All Blacks v Pumas 1
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@Crucial said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Where we trip up is when the opposition play an accurate game and, not only don't make errors but don't allow us to pressure them either by fronting up. That's where we need to find the something else and stand up to the 'bullies'. Such is rugby.
This is the worry for the RWC if we do not fix it.
World Cups are usually won with the accurate game,Rarely on individual brilliance.It is normally won on accurate set piece,Great defensive structures, good field position through a kicking game and a very low error rate.
@Chris said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Crucial said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Where we trip up is when the opposition play an accurate game and, not only don't make errors but don't allow us to pressure them either by fronting up. That's where we need to find the something else and stand up to the 'bullies'. Such is rugby.
This is the worry for the RWC if we do not fix it.
World Cups are usually won with the accurate game,Rarely on individual brilliance.It is normally won on accurate set piece,Great defensive structures, good field position through a kicking game and a very low error rate.
My take is that they are won by forcing an inaccurate game from the opposition and having individual and team brilliance to take advantage.
Brilliant moments have often secured or established wins at RWC. You just have to work for them not sit back and wait (which is what we ahve been guilty of)
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@Crucial said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Tim said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Watching the video of the presser in that article makes me wish I knew more about body language. To me Foster looks very secure and confident while Robinson is almost squirming.
I think it is because Foster carried himself with dignity, Robinson, not so much.
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Los Pumas have come out of the gate in both Tests, so we'll need to get another good start. Despite the score line in their second game against Oz, I felt the ball bounced their way at almost every opportunity. They'll be a threat but if we front like we did against the Boks, we should come out of it with another in the win column.
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Los Pumas have come out of the gate in both Tests, so we'll need to get another good start. Despite the score line in their second game against Oz, I felt the ball bounced their way at almost every opportunity. They'll be a threat but if we front like we did against the Boks, we should come out of it with another in the win column.
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Los Pumas have come out of the gate in both Tests,
getting off to a good start is something we need to work on, slow starts in 4 of the last 5 tests, and when you are struggling with timing, cohesion etc, it makes it that much harder to come back from.
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@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@nzzp said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Bones said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Bones said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Do the ABs do public training runs? If so, anyone know where and when they are training this week in Christchurch? I am guessing Rugby Park?
Ohhh suuuuure, like we're going to give you the whereabouts of Foster. Want to know good grassy knoll hiding spots too?
Fuck, I didn't think anyone on here was smart enough to work out my plan.
Fuck off and find your own spot, you're knocking my rifle cradle.
you boys are no @Snowy
@Snowy is helping with the clean up and disposal.
I assume that you are still the long arm of the law so I’d just be helping the police with their “enquiries”.
Best way to dispose of “stuff” is online auction from a storage unit. Just saying.
@Snowy said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@nzzp said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Bones said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Bones said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Do the ABs do public training runs? If so, anyone know where and when they are training this week in Christchurch? I am guessing Rugby Park?
Ohhh suuuuure, like we're going to give you the whereabouts of Foster. Want to know good grassy knoll hiding spots too?
Fuck, I didn't think anyone on here was smart enough to work out my plan.
Fuck off and find your own spot, you're knocking my rifle cradle.
you boys are no @Snowy
@Snowy is helping with the clean up and disposal.
I assume that you are still the long arm of the law so I’d just be helping the police with their “enquiries”.
Best way to dispose of “stuff” is online auction from a storage unit. Just saying.
Welcome back mate. I think…
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For the sake of all fun loving rugby fans, there is no way we could beat losing to a Cheika led Argies team right now. Excruciating.
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With no Ofa or Nepo, it looks unlikely that there will be a change to front row players that played on SA 2.
Just a question on who starts up front. I’d go with the same starters and possibly give Newell a shot at starting in game 2.
Not that o thought he was a genuine chance, but with Tuipoluto’s injury, and Retallick getting the HB shield match, the Scooter, Sam and Vaa’i trio looks locked in. I wouldn’t mind seeing Dickson in there or against the Aussies as I think there is real promise.
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@FakatavaAllBlack said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Josh Dickson debut off the bench this weekend yes or no?
I don't think he will, Whitelock,Barrett Starting Vaa'i on the bench is what I think will be selected..
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I think they will roll out the same 23 as long as there are no injuries. Only possibilities being giving Sotutu a run (Ioane to stand aside) and if the tapes of Argentina v Oz show a potential late in the game the using Fakatava's running game could be tried.
I also wish that we were secure enough to dump BB for a game (Perofeta on bench) based on being the most recent Barrett to do something really dumbE. L. de Groot
S. F. S. Taukei'aho
T. S. Lomax
S. L. Whitelock
S. K. Barrett
S. M. Frizell
S. J. Cane (C)
A. S. Savea
A. L. Smith
R. F. Mo'unga
C. D. Clarke
D. K. Havili
R. E. Ioane
W. T. Jordan
J. M. BarrettRESERVES
C. J. D. Taylor
G. G. Bower
F. D. Newell
T. P. O. Vaa'i
A. L. Ioane / Sotutu
F. T. Christie / Fakatava
B. J. Barrett
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I think they will roll out the same 23 as long as there are no injuries. Only possibilities being giving Sotutu a run (Ioane to stand aside) and if the tapes of Argentina v Oz show a potential late in the game the using Fakatava's running game could be tried.
I also wish that we were secure enough to dump BB for a game (Perofeta on bench) based on being the most recent Barrett to do something really dumbE. L. de Groot
S. F. S. Taukei'aho
T. S. Lomax
S. L. Whitelock
S. K. Barrett
S. M. Frizell
S. J. Cane (C)
A. S. Savea
A. L. Smith
R. F. Mo'unga
C. D. Clarke
D. K. Havili
R. E. Ioane
W. T. Jordan
J. M. BarrettRESERVES
C. J. D. Taylor
G. G. Bower
F. D. Newell
T. P. O. Vaa'i
A. L. Ioane / Sotutu
F. T. Christie / Fakatava
B. J. Barrett
Q. P. C. Tupaea -
@Crucial said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
the most recent Barrett to do something really dumb
You mean the YC for the push off the ball?
Some may say it was quite smart and calculated given proximity to the line...
@booboo said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Crucial said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
the most recent Barrett to do something really dumb
You mean the YC for the push off the ball?
Some may say it was quite smart and calculated given proximity to the line...
If so then he decided it would have been a try otherwise. Lucky that Pearce didn't think the same. Was a fine margin IMO.
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Think they'll pick the same team as Boer II as much as possible and try to build on that win. Less mistakes, bit better positioning out wide, that sort of thing. If things are going well, the likes of Paps, Sotutu, Vai'i and QT given more game time than usual - think it's a bit early to have RTS on the bench for Pumas 1 but expect some serious game time in the next match.
The Pumas won't be a pushover so a decent win would be show some consistency and wouldn't that be a good thing?
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@Crucial you get what people mean surely
other teams might spend time building phases, working their way up field and yes....the perfect dummy or skip pass puts someone over the line
We try and do our moment of brilliance inside out own half and strike from anywhere without the graft to put them in a position where it is more likely to work
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Crucial you get what people mean surely
other teams might spend time building phases, working their way up field and yes....the perfect dummy or skip pass puts someone over the line
We try and do our moment of brilliance inside out own half and strike from anywhere without the graft to put them in a position where it is more likely to work
Don't we need to do both?
There was a fair bit of that in Boer II, IIRC.
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Think they'll pick the same team as Boer II as much as possible and try to build on that win. Less mistakes, bit better positioning out wide, that sort of thing. If things are going well, the likes of Paps, Sotutu, Vai'i and QT given more game time than usual - think it's a bit early to have RTS on the bench for Pumas 1 but expect some serious game time in the next match.
The Pumas won't be a pushover so a decent win would be show some consistency and wouldn't that be a good thing?
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Think they'll pick the same team as Boer II as much as possible and try to build on that win. Less mistakes, bit better positioning out wide, that sort of thing. If things are going well, the likes of Paps, Sotutu, Vai'i and QT given more game time than usual - think it's a bit early to have RTS on the bench for Pumas 1 but expect some serious game time in the next match.
The Pumas won't be a pushover so a decent win would be show some consistency and wouldn't that be a good thing?
Fewer.
Just saying.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Think they'll pick the same team as Boer II as much as possible and try to build on that win. Less mistakes, bit better positioning out wide, that sort of thing. If things are going well, the likes of Paps, Sotutu, Vai'i and QT given more game time than usual - think it's a bit early to have RTS on the bench for Pumas 1 but expect some serious game time in the next match.
The Pumas won't be a pushover so a decent win would be show some consistency and wouldn't that be a good thing?
Fewer.
Just saying.
@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Think they'll pick the same team as Boer II as much as possible and try to build on that win. Less mistakes, bit better positioning out wide, that sort of thing. If things are going well, the likes of Paps, Sotutu, Vai'i and QT given more game time than usual - think it's a bit early to have RTS on the bench for Pumas 1 but expect some serious game time in the next match.
The Pumas won't be a pushover so a decent win would be show some consistency and wouldn't that be a good thing?
Fewer.
Just saying.
I dunno, some of the errors were pretty voluminous.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Think they'll pick the same team as Boer II as much as possible and try to build on that win. Less mistakes, bit better positioning out wide, that sort of thing. If things are going well, the likes of Paps, Sotutu, Vai'i and QT given more game time than usual - think it's a bit early to have RTS on the bench for Pumas 1 but expect some serious game time in the next match.
The Pumas won't be a pushover so a decent win would be show some consistency and wouldn't that be a good thing?
Fewer.
Just saying.
@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Think they'll pick the same team as Boer II as much as possible and try to build on that win. Less mistakes, bit better positioning out wide, that sort of thing. If things are going well, the likes of Paps, Sotutu, Vai'i and QT given more game time than usual - think it's a bit early to have RTS on the bench for Pumas 1 but expect some serious game time in the next match.
The Pumas won't be a pushover so a decent win would be show some consistency and wouldn't that be a good thing?
Fewer.
Just saying.
But not all mistakes all countable, e.g. players not positioning well. Fewer knock-ons and penalties is correct as it's definitive/countable. Less mistakes is equally correct as it includes non-countable stuff.
Hope that's clear.... :fishing_pole:
