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  • taniwharugbyT taniwharugby

    @Tim said in Foster:

    We will lose to Australia this year, unless we get rid of these fucking losers.

    Seriously though, after what transpired last week, unless Fozzie walks, there is zero chance he leaves, and lets just say he did leave or they did sack him, who would want to take this on right now?

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    @taniwharugby said in Foster:

    @Tim said in Foster:

    We will lose to Australia this year, unless we get rid of these fucking losers.

    Seriously though, after what transpired last week, unless Fozzie walks, there is zero chance he leaves, and lets just say he did leave or they did sack him, who would want to take this on right now?

    I would. And I'd keep posting here post match too.

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      #3151

      Michael Shannon Revolutionary Road -

      "Plenty of people are on to the emptiness, but, it takes real guts to see the hopelessness."

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        #3152

        https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/opinion/300672814/new-zealand-rugby-stands-culpable-as-crumbling-all-blacks-sink-to-historic-ignominy

        Stuff are really putting the boots in. Finally

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          #3153

          https://twitter.com/JamesMcOnie/status/1563683720124837888

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          • M Machpants

            https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/opinion/300672814/new-zealand-rugby-stands-culpable-as-crumbling-all-blacks-sink-to-historic-ignominy

            Stuff are really putting the boots in. Finally

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            KiwiMurph
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            #3154

            @Machpants said in Foster:

            https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/opinion/300672814/new-zealand-rugby-stands-culpable-as-crumbling-all-blacks-sink-to-historic-ignominy

            Stuff are really putting the boots in. Finally

            Good article.

            How many bad decisions has Robinson made? I'm starting to lose count.

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            • Chester DrawsC Chester Draws

              @taniwharugby

              A chance to coach the All Blacks? Loads of people would take it. Leon McDonald, say, or Clayton McMillan. They would have to wait decades to see their next chance.

              It's so bad now that most halfway qualified coaches would be a step up.

              Sure it would be a gamble, but I would rather see that than an inevitable decline further.

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              taniwharugby
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              #3155

              @Chester-Draws well given only 2 serious applicants in 2019 and how NZR have handled themselves in recent weeks, the state the squad, confidence-wise, I dont think it is as plum of a gig as you think!

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              • taniwharugbyT taniwharugby

                @Chester-Draws well given only 2 serious applicants in 2019 and how NZR have handled themselves in recent weeks, the state the squad, confidence-wise, I dont think it is as plum of a gig as you think!

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                I don't mind so much losing the Bled. It would be to a Kiwi coach. And arguably the Wallabies are playing fresher, more inventive rugby.

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                • M Machpants

                  https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/opinion/300672814/new-zealand-rugby-stands-culpable-as-crumbling-all-blacks-sink-to-historic-ignominy

                  Stuff are really putting the boots in. Finally

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                  #3157

                  @Machpants said in Foster:

                  https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/opinion/300672814/new-zealand-rugby-stands-culpable-as-crumbling-all-blacks-sink-to-historic-ignominy

                  Stuff are really putting the boots in. Finally

                  Key point explaining the lack of self-awareness.
                  "The senior players gathered behind “our coach” and backed the bloke that picks them. (Big surprise!)"

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                  • taniwharugbyT taniwharugby

                    @Chester-Draws well given only 2 serious applicants in 2019 and how NZR have handled themselves in recent weeks, the state the squad, confidence-wise, I dont think it is as plum of a gig as you think!

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                    @taniwharugby said in Foster:

                    @Chester-Draws well given only 2 serious applicants in 2019 and how NZR have handled themselves in recent weeks, the state the squad, confidence-wise, I dont think it is as plum of a gig as you think!

                    The lack of applicants in 2019 was because the NZR made it very clear that Foster was going to get it. So the other potential applicants (Rennie, Joseph) went out and looked for other jobs -- and unsurprisingly found good ones, given their quality. In the meantime we have some new talent coming through, with McDonald -- who has been able to turn around a team in a similar rut -- and older ones like Gatland who might like it to round off his CV.

                    The confidence of the players will revive pretty quickly. It only took one win in Africa to make them much happier.

                    I also think the new coach will see out almost all the current board of the NZR. How many of the fish-heads are going to be reappointed after this debacle? Apparently not even one had the gumption to vote against Foster.

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                    • Chester DrawsC Chester Draws

                      @taniwharugby said in Foster:

                      @Chester-Draws well given only 2 serious applicants in 2019 and how NZR have handled themselves in recent weeks, the state the squad, confidence-wise, I dont think it is as plum of a gig as you think!

                      The lack of applicants in 2019 was because the NZR made it very clear that Foster was going to get it. So the other potential applicants (Rennie, Joseph) went out and looked for other jobs -- and unsurprisingly found good ones, given their quality. In the meantime we have some new talent coming through, with McDonald -- who has been able to turn around a team in a similar rut -- and older ones like Gatland who might like it to round off his CV.

                      The confidence of the players will revive pretty quickly. It only took one win in Africa to make them much happier.

                      I also think the new coach will see out almost all the current board of the NZR. How many of the fish-heads are going to be reappointed after this debacle? Apparently not even one had the gumption to vote against Foster.

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                      #3159

                      @Chester-Draws yep, i think we need to see someone higher up in nzr fall now.before fozzie moves on, or both do so....like dominoes

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                        This really pisses me off - weak sauce 'reasons'. Ignoring that Sami was on fire and hoping the combo approach would see a full front row change work out. If both props had niggles then why put them back onfield after a 10min break ffs? I know they were probably getting some treatment but that doesn't stack up imo.

                        The comments on Perofeta are infuriating - “Again, Stephen was a guy we really wanted to get on, we think he can inject stuff into our attack with his footwork and his second receiver role. But it was a game that didn’t quite flow that way.”

                        You fuckers put him on with 55 seconds to go. That is the dumbest shit I've heard and makes him look even more foolish. Yeah we thought this guy could really help crack open the game, but we waited till the game was all but over so we could really surprise the Pumas!! They didn't see it coming, suckers!

                        oh... wait.

                        https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/300672879/all-blacks-coach-ian-foster-defends-timing-of-substitutions-in-another-test-loss

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                        • PaekakboyzP Paekakboyz

                          This really pisses me off - weak sauce 'reasons'. Ignoring that Sami was on fire and hoping the combo approach would see a full front row change work out. If both props had niggles then why put them back onfield after a 10min break ffs? I know they were probably getting some treatment but that doesn't stack up imo.

                          The comments on Perofeta are infuriating - “Again, Stephen was a guy we really wanted to get on, we think he can inject stuff into our attack with his footwork and his second receiver role. But it was a game that didn’t quite flow that way.”

                          You fuckers put him on with 55 seconds to go. That is the dumbest shit I've heard and makes him look even more foolish. Yeah we thought this guy could really help crack open the game, but we waited till the game was all but over so we could really surprise the Pumas!! They didn't see it coming, suckers!

                          oh... wait.

                          https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/300672879/all-blacks-coach-ian-foster-defends-timing-of-substitutions-in-another-test-loss

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                          #3161

                          @Paekakboyz The fact that foster thinks some slick footwork would’ve saved the ABs is all you need to know. Perofeta would have been smashed just like every other AB was.

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                          • PaekakboyzP Paekakboyz

                            This really pisses me off - weak sauce 'reasons'. Ignoring that Sami was on fire and hoping the combo approach would see a full front row change work out. If both props had niggles then why put them back onfield after a 10min break ffs? I know they were probably getting some treatment but that doesn't stack up imo.

                            The comments on Perofeta are infuriating - “Again, Stephen was a guy we really wanted to get on, we think he can inject stuff into our attack with his footwork and his second receiver role. But it was a game that didn’t quite flow that way.”

                            You fuckers put him on with 55 seconds to go. That is the dumbest shit I've heard and makes him look even more foolish. Yeah we thought this guy could really help crack open the game, but we waited till the game was all but over so we could really surprise the Pumas!! They didn't see it coming, suckers!

                            oh... wait.

                            https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/300672879/all-blacks-coach-ian-foster-defends-timing-of-substitutions-in-another-test-loss

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                            @Paekakboyz yes I was thinking he really did foul up the substituting. Mental stuff.

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                            • broughieB broughie

                              @Paekakboyz The fact that foster thinks some slick footwork would’ve saved the ABs is all you need to know. Perofeta would have been smashed just like every other AB was.

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                              Paekakboyz
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                              #3163

                              @broughie I think he could have made a difference in the first 40, but that would have unraveled the starting backline. He wouldn't start at 10 so would that mean jordie to 12 and Perofeta at 15? Setting aside the case for Will to be the starting 15.

                              They select their way in to deadends and stick with players who aren't performing.

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                              • BartManB BartMan

                                @Paekakboyz yes I was thinking he really did foul up the substituting. Mental stuff.

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                                Damo
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                                #3164

                                Aaron Smith coming off with 20 to go was poor as well. He was playing OK, but more to the point what we needed was experience and cool heads, not a guy with basically no experience.

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                                  #3165

                                  Perofeta deserved to get selected in the squad from his form but given the zero faith shown in him they might as well have selected another player and had Jordie as the 3rd 10.

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                                  • PaekakboyzP Paekakboyz

                                    @broughie I think he could have made a difference in the first 40, but that would have unraveled the starting backline. He wouldn't start at 10 so would that mean jordie to 12 and Perofeta at 15? Setting aside the case for Will to be the starting 15.

                                    They select their way in to deadends and stick with players who aren't performing.

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                                    @Paekakboyz That’s true. I think he was really just cover though. If they wanted to play him he would have been on earlier. Bringing him on with a minute to play is crazy. You could see it happening if we were winning otherwise what was foster thinking. Prolly on his pre scripted list of this to do like under utilize ST.

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                                      Machpants
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                                      #3167

                                      I hope paul is right, and that means I can watch a victory under Razor at Eden Park!

                                      Hamilton has been called many things, even rocked a slogan for a while proclaiming to be not as bad as people thought, but this week it will be cast in a new role as destiny-maker.

                                      One more loss for the All Blacks this week and Hamilton has to be the end of the line for head coach Ian Foster and many in his wider management team.

                                      One more loss and Hamilton, for the sake of a legacy 120 years in the making, has to be the terminus.

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                                      • M Machpants

                                        I hope paul is right, and that means I can watch a victory under Razor at Eden Park!

                                        Hamilton has been called many things, even rocked a slogan for a while proclaiming to be not as bad as people thought, but this week it will be cast in a new role as destiny-maker.

                                        One more loss for the All Blacks this week and Hamilton has to be the end of the line for head coach Ian Foster and many in his wider management team.

                                        One more loss and Hamilton, for the sake of a legacy 120 years in the making, has to be the terminus.

                                        KiwiMurphK Online
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                                        KiwiMurph
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                                        @Machpants said in Foster:

                                        I hope paul is right, and that means I can watch a victory under Razor at Marvel Stadium in Melbourne!

                                        My take

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                                        • Chester DrawsC Chester Draws

                                          @taniwharugby said in Foster:

                                          @Chester-Draws well given only 2 serious applicants in 2019 and how NZR have handled themselves in recent weeks, the state the squad, confidence-wise, I dont think it is as plum of a gig as you think!

                                          The lack of applicants in 2019 was because the NZR made it very clear that Foster was going to get it. So the other potential applicants (Rennie, Joseph) went out and looked for other jobs -- and unsurprisingly found good ones, given their quality. In the meantime we have some new talent coming through, with McDonald -- who has been able to turn around a team in a similar rut -- and older ones like Gatland who might like it to round off his CV.

                                          The confidence of the players will revive pretty quickly. It only took one win in Africa to make them much happier.

                                          I also think the new coach will see out almost all the current board of the NZR. How many of the fish-heads are going to be reappointed after this debacle? Apparently not even one had the gumption to vote against Foster.

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                                          Derpus
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                                          @Chester-Draws RA/Raelene tied Rennie up early - before NZR put out a call for applications. He was never a realistic option.

                                          I also doubt Joseph was a realistic option. Pretty sure he'd be earning a mint coaching Japan.

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