Foster, Robertson etc
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@antipodean said in Foster:
@antipodean said in Foster:
@antipodean said in Foster:
@antipodean said in Foster:
@Chester-Draws said in Foster:
@antipodean said in Foster:
Why would you remove a coach that won against the current World Champions at Ellis Park?
Because he just lost a home series to Ireland.
Why does two good results trump three poor ones?
Progress. There's now a very competent forwards coach and analyst on board apparently. Hopefully they help drive Foster to be slightly less risk averse in selections, as we've seen young props step up to the plate.
The progress has largely happened because of "a very competent forwards coach and analyst on board" now we need a very competent head coach with a far superior record to Foster to top it all off.
We aren't playing Super Rugby, we want a head coach with experience at Test level and a demonstrated record of success at RWCs. Like a winner's medal in some capacity.
Who do you suggest?
The bloke that won on the weekend against the World Champions at their version of Eden Park must be alright.
The same bloke who was part of the 2019 WC SF loss and has created all sorts of losing stats over the last 3 years Perfect lol.
Sir Ted became the first All Black coach to get bundled out at the quarter final stage.
I'm guessing my point is a little too subtle for you and @Frank
My point is the bloke has been in the environment for 2 Wc's has lost the last 5 out of 7 tests.You think he would be getting better One test win doesn't disprove all the shit that has happened before Saturday.
Has selected the wrong players,We bring in the Crusaders forward coach and we win because of the great platform set by the forwards.
Nothing to do with the HC.@antipodean said in Foster:
@antipodean said in Foster:
@antipodean said in Foster:
@antipodean said in Foster:
@Chester-Draws said in Foster:
@antipodean said in Foster:
Why would you remove a coach that won against the current World Champions at Ellis Park?
Because he just lost a home series to Ireland.
Why does two good results trump three poor ones?
Progress. There's now a very competent forwards coach and analyst on board apparently. Hopefully they help drive Foster to be slightly less risk averse in selections, as we've seen young props step up to the plate.
The progress has largely happened because of "a very competent forwards coach and analyst on board" now we need a very competent head coach with a far superior record to Foster to top it all off.
We aren't playing Super Rugby, we want a head coach with experience at Test level and a demonstrated record of success at RWCs. Like a winner's medal in some capacity.
Who do you suggest?
The bloke that won on the weekend against the World Champions at their version of Eden Park must be alright.
The same bloke who was part of the 2019 WC SF loss and has created all sorts of losing stats over the last 3 years Perfect lol.
Sir Ted became the first All Black coach to get bundled out at the quarter final stage.
I'm guessing my point is a little too subtle for you and @Frank
My point is the bloke has been in the environment for 2 Wc's has lost the last 5 out of 7 tests.You think he would be getting better One test win doesn't disprove all the shit that has happened before Saturday.
Has selected the wrong players,We bring in the Crusaders forward coach and we win because of the great platform set by the forwards.
Nothing to do with the HC.But don't forget the players feelings. There's that too. Ardie loves him.
Fuck Robertson, he needs international experience as head coach of England first. -
A question (based on what I have read):
Why would Robertson want MacDonald, Holland AND Hansen? I understand that Hansen is in charge of the 9/10s at the Crusaders, but wouldn't the other two be responsible for the same thing? This seems like a duplication of roles.
A question (based on what I have read):
Why would Robertson want MacDonald, Holland AND Hansen? I understand that Hansen is in charge of the 9/10s at the Crusaders, but wouldn't the other two be responsible for the same thing? This seems like a duplication of roles.
Hansen is also the tactical Coach at the Crusaders.
He helps set tactics and game plans for the backs. -
@antipodean said in Foster:
@antipodean said in Foster:
@antipodean said in Foster:
@antipodean said in Foster:
@Chester-Draws said in Foster:
@antipodean said in Foster:
Why would you remove a coach that won against the current World Champions at Ellis Park?
Because he just lost a home series to Ireland.
Why does two good results trump three poor ones?
Progress. There's now a very competent forwards coach and analyst on board apparently. Hopefully they help drive Foster to be slightly less risk averse in selections, as we've seen young props step up to the plate.
The progress has largely happened because of "a very competent forwards coach and analyst on board" now we need a very competent head coach with a far superior record to Foster to top it all off.
We aren't playing Super Rugby, we want a head coach with experience at Test level and a demonstrated record of success at RWCs. Like a winner's medal in some capacity.
Who do you suggest?
The bloke that won on the weekend against the World Champions at their version of Eden Park must be alright.
The same bloke who was part of the 2019 WC SF loss and has created all sorts of losing stats over the last 3 years Perfect lol.
Sir Ted became the first All Black coach to get bundled out at the quarter final stage.
I'm guessing my point is a little too subtle for you and @Frank
My point is the bloke has been in the environment for 2 Wc's has lost the last 5 out of 7 tests.You think he would be getting better One test win doesn't disprove all the shit that has happened before Saturday.
Has selected the wrong players,We bring in the Crusaders forward coach and we win because of the great platform set by the forwards.
Nothing to do with the HC.@antipodean said in Foster:
@antipodean said in Foster:
@antipodean said in Foster:
@antipodean said in Foster:
@Chester-Draws said in Foster:
@antipodean said in Foster:
Why would you remove a coach that won against the current World Champions at Ellis Park?
Because he just lost a home series to Ireland.
Why does two good results trump three poor ones?
Progress. There's now a very competent forwards coach and analyst on board apparently. Hopefully they help drive Foster to be slightly less risk averse in selections, as we've seen young props step up to the plate.
The progress has largely happened because of "a very competent forwards coach and analyst on board" now we need a very competent head coach with a far superior record to Foster to top it all off.
We aren't playing Super Rugby, we want a head coach with experience at Test level and a demonstrated record of success at RWCs. Like a winner's medal in some capacity.
Who do you suggest?
The bloke that won on the weekend against the World Champions at their version of Eden Park must be alright.
The same bloke who was part of the 2019 WC SF loss and has created all sorts of losing stats over the last 3 years Perfect lol.
Sir Ted became the first All Black coach to get bundled out at the quarter final stage.
I'm guessing my point is a little too subtle for you and @Frank
My point is the bloke has been in the environment for 2 Wc's has lost the last 5 out of 7 tests.You think he would be getting better One test win doesn't disprove all the shit that has happened before Saturday.
Has selected the wrong players,We bring in the Crusaders forward coach and we win because of the great platform set by the forwards.
Nothing to do with the HC.How do you know that Ryan wasn't better at providing the clarity for the forwards Fozzie wanted?
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A question (based on what I have read):
Why would Robertson want MacDonald, Holland AND Hansen? I understand that Hansen is in charge of the 9/10s at the Crusaders, but wouldn't the other two be responsible for the same thing? This seems like a duplication of roles.
Hansen is also the tactical Coach at the Crusaders.
He helps set tactics and game plans for the backs.A question (based on what I have read):
Why would Robertson want MacDonald, Holland AND Hansen? I understand that Hansen is in charge of the 9/10s at the Crusaders, but wouldn't the other two be responsible for the same thing? This seems like a duplication of roles.
Hansen is also the tactical Coach at the Crusaders.
He helps set tactics and game plans for the backs.So Robertson is made to look good by virtue of the competence of his assistants?
Much like any coach that has Wayne Smith in his ear looks like a fucking genius?
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@antipodean said in Foster:
@antipodean said in Foster:
@antipodean said in Foster:
@antipodean said in Foster:
@Chester-Draws said in Foster:
@antipodean said in Foster:
Why would you remove a coach that won against the current World Champions at Ellis Park?
Because he just lost a home series to Ireland.
Why does two good results trump three poor ones?
Progress. There's now a very competent forwards coach and analyst on board apparently. Hopefully they help drive Foster to be slightly less risk averse in selections, as we've seen young props step up to the plate.
The progress has largely happened because of "a very competent forwards coach and analyst on board" now we need a very competent head coach with a far superior record to Foster to top it all off.
We aren't playing Super Rugby, we want a head coach with experience at Test level and a demonstrated record of success at RWCs. Like a winner's medal in some capacity.
Who do you suggest?
The bloke that won on the weekend against the World Champions at their version of Eden Park must be alright.
The same bloke who was part of the 2019 WC SF loss and has created all sorts of losing stats over the last 3 years Perfect lol.
Sir Ted became the first All Black coach to get bundled out at the quarter final stage.
I'm guessing my point is a little too subtle for you and @Frank
My point is the bloke has been in the environment for 2 Wc's has lost the last 5 out of 7 tests.You think he would be getting better One test win doesn't disprove all the shit that has happened before Saturday.
Has selected the wrong players,We bring in the Crusaders forward coach and we win because of the great platform set by the forwards.
Nothing to do with the HC.How do you know that Ryan wasn't better at providing the clarity for the forwards Fozzie wanted?
@antipodean said in Foster:
@antipodean said in Foster:
@antipodean said in Foster:
@antipodean said in Foster:
@antipodean said in Foster:
@Chester-Draws said in Foster:
@antipodean said in Foster:
Why would you remove a coach that won against the current World Champions at Ellis Park?
Because he just lost a home series to Ireland.
Why does two good results trump three poor ones?
Progress. There's now a very competent forwards coach and analyst on board apparently. Hopefully they help drive Foster to be slightly less risk averse in selections, as we've seen young props step up to the plate.
The progress has largely happened because of "a very competent forwards coach and analyst on board" now we need a very competent head coach with a far superior record to Foster to top it all off.
We aren't playing Super Rugby, we want a head coach with experience at Test level and a demonstrated record of success at RWCs. Like a winner's medal in some capacity.
Who do you suggest?
The bloke that won on the weekend against the World Champions at their version of Eden Park must be alright.
The same bloke who was part of the 2019 WC SF loss and has created all sorts of losing stats over the last 3 years Perfect lol.
Sir Ted became the first All Black coach to get bundled out at the quarter final stage.
I'm guessing my point is a little too subtle for you and @Frank
My point is the bloke has been in the environment for 2 Wc's has lost the last 5 out of 7 tests.You think he would be getting better One test win doesn't disprove all the shit that has happened before Saturday.
Has selected the wrong players,We bring in the Crusaders forward coach and we win because of the great platform set by the forwards.
Nothing to do with the HC.How do you know that Ryan wasn't better at providing the clarity for the forwards Fozzie wanted?
How do you know Ryan didn't bring clarity from what he was doing with Robertson and sorted out the mess Foster created.?
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@antipodean said in Foster:
@antipodean said in Foster:
@antipodean said in Foster:
@antipodean said in Foster:
@antipodean said in Foster:
@Chester-Draws said in Foster:
@antipodean said in Foster:
Why would you remove a coach that won against the current World Champions at Ellis Park?
Because he just lost a home series to Ireland.
Why does two good results trump three poor ones?
Progress. There's now a very competent forwards coach and analyst on board apparently. Hopefully they help drive Foster to be slightly less risk averse in selections, as we've seen young props step up to the plate.
The progress has largely happened because of "a very competent forwards coach and analyst on board" now we need a very competent head coach with a far superior record to Foster to top it all off.
We aren't playing Super Rugby, we want a head coach with experience at Test level and a demonstrated record of success at RWCs. Like a winner's medal in some capacity.
Who do you suggest?
The bloke that won on the weekend against the World Champions at their version of Eden Park must be alright.
The same bloke who was part of the 2019 WC SF loss and has created all sorts of losing stats over the last 3 years Perfect lol.
Sir Ted became the first All Black coach to get bundled out at the quarter final stage.
I'm guessing my point is a little too subtle for you and @Frank
My point is the bloke has been in the environment for 2 Wc's has lost the last 5 out of 7 tests.You think he would be getting better One test win doesn't disprove all the shit that has happened before Saturday.
Has selected the wrong players,We bring in the Crusaders forward coach and we win because of the great platform set by the forwards.
Nothing to do with the HC.How do you know that Ryan wasn't better at providing the clarity for the forwards Fozzie wanted?
How do you know Ryan didn't bring clarity from what he was doing with Robertson and sorted out the mess Foster created.?
@antipodean said in Foster:
@antipodean said in Foster:
@antipodean said in Foster:
@antipodean said in Foster:
@antipodean said in Foster:
@Chester-Draws said in Foster:
@antipodean said in Foster:
Why would you remove a coach that won against the current World Champions at Ellis Park?
Because he just lost a home series to Ireland.
Why does two good results trump three poor ones?
Progress. There's now a very competent forwards coach and analyst on board apparently. Hopefully they help drive Foster to be slightly less risk averse in selections, as we've seen young props step up to the plate.
The progress has largely happened because of "a very competent forwards coach and analyst on board" now we need a very competent head coach with a far superior record to Foster to top it all off.
We aren't playing Super Rugby, we want a head coach with experience at Test level and a demonstrated record of success at RWCs. Like a winner's medal in some capacity.
Who do you suggest?
The bloke that won on the weekend against the World Champions at their version of Eden Park must be alright.
The same bloke who was part of the 2019 WC SF loss and has created all sorts of losing stats over the last 3 years Perfect lol.
Sir Ted became the first All Black coach to get bundled out at the quarter final stage.
I'm guessing my point is a little too subtle for you and @Frank
My point is the bloke has been in the environment for 2 Wc's has lost the last 5 out of 7 tests.You think he would be getting better One test win doesn't disprove all the shit that has happened before Saturday.
Has selected the wrong players,We bring in the Crusaders forward coach and we win because of the great platform set by the forwards.
Nothing to do with the HC.How do you know that Ryan wasn't better at providing the clarity for the forwards Fozzie wanted?
How do you know Ryan didn't bring clarity from what he was doing with Robertson and sorted out the mess Foster created.?
Now you're starting to grasp the complexities. The next step is to simply replace names. I'm going to presume you still won't understand.
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A question (based on what I have read):
Why would Robertson want MacDonald, Holland AND Hansen? I understand that Hansen is in charge of the 9/10s at the Crusaders, but wouldn't the other two be responsible for the same thing? This seems like a duplication of roles.
Hansen is also the tactical Coach at the Crusaders.
He helps set tactics and game plans for the backs.So Robertson is made to look good by virtue of the competence of his assistants?
Much like any coach that has Wayne Smith in his ear looks like a fucking genius?
@antipodean said in Foster:
A question (based on what I have read):
Why would Robertson want MacDonald, Holland AND Hansen? I understand that Hansen is in charge of the 9/10s at the Crusaders, but wouldn't the other two be responsible for the same thing? This seems like a duplication of roles.
Hansen is also the tactical Coach at the Crusaders.
He helps set tactics and game plans for the backs.So Robertson is made to look good by virtue of the competence of his assistants?
Much like any coach that has Wayne Smith in his ear looks like a fucking genius?
Part of being a HC is finding and working with the best people to create the environment you need.
Foster doesn't seem to be able to do that as he picked Plumtree and Mooar backed them to the hilt then realise he fucked up and had them sacked.
Not good from a HC. -
@antipodean said in Foster:
@antipodean said in Foster:
@antipodean said in Foster:
@antipodean said in Foster:
@antipodean said in Foster:
@Chester-Draws said in Foster:
@antipodean said in Foster:
Why would you remove a coach that won against the current World Champions at Ellis Park?
Because he just lost a home series to Ireland.
Why does two good results trump three poor ones?
Progress. There's now a very competent forwards coach and analyst on board apparently. Hopefully they help drive Foster to be slightly less risk averse in selections, as we've seen young props step up to the plate.
The progress has largely happened because of "a very competent forwards coach and analyst on board" now we need a very competent head coach with a far superior record to Foster to top it all off.
We aren't playing Super Rugby, we want a head coach with experience at Test level and a demonstrated record of success at RWCs. Like a winner's medal in some capacity.
Who do you suggest?
The bloke that won on the weekend against the World Champions at their version of Eden Park must be alright.
The same bloke who was part of the 2019 WC SF loss and has created all sorts of losing stats over the last 3 years Perfect lol.
Sir Ted became the first All Black coach to get bundled out at the quarter final stage.
I'm guessing my point is a little too subtle for you and @Frank
My point is the bloke has been in the environment for 2 Wc's has lost the last 5 out of 7 tests.You think he would be getting better One test win doesn't disprove all the shit that has happened before Saturday.
Has selected the wrong players,We bring in the Crusaders forward coach and we win because of the great platform set by the forwards.
Nothing to do with the HC.How do you know that Ryan wasn't better at providing the clarity for the forwards Fozzie wanted?
How do you know Ryan didn't bring clarity from what he was doing with Robertson and sorted out the mess Foster created.?
Now you're starting to grasp the complexities. The next step is to simply replace names. I'm going to presume you still won't understand.
@antipodean said in Foster:
@antipodean said in Foster:
@antipodean said in Foster:
@antipodean said in Foster:
@antipodean said in Foster:
@antipodean said in Foster:
@Chester-Draws said in Foster:
@antipodean said in Foster:
Why would you remove a coach that won against the current World Champions at Ellis Park?
Because he just lost a home series to Ireland.
Why does two good results trump three poor ones?
Progress. There's now a very competent forwards coach and analyst on board apparently. Hopefully they help drive Foster to be slightly less risk averse in selections, as we've seen young props step up to the plate.
The progress has largely happened because of "a very competent forwards coach and analyst on board" now we need a very competent head coach with a far superior record to Foster to top it all off.
We aren't playing Super Rugby, we want a head coach with experience at Test level and a demonstrated record of success at RWCs. Like a winner's medal in some capacity.
Who do you suggest?
The bloke that won on the weekend against the World Champions at their version of Eden Park must be alright.
The same bloke who was part of the 2019 WC SF loss and has created all sorts of losing stats over the last 3 years Perfect lol.
Sir Ted became the first All Black coach to get bundled out at the quarter final stage.
I'm guessing my point is a little too subtle for you and @Frank
My point is the bloke has been in the environment for 2 Wc's has lost the last 5 out of 7 tests.You think he would be getting better One test win doesn't disprove all the shit that has happened before Saturday.
Has selected the wrong players,We bring in the Crusaders forward coach and we win because of the great platform set by the forwards.
Nothing to do with the HC.How do you know that Ryan wasn't better at providing the clarity for the forwards Fozzie wanted?
How do you know Ryan didn't bring clarity from what he was doing with Robertson and sorted out the mess Foster created.?
Now you're starting to grasp the complexities. The next step is to simply replace names. I'm going to presume you still won't understand.
You are just playing with words it still does not make Foster a good coach when history say he is shit.
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@antipodean said in Foster:
@antipodean said in Foster:
@antipodean said in Foster:
@antipodean said in Foster:
@antipodean said in Foster:
@Chester-Draws said in Foster:
@antipodean said in Foster:
Why would you remove a coach that won against the current World Champions at Ellis Park?
Because he just lost a home series to Ireland.
Why does two good results trump three poor ones?
Progress. There's now a very competent forwards coach and analyst on board apparently. Hopefully they help drive Foster to be slightly less risk averse in selections, as we've seen young props step up to the plate.
The progress has largely happened because of "a very competent forwards coach and analyst on board" now we need a very competent head coach with a far superior record to Foster to top it all off.
We aren't playing Super Rugby, we want a head coach with experience at Test level and a demonstrated record of success at RWCs. Like a winner's medal in some capacity.
Who do you suggest?
The bloke that won on the weekend against the World Champions at their version of Eden Park must be alright.
The same bloke who was part of the 2019 WC SF loss and has created all sorts of losing stats over the last 3 years Perfect lol.
Sir Ted became the first All Black coach to get bundled out at the quarter final stage.
I'm guessing my point is a little too subtle for you and @Frank
My point is the bloke has been in the environment for 2 Wc's has lost the last 5 out of 7 tests.You think he would be getting better One test win doesn't disprove all the shit that has happened before Saturday.
Has selected the wrong players,We bring in the Crusaders forward coach and we win because of the great platform set by the forwards.
Nothing to do with the HC.How do you know that Ryan wasn't better at providing the clarity for the forwards Fozzie wanted?
How do you know Ryan didn't bring clarity from what he was doing with Robertson and sorted out the mess Foster created.?
Now you're starting to grasp the complexities. The next step is to simply replace names. I'm going to presume you still won't understand.
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@antipodean said in Foster:
Now you're starting to grasp the complexities. The next step is to simply replace names. I'm going to presume you still won't understand.
You can make your points without being so condescending.
@antipodean said in Foster:
Now you're starting to grasp the complexities. The next step is to simply replace names. I'm going to presume you still won't understand.
You can make your points without being so condescending.
Condescension is all I had left.
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I'm not smart enough to explain this further so that you'll understand.
@antipodean said in Foster:
I'm not smart enough to explain this further so that you'll understand.
I don't need or have to Understand your BS as its irrelevant to what is going to happen going forward.
Your thoughts and opinions are not all encompassing that the world stands still when you open your mouth. -
@antipodean said in Foster:
I'm not smart enough to explain this further so that you'll understand.
I don't need or have to Understand your BS as its irrelevant to what is going to happen going forward.
Your thoughts and opinions are not all encompassing that the world stands still when you open your mouth.Your thoughts and opinions are not all encompassing that the world stands still when you open your mouth.
I must say that feedback comes as a shock. In third grade Ms Battenburg said the class would stop until I'd finished and then they could go back to learning.
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A question (based on what I have read):
Why would Robertson want MacDonald, Holland AND Hansen? I understand that Hansen is in charge of the 9/10s at the Crusaders, but wouldn't the other two be responsible for the same thing? This seems like a duplication of roles.
Hansen is also the tactical Coach at the Crusaders.
He helps set tactics and game plans for the backs. -
@Chris I am asking about MacDonald and Holland, particularly the former in an assistant role.
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Some reading from the soothsayers of the Fern
https://www.forum.thesilverfern.com/topic/3375/new-nzr-ceo-mark-robinson/18
https://www.forum.thesilverfern.com/topic/3608/poll-the-final-choice-ab-coach?page=1
https://www.forum.thesilverfern.com/topic/3572/ab-squad-next-rwc-2023?page=1
https://www.forum.thesilverfern.com/topic/3556/all-black-coach-ian-foster?page=1
Some reading from the soothsayers of the Fern
https://www.forum.thesilverfern.com/topic/3608/poll-the-final-choice-ab-coach?page=1
![[Poll] The final choice (AB Coach) The Silver Fern.png](/assets/uploads/files/1660537554042-poll-the-final-choice-ab-coach-the-silver-fern.png)
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@Chris I do wonder if all this talk from the players about how great a coach (guy) Fozzie is, did inspire them knowing another defeat was the end of him...
I mean he can be a top bloke, but a poor coach and still inspire his players, just a shame it got to this point for the players to become inspired or clearer, or was just timing of the aligned stars with the exit of Moar/Plumtree and the bigger influence of Ryan/Schmidt?
@taniwharugby said in Foster:
@Chris I do wonder if all this talk from the players about how great a coach (guy) Fozzie is, did inspire them knowing another defeat was the end of him...
I mean he can be a top bloke, but a poor coach and still inspire his players, just a shame it got to this point for the players to become inspired or clearer, or was just timing of the aligned stars with the exit of Moar/Plumtree and the bigger influence of Ryan/Schmidt?
The players who have spoken on TV I have heard have not said they think he a great coach not a nice bloke. Well that is Havili and Savea that I just heard, and Mounga last week. So perhaps we can put to bed the they think he's a nice bloke thing?
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Some reading from the soothsayers of the Fern
https://www.forum.thesilverfern.com/topic/3608/poll-the-final-choice-ab-coach?page=1
I knew a few people that backed Foster solely because Hansen said he was good to go.
At the time I argued that leopards don't change their spots, but Hansen's endorsement meant that they believed Fostyer had learned enough as AB assistant.
Hansen has to bear a huge amount of the blame here. He had massive sway, and he used it unwisely.
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I knew a few people that backed Foster solely because Hansen said he was good to go.
At the time I argued that leopards don't change their spots, but Hansen's endorsement meant that they believed Fostyer had learned enough as AB assistant.
Hansen has to bear a huge amount of the blame here. He had massive sway, and he used it unwisely.
@Chester-Draws said in Foster:
I knew a few people that backed Foster solely because Hansen said he was good to go.
At the time I argued that leopards don't change their spots, but Hansen's endorsement meant that they believed Fostyer had learned enough as AB assistant.
Hansen has to bear a huge amount of the blame here. He had massive sway, and he used it unwisely.
I'm surprised, everyone I've talked to around the time had realised Hansen had lost his edge, and obviously should have gone as originally planned after the lions series. His judgement was suspect by then, the 'after more than 7 years in the job you're past your peak and is time to move on' effect was very obvious
