Foster, Robertson etc
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@Crucial 100% source
@chchfanatic said in Foster:
@Crucial 100% source
From the horses mouth?
See, it would show massive incompetence from NZR to actually offer him the job and renege.
If you mean that they lined him up as backup should Foster walk or be pushed and he said he was happy to step in, that is a very different picture and not exactly the 'shafting' that you describe.
Subtle differences in the way a story is spread can massively change the reality.
Not doubting you, just asking.
A few weeks back I had a 'from the horses mouth' bottle of sauce that turned out to be a misinterpretation of a comment made by said person. That's why I double question these things.
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@nostrildamus said in Foster:
@nostrildamus said in Foster:
Current rant: if NZR and Robinson don't want to be seen as an old boys club why the hell let Foster put his arm on Robinson's shoulder at the press conference..? (End rant)
What the....really? This is getting ridiculous. My manager gives everyone hugs whenever she sees them - does that mean we're part of an old boys club too? What about when I shake hands with other leadership members or give them a pat on the shoulder if I haven't seen them in a while?
Your manager does that at a national press conference while announcing who the coach is?
I don't understand your issue here, it's really bizarre. How the fuck does that make it an old boys network? I know you can occasionally be even more random than me, but this one is really fucking out there.
@nostrildamus said in Foster:
@nostrildamus said in Foster:
Current rant: if NZR and Robinson don't want to be seen as an old boys club why the hell let Foster put his arm on Robinson's shoulder at the press conference..? (End rant)
What the....really? This is getting ridiculous. My manager gives everyone hugs whenever she sees them - does that mean we're part of an old boys club too? What about when I shake hands with other leadership members or give them a pat on the shoulder if I haven't seen them in a while?
Your manager does that at a national press conference while announcing who the coach is?
I don't understand your issue here, it's really bizarre. How the fuck does that make it an old boys network? I know you can occasionally be even more random than me, but this one is really fucking out there.
This is the level of debate on this topic now. Bizarre is the word.
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@chchfanatic said in Foster:
@Crucial 100% source
From the horses mouth?
See, it would show massive incompetence from NZR to actually offer him the job and renege.
If you mean that they lined him up as backup should Foster walk or be pushed and he said he was happy to step in, that is a very different picture and not exactly the 'shafting' that you describe.
Subtle differences in the way a story is spread can massively change the reality.
Not doubting you, just asking.
A few weeks back I had a 'from the horses mouth' bottle of sauce that turned out to be a misinterpretation of a comment made by said person. That's why I double question these things.
@Crucial some people on here know my source.
To be honest I think it’s probably more he was lined up for the job and was very confident he was getting it. Apparently the win changed everything with the board.
His relationship with Jase Ryan is a little fractured at the moment too. Was out of the blue apparently -
@Tim he definitely wanted the job. And was offered it last week. Then shafted this week.
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@chchfanatic said in Foster:
@Tim he definitely wanted the job. And was offered it last week. Then shafted this week.
Are you saying Scott Robertson was offered the AB Head Coach job last week?
@chchfanatic said in Foster:
@Tim he definitely wanted the job. And was offered it last week. Then shafted this week.
Are you saying Scott Robertson was offered the AB Head Coach job last week?
That's what he's saying.
Offer is the wrong word to use I think. Much more likely that he was sounded out prior to SA2 to see if he would step in if the board decided that was the best option.
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@chchfanatic said in Foster:
@Tim he definitely wanted the job. And was offered it last week. Then shafted this week.
Are you saying Scott Robertson was offered the AB Head Coach job last week?
That's what he's saying.
Offer is the wrong word to use I think. Much more likely that he was sounded out prior to SA2 to see if he would step in if the board decided that was the best option.
Maybe more accurate to say he was offered the job if it became available and he wanted it.@Crucial yes your answer is exactly right.
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Randim recap of the last 2 weeks for me:
Still not 100% convinced by Foster as a coach but after Ellis Park really hope he and the team can kick on. His team has the cojones though.
But am impressed by the way he's carried himself and you can see why the players and coaching staff are incredibly loyal to him. That's a very good thing.
NZR have realized the mess they have made and have started to build bridges with the players. Another a good thing.
Signs the media feeding frenzy has ended.
There's now clarity and stability going forward. Good thing in many ways but just really hope there's a Plan B and risk assessment in place if it's needed.
(Writing this in the garden in Cornwall drinking a a Macon Village and watching shooting stars and talking about NZ rugby. Fuck, we live in a amazing world don't we? )
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Vic had some rain yet? First rain in donkeys in Slough. It's a beautiful thing. Got some red Saharan sand on the roof blown over across the Med What is the world coming to
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@Crucial yes your answer is exactly right.
@chchfanatic said in Foster:
@Crucial yes your answer is exactly right.
So not shafted, just not eventuated. That, at least, is good management. No use firing Foster if there is no one to take over. And if he didn't get the offer, just a sounding, then no foul. Obviously NZR and Board are a bunch of rugby hating buffoons, by deciding one good game (plus 2 good quarters) out of 7 is a good thing, but at least in this case it was good management.
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@chchfanatic said in Foster:
@Crucial yes your answer is exactly right.
So not shafted, just not eventuated. That, at least, is good management. No use firing Foster if there is no one to take over. And if he didn't get the offer, just a sounding, then no foul. Obviously NZR and Board are a bunch of rugby hating buffoons, by deciding one good game (plus 2 good quarters) out of 7 is a good thing, but at least in this case it was good management.
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Vic had some rain yet? First rain in donkeys in Slough. It's a beautiful thing. Got some red Saharan sand on the roof blown over across the Med What is the world coming to
@BerniesCorner said in Foster:
Vic had some rain yet? First rain in donkeys in Slough. It's a beautiful thing. Got some red Saharan sand on the roof blown over across the Med What is the world coming to
Loads of rain and spectacular thunderstorms. Waterspouts in Fowey harbour.
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Yep the weather is totally screwed
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Pretty Happy that Schmidt and Ryan will have a big influence going forward. At least they can see from the outside how shit it has been and make changes. The key is Foster listening and letting them make the necesarry changes.
Pretty Happy that Schmidt and Ryan will have a big influence going forward. At least they can see from the outside how shit it has been and make changes. The key is Foster listening and letting them make the necesarry changes.
Schmidt's involvement is Foster's idea. He's been trying to bring him on board for two years.
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Vic had some rain yet? First rain in donkeys in Slough. It's a beautiful thing. Got some red Saharan sand on the roof blown over across the Med What is the world coming to
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An oldie but a goodie. It's actually changing X rail and all that
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@Donsteppa said in Foster:
, in the same way that Brian Lochore arguably did for Laurie's shambolic 1994 All Blacks efforts leading in to the '95 RWC campaign
Forgot about this. Lochore was a great coach. He never really got the credit he deserved for the first RWC win. It sort-of went to Hart and Wylie. At least until neither won when it mattered most
He never really got the credit he deserved for the first RWC win.
Huh? I don't think that is true at all.
I'm with Neps here.
@Donsteppa said in Foster:
, in the same way that Brian Lochore arguably did for Laurie's shambolic 1994 All Blacks efforts leading in to the '95 RWC campaign
Forgot about this. Lochore was a great coach. He never really got the credit he deserved for the first RWC win. It sort-of went to Hart and Wylie. At least until neither won when it mattered most
He never really got the credit he deserved for the first RWC win.
Huh? I don't think that is true at all.
I'm with Neps here.
OK. My recollection is that the media was either big Hart or big Wylie fans. And it was having them on board was such a big factor. That only changed later on
But maybe I'm wrong
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Excellent. Another 150 pages of this thread.
A quick summary in case you needed it... :
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Foster should never have been appointed in the first place
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We need to sack Foster and appoint Robertson now
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Robertson wouldn't want to take over after Foster
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Foster will never sack his assistants as they are "family"
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Foster has hung his assistants out to dry by getting rid of them
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Foster is fat
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The players say they support Foster but they are just saying that coz (insert preferred reason here)
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It's going to take some time to turn around Foster's mess and it's silly to say new coach will achieve instant results
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Jason Ryan has achieved miracles in two weeks
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Robertson wouldn't want to take over after Foster anyway and Robertson's too good a coach to want to work with Foster as an Assistant
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NZR have completely lost the plot and Foster should never have been appointed in the first place
Classic Fern thread
@Victor-Meldrew You could have posted that earlier and saved me wading through 350 posts to catch up on this thread.
A thread I had avoided as I assumed it would be same same.
It was.
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