Foster, Robertson etc
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so what happens if we lose the Bledisloe and then a couple on the EOYT? The time to move was straight after the Irish series, but didnt, now, they need to give him what he needs.
Still unsure how Teflon McLeod has stayed through all this, more so while other coaches under Fozzie were dragged through this too, McLeod was barely mentioned.
NZR really seem clueless.
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@taniwharugby said in Foster:
@nostrildamus isnt he signed on for super next year?
What NZR need to be doing is put the feelers out to possible coaches now to come on board post 2023 RWC, rather than wait until after the RWC and all the other nations have sorted thier shit out and snaffled our good coaches
With a release clause and was it not last month he said he was open to overseas offers?
@nostrildamus said in Foster:
@taniwharugby said in Foster:
@nostrildamus isnt he signed on for super next year?
What NZR need to be doing is put the feelers out to possible coaches now to come on board post 2023 RWC, rather than wait until after the RWC and all the other nations have sorted thier shit out and snaffled our good coaches
With a release clause and was it not last month he said he was open to overseas offers?
The release clause is at the end of 2023, ie he didn't get the ABs job 2024 on. If he's not ABs fish 2024, he'll be head coach for some other nation, totally. But he won't go until then, as nothing has changed from when he signed his extension
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Well done NZR-how long before Scott Robertson is off overseas? I'm guessing an announcement by October.
Deep sigh. The NZR should have a high performance coach exporting position because that seems to be their main achievement. Seems these days to be a head coach one should do as little coaching as possible.@nostrildamus Not sure about that. After he didn't get the gig - what was it? two? - years ago, Robertson re-signed with NZR until the end of 2024, with an outclause after 2023 in case he didn't get the gig after the 2023 RWC. That may still happen. The only thing is, they should set that process in motion soon, to prevent a repeat of the shambles of 2019.
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@nostrildamus Not sure about that. After he didn't get the gig - what was it? two? - years ago, Robertson re-signed with NZR until the end of 2024, with an outclause after 2023 in case he didn't get the gig after the 2023 RWC. That may still happen. The only thing is, they should set that process in motion soon, to prevent a repeat of the shambles of 2019.
Ok you are all probably right I am just still upset our worst coach in recent memory gets the best coaches to help him fall over the line.
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Ok you are all probably right I am just still upset our worst coach in recent memory gets the best coaches to help him fall over the line.
Doesn't seem a merit-based decision to me.@nostrildamus said in Foster:
Ok you are all probably right I am just still upset our worst coach in recent memory gets the best coaches to help him fall over the line.
Doesn't seem a merit-based decision to me.I don't know. If England comes up with a much larger offer then Razor could very well be lost. Contracts are easily broken these days. The time to secure him was now and they stuffed it up. Looks like player power won out in the end.
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Not good listening to Fozzie to be honest. His perspective doesn't inspire confidence. Examples, we shouldn't expect to win all games against teams ranked higher than the ABs, NZ public only angry because of the series loss to Ireland....etc, etc. They are all saying "learnings" and "tweaks" for good sakes:angry_face:
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Not good listening to Fozzie to be honest. His perspective doesn't inspire confidence. Examples, we shouldn't expect to win all games against teams ranked higher than the ABs, NZ public only angry because of the series loss to Ireland....etc, etc. They are all saying "learnings" and "tweaks" for good sakes:angry_face:
@Old-Samurai-Jack although if we get back to #1 ranking, we can expect to win them all, surely
@Stargazer yeah he just said him, Ryan, Schmidt and Stormy are getting together tomorrow to start planning for attack, defence etc....
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Ok you are all probably right I am just still upset our worst coach in recent memory gets the best coaches to help him fall over the line.
Doesn't seem a merit-based decision to me. -
Not good listening to Fozzie to be honest. His perspective doesn't inspire confidence. Examples, we shouldn't expect to win all games against teams ranked higher than the ABs, NZ public only angry because of the series loss to Ireland....etc, etc. They are all saying "learnings" and "tweaks" for good sakes:angry_face:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in Foster:
Not good listening to Fozzie to be honest. His perspective doesn't inspire confidence. Examples, we shouldn't expect to win all games against teams ranked higher than the ABs,
Thatâs an amazing statement. The only reason theyâre ranked higher than the ABs is that we donât beat them! Itâs a self fulfilling argument.
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@nostrildamus said in Foster:
@taniwharugby said in Foster:
@nostrildamus isnt he signed on for super next year?
What NZR need to be doing is put the feelers out to possible coaches now to come on board post 2023 RWC, rather than wait until after the RWC and all the other nations have sorted thier shit out and snaffled our good coaches
With a release clause and was it not last month he said he was open to overseas offers?
I'm not sure how this particular decision will put off Razor - I would think he would much rather take over after a RWC than now.
@KiwiMurph yeah I would imagine that would be the better option for him personally
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@nostrildamus Foster asked Schmidt initially but he (Joe) wanted to step away from coaching then.
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Not good listening to Fozzie to be honest. His perspective doesn't inspire confidence. Examples, we shouldn't expect to win all games against teams ranked higher than the ABs, NZ public only angry because of the series loss to Ireland....etc, etc. They are all saying "learnings" and "tweaks" for good sakes:angry_face:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in Foster:
Not good listening to Fozzie to be honest. His perspective doesn't inspire confidence. Examples, we shouldn't expect to win all games against teams ranked higher than the ABs, NZ public only angry because of the series loss to Ireland....etc, etc. They are all saying "learnings" and "tweaks" for good sakes:angry_face:
Totally agree
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Who were the realistic options to replace him?
Gatland, Robertson, and Schmidt.
I've heard that Robertson didn't want to take the job at this stage of the WC cycle. Schmidt has excluded himself from even assistant coach roles until now, and Gatland may very well not want the role either.
They may have had no alternative to Foster.
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Well done NZR-how long before Scott Robertson is off overseas? I'm guessing an announcement by October.
Deep sigh. The NZR should have a high performance coach exporting position because that seems to be their main achievement. Seems these days to be a head coach one should do as little coaching as possible.@nostrildamus said in Foster:
Well done NZR-how long before Scott Robertson is off overseas? I'm guessing an announcement by October.
Then fuck him. He knew years ago his next shot would be post '23.
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@Old-Samurai-Jack said in Foster:
Not good listening to Fozzie to be honest. His perspective doesn't inspire confidence. Examples, we shouldn't expect to win all games against teams ranked higher than the ABs,
Thatâs an amazing statement. The only reason theyâre ranked higher than the ABs is that we donât beat them! Itâs a self fulfilling argument.
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in Foster:
Not good listening to Fozzie to be honest. His perspective doesn't inspire confidence. Examples, we shouldn't expect to win all games against teams ranked higher than the ABs,
Thatâs an amazing statement. The only reason theyâre ranked higher than the ABs is that we donât beat them! Itâs a self fulfilling argument.
That's the genius of it. "Of course we lost, they're now ranked higher".
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Who were the realistic options to replace him?
Gatland, Robertson, and Schmidt.
I've heard that Robertson didn't want to take the job at this stage of the WC cycle. Schmidt has excluded himself from even assistant coach roles until now, and Gatland may very well not want the role either.
They may have had no alternative to Foster.
Who were the realistic options to replace him?
Gatland, Robertson, and Schmidt.
I've heard that Robertson didn't want to take the job at this stage of the WC cycle. Schmidt has excluded himself from even assistant coach roles until now, and Gatland may very well not want the role either.
They may have had no alternative to Foster.
Good point !!!
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Ok you are all probably right I am just still upset our worst coach in recent memory gets the best coaches to help him fall over the line.
Doesn't seem a merit-based decision to me.@nostrildamus said in Foster:
Ok you are all probably right I am just still upset our worst coach in recent memory gets the best coaches to help him fall over the line.
Doesn't seem a merit-based decision to me.In hindsight, it does reveal how Steve Hansen must've been an extremely strong head coach in his own right to excel - even with some pretty mediocre assistants in Foster and McLeod as his only support staff between 2017-2019.
Foster now has Joe Schmidt, Jason Ryan, Andrew Strawbridge, Greg Feek, David Hill, plus Scott McLeod..
How many babysitters does one coach need?
