Foster, Robertson etc
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@WillieTheWaiter said in Foster:
But. Mark Robinson has also showed and is showing himself to be a poor executive. So, I have no idea what will happen. But I have little doubt if the can is kicked down the road, based on hope his new assistants can drag him upwards - rather than his proven body of work - we will probably just be back here in about December, and then if kicked further, again back here in abut about July.
got a work colleague who has a mate who works in a large venture capitalist firm in the UK.
He was telling him they had a big session set up in London where they were presenting an investment plan to Robinson - (had a few interesting ideas such as setting up was a structure where 'marquee' players would be loaned to teams around the world.. )
anyway, this session - full of some pretty senior execs with global involvement in multiple sports.. Robinson turned up 30 mins late and walked in wearing shorts and a t shirt..
he just seems to miss the mark as the leader of a supposed world leading sports organisation - I really feel like there needs to be some overseas experience brought into NZR from maybe another 'larger' sport to help grow the brand. I know that firm mentioned above were pretty scathing of the AB's social media game.. and you certainly wouldn't say their comms team isn't anything more than average..
Time to stop promoting from within and spread the net a bit widerYou got a colleague who has a mate who work in a large venture capitalist firm??
That is the best opening sentence for ignoring a post I have ever read lol.
Bit like my cousin who knows the the friend of the sister of Sam whitelock or someone??? :beaming_face_with_smiling_eyes: :beaming_face_with_smiling_eyes: :beaming_face_with_smiling_eyes:@WillieTheWaiter said in Foster:
But. Mark Robinson has also showed and is showing himself to be a poor executive. So, I have no idea what will happen. But I have little doubt if the can is kicked down the road, based on hope his new assistants can drag him upwards - rather than his proven body of work - we will probably just be back here in about December, and then if kicked further, again back here in abut about July.
got a work colleague who has a mate who works in a large venture capitalist firm in the UK.
He was telling him they had a big session set up in London where they were presenting an investment plan to Robinson - (had a few interesting ideas such as setting up was a structure where 'marquee' players would be loaned to teams around the world.. )
anyway, this session - full of some pretty senior execs with global involvement in multiple sports.. Robinson turned up 30 mins late and walked in wearing shorts and a t shirt..
he just seems to miss the mark as the leader of a supposed world leading sports organisation - I really feel like there needs to be some overseas experience brought into NZR from maybe another 'larger' sport to help grow the brand. I know that firm mentioned above were pretty scathing of the AB's social media game.. and you certainly wouldn't say their comms team isn't anything more than average..
Time to stop promoting from within and spread the net a bit widerYou got a colleague who has a mate who work in a large venture capitalist firm??
That is the best opening sentence for ignoring a post I have ever read lol.
Bit like my cousin who knows the the friend of the sister of Sam whitelock or someone??? :beaming_face_with_smiling_eyes: :beaming_face_with_smiling_eyes: :beaming_face_with_smiling_eyes:sheesh you don't come to the fern for hard facts do ya!
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Regardless or whether you think Fozzie should be there or not, one thing is sure, he has been treated pretty shabbily by NZR. Would a new coach want to take over?
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Regardless or whether you think Fozzie should be there or not, one thing is sure, he has been treated pretty shabbily by NZR. Would a new coach want to take over?
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in Foster:
Regardless or whether you think Fozzie should be there or not, one thing is sure, he has been treated pretty shabbily by NZR. Would a new coach want to take over?
Totally Robinson should be first to the chop, he was pat of the stupid initial appointment, then the signing before NH tour 'because otherwise it's too mean not to' appears to be his idea/recommendation to the board
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Plumtree will be concerned if the forwards continue to improve with Ryan in charge. He was really rated not that long again.
Plumtree will be concerned if the forwards continue to improve with Ryan in charge. He was really rated not that long again.
By who? (apart from Foster). Ryan and Coventry have been the top NZ forwards coaches for sometime and would have sat ahead of Plumtree in pecking order (if available).
Funny if he really was the weak link as part of his reputation came from being hired by Joe Schmidt for Ireland's forwards.
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Did anyone here or in NZ in general (apart from Hanson and the geniuses at the NZRFU) actually want Foster in charge? I could get it if we'd won the RWC but it ended in a debacle. Having been a part of that debacle, how could anyone think he was the man to rebuild and get things back on track? If that was obvious to this gaggle of tards on TSF, then wtf were the decision makers smoking? Is it that difficult to remove oneself from that bubble?
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Did anyone here or in NZ in general (apart from Hanson and the geniuses at the NZRFU) actually want Foster in charge? I could get it if we'd won the RWC but it ended in a debacle. Having been a part of that debacle, how could anyone think he was the man to rebuild and get things back on track? If that was obvious to this gaggle of tards on TSF, then wtf were the decision makers smoking? Is it that difficult to remove oneself from that bubble?
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Plumtree will be concerned if the forwards continue to improve with Ryan in charge. He was really rated not that long again.
By who? (apart from Foster). Ryan and Coventry have been the top NZ forwards coaches for sometime and would have sat ahead of Plumtree in pecking order (if available).
Funny if he really was the weak link as part of his reputation came from being hired by Joe Schmidt for Ireland's forwards.
Plumtree will be concerned if the forwards continue to improve with Ryan in charge. He was really rated not that long again.
By who? (apart from Foster). Ryan and Coventry have been the top NZ forwards coaches for sometime and would have sat ahead of Plumtree in pecking order (if available).
Funny if he really was the weak link as part of his reputation came from being hired by Joe Schmidt for Ireland's forwards.
OK. I thought he was rated highly. (Not now of course) Esp as an assistant in charge of the forwards. And he did get the AB assistants job so more than Foster must have rated him. He also got the Cane's head coach job although that might not be saying much.
Re Schmidt. He appointed him so he must have been rated before then
I wonder if he has an issue dealing with players. As Umaga mentioned.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/archive/national-news/35183/Umaga-sticks-the-boot-in
Umaga also tackles respected coaches John Plumtree and Bryan Williams, saying Plumtree enjoyed humiliating players in front of teammates and that Williams was not "up to speed" with the modern game.
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Did anyone here or in NZ in general (apart from Hanson and the geniuses at the NZRFU) actually want Foster in charge? I could get it if we'd won the RWC but it ended in a debacle. Having been a part of that debacle, how could anyone think he was the man to rebuild and get things back on track? If that was obvious to this gaggle of tards on TSF, then wtf were the decision makers smoking? Is it that difficult to remove oneself from that bubble?
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Foster:
Did anyone here or in NZ in general (apart from Hanson and the geniuses at the NZRFU) actually want Foster in charge? I could get it if we'd won the RWC but it ended in a debacle. Having been a part of that debacle, how could anyone think he was the man to rebuild and get things back on track? If that was obvious to this gaggle of tards on TSF, then wtf were the decision makers smoking? Is it that difficult to remove oneself from that bubble?
What made me laugh was apparently Robertson got stumped on one question by the headmaster Graham Henry during the interview and was judged to be "unprepared", whereas, no doubt, Foster gave some good answers. Typical conservative as fuck NZ old school rugby thinkers and a resistance to change with a suspicion of unconventional thinkers like Robertson. Let's judge you on an interview.
Never mind the actual fuckin results of the two candidates.
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Plumtree will be concerned if the forwards continue to improve with Ryan in charge. He was really rated not that long again.
By who? (apart from Foster). Ryan and Coventry have been the top NZ forwards coaches for sometime and would have sat ahead of Plumtree in pecking order (if available).
Funny if he really was the weak link as part of his reputation came from being hired by Joe Schmidt for Ireland's forwards.
OK. I thought he was rated highly. (Not now of course) Esp as an assistant in charge of the forwards. And he did get the AB assistants job so more than Foster must have rated him. He also got the Cane's head coach job although that might not be saying much.
Re Schmidt. He appointed him so he must have been rated before then
I wonder if he has an issue dealing with players. As Umaga mentioned.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/archive/national-news/35183/Umaga-sticks-the-boot-in
Umaga also tackles respected coaches John Plumtree and Bryan Williams, saying Plumtree enjoyed humiliating players in front of teammates and that Williams was not "up to speed" with the modern game.
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Plumtree will be concerned if the forwards continue to improve with Ryan in charge. He was really rated not that long again.
By who? (apart from Foster). Ryan and Coventry have been the top NZ forwards coaches for sometime and would have sat ahead of Plumtree in pecking order (if available).
Funny if he really was the weak link as part of his reputation came from being hired by Joe Schmidt for Ireland's forwards.
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Plumtree will be concerned if the forwards continue to improve with Ryan in charge. He was really rated not that long again.
By who? (apart from Foster). Ryan and Coventry have been the top NZ forwards coaches for sometime and would have sat ahead of Plumtree in pecking order (if available).
Funny if he really was the weak link as part of his reputation came from being hired by Joe Schmidt for Ireland's forwards.
OK. I thought he was rated highly. (Not now of course) Esp as an assistant in charge of the forwards. And he did get the AB assistants job so more than Foster must have rated him. He also got the Cane's head coach job although that might not be saying much.
Re Schmidt. He appointed him so he must have been rated before then
I wonder if he has an issue dealing with players. As Umaga mentioned.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/archive/national-news/35183/Umaga-sticks-the-boot-in
Umaga also tackles respected coaches John Plumtree and Bryan Williams, saying Plumtree enjoyed humiliating players in front of teammates and that Williams was not "up to speed" with the modern game.
OK. I thought he was rated highly. (Not now of course) Esp as an assistant in charge of the forwards. And he did get the AB assistants job so more than Foster must have rated him.
Yeah he was rated by some. I just meant he wasnt necessarily rated in NZ compared to others.
He was SA coach of the year after winning Currie Cup with the Shorks, but that was after a good record with Wellington that didn't lead to a Super job here (maybe a red flag there?).
His Ireland spell didn't last long so maybe Joe knows something which added to him being pushed from the ABsEdit: @Bovidae this post was delayed by a work question. I see you beat me to it.
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Some reading from the soothsayers of the Fern
https://www.forum.thesilverfern.com/topic/3375/new-nzr-ceo-mark-robinson/18
https://www.forum.thesilverfern.com/topic/3608/poll-the-final-choice-ab-coach?page=1
https://www.forum.thesilverfern.com/topic/3572/ab-squad-next-rwc-2023?page=1
https://www.forum.thesilverfern.com/topic/3556/all-black-coach-ian-foster?page=1
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Why would you remove a coach that won against the current World Champions at Ellis Park?
@antipodean said in Foster:
Why would you remove a coach that won against the current World Champions at Ellis Park?
Because he just lost a home series to Ireland.
Why does two good results trump three poor ones?
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@antipodean said in Foster:
Why would you remove a coach that won against the current World Champions at Ellis Park?
Because he just lost a home series to Ireland.
Why does two good results trump three poor ones?
@Chester-Draws said in Foster:
@antipodean said in Foster:
Why would you remove a coach that won against the current World Champions at Ellis Park?
Because he just lost a home series to Ireland.
Why does two good results trump three poor ones?
Progress. There's now a very competent forwards coach and analyst on board apparently. Hopefully they help drive Foster to be slightly less risk averse in selections, as we've seen young props step up to the plate.
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A couple of points from this article
There’s more than a touch of irony in the All Blacks’ revival and Ian Foster’s battle for survival as coach of the New Zealand team after their gritty win in Johannesburg.
The impressive 35-23 win had the second hand fingerprints of Scott Robertson, the contender to replace Foster, all over it.
Jason Ryan has made a quick impact as forwards coach. That’s Ryan, Robertson’s long-time assistant at the Crusaders and who was on Robertson’s ticket when he went for the coaching job to replace the retiring Steve Hansen in 2019 but lost out to Foster.Mo’unga stood up when called up. His vision is second-to-none. At Ellis Park his goalkicking was solid, his general kicking highly efficient, his decision-making and game management were exceptional, and he knew when to throw caution to the wind to get the All Blacks out of the danger zones with ball-in-hand attacks that made a mockery of what transpired seven days earlier.
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A couple of points from this article
There’s more than a touch of irony in the All Blacks’ revival and Ian Foster’s battle for survival as coach of the New Zealand team after their gritty win in Johannesburg.
The impressive 35-23 win had the second hand fingerprints of Scott Robertson, the contender to replace Foster, all over it.
Jason Ryan has made a quick impact as forwards coach. That’s Ryan, Robertson’s long-time assistant at the Crusaders and who was on Robertson’s ticket when he went for the coaching job to replace the retiring Steve Hansen in 2019 but lost out to Foster.Mo’unga stood up when called up. His vision is second-to-none. At Ellis Park his goalkicking was solid, his general kicking highly efficient, his decision-making and game management were exceptional, and he knew when to throw caution to the wind to get the All Blacks out of the danger zones with ball-in-hand attacks that made a mockery of what transpired seven days earlier.
@Chris I do wonder if all this talk from the players about how great a coach (guy) Fozzie is, did inspire them knowing another defeat was the end of him...
I mean he can be a top bloke, but a poor coach and still inspire his players, just a shame it got to this point for the players to become inspired or clearer, or was just timing of the aligned stars with the exit of Moar/Plumtree and the bigger influence of Ryan/Schmidt?
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@Crucial Possibly my view is one dimensional and yours and others are more nuanced. But the bottom line is the score board which, despite what the players or past players or coaches or Foster have to say, shows failure. Sometimes what is obvious and in front of our faces is more real than what a thousand words can say.
Rennie is trying out new players and new strategies with less depth to fall back on.
Regards Foster I am beginning to feel sorry for the bloke it must be crap to pull off such a win then fly back wondering if one is facing a firing squad.And I am no clearer as to who makes the decisions at NZR...who are the leaders, the board or Robinson? He seems to be shuffling backwards ..
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@Chester-Draws said in Foster:
@antipodean said in Foster:
Why would you remove a coach that won against the current World Champions at Ellis Park?
Because he just lost a home series to Ireland.
Why does two good results trump three poor ones?
Progress. There's now a very competent forwards coach and analyst on board apparently. Hopefully they help drive Foster to be slightly less risk averse in selections, as we've seen young props step up to the plate.
@antipodean said in Foster:
@Chester-Draws said in Foster:
@antipodean said in Foster:
Why would you remove a coach that won against the current World Champions at Ellis Park?
Because he just lost a home series to Ireland.
Why does two good results trump three poor ones?
Progress. There's now a very competent forwards coach and analyst on board apparently. Hopefully they help drive Foster to be slightly less risk averse in selections, as we've seen young props step up to the plate.
The progress has largely happened because of "a very competent forwards coach and analyst on board" now we need a very competent head coach with a far superior record to Foster to top it all off.
