriously entertaining. It's all about the bass! Great joints on him too, probably would make a fine powerlifter. -
@Victor-Meldrew said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
I'll repeat, ONE of Foster's problems is his ultra-conservative selections.
As I said, Jordie at wing?
Two examples, big Karl and Pat T. Two opportunities to blood young fellas but went back to 2019.
He brought both Va'ai & Josh Lord into the team. Pat T was picked as both of those two were injured or unavailable due to Covid and he reasonably wanted someone with AB experience.
Ultra-conservative and stupid selections. Foster has that sort of dramatic range. If indeed he is doing the selections.
@nostrildamus said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
I'll repeat, ONE of Foster's problems is his ultra-conservative selections.
As I said, Jordie at wing?
Two examples, big Karl and Pat T. Two opportunities to blood young fellas but went back to 2019.
He brought both Va'ai & Josh Lord into the team. Pat T was picked as both of those two were injured or unavailable due to Covid and he reasonably wanted someone with AB experience.
Ultra-conservative and stupid selections. Foster has that sort of dramatic range. If indeed he is doing the selections.
Well, either Foster makes all the selections or he doesn't. If it's the former he takes the can for the bad selections and the kudos for the good ones (like last night). If it's the latter then the stupid selections aren't all down to him.
Which do you think it is?
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@nostrildamus said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
I'll repeat, ONE of Foster's problems is his ultra-conservative selections.
As I said, Jordie at wing?
Two examples, big Karl and Pat T. Two opportunities to blood young fellas but went back to 2019.
He brought both Va'ai & Josh Lord into the team. Pat T was picked as both of those two were injured or unavailable due to Covid and he reasonably wanted someone with AB experience.
Ultra-conservative and stupid selections. Foster has that sort of dramatic range. If indeed he is doing the selections.
Well, either Foster makes all the selections or he doesn't. If it's the former he takes the can for the bad selections and the kudos for the good ones (like last night). If it's the latter then the stupid selections aren't all down to him.
Which do you think it is?
@Victor-Meldrew said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@nostrildamus said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
I'll repeat, ONE of Foster's problems is his ultra-conservative selections.
As I said, Jordie at wing?
Two examples, big Karl and Pat T. Two opportunities to blood young fellas but went back to 2019.
He brought both Va'ai & Josh Lord into the team. Pat T was picked as both of those two were injured or unavailable due to Covid and he reasonably wanted someone with AB experience.
Ultra-conservative and stupid selections. Foster has that sort of dramatic range. If indeed he is doing the selections.
1 Well, either Foster makes all the selections or he doesn't.
2 If it's the former he takes the can for the bad selections and the kudos for the good ones (like last night).
3 If it's the latter then the stupid selections aren't all down to him.
4 Which do you think it is?1 Either/or is not logically necessary, He could be primarily responsible for some of them or some could be team decisions or forced on him.
2 So this doesn't apply. What would be stronger from you would be to say it is unfair to blame him for the bad and not compliment him for the good (especially if we don't know who is responsible for specific selections)
3 Somebody could perhaps go back and match his I comments (I chose/I selected) with stupid/inspired selections...SF seems to be a Foster choice, then again SF played well mostly, this last game.What I can say with some evidence is that the coaching team Foster selected (and seemed very proud of) doesn't seem as strong as the one now. And that doesn't seem to be Foster's preferred choice (but now this is conjecture).
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Forwards were a massive step up. But our scrum was still poor - are the locks not great? Felt like we conceded so many scrum penalties - particulary at the end - and the Bokke just piggypacked over tha tall the way downfield.
Scrum penalties have been a headache for us all year. Not many scrums in the game, but we struggled -- this has to be one of the major workons.
The thing that was awesome was seeing effective cleaners at the ruck. God knows what happened last week - but this week there were players ready to protect the ball, and ball carriers puttin gthe ball back on our side (not tucked into their body).
RM was mixed. Showed some of the qualities he's got, but also some of the downsides (particualrly carrying into big boys in traffic). Anyone see BB's distance at altitude in the kicking too - playing in Joberg is a bit crazy.
Huge result, really impressed. Still think Foster should go, because of the body of work over the last 3 years ... but we could have him to the RWC.
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Forwards were a massive step up. But our scrum was still poor - are the locks not great? Felt like we conceded so many scrum penalties - particulary at the end - and the Bokke just piggypacked over tha tall the way downfield.
Scrum penalties have been a headache for us all year. Not many scrums in the game, but we struggled -- this has to be one of the major workons.
The thing that was awesome was seeing effective cleaners at the ruck. God knows what happened last week - but this week there were players ready to protect the ball, and ball carriers puttin gthe ball back on our side (not tucked into their body).
RM was mixed. Showed some of the qualities he's got, but also some of the downsides (particualrly carrying into big boys in traffic). Anyone see BB's distance at altitude in the kicking too - playing in Joberg is a bit crazy.
Huge result, really impressed. Still think Foster should go, because of the body of work over the last 3 years ... but we could have him to the RWC.
@nzzp said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Forwards were a massive step up. But our scrum was still poor - are the locks not great? Felt like we conceded so many scrum penalties - particulary at the end - and the Bokke just piggypacked over tha tall the way downfield.
Scrum penalties have been a headache for us all year. Not many scrums in the game, but we struggled -- this has to be one of the major workons.
The thing that was awesome was seeing effective cleaners at the ruck. God knows what happened last week - but this week there were players ready to protect the ball, and ball carriers puttin gthe ball back on our side (not tucked into their body).
RM was mixed. Showed some of the qualities he's got, but also some of the downsides (particualrly carrying into big boys in traffic). Anyone see BB's distance at altitude in the kicking too - playing in Joberg is a bit crazy.
Huge result, really impressed. Still think Foster should go, because of the body of work over the last 3 years ... but we could have him to the RWC.
For me, the forwards came from better depth so we're able to assess whether to clean or to look for the offload. They also didn't go too far wide away from their support. Simple change that was very effective. It forced the Boks to commit more players to the breakdown to try to slow the ball down, which made space out wide to attack.
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@nzzp said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Forwards were a massive step up. But our scrum was still poor - are the locks not great? Felt like we conceded so many scrum penalties - particulary at the end - and the Bokke just piggypacked over tha tall the way downfield.
Scrum penalties have been a headache for us all year. Not many scrums in the game, but we struggled -- this has to be one of the major workons.
The thing that was awesome was seeing effective cleaners at the ruck. God knows what happened last week - but this week there were players ready to protect the ball, and ball carriers puttin gthe ball back on our side (not tucked into their body).
RM was mixed. Showed some of the qualities he's got, but also some of the downsides (particualrly carrying into big boys in traffic). Anyone see BB's distance at altitude in the kicking too - playing in Joberg is a bit crazy.
Huge result, really impressed. Still think Foster should go, because of the body of work over the last 3 years ... but we could have him to the RWC.
For me, the forwards came from better depth so we're able to assess whether to clean or to look for the offload. They also didn't go too far wide away from their support. Simple change that was very effective. It forced the Boks to commit more players to the breakdown to try to slow the ball down, which made space out wide to attack.
@stodders said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@nzzp said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Forwards were a massive step up. But our scrum was still poor - are the locks not great? Felt like we conceded so many scrum penalties - particulary at the end - and the Bokke just piggypacked over tha tall the way downfield.
Scrum penalties have been a headache for us all year. Not many scrums in the game, but we struggled -- this has to be one of the major workons.
The thing that was awesome was seeing effective cleaners at the ruck. God knows what happened last week - but this week there were players ready to protect the ball, and ball carriers puttin gthe ball back on our side (not tucked into their body).
RM was mixed. Showed some of the qualities he's got, but also some of the downsides (particualrly carrying into big boys in traffic). Anyone see BB's distance at altitude in the kicking too - playing in Joberg is a bit crazy.
Huge result, really impressed. Still think Foster should go, because of the body of work over the last 3 years ... but we could have him to the RWC.
For me, the forwards came from better depth so we're able to assess whether to clean or to look for the offload. They also didn't go too far wide away from their support. Simple change that was very effective. It forced the Boks to commit more players to the breakdown to try to slow the ball down, which made space out wide to attack.
Forwards trying to play with more width early has killed us more often than not since the 2019 game vs England. Nice to see us play a little narrower
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The Breakdown panel are basically ripping Robinson and the rest of the board for their lack of clarity over Foster's future, and their incompetence over club rugby, 7s, the BFs, and Silverlake. I don't disagree with them. Foster may not be the man for the job. But the pressure Robinson has put him under with all of his nothing talk, and the promise of 3 reviews within 9 months including 2 in a couple of months, the CEO should have the stones to fire him or back him
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@nostrildamus said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
I'll repeat, ONE of Foster's problems is his ultra-conservative selections.
As I said, Jordie at wing?
Two examples, big Karl and Pat T. Two opportunities to blood young fellas but went back to 2019.
He brought both Va'ai & Josh Lord into the team. Pat T was picked as both of those two were injured or unavailable due to Covid and he reasonably wanted someone with AB experience.
Ultra-conservative and stupid selections. Foster has that sort of dramatic range. If indeed he is doing the selections.
1 Well, either Foster makes all the selections or he doesn't.
2 If it's the former he takes the can for the bad selections and the kudos for the good ones (like last night).
3 If it's the latter then the stupid selections aren't all down to him.
4 Which do you think it is?1 Either/or is not logically necessary, He could be primarily responsible for some of them or some could be team decisions or forced on him.
2 So this doesn't apply. What would be stronger from you would be to say it is unfair to blame him for the bad and not compliment him for the good (especially if we don't know who is responsible for specific selections)
3 Somebody could perhaps go back and match his I comments (I chose/I selected) with stupid/inspired selections...SF seems to be a Foster choice, then again SF played well mostly, this last game.What I can say with some evidence is that the coaching team Foster selected (and seemed very proud of) doesn't seem as strong as the one now. And that doesn't seem to be Foster's preferred choice (but now this is conjecture).
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@Frank said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Did Foster select Jason Ryan as his new forwards coach or was it forced on him?
I don't think it matters as long as the improvement continues. Loads of work to do from what we saw last night and I'm still not convinced Cane is back to his best. Thought Akira was good as a sub and added some real impact when needed/
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@Tim said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Can you guys take this to the "Foster" thread, and stop stinking up the match thread, please?
Fair point
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Forwards were a massive step up. But our scrum was still poor - are the locks not great? Felt like we conceded so many scrum penalties - particulary at the end - and the Bokke just piggypacked over tha tall the way downfield.
Scrum penalties have been a headache for us all year. Not many scrums in the game, but we struggled -- this has to be one of the major workons.
The thing that was awesome was seeing effective cleaners at the ruck. God knows what happened last week - but this week there were players ready to protect the ball, and ball carriers puttin gthe ball back on our side (not tucked into their body).
RM was mixed. Showed some of the qualities he's got, but also some of the downsides (particualrly carrying into big boys in traffic). Anyone see BB's distance at altitude in the kicking too - playing in Joberg is a bit crazy.
Huge result, really impressed. Still think Foster should go, because of the body of work over the last 3 years ... but we could have him to the RWC.
@nzzp said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Forwards were a massive step up. But our scrum was still poor - are the locks not great? Felt like we conceded so many scrum penalties - particulary at the end - and the Bokke just piggypacked over tha tall the way downfield.
Scrum penalties have been a headache for us all year. Not many scrums in the game, but we struggled -- this has to be one of the major workons.
The thing that was awesome was seeing effective cleaners at the ruck. God knows what happened last week - but this week there were players ready to protect the ball, and ball carriers puttin gthe ball back on our side (not tucked into their body).
RM was mixed. Showed some of the qualities he's got, but also some of the downsides (particualrly carrying into big boys in traffic). Anyone see BB's distance at altitude in the kicking too - playing in Joberg is a bit crazy.
Huge result, really impressed. Still think Foster should go, because of the body of work over the last 3 years ... but we could have him to the RWC.
I thought the midfield did pretty well too. One of the papers gave Havili an 8 which I thought was a bit high, but he was really solid last night and one of his better games in Black. Seemed to work well with Reiko & Ritchie and communication/co-ordination 10-12-13 looked a big improvement
Haven't re-watched the game, but it seemed to me we need more work on the wing. Didn't think the positioning was all that great at times and didn't receive the ball at quite the right time. Defensively though, apart from Caleb's blunder, they looked OK.
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Clarke's missed tackle aside, I thought the wings played very well. Good carrying, good under the high ball, some defensive alignment issues to work out, but generally very good despite receiving some difficult passes. Both used in the midfield more often and more effectively.
Last week they were receiving awful ball when they were flat and static.
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Clarke's missed tackle aside, I thought the wings played very well. Good carrying, good under the high ball, some defensive alignment issues to work out, but generally very good despite receiving some difficult passes. Both used in the midfield more often and more effectively.
Last week they were receiving awful ball when they were flat and static.
