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@Crucial said in All Black backline:
@No-Quarter said in All Black backline:
@reprobate said in All Black backline:
Rieko still runs like a winger. His first thought is evading the tackle himself rather than holding the space and putting someone into it. He runs his outsides out of space looking for the outside break. His passing isn't all that accurate, and when quick hands are called for, he often doesn't have them. We aren't blessed with a whole lot of options right now, but it is still a contrast from Goodhue or even Tupaea or Nankivell.
He's got massive strengths, and the upside of all that pace is very tempting if he can continue to improve the other aspects. He's also got big weaknesses in defence and just general error rate.
The basic problem is not the player, it's that we'll never see him at his best in this disfunctional team pattern: we don't use his pace or give him space, so all we are left with is poor defensive communication and a couple of turnovers per game.
The bolded bit - Clarke's try was created by Rieko holding 2 defenders and putting Jordie through the gap. I don't think you realise how much he's developed at 13, he's been leading the way in try assists for the Blues (and probably SR but I'm too lazy to look it up)
The problem with Rieko isn't that he can't do all the things you talk about, it's that he gets the ball and defender at the same because because of our braindead flat & wide formation.
At Ellis Park our backline looked shit hot despite RM and DH having erratic games because we stood deeper and gave players like Rieko a chance to run the ball.
@mariner4life is right when he says it doesn't actually matter who we pick if we continue with that dumb flat formation on attack.
We don't know if that was the coaches or the players though. Post game comments implied that it was the players that didn't hold depth and were over eager.
if you tell the players to do one thing, and they do another, and then lose, repeatedly, you drop them.
@mariner4life said in All Black backline:
@Crucial said in All Black backline:
@No-Quarter said in All Black backline:
@reprobate said in All Black backline:
Rieko still runs like a winger. His first thought is evading the tackle himself rather than holding the space and putting someone into it. He runs his outsides out of space looking for the outside break. His passing isn't all that accurate, and when quick hands are called for, he often doesn't have them. We aren't blessed with a whole lot of options right now, but it is still a contrast from Goodhue or even Tupaea or Nankivell.
He's got massive strengths, and the upside of all that pace is very tempting if he can continue to improve the other aspects. He's also got big weaknesses in defence and just general error rate.
The basic problem is not the player, it's that we'll never see him at his best in this disfunctional team pattern: we don't use his pace or give him space, so all we are left with is poor defensive communication and a couple of turnovers per game.
The bolded bit - Clarke's try was created by Rieko holding 2 defenders and putting Jordie through the gap. I don't think you realise how much he's developed at 13, he's been leading the way in try assists for the Blues (and probably SR but I'm too lazy to look it up)
The problem with Rieko isn't that he can't do all the things you talk about, it's that he gets the ball and defender at the same because because of our braindead flat & wide formation.
At Ellis Park our backline looked shit hot despite RM and DH having erratic games because we stood deeper and gave players like Rieko a chance to run the ball.
@mariner4life is right when he says it doesn't actually matter who we pick if we continue with that dumb flat formation on attack.
We don't know if that was the coaches or the players though. Post game comments implied that it was the players that didn't hold depth and were over eager.
if you tell the players to do one thing, and they do another, and then lose, repeatedly, you drop them.
True dat.
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@mariner4life said in All Black backline:
@Crucial said in All Black backline:
@No-Quarter said in All Black backline:
@reprobate said in All Black backline:
Rieko still runs like a winger. His first thought is evading the tackle himself rather than holding the space and putting someone into it. He runs his outsides out of space looking for the outside break. His passing isn't all that accurate, and when quick hands are called for, he often doesn't have them. We aren't blessed with a whole lot of options right now, but it is still a contrast from Goodhue or even Tupaea or Nankivell.
He's got massive strengths, and the upside of all that pace is very tempting if he can continue to improve the other aspects. He's also got big weaknesses in defence and just general error rate.
The basic problem is not the player, it's that we'll never see him at his best in this disfunctional team pattern: we don't use his pace or give him space, so all we are left with is poor defensive communication and a couple of turnovers per game.
The bolded bit - Clarke's try was created by Rieko holding 2 defenders and putting Jordie through the gap. I don't think you realise how much he's developed at 13, he's been leading the way in try assists for the Blues (and probably SR but I'm too lazy to look it up)
The problem with Rieko isn't that he can't do all the things you talk about, it's that he gets the ball and defender at the same because because of our braindead flat & wide formation.
At Ellis Park our backline looked shit hot despite RM and DH having erratic games because we stood deeper and gave players like Rieko a chance to run the ball.
@mariner4life is right when he says it doesn't actually matter who we pick if we continue with that dumb flat formation on attack.
We don't know if that was the coaches or the players though. Post game comments implied that it was the players that didn't hold depth and were over eager.
if you tell the players to do one thing, and they do another, and then lose, repeatedly, you drop them.
Maybe the players are not listening because they do not trust or believe in the messages being sent to them.
@Chris said in All Black backline:
@mariner4life said in All Black backline:
@Crucial said in All Black backline:
@No-Quarter said in All Black backline:
@reprobate said in All Black backline:
Rieko still runs like a winger. His first thought is evading the tackle himself rather than holding the space and putting someone into it. He runs his outsides out of space looking for the outside break. His passing isn't all that accurate, and when quick hands are called for, he often doesn't have them. We aren't blessed with a whole lot of options right now, but it is still a contrast from Goodhue or even Tupaea or Nankivell.
He's got massive strengths, and the upside of all that pace is very tempting if he can continue to improve the other aspects. He's also got big weaknesses in defence and just general error rate.
The basic problem is not the player, it's that we'll never see him at his best in this disfunctional team pattern: we don't use his pace or give him space, so all we are left with is poor defensive communication and a couple of turnovers per game.
The bolded bit - Clarke's try was created by Rieko holding 2 defenders and putting Jordie through the gap. I don't think you realise how much he's developed at 13, he's been leading the way in try assists for the Blues (and probably SR but I'm too lazy to look it up)
The problem with Rieko isn't that he can't do all the things you talk about, it's that he gets the ball and defender at the same because because of our braindead flat & wide formation.
At Ellis Park our backline looked shit hot despite RM and DH having erratic games because we stood deeper and gave players like Rieko a chance to run the ball.
@mariner4life is right when he says it doesn't actually matter who we pick if we continue with that dumb flat formation on attack.
We don't know if that was the coaches or the players though. Post game comments implied that it was the players that didn't hold depth and were over eager.
if you tell the players to do one thing, and they do another, and then lose, repeatedly, you drop them.
Maybe the players are not listening because they do not trust or believe in the messages being sent to them.
Possibly true, but if so they are lying when they publicly say otherwise.
My guess. They revert to type under pressure. Every team now sees that if you pressure the ABs hard they will make errors that keep you in the game.
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@Chris said in All Black backline:
@mariner4life said in All Black backline:
@Crucial said in All Black backline:
@No-Quarter said in All Black backline:
@reprobate said in All Black backline:
Rieko still runs like a winger. His first thought is evading the tackle himself rather than holding the space and putting someone into it. He runs his outsides out of space looking for the outside break. His passing isn't all that accurate, and when quick hands are called for, he often doesn't have them. We aren't blessed with a whole lot of options right now, but it is still a contrast from Goodhue or even Tupaea or Nankivell.
He's got massive strengths, and the upside of all that pace is very tempting if he can continue to improve the other aspects. He's also got big weaknesses in defence and just general error rate.
The basic problem is not the player, it's that we'll never see him at his best in this disfunctional team pattern: we don't use his pace or give him space, so all we are left with is poor defensive communication and a couple of turnovers per game.
The bolded bit - Clarke's try was created by Rieko holding 2 defenders and putting Jordie through the gap. I don't think you realise how much he's developed at 13, he's been leading the way in try assists for the Blues (and probably SR but I'm too lazy to look it up)
The problem with Rieko isn't that he can't do all the things you talk about, it's that he gets the ball and defender at the same because because of our braindead flat & wide formation.
At Ellis Park our backline looked shit hot despite RM and DH having erratic games because we stood deeper and gave players like Rieko a chance to run the ball.
@mariner4life is right when he says it doesn't actually matter who we pick if we continue with that dumb flat formation on attack.
We don't know if that was the coaches or the players though. Post game comments implied that it was the players that didn't hold depth and were over eager.
if you tell the players to do one thing, and they do another, and then lose, repeatedly, you drop them.
Maybe the players are not listening because they do not trust or believe in the messages being sent to them.
Possibly true, but if so they are lying when they publicly say otherwise.
My guess. They revert to type under pressure. Every team now sees that if you pressure the ABs hard they will make errors that keep you in the game.
@Crucial said in All Black backline:
@Chris said in All Black backline:
@mariner4life said in All Black backline:
@Crucial said in All Black backline:
@No-Quarter said in All Black backline:
@reprobate said in All Black backline:
Rieko still runs like a winger. His first thought is evading the tackle himself rather than holding the space and putting someone into it. He runs his outsides out of space looking for the outside break. His passing isn't all that accurate, and when quick hands are called for, he often doesn't have them. We aren't blessed with a whole lot of options right now, but it is still a contrast from Goodhue or even Tupaea or Nankivell.
He's got massive strengths, and the upside of all that pace is very tempting if he can continue to improve the other aspects. He's also got big weaknesses in defence and just general error rate.
The basic problem is not the player, it's that we'll never see him at his best in this disfunctional team pattern: we don't use his pace or give him space, so all we are left with is poor defensive communication and a couple of turnovers per game.
The bolded bit - Clarke's try was created by Rieko holding 2 defenders and putting Jordie through the gap. I don't think you realise how much he's developed at 13, he's been leading the way in try assists for the Blues (and probably SR but I'm too lazy to look it up)
The problem with Rieko isn't that he can't do all the things you talk about, it's that he gets the ball and defender at the same because because of our braindead flat & wide formation.
At Ellis Park our backline looked shit hot despite RM and DH having erratic games because we stood deeper and gave players like Rieko a chance to run the ball.
@mariner4life is right when he says it doesn't actually matter who we pick if we continue with that dumb flat formation on attack.
We don't know if that was the coaches or the players though. Post game comments implied that it was the players that didn't hold depth and were over eager.
if you tell the players to do one thing, and they do another, and then lose, repeatedly, you drop them.
Maybe the players are not listening because they do not trust or believe in the messages being sent to them.
Possibly true, but if so they are lying when they publicly say otherwise.
My guess. They revert to type under pressure. Every team now sees that if you pressure the ABs hard they will make errors that keep you in the game.
Yeah no doubt, not trusting the systems as well is why they revert back if something is not working you revert back under pressure what you know which normally is want you are doing at training.
when you come into environments that are not winning the training is what you need to break down first, training the wrong way means you play the wrong way.
If training is replicating the pressure on the field it is easier to stay in the zone under pressure in the game.
It tells me the Ab's are not confident in their systems on and off the field because it is not working.
Logical thing then is to revert back to what you know. -
@Crucial said in All Black backline:
@Chris said in All Black backline:
@mariner4life said in All Black backline:
@Crucial said in All Black backline:
@No-Quarter said in All Black backline:
@reprobate said in All Black backline:
Rieko still runs like a winger. His first thought is evading the tackle himself rather than holding the space and putting someone into it. He runs his outsides out of space looking for the outside break. His passing isn't all that accurate, and when quick hands are called for, he often doesn't have them. We aren't blessed with a whole lot of options right now, but it is still a contrast from Goodhue or even Tupaea or Nankivell.
He's got massive strengths, and the upside of all that pace is very tempting if he can continue to improve the other aspects. He's also got big weaknesses in defence and just general error rate.
The basic problem is not the player, it's that we'll never see him at his best in this disfunctional team pattern: we don't use his pace or give him space, so all we are left with is poor defensive communication and a couple of turnovers per game.
The bolded bit - Clarke's try was created by Rieko holding 2 defenders and putting Jordie through the gap. I don't think you realise how much he's developed at 13, he's been leading the way in try assists for the Blues (and probably SR but I'm too lazy to look it up)
The problem with Rieko isn't that he can't do all the things you talk about, it's that he gets the ball and defender at the same because because of our braindead flat & wide formation.
At Ellis Park our backline looked shit hot despite RM and DH having erratic games because we stood deeper and gave players like Rieko a chance to run the ball.
@mariner4life is right when he says it doesn't actually matter who we pick if we continue with that dumb flat formation on attack.
We don't know if that was the coaches or the players though. Post game comments implied that it was the players that didn't hold depth and were over eager.
if you tell the players to do one thing, and they do another, and then lose, repeatedly, you drop them.
Maybe the players are not listening because they do not trust or believe in the messages being sent to them.
Possibly true, but if so they are lying when they publicly say otherwise.
My guess. They revert to type under pressure. Every team now sees that if you pressure the ABs hard they will make errors that keep you in the game.
Yeah no doubt, not trusting the systems as well is why they revert back if something is not working you revert back under pressure what you know which normally is want you are doing at training.
when you come into environments that are not winning the training is what you need to break down first, training the wrong way means you play the wrong way.
If training is replicating the pressure on the field it is easier to stay in the zone under pressure in the game.
It tells me the Ab's are not confident in their systems on and off the field because it is not working.
Logical thing then is to revert back to what you know.@Chris said in All Black backline:
@Crucial said in All Black backline:
@Chris said in All Black backline:
@mariner4life said in All Black backline:
@Crucial said in All Black backline:
@No-Quarter said in All Black backline:
@reprobate said in All Black backline:
Rieko still runs like a winger. His first thought is evading the tackle himself rather than holding the space and putting someone into it. He runs his outsides out of space looking for the outside break. His passing isn't all that accurate, and when quick hands are called for, he often doesn't have them. We aren't blessed with a whole lot of options right now, but it is still a contrast from Goodhue or even Tupaea or Nankivell.
He's got massive strengths, and the upside of all that pace is very tempting if he can continue to improve the other aspects. He's also got big weaknesses in defence and just general error rate.
The basic problem is not the player, it's that we'll never see him at his best in this disfunctional team pattern: we don't use his pace or give him space, so all we are left with is poor defensive communication and a couple of turnovers per game.
The bolded bit - Clarke's try was created by Rieko holding 2 defenders and putting Jordie through the gap. I don't think you realise how much he's developed at 13, he's been leading the way in try assists for the Blues (and probably SR but I'm too lazy to look it up)
The problem with Rieko isn't that he can't do all the things you talk about, it's that he gets the ball and defender at the same because because of our braindead flat & wide formation.
At Ellis Park our backline looked shit hot despite RM and DH having erratic games because we stood deeper and gave players like Rieko a chance to run the ball.
@mariner4life is right when he says it doesn't actually matter who we pick if we continue with that dumb flat formation on attack.
We don't know if that was the coaches or the players though. Post game comments implied that it was the players that didn't hold depth and were over eager.
if you tell the players to do one thing, and they do another, and then lose, repeatedly, you drop them.
Maybe the players are not listening because they do not trust or believe in the messages being sent to them.
Possibly true, but if so they are lying when they publicly say otherwise.
My guess. They revert to type under pressure. Every team now sees that if you pressure the ABs hard they will make errors that keep you in the game.
Yeah no doubt, not trusting the systems as well is why they revert back if something is not working you revert back under pressure what you know which normally is want you are doing at training.
when you come into environments that are not winning the training is what you need to break down first, training the wrong way means you play the wrong way.
If training is replicating the pressure on the field it is easier to stay in the zone under pressure in the game.
It tells me the Ab's are not confident in their systems on and off the field because it is not working.
Logical thing then is to revert back to what you know.But hang on, isn't the argument that when they changed by playing deeper and kicking smarter it worked? They have seen success in SA then changed so I don't get your logic
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@Chris said in All Black backline:
@Crucial said in All Black backline:
@Chris said in All Black backline:
@mariner4life said in All Black backline:
@Crucial said in All Black backline:
@No-Quarter said in All Black backline:
@reprobate said in All Black backline:
Rieko still runs like a winger. His first thought is evading the tackle himself rather than holding the space and putting someone into it. He runs his outsides out of space looking for the outside break. His passing isn't all that accurate, and when quick hands are called for, he often doesn't have them. We aren't blessed with a whole lot of options right now, but it is still a contrast from Goodhue or even Tupaea or Nankivell.
He's got massive strengths, and the upside of all that pace is very tempting if he can continue to improve the other aspects. He's also got big weaknesses in defence and just general error rate.
The basic problem is not the player, it's that we'll never see him at his best in this disfunctional team pattern: we don't use his pace or give him space, so all we are left with is poor defensive communication and a couple of turnovers per game.
The bolded bit - Clarke's try was created by Rieko holding 2 defenders and putting Jordie through the gap. I don't think you realise how much he's developed at 13, he's been leading the way in try assists for the Blues (and probably SR but I'm too lazy to look it up)
The problem with Rieko isn't that he can't do all the things you talk about, it's that he gets the ball and defender at the same because because of our braindead flat & wide formation.
At Ellis Park our backline looked shit hot despite RM and DH having erratic games because we stood deeper and gave players like Rieko a chance to run the ball.
@mariner4life is right when he says it doesn't actually matter who we pick if we continue with that dumb flat formation on attack.
We don't know if that was the coaches or the players though. Post game comments implied that it was the players that didn't hold depth and were over eager.
if you tell the players to do one thing, and they do another, and then lose, repeatedly, you drop them.
Maybe the players are not listening because they do not trust or believe in the messages being sent to them.
Possibly true, but if so they are lying when they publicly say otherwise.
My guess. They revert to type under pressure. Every team now sees that if you pressure the ABs hard they will make errors that keep you in the game.
Yeah no doubt, not trusting the systems as well is why they revert back if something is not working you revert back under pressure what you know which normally is want you are doing at training.
when you come into environments that are not winning the training is what you need to break down first, training the wrong way means you play the wrong way.
If training is replicating the pressure on the field it is easier to stay in the zone under pressure in the game.
It tells me the Ab's are not confident in their systems on and off the field because it is not working.
Logical thing then is to revert back to what you know.But hang on, isn't the argument that when they changed by playing deeper and kicking smarter it worked? They have seen success in SA then changed so I don't get your logic
@Crucial said in All Black backline:
@Chris said in All Black backline:
@Crucial said in All Black backline:
@Chris said in All Black backline:
@mariner4life said in All Black backline:
@Crucial said in All Black backline:
@No-Quarter said in All Black backline:
@reprobate said in All Black backline:
Rieko still runs like a winger. His first thought is evading the tackle himself rather than holding the space and putting someone into it. He runs his outsides out of space looking for the outside break. His passing isn't all that accurate, and when quick hands are called for, he often doesn't have them. We aren't blessed with a whole lot of options right now, but it is still a contrast from Goodhue or even Tupaea or Nankivell.
He's got massive strengths, and the upside of all that pace is very tempting if he can continue to improve the other aspects. He's also got big weaknesses in defence and just general error rate.
The basic problem is not the player, it's that we'll never see him at his best in this disfunctional team pattern: we don't use his pace or give him space, so all we are left with is poor defensive communication and a couple of turnovers per game.
The bolded bit - Clarke's try was created by Rieko holding 2 defenders and putting Jordie through the gap. I don't think you realise how much he's developed at 13, he's been leading the way in try assists for the Blues (and probably SR but I'm too lazy to look it up)
The problem with Rieko isn't that he can't do all the things you talk about, it's that he gets the ball and defender at the same because because of our braindead flat & wide formation.
At Ellis Park our backline looked shit hot despite RM and DH having erratic games because we stood deeper and gave players like Rieko a chance to run the ball.
@mariner4life is right when he says it doesn't actually matter who we pick if we continue with that dumb flat formation on attack.
We don't know if that was the coaches or the players though. Post game comments implied that it was the players that didn't hold depth and were over eager.
if you tell the players to do one thing, and they do another, and then lose, repeatedly, you drop them.
Maybe the players are not listening because they do not trust or believe in the messages being sent to them.
Possibly true, but if so they are lying when they publicly say otherwise.
My guess. They revert to type under pressure. Every team now sees that if you pressure the ABs hard they will make errors that keep you in the game.
Yeah no doubt, not trusting the systems as well is why they revert back if something is not working you revert back under pressure what you know which normally is want you are doing at training.
when you come into environments that are not winning the training is what you need to break down first, training the wrong way means you play the wrong way.
If training is replicating the pressure on the field it is easier to stay in the zone under pressure in the game.
It tells me the Ab's are not confident in their systems on and off the field because it is not working.
Logical thing then is to revert back to what you know.But hang on, isn't the argument that when they changed by playing deeper and kicking smarter it worked? They have seen success in SA then changed so I don't get your logic
My question is why from the start of the Argentine test change that by standing too flat, a complete reversal.
Was that a Schmidt thing ?someone did that.
If so it’s what I am saying is we have success with a certain depth and pattern then all of sudden from the first minute the next week it’s completely different.
That is something you do not see in sports teams someone didn’t trust something there, or what is the logic in such a dramatic change from the start of the game.
Not pressure as it was from the start of the game.
It was the start up tactic from minute 1. -
@Crucial said in All Black backline:
@Chris said in All Black backline:
@Crucial said in All Black backline:
@Chris said in All Black backline:
@mariner4life said in All Black backline:
@Crucial said in All Black backline:
@No-Quarter said in All Black backline:
@reprobate said in All Black backline:
Rieko still runs like a winger. His first thought is evading the tackle himself rather than holding the space and putting someone into it. He runs his outsides out of space looking for the outside break. His passing isn't all that accurate, and when quick hands are called for, he often doesn't have them. We aren't blessed with a whole lot of options right now, but it is still a contrast from Goodhue or even Tupaea or Nankivell.
He's got massive strengths, and the upside of all that pace is very tempting if he can continue to improve the other aspects. He's also got big weaknesses in defence and just general error rate.
The basic problem is not the player, it's that we'll never see him at his best in this disfunctional team pattern: we don't use his pace or give him space, so all we are left with is poor defensive communication and a couple of turnovers per game.
The bolded bit - Clarke's try was created by Rieko holding 2 defenders and putting Jordie through the gap. I don't think you realise how much he's developed at 13, he's been leading the way in try assists for the Blues (and probably SR but I'm too lazy to look it up)
The problem with Rieko isn't that he can't do all the things you talk about, it's that he gets the ball and defender at the same because because of our braindead flat & wide formation.
At Ellis Park our backline looked shit hot despite RM and DH having erratic games because we stood deeper and gave players like Rieko a chance to run the ball.
@mariner4life is right when he says it doesn't actually matter who we pick if we continue with that dumb flat formation on attack.
We don't know if that was the coaches or the players though. Post game comments implied that it was the players that didn't hold depth and were over eager.
if you tell the players to do one thing, and they do another, and then lose, repeatedly, you drop them.
Maybe the players are not listening because they do not trust or believe in the messages being sent to them.
Possibly true, but if so they are lying when they publicly say otherwise.
My guess. They revert to type under pressure. Every team now sees that if you pressure the ABs hard they will make errors that keep you in the game.
Yeah no doubt, not trusting the systems as well is why they revert back if something is not working you revert back under pressure what you know which normally is want you are doing at training.
when you come into environments that are not winning the training is what you need to break down first, training the wrong way means you play the wrong way.
If training is replicating the pressure on the field it is easier to stay in the zone under pressure in the game.
It tells me the Ab's are not confident in their systems on and off the field because it is not working.
Logical thing then is to revert back to what you know.But hang on, isn't the argument that when they changed by playing deeper and kicking smarter it worked? They have seen success in SA then changed so I don't get your logic
My question is why from the start of the Argentine test change that by standing too flat, a complete reversal.
Was that a Schmidt thing ?someone did that.
If so it’s what I am saying is we have success with a certain depth and pattern then all of sudden from the first minute the next week it’s completely different.
That is something you do not see in sports teams someone didn’t trust something there, or what is the logic in such a dramatic change from the start of the game.
Not pressure as it was from the start of the game.
It was the start up tactic from minute 1.@Chris said in All Black backline:
@Crucial said in All Black backline:
@Chris said in All Black backline:
@Crucial said in All Black backline:
@Chris said in All Black backline:
@mariner4life said in All Black backline:
@Crucial said in All Black backline:
@No-Quarter said in All Black backline:
@reprobate said in All Black backline:
Rieko still runs like a winger. His first thought is evading the tackle himself rather than holding the space and putting someone into it. He runs his outsides out of space looking for the outside break. His passing isn't all that accurate, and when quick hands are called for, he often doesn't have them. We aren't blessed with a whole lot of options right now, but it is still a contrast from Goodhue or even Tupaea or Nankivell.
He's got massive strengths, and the upside of all that pace is very tempting if he can continue to improve the other aspects. He's also got big weaknesses in defence and just general error rate.
The basic problem is not the player, it's that we'll never see him at his best in this disfunctional team pattern: we don't use his pace or give him space, so all we are left with is poor defensive communication and a couple of turnovers per game.
The bolded bit - Clarke's try was created by Rieko holding 2 defenders and putting Jordie through the gap. I don't think you realise how much he's developed at 13, he's been leading the way in try assists for the Blues (and probably SR but I'm too lazy to look it up)
The problem with Rieko isn't that he can't do all the things you talk about, it's that he gets the ball and defender at the same because because of our braindead flat & wide formation.
At Ellis Park our backline looked shit hot despite RM and DH having erratic games because we stood deeper and gave players like Rieko a chance to run the ball.
@mariner4life is right when he says it doesn't actually matter who we pick if we continue with that dumb flat formation on attack.
We don't know if that was the coaches or the players though. Post game comments implied that it was the players that didn't hold depth and were over eager.
if you tell the players to do one thing, and they do another, and then lose, repeatedly, you drop them.
Maybe the players are not listening because they do not trust or believe in the messages being sent to them.
Possibly true, but if so they are lying when they publicly say otherwise.
My guess. They revert to type under pressure. Every team now sees that if you pressure the ABs hard they will make errors that keep you in the game.
Yeah no doubt, not trusting the systems as well is why they revert back if something is not working you revert back under pressure what you know which normally is want you are doing at training.
when you come into environments that are not winning the training is what you need to break down first, training the wrong way means you play the wrong way.
If training is replicating the pressure on the field it is easier to stay in the zone under pressure in the game.
It tells me the Ab's are not confident in their systems on and off the field because it is not working.
Logical thing then is to revert back to what you know.But hang on, isn't the argument that when they changed by playing deeper and kicking smarter it worked? They have seen success in SA then changed so I don't get your logic
My question is why from the start of the Argentine test change that by standing too flat, a complete reversal.
Was that a Schmidt thing ?someone did that.
If so it’s what I am saying is we have success with a certain depth and pattern then all of sudden from the first minute the next week it’s completely different.
That is something you do not see in sports teams someone didn’t trust something there, or what is the logic in such a dramatic change from the start of the game.
Not pressure as it was from the start of the game.
It was the start up tactic from minute 1.If so I get what you are saying.
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@Chris said in All Black backline:
@Crucial said in All Black backline:
@Chris said in All Black backline:
@Crucial said in All Black backline:
@Chris said in All Black backline:
@mariner4life said in All Black backline:
@Crucial said in All Black backline:
@No-Quarter said in All Black backline:
@reprobate said in All Black backline:
Rieko still runs like a winger. His first thought is evading the tackle himself rather than holding the space and putting someone into it. He runs his outsides out of space looking for the outside break. His passing isn't all that accurate, and when quick hands are called for, he often doesn't have them. We aren't blessed with a whole lot of options right now, but it is still a contrast from Goodhue or even Tupaea or Nankivell.
He's got massive strengths, and the upside of all that pace is very tempting if he can continue to improve the other aspects. He's also got big weaknesses in defence and just general error rate.
The basic problem is not the player, it's that we'll never see him at his best in this disfunctional team pattern: we don't use his pace or give him space, so all we are left with is poor defensive communication and a couple of turnovers per game.
The bolded bit - Clarke's try was created by Rieko holding 2 defenders and putting Jordie through the gap. I don't think you realise how much he's developed at 13, he's been leading the way in try assists for the Blues (and probably SR but I'm too lazy to look it up)
The problem with Rieko isn't that he can't do all the things you talk about, it's that he gets the ball and defender at the same because because of our braindead flat & wide formation.
At Ellis Park our backline looked shit hot despite RM and DH having erratic games because we stood deeper and gave players like Rieko a chance to run the ball.
@mariner4life is right when he says it doesn't actually matter who we pick if we continue with that dumb flat formation on attack.
We don't know if that was the coaches or the players though. Post game comments implied that it was the players that didn't hold depth and were over eager.
if you tell the players to do one thing, and they do another, and then lose, repeatedly, you drop them.
Maybe the players are not listening because they do not trust or believe in the messages being sent to them.
Possibly true, but if so they are lying when they publicly say otherwise.
My guess. They revert to type under pressure. Every team now sees that if you pressure the ABs hard they will make errors that keep you in the game.
Yeah no doubt, not trusting the systems as well is why they revert back if something is not working you revert back under pressure what you know which normally is want you are doing at training.
when you come into environments that are not winning the training is what you need to break down first, training the wrong way means you play the wrong way.
If training is replicating the pressure on the field it is easier to stay in the zone under pressure in the game.
It tells me the Ab's are not confident in their systems on and off the field because it is not working.
Logical thing then is to revert back to what you know.But hang on, isn't the argument that when they changed by playing deeper and kicking smarter it worked? They have seen success in SA then changed so I don't get your logic
My question is why from the start of the Argentine test change that by standing too flat, a complete reversal.
Was that a Schmidt thing ?someone did that.
If so it’s what I am saying is we have success with a certain depth and pattern then all of sudden from the first minute the next week it’s completely different.
That is something you do not see in sports teams someone didn’t trust something there, or what is the logic in such a dramatic change from the start of the game.
Not pressure as it was from the start of the game.
It was the start up tactic from minute 1.If so I get what you are saying.
@Crucial said in All Black backline:
@Chris said in All Black backline:
@Crucial said in All Black backline:
@Chris said in All Black backline:
@Crucial said in All Black backline:
@Chris said in All Black backline:
@mariner4life said in All Black backline:
@Crucial said in All Black backline:
@No-Quarter said in All Black backline:
@reprobate said in All Black backline:
Rieko still runs like a winger. His first thought is evading the tackle himself rather than holding the space and putting someone into it. He runs his outsides out of space looking for the outside break. His passing isn't all that accurate, and when quick hands are called for, he often doesn't have them. We aren't blessed with a whole lot of options right now, but it is still a contrast from Goodhue or even Tupaea or Nankivell.
He's got massive strengths, and the upside of all that pace is very tempting if he can continue to improve the other aspects. He's also got big weaknesses in defence and just general error rate.
The basic problem is not the player, it's that we'll never see him at his best in this disfunctional team pattern: we don't use his pace or give him space, so all we are left with is poor defensive communication and a couple of turnovers per game.
The bolded bit - Clarke's try was created by Rieko holding 2 defenders and putting Jordie through the gap. I don't think you realise how much he's developed at 13, he's been leading the way in try assists for the Blues (and probably SR but I'm too lazy to look it up)
The problem with Rieko isn't that he can't do all the things you talk about, it's that he gets the ball and defender at the same because because of our braindead flat & wide formation.
At Ellis Park our backline looked shit hot despite RM and DH having erratic games because we stood deeper and gave players like Rieko a chance to run the ball.
@mariner4life is right when he says it doesn't actually matter who we pick if we continue with that dumb flat formation on attack.
We don't know if that was the coaches or the players though. Post game comments implied that it was the players that didn't hold depth and were over eager.
if you tell the players to do one thing, and they do another, and then lose, repeatedly, you drop them.
Maybe the players are not listening because they do not trust or believe in the messages being sent to them.
Possibly true, but if so they are lying when they publicly say otherwise.
My guess. They revert to type under pressure. Every team now sees that if you pressure the ABs hard they will make errors that keep you in the game.
Yeah no doubt, not trusting the systems as well is why they revert back if something is not working you revert back under pressure what you know which normally is want you are doing at training.
when you come into environments that are not winning the training is what you need to break down first, training the wrong way means you play the wrong way.
If training is replicating the pressure on the field it is easier to stay in the zone under pressure in the game.
It tells me the Ab's are not confident in their systems on and off the field because it is not working.
Logical thing then is to revert back to what you know.But hang on, isn't the argument that when they changed by playing deeper and kicking smarter it worked? They have seen success in SA then changed so I don't get your logic
My question is why from the start of the Argentine test change that by standing too flat, a complete reversal.
Was that a Schmidt thing ?someone did that.
If so it’s what I am saying is we have success with a certain depth and pattern then all of sudden from the first minute the next week it’s completely different.
That is something you do not see in sports teams someone didn’t trust something there, or what is the logic in such a dramatic change from the start of the game.
Not pressure as it was from the start of the game.
It was the start up tactic from minute 1.If so I get what you are saying.
Do we have a player coach disconnection and it’s getting worse.
Normally a trust issue. -
@Crucial said in All Black backline:
@Chris said in All Black backline:
@Crucial said in All Black backline:
@Chris said in All Black backline:
@Crucial said in All Black backline:
@Chris said in All Black backline:
@mariner4life said in All Black backline:
@Crucial said in All Black backline:
@No-Quarter said in All Black backline:
@reprobate said in All Black backline:
Rieko still runs like a winger. His first thought is evading the tackle himself rather than holding the space and putting someone into it. He runs his outsides out of space looking for the outside break. His passing isn't all that accurate, and when quick hands are called for, he often doesn't have them. We aren't blessed with a whole lot of options right now, but it is still a contrast from Goodhue or even Tupaea or Nankivell.
He's got massive strengths, and the upside of all that pace is very tempting if he can continue to improve the other aspects. He's also got big weaknesses in defence and just general error rate.
The basic problem is not the player, it's that we'll never see him at his best in this disfunctional team pattern: we don't use his pace or give him space, so all we are left with is poor defensive communication and a couple of turnovers per game.
The bolded bit - Clarke's try was created by Rieko holding 2 defenders and putting Jordie through the gap. I don't think you realise how much he's developed at 13, he's been leading the way in try assists for the Blues (and probably SR but I'm too lazy to look it up)
The problem with Rieko isn't that he can't do all the things you talk about, it's that he gets the ball and defender at the same because because of our braindead flat & wide formation.
At Ellis Park our backline looked shit hot despite RM and DH having erratic games because we stood deeper and gave players like Rieko a chance to run the ball.
@mariner4life is right when he says it doesn't actually matter who we pick if we continue with that dumb flat formation on attack.
We don't know if that was the coaches or the players though. Post game comments implied that it was the players that didn't hold depth and were over eager.
if you tell the players to do one thing, and they do another, and then lose, repeatedly, you drop them.
Maybe the players are not listening because they do not trust or believe in the messages being sent to them.
Possibly true, but if so they are lying when they publicly say otherwise.
My guess. They revert to type under pressure. Every team now sees that if you pressure the ABs hard they will make errors that keep you in the game.
Yeah no doubt, not trusting the systems as well is why they revert back if something is not working you revert back under pressure what you know which normally is want you are doing at training.
when you come into environments that are not winning the training is what you need to break down first, training the wrong way means you play the wrong way.
If training is replicating the pressure on the field it is easier to stay in the zone under pressure in the game.
It tells me the Ab's are not confident in their systems on and off the field because it is not working.
Logical thing then is to revert back to what you know.But hang on, isn't the argument that when they changed by playing deeper and kicking smarter it worked? They have seen success in SA then changed so I don't get your logic
My question is why from the start of the Argentine test change that by standing too flat, a complete reversal.
Was that a Schmidt thing ?someone did that.
If so it’s what I am saying is we have success with a certain depth and pattern then all of sudden from the first minute the next week it’s completely different.
That is something you do not see in sports teams someone didn’t trust something there, or what is the logic in such a dramatic change from the start of the game.
Not pressure as it was from the start of the game.
It was the start up tactic from minute 1.If so I get what you are saying.
Do we have a player coach disconnection and it’s getting worse.
Normally a trust issue.@Chris I only quickly put the highlights on so aren't completely sure but my recollection of backs alignment wasn't the same as yours.
I could see lots of flat forwards in the line (like Ireland do) but the backs were running from deep. Jordie came from well back to hit a gap in Clarke's try and both Havili and Reiko were deep.
I think Havili comes up flat as part of the plan but he comes outside in to hold some of the drift (or take advantage if they do).
I'm happy to be proved wrong and will see if I can find the full replay but I'm not seeing this flatness in the first half so far. -
@mariner4life said in All Black backline:
@Crucial said in All Black backline:
@No-Quarter said in All Black backline:
@reprobate said in All Black backline:
Rieko still runs like a winger. His first thought is evading the tackle himself rather than holding the space and putting someone into it. He runs his outsides out of space looking for the outside break. His passing isn't all that accurate, and when quick hands are called for, he often doesn't have them. We aren't blessed with a whole lot of options right now, but it is still a contrast from Goodhue or even Tupaea or Nankivell.
He's got massive strengths, and the upside of all that pace is very tempting if he can continue to improve the other aspects. He's also got big weaknesses in defence and just general error rate.
The basic problem is not the player, it's that we'll never see him at his best in this disfunctional team pattern: we don't use his pace or give him space, so all we are left with is poor defensive communication and a couple of turnovers per game.
The bolded bit - Clarke's try was created by Rieko holding 2 defenders and putting Jordie through the gap. I don't think you realise how much he's developed at 13, he's been leading the way in try assists for the Blues (and probably SR but I'm too lazy to look it up)
The problem with Rieko isn't that he can't do all the things you talk about, it's that he gets the ball and defender at the same because because of our braindead flat & wide formation.
At Ellis Park our backline looked shit hot despite RM and DH having erratic games because we stood deeper and gave players like Rieko a chance to run the ball.
@mariner4life is right when he says it doesn't actually matter who we pick if we continue with that dumb flat formation on attack.
We don't know if that was the coaches or the players though. Post game comments implied that it was the players that didn't hold depth and were over eager.
if you tell the players to do one thing, and they do another, and then lose, repeatedly, you drop them.
Maybe the players are not listening because they do not trust or believe in the messages being sent to them.
@Chris said in All Black backline:
@mariner4life said in All Black backline:
@Crucial said in All Black backline:
@No-Quarter said in All Black backline:
@reprobate said in All Black backline:
Rieko still runs like a winger. His first thought is evading the tackle himself rather than holding the space and putting someone into it. He runs his outsides out of space looking for the outside break. His passing isn't all that accurate, and when quick hands are called for, he often doesn't have them. We aren't blessed with a whole lot of options right now, but it is still a contrast from Goodhue or even Tupaea or Nankivell.
He's got massive strengths, and the upside of all that pace is very tempting if he can continue to improve the other aspects. He's also got big weaknesses in defence and just general error rate.
The basic problem is not the player, it's that we'll never see him at his best in this disfunctional team pattern: we don't use his pace or give him space, so all we are left with is poor defensive communication and a couple of turnovers per game.
The bolded bit - Clarke's try was created by Rieko holding 2 defenders and putting Jordie through the gap. I don't think you realise how much he's developed at 13, he's been leading the way in try assists for the Blues (and probably SR but I'm too lazy to look it up)
The problem with Rieko isn't that he can't do all the things you talk about, it's that he gets the ball and defender at the same because because of our braindead flat & wide formation.
At Ellis Park our backline looked shit hot despite RM and DH having erratic games because we stood deeper and gave players like Rieko a chance to run the ball.
@mariner4life is right when he says it doesn't actually matter who we pick if we continue with that dumb flat formation on attack.
We don't know if that was the coaches or the players though. Post game comments implied that it was the players that didn't hold depth and were over eager.
if you tell the players to do one thing, and they do another, and then lose, repeatedly, you drop them.
Maybe the players are not listening because they do not trust or believe in the messages being sent to them.
then you drop them. be in fucking charge
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@reprobate said in All Black backline:
Rieko still runs like a winger. His first thought is evading the tackle himself rather than holding the space and putting someone into it. He runs his outsides out of space looking for the outside break. His passing isn't all that accurate, and when quick hands are called for, he often doesn't have them. We aren't blessed with a whole lot of options right now, but it is still a contrast from Goodhue or even Tupaea or Nankivell.
He's got massive strengths, and the upside of all that pace is very tempting if he can continue to improve the other aspects. He's also got big weaknesses in defence and just general error rate.
The basic problem is not the player, it's that we'll never see him at his best in this disfunctional team pattern: we don't use his pace or give him space, so all we are left with is poor defensive communication and a couple of turnovers per game.
The bolded bit - Clarke's try was created by Rieko holding 2 defenders and putting Jordie through the gap. I don't think you realise how much he's developed at 13, he's been leading the way in try assists for the Blues (and probably SR but I'm too lazy to look it up)
The problem with Rieko isn't that he can't do all the things you talk about, it's that he gets the ball and defender at the same because because of our braindead flat & wide formation.
At Ellis Park our backline looked shit hot despite RM and DH having erratic games because we stood deeper and gave players like Rieko a chance to run the ball.
@mariner4life is right when he says it doesn't actually matter who we pick if we continue with that dumb flat formation on attack.
@No-Quarter said in All Black backline:
@reprobate said in All Black backline:
Rieko still runs like a winger. His first thought is evading the tackle himself rather than holding the space and putting someone into it. He runs his outsides out of space looking for the outside break. His passing isn't all that accurate, and when quick hands are called for, he often doesn't have them. We aren't blessed with a whole lot of options right now, but it is still a contrast from Goodhue or even Tupaea or Nankivell.
He's got massive strengths, and the upside of all that pace is very tempting if he can continue to improve the other aspects. He's also got big weaknesses in defence and just general error rate.
The basic problem is not the player, it's that we'll never see him at his best in this disfunctional team pattern: we don't use his pace or give him space, so all we are left with is poor defensive communication and a couple of turnovers per game.
The bolded bit - Clarke's try was created by Rieko holding 2 defenders and putting Jordie through the gap. I don't think you realise how much he's developed at 13, he's been leading the way in try assists for the Blues (and probably SR but I'm too lazy to look it up)
he takes the outside break for that try...
i don't think he's hopeless, i think he's hugely talented but not a great centre right now, and at present he is being totally wasted. -
2027 world cup team
- Norris
- Taukeiaho
- Newell
- S. Barrett
- Vaai
- Savea
- Papalii
- Sotutu
- Christie
- Mounga
- Reiko
- Tupaea
- ALB
- Jordan
- Jordie
Bench
- Aumua / Thompson
- De Groot
- Lomax
- Vaai
- Grace
- Fakatava / Roigard / Hotham / Ratima / Roe?
- Dmac
- RTS
@Yeahtheboys said in All Black backline:
2027 world cup team
- Norris
- Taukeiaho
- Newell
- S. Barrett
- Vaai
- Savea
- Papalii
- Sotutu
- Christie
- Mounga
- Reiko
- Tupaea
- ALB
- Jordan
- Jordie
Bench
- Aumua / Thompson
- De Groot
- Lomax
- Vaai
- Grace
- Fakatava / Roigard / Hotham / Ratima / Roe?
- Dmac
- RTS
No way the ABs would win the 2027 RWC with this team. How old will be Savea, Barrett or ALB ? 2027 is in a very long time and there will be new young players who are not known yet or others who are known but currently to young to be under the radar (Springer, Godfrey, Kemara, Cashmore, Hotham, Lakai, Sititi, Holland, Mau, Bell ...).
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@Yeahtheboys said in All Black backline:
2027 world cup team
- Norris
- Taukeiaho
- Newell
- S. Barrett
- Vaai
- Savea
- Papalii
- Sotutu
- Christie
- Mounga
- Reiko
- Tupaea
- ALB
- Jordan
- Jordie
Bench
- Aumua / Thompson
- De Groot
- Lomax
- Vaai
- Grace
- Fakatava / Roigard / Hotham / Ratima / Roe?
- Dmac
- RTS
No way the ABs would win the 2027 RWC with this team. How old will be Savea, Barrett or ALB ? 2027 is in a very long time and there will be new young players who are not known yet or others who are known but currently to young to be under the radar (Springer, Godfrey, Kemara, Cashmore, Hotham, Lakai, Sititi, Holland, Mau, Bell ...).
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@Yeahtheboys said in All Black backline:
2027 world cup team
- Norris
- Taukeiaho
- Newell
- S. Barrett
- Vaai
- Savea
- Papalii
- Sotutu
- Christie
- Mounga
- Reiko
- Tupaea
- ALB
- Jordan
- Jordie
Bench
- Aumua / Thompson
- De Groot
- Lomax
- Vaai
- Grace
- Fakatava / Roigard / Hotham / Ratima / Roe?
- Dmac
- RTS
No way the ABs would win the 2027 RWC with this team. How old will be Savea, Barrett or ALB ? 2027 is in a very long time and there will be new young players who are not known yet or others who are known but currently to young to be under the radar (Springer, Godfrey, Kemara, Cashmore, Hotham, Lakai, Sititi, Holland, Mau, Bell ...).
@cgrant said in All Black backline:
@Yeahtheboys said in All Black backline:
2027 world cup team
- Norris
- Taukeiaho
- Newell
- S. Barrett
- Vaai
- Savea
- Papalii
- Sotutu
- Christie
- Mounga
- Reiko
- Tupaea
- ALB
- Jordan
- Jordie
Bench
- Aumua / Thompson
- De Groot
- Lomax
- Vaai
- Grace
- Fakatava / Roigard / Hotham / Ratima / Roe?
- Dmac
- RTS
No way the ABs would win the 2027 RWC with this team. How old will be Savea, Barrett or ALB ? 2027 is in a very long time and there will be new young players who are not known yet or others who are known but currently to young to be under the radar (Springer, Godfrey, Kemara, Cashmore, Hotham, Lakai, Sititi, Holland, Mau, Bell ...).
33, 34 & 32 respectively so old but....
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@Yeahtheboys said in All Black backline:
2027 world cup team
- Norris
- Taukeiaho
- Newell
- S. Barrett
- Vaai
- Savea
- Papalii
- Sotutu
- Christie
- Mounga
- Reiko
- Tupaea
- ALB
- Jordan
- Jordie
Bench
- Aumua / Thompson
- De Groot
- Lomax
- Vaai
- Grace
- Fakatava / Roigard / Hotham / Ratima / Roe?
- Dmac
- RTS
No way the ABs would win the 2027 RWC with this team. How old will be Savea, Barrett or ALB ? 2027 is in a very long time and there will be new young players who are not known yet or others who are known but currently to young to be under the radar (Springer, Godfrey, Kemara, Cashmore, Hotham, Lakai, Sititi, Holland, Mau, Bell ...).
@cgrant said in All Black backline:
@Yeahtheboys said in All Black backline:
2027 world cup team
- Norris
- Taukeiaho
- Newell
- S. Barrett
- Vaai
- Savea
- Papalii
- Sotutu
- Christie
- Mounga
- Reiko
- Tupaea
- ALB
- Jordan
- Jordie
Bench
- Aumua / Thompson
- De Groot
- Lomax
- Vaai
- Grace
- Fakatava / Roigard / Hotham / Ratima / Roe?
- Dmac
- RTS
No way the ABs would win the 2027 RWC with this team. How old will be Savea, Barrett or ALB ? 2027 is in a very long time and there will be new young players who are not known yet or others who are known but currently to young to be under the radar (Springer, Godfrey, Kemara, Cashmore, Hotham, Lakai, Sititi, Holland, Mau, Bell ...).
By then he could well and truly be the next Jack Goodhue who was the next Charlie Ngatai……exciting times !
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@cgrant said in All Black backline:
@Yeahtheboys said in All Black backline:
2027 world cup team
- Norris
- Taukeiaho
- Newell
- S. Barrett
- Vaai
- Savea
- Papalii
- Sotutu
- Christie
- Mounga
- Reiko
- Tupaea
- ALB
- Jordan
- Jordie
Bench
- Aumua / Thompson
- De Groot
- Lomax
- Vaai
- Grace
- Fakatava / Roigard / Hotham / Ratima / Roe?
- Dmac
- RTS
No way the ABs would win the 2027 RWC with this team. How old will be Savea, Barrett or ALB ? 2027 is in a very long time and there will be new young players who are not known yet or others who are known but currently to young to be under the radar (Springer, Godfrey, Kemara, Cashmore, Hotham, Lakai, Sititi, Holland, Mau, Bell ...).
By then he could well and truly be the next Jack Goodhue who was the next Charlie Ngatai……exciting times !
@MN5 said in All Black backline:
@cgrant said in All Black backline:
@Yeahtheboys said in All Black backline:
2027 world cup team
- Norris
- Taukeiaho
- Newell
- S. Barrett
- Vaai
- Savea
- Papalii
- Sotutu
- Christie
- Mounga
- Reiko
- Tupaea
- ALB
- Jordan
- Jordie
Bench
- Aumua / Thompson
- De Groot
- Lomax
- Vaai
- Grace
- Fakatava / Roigard / Hotham / Ratima / Roe?
- Dmac
- RTS
No way the ABs would win the 2027 RWC with this team. How old will be Savea, Barrett or ALB ? 2027 is in a very long time and there will be new young players who are not known yet or others who are known but currently to young to be under the radar (Springer, Godfrey, Kemara, Cashmore, Hotham, Lakai, Sititi, Holland, Mau, Bell ...).
By then he could well and truly be the next Jack Goodhue who was the next Charlie Ngatai……exciting times !
How spoiled we were to have almost never injured Snake and Nonu
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@MN5 said in All Black backline:
@cgrant said in All Black backline:
@Yeahtheboys said in All Black backline:
2027 world cup team
- Norris
- Taukeiaho
- Newell
- S. Barrett
- Vaai
- Savea
- Papalii
- Sotutu
- Christie
- Mounga
- Reiko
- Tupaea
- ALB
- Jordan
- Jordie
Bench
- Aumua / Thompson
- De Groot
- Lomax
- Vaai
- Grace
- Fakatava / Roigard / Hotham / Ratima / Roe?
- Dmac
- RTS
No way the ABs would win the 2027 RWC with this team. How old will be Savea, Barrett or ALB ? 2027 is in a very long time and there will be new young players who are not known yet or others who are known but currently to young to be under the radar (Springer, Godfrey, Kemara, Cashmore, Hotham, Lakai, Sititi, Holland, Mau, Bell ...).
By then he could well and truly be the next Jack Goodhue who was the next Charlie Ngatai……exciting times !
How spoiled we were to have almost never injured Snake and Nonu
@canefan said in All Black backline:
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2027 world cup team
- Norris
- Taukeiaho
- Newell
- S. Barrett
- Vaai
- Savea
- Papalii
- Sotutu
- Christie
- Mounga
- Reiko
- Tupaea
- ALB
- Jordan
- Jordie
Bench
- Aumua / Thompson
- De Groot
- Lomax
- Vaai
- Grace
- Fakatava / Roigard / Hotham / Ratima / Roe?
- Dmac
- RTS
No way the ABs would win the 2027 RWC with this team. How old will be Savea, Barrett or ALB ? 2027 is in a very long time and there will be new young players who are not known yet or others who are known but currently to young to be under the radar (Springer, Godfrey, Kemara, Cashmore, Hotham, Lakai, Sititi, Holland, Mau, Bell ...).
By then he could well and truly be the next Jack Goodhue who was the next Charlie Ngatai……exciting times !
How spoiled we were to have almost never injured Snake and Nonu
The fern was a happier place then. Much less grumpiness
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Rieko still runs like a winger. His first thought is evading the tackle himself rather than holding the space and putting someone into it. He runs his outsides out of space looking for the outside break. His passing isn't all that accurate, and when quick hands are called for, he often doesn't have them. We aren't blessed with a whole lot of options right now, but it is still a contrast from Goodhue or even Tupaea or Nankivell.
He's got massive strengths, and the upside of all that pace is very tempting if he can continue to improve the other aspects. He's also got big weaknesses in defence and just general error rate.
The basic problem is not the player, it's that we'll never see him at his best in this disfunctional team pattern: we don't use his pace or give him space, so all we are left with is poor defensive communication and a couple of turnovers per game.
@reprobate said in All Black backline:
Rieko still runs like a winger. His first thought is evading the tackle himself rather than holding the space and putting someone into it. He runs his outsides out of space looking for the outside break. His passing isn't all that accurate, and when quick hands are called for, he often doesn't have them. We aren't blessed with a whole lot of options right now, but it is still a contrast from Goodhue or even Tupaea or Nankivell.
He's got massive strengths, and the upside of all that pace is very tempting if he can continue to improve the other aspects. He's also got big weaknesses in defence and just general error rate.
The basic problem is not the player, it's that we'll never see him at his best in this disfunctional team pattern: we don't use his pace or give him space, so all we are left with is poor defensive communication and a couple of turnovers per game.
I could understand this argument if we had both ALB and Goodhue fit and in form and therefore had 13 options that had spent years developing their craft and were highly specialised in their position. However, neither of them are fit and now and as a combo they haven't been fit for like 3 years.
Simply put, RI is easily our best available 13 and very likely our best performing backline player. He has some rough edges, but he's developing his game each week and turning into a very fine centre. Sure, maybe he looks to back himself too often, but given his talent and athleticism - and to use the same shit arguments that get lots of players a free pass - it would not surprise me if that's what he has been instructed to do. Indeed, given that playing him at 13 is about the only innovation Fozzie has against the rush defence, it stands to reason that this is what he has been instructed to do.
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@No-Quarter said in All Black backline:
@reprobate said in All Black backline:
Rieko still runs like a winger. His first thought is evading the tackle himself rather than holding the space and putting someone into it. He runs his outsides out of space looking for the outside break. His passing isn't all that accurate, and when quick hands are called for, he often doesn't have them. We aren't blessed with a whole lot of options right now, but it is still a contrast from Goodhue or even Tupaea or Nankivell.
He's got massive strengths, and the upside of all that pace is very tempting if he can continue to improve the other aspects. He's also got big weaknesses in defence and just general error rate.
The basic problem is not the player, it's that we'll never see him at his best in this disfunctional team pattern: we don't use his pace or give him space, so all we are left with is poor defensive communication and a couple of turnovers per game.
The bolded bit - Clarke's try was created by Rieko holding 2 defenders and putting Jordie through the gap. I don't think you realise how much he's developed at 13, he's been leading the way in try assists for the Blues (and probably SR but I'm too lazy to look it up)
The problem with Rieko isn't that he can't do all the things you talk about, it's that he gets the ball and defender at the same because because of our braindead flat & wide formation.
At Ellis Park our backline looked shit hot despite RM and DH having erratic games because we stood deeper and gave players like Rieko a chance to run the ball.
@mariner4life is right when he says it doesn't actually matter who we pick if we continue with that dumb flat formation on attack.
Rieko doesn't tend to throw hospital passes to his wingers after getting that tight ball and instead will take the tackle. I've seen people whinge that he doesn't throw these passes.
@Steve said in All Black backline:
If Rieko lost his pace he would clearly be a woeful centre. There is no nuance to his game. No sleight of hand.
You're responding to a post describing a piece of sleight of hand from him than lead to a try.
@Nepia said in All Black backline:
@No-Quarter said in All Black backline:
@reprobate said in All Black backline:
Rieko still runs like a winger. His first thought is evading the tackle himself rather than holding the space and putting someone into it. He runs his outsides out of space looking for the outside break. His passing isn't all that accurate, and when quick hands are called for, he often doesn't have them. We aren't blessed with a whole lot of options right now, but it is still a contrast from Goodhue or even Tupaea or Nankivell.
He's got massive strengths, and the upside of all that pace is very tempting if he can continue to improve the other aspects. He's also got big weaknesses in defence and just general error rate.
The basic problem is not the player, it's that we'll never see him at his best in this disfunctional team pattern: we don't use his pace or give him space, so all we are left with is poor defensive communication and a couple of turnovers per game.
The bolded bit - Clarke's try was created by Rieko holding 2 defenders and putting Jordie through the gap. I don't think you realise how much he's developed at 13, he's been leading the way in try assists for the Blues (and probably SR but I'm too lazy to look it up)
The problem with Rieko isn't that he can't do all the things you talk about, it's that he gets the ball and defender at the same because because of our braindead flat & wide formation.
At Ellis Park our backline looked shit hot despite RM and DH having erratic games because we stood deeper and gave players like Rieko a chance to run the ball.
@mariner4life is right when he says it doesn't actually matter who we pick if we continue with that dumb flat formation on attack.
Rieko doesn't tend to throw hospital passes to his wingers after getting that tight ball and instead will take the tackle. I've seen people whinge that he doesn't throw these passes.
@Steve said in All Black backline:
If Rieko lost his pace he would clearly be a woeful centre. There is no nuance to his game. No sleight of hand.
You're responding to a post describing a piece of sleight of hand from him than lead to a try.
one swallow doesn't make a summer.
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@reprobate said in All Black backline:
For all the talk of Goodhue being too slow, how many times has he actually been skinned on the outside? Ioane on the other hand contributes to loads of defensive misalignments and miscommunications, and that costs territory and tries regularly. He's an excellent tackler, and his speed gets him out of trouble a lot, but he's a big contributor to our poor defensive system. He's also one of the too many players we have who contribute multiple turnovers to the opposition every game. And on attack he blows tries by ignoring support, runs his outsides out of space, and has slow hands.
He's a great runner ball in hand, sensational in fact. Wing.Doesn't really matter how much better Goodhue is anyway though, because he's forever injured.
i couldn't tell you....mainly because i cant remember the last time he played for the AB's...starting to wonder if he's just a myth
@Kiwiwomble said in All Black backline:
@reprobate said in All Black backline:
For all the talk of Goodhue being too slow, how many times has he actually been skinned on the outside? Ioane on the other hand contributes to loads of defensive misalignments and miscommunications, and that costs territory and tries regularly. He's an excellent tackler, and his speed gets him out of trouble a lot, but he's a big contributor to our poor defensive system. He's also one of the too many players we have who contribute multiple turnovers to the opposition every game. And on attack he blows tries by ignoring support, runs his outsides out of space, and has slow hands.
He's a great runner ball in hand, sensational in fact. Wing.Doesn't really matter how much better Goodhue is anyway though, because he's forever injured.
i couldn't tell you....mainly because i cant remember the last time he played for the AB's...starting to wonder if he's just a myth
He did seem to be a myth in the making when Goodhue got his 19 caps largely through injuries to Crotty/ALB/SBW/Laumape/etc on the back of seemingly being unbreakable when every other 12/13 was struggling to last a single game.
