Foster, Robertson etc
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@MajorRage said in Foster:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Foster:
Interesting the decline in AB rugby started late 2016, was in fast forward in 2019 and is now in overdrive but its only the Cantabs that are playing shit under Foster and not for a proven winning coach. So, the solution is to select players underperforming from teams with less of a record and hope they stand up? Its clear as fucken day late era Hansen and Foster have fucked this team into oblivion. As the head fucking coach it is your responsibility to get the team to gel. 3 fucking years of this depressing shit. And it hasn't hit the bottom yet. We still have Japan, Scotland and the Bled to lose. But sure, thats on the Cantabs.
It’s quite spectacular that it’s taken you 3 attempts to reply, but have still completely missed the point I was making and decided to go all playing the Cantab victim.
Have another crack.
That's your bitch? That I had editing issues?
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Foster:
@MajorRage said in Foster:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Foster:
Interesting the decline in AB rugby started late 2016, was in fast forward in 2019 and is now in overdrive but its only the Cantabs that are playing shit under Foster and not for a proven winning coach. So, the solution is to select players underperforming from teams with less of a record and hope they stand up? Its clear as fucken day late era Hansen and Foster have fucked this team into oblivion. As the head fucking coach it is your responsibility to get the team to gel. 3 fucking years of this depressing shit. And it hasn't hit the bottom yet. We still have Japan, Scotland and the Bled to lose. But sure, thats on the Cantabs.
It’s quite spectacular that it’s taken you 3 attempts to reply, but have still completely missed the point I was making and decided to go all playing the Cantab victim.
Have another crack.
That's your bitch? That I had editing issues?
I have no “bitch” … Your retort was just so far off the mark.
Here’s a starter for 10 … I never said the cantabs were shit under Foster. You did.
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@Joans-Town-Jones said in Foster:
@MajorRage said in Foster:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Foster:
Interesting the decline in AB rugby started late 2016, was in fast forward in 2019 and is now in overdrive but its only the Cantabs that are playing shit under Foster and not for a proven winning coach. So, the solution is to select players underperforming from teams with less of a record and hope they stand up? Its clear as fucken day late era Hansen and Foster have fucked this team into oblivion. As the head fucking coach it is your responsibility to get the team to gel. 3 fucking years of this depressing shit. And it hasn't hit the bottom yet. We still have Japan, Scotland and the Bled to lose. But sure, thats on the Cantabs.
It’s quite spectacular that it’s taken you 3 attempts to reply, but have still completely missed the point I was making and decided to go all playing the Cantab victim.
Have another crack.
That's your bitch? That I had editing issues?
I have no “bitch” … Your retort was just so far off the mark.
Here’s a starter for 10 … I never said the cantabs were shit under Foster. You did.
@MajorRage said in Foster:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Foster:
@MajorRage said in Foster:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Foster:
Interesting the decline in AB rugby started late 2016, was in fast forward in 2019 and is now in overdrive but its only the Cantabs that are playing shit under Foster and not for a proven winning coach. So, the solution is to select players underperforming from teams with less of a record and hope they stand up? Its clear as fucken day late era Hansen and Foster have fucked this team into oblivion. As the head fucking coach it is your responsibility to get the team to gel. 3 fucking years of this depressing shit. And it hasn't hit the bottom yet. We still have Japan, Scotland and the Bled to lose. But sure, thats on the Cantabs.
It’s quite spectacular that it’s taken you 3 attempts to reply, but have still completely missed the point I was making and decided to go all playing the Cantab victim.
Have another crack.
That's your bitch? That I had editing issues?
I have no “bitch” … Your retort was just so far off the mark.
Here’s a starter for 10 … I never said the cantabs were shit under Foster. You did.
"Reality is that if Cantab's can't play good underneath him, then he shouldn't select them."
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@Joans-Town-Jones said in Foster:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Foster:
its only the Cantabs that are playing shit under Foster and not for a proven winning coach.
If you're talking about Robertson, he's yet to prove himself at Test level. In reality, his coaching skills at Test level haven't even been evaluated as he hasn't taken an Assistant role in a Test side.
So, the solution is to select players underperforming from teams with less of a record and hope they stand up?
No. We select players who can make the step up to Test level. It doesn't matter which team they are from or how well that team has performed. That's why Aaron Smith and not Bryn Hall is first choice 9 and why Ma'a kept getting selected.
As the head fucking coach it is your responsibility to get the team to gel.
Agreed. But that requires players who can actually perform at Test level. Whether they are great under coach X or Y or not at SR level is irrelevant.
Are we that dense we can dismiss Razor based on the fact he's won nothing at test level despite his 80% winning record elsewhere? We're willing him to go to another powerhouse first?
How is pointing out Robertson has zero Test experience and Test Rugby is at higher level than Super Rugby dismissing Robertson?
So we select players who can make the step up. How do you know they can make the step up when they haven't played test footy?
You pick players on form and if they can't make the step up to Test level you drop them. What team they come from and who coaches that team, has fuck all to do with ability to perform at Test level.
If the coach keeps selecting players on form and then fail to make the step up, and continues to select players that fail to make the step up, maybe the coach is the issue. Brodie Retalick, Sam Whitelock, Beauden Barrett, Sam Cane, Aaron Smith et al have been in the side for 10 years and are shadows of their former selves. It's not just one or two who aren't performing, it's the entire squad consistently.
Which has bugger-all to do with your theory that because Crusaders players are great at Super level, the only reason they're not world-beaters at Test level is down to Foster.
@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Foster:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Foster:
its only the Cantabs that are playing shit under Foster and not for a proven winning coach.
If you're talking about Robertson, he's yet to prove himself at Test level. In reality, his coaching skills at Test level haven't even been evaluated as he hasn't taken an Assistant role in a Test side.
So, the solution is to select players underperforming from teams with less of a record and hope they stand up?
No. We select players who can make the step up to Test level. It doesn't matter which team they are from or how well that team has performed. That's why Aaron Smith and not Bryn Hall is first choice 9 and why Ma'a kept getting selected.
As the head fucking coach it is your responsibility to get the team to gel.
Agreed. But that requires players who can actually perform at Test level. Whether they are great under coach X or Y or not at SR level is irrelevant.
Are we that dense we can dismiss Razor based on the fact he's won nothing at test level despite his 80% winning record elsewhere? We're willing him to go to another powerhouse first?
How is pointing out Robertson has zero Test experience and Test Rugby is at higher level than Super Rugby dismissing Robertson?
So we select players who can make the step up. How do you know they can make the step up when they haven't played test footy?
You pick players on form and if they can't make the step up to Test level you drop them. What team they come from and who coaches that team, has fuck all to do with ability to perform at Test level.
If the coach keeps selecting players on form and then fail to make the step up, and continues to select players that fail to make the step up, maybe the coach is the issue. Brodie Retalick, Sam Whitelock, Beauden Barrett, Sam Cane, Aaron Smith et al have been in the side for 10 years and are shadows of their former selves. It's not just one or two who aren't performing, it's the entire squad consistently.
Which has bugger-all to do with your theory that because Crusaders players are great at Super level, the only reason they're not world-beaters at Test level is down to Foster.
"How is pointing out Robertson has zero Test experience and Test Rugby is at higher level than Super Rugby dismissing Robertson?"
That's exactly what you're doing. Because he has zero test experience, he cannot be considered for the ABs.
The whole basis of your argument is if the players can't make the step up they should be dropped. The issue is the whole squad collectively aren't stepping up. So, is that the squad or the coach? 30 odd players in the squad, you'd think 15 can put it together on the park. If they can't, the coach is flawed. Thats evident by his record as ABs coach. John Hart was too arrogant to see it, Wayne Smith recognised it. Foster is fucking blind.
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ANother excellent article on The Roar by Highlander
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@MajorRage said in Foster:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Foster:
@MajorRage said in Foster:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Foster:
Interesting the decline in AB rugby started late 2016, was in fast forward in 2019 and is now in overdrive but its only the Cantabs that are playing shit under Foster and not for a proven winning coach. So, the solution is to select players underperforming from teams with less of a record and hope they stand up? Its clear as fucken day late era Hansen and Foster have fucked this team into oblivion. As the head fucking coach it is your responsibility to get the team to gel. 3 fucking years of this depressing shit. And it hasn't hit the bottom yet. We still have Japan, Scotland and the Bled to lose. But sure, thats on the Cantabs.
It’s quite spectacular that it’s taken you 3 attempts to reply, but have still completely missed the point I was making and decided to go all playing the Cantab victim.
Have another crack.
That's your bitch? That I had editing issues?
I have no “bitch” … Your retort was just so far off the mark.
Here’s a starter for 10 … I never said the cantabs were shit under Foster. You did.
"Reality is that if Cantab's can't play good underneath him, then he shouldn't select them."
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Foster:
@MajorRage said in Foster:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Foster:
@MajorRage said in Foster:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Foster:
Interesting the decline in AB rugby started late 2016, was in fast forward in 2019 and is now in overdrive but its only the Cantabs that are playing shit under Foster and not for a proven winning coach. So, the solution is to select players underperforming from teams with less of a record and hope they stand up? Its clear as fucken day late era Hansen and Foster have fucked this team into oblivion. As the head fucking coach it is your responsibility to get the team to gel. 3 fucking years of this depressing shit. And it hasn't hit the bottom yet. We still have Japan, Scotland and the Bled to lose. But sure, thats on the Cantabs.
It’s quite spectacular that it’s taken you 3 attempts to reply, but have still completely missed the point I was making and decided to go all playing the Cantab victim.
Have another crack.
That's your bitch? That I had editing issues?
I have no “bitch” … Your retort was just so far off the mark.
Here’s a starter for 10 … I never said the cantabs were shit under Foster. You did.
"Reality is that if Cantab's can't play good underneath him, then he shouldn't select them."
And your point is … ?
You are making no sense at all.
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ANother excellent article on The Roar by Highlander
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ANother excellent article on The Roar by Highlander
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2022:
ANother excellent article on The Roar by Highlander
Scott Robertson’s side don’t play ball in hand from everywhere nonsense. They attack you up front, they grind you into the ground, they push you off the gain line, they earn the right to go wide, they kick for territory, then and only then, do they let that extremely talented backline loose on the opposition.
And this is perhaps the biggest fail of the alleged running rugby DNA story. The top three try scorers in Super Rugby this year with ten each were the Crusaders wingers and fullback.
This stands out
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@Machpants said in All Blacks 2022:
ANother excellent article on The Roar by Highlander
Scott Robertson’s side don’t play ball in hand from everywhere nonsense. They attack you up front, they grind you into the ground, they push you off the gain line, they earn the right to go wide, they kick for territory, then and only then, do they let that extremely talented backline loose on the opposition.
And this is perhaps the biggest fail of the alleged running rugby DNA story. The top three try scorers in Super Rugby this year with ten each were the Crusaders wingers and fullback.
This stands out
@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2022:
ANother excellent article on The Roar by Highlander
Scott Robertson’s side don’t play ball in hand from everywhere nonsense. They attack you up front, they grind you into the ground, they push you off the gain line, they earn the right to go wide, they kick for territory, then and only then, do they let that extremely talented backline loose on the opposition.
And this is perhaps the biggest fail of the alleged running rugby DNA story. The top three try scorers in Super Rugby this year with ten each were the Crusaders wingers and fullback.
This stands out
Totally the rugby DNA is utter bolllocks, totally Cheika speak
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@Machpants Are you Highlander?
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2022:
@Machpants Are you Highlander?
There are definitely some posts on the Roar site that look like they've been copied and pasted from, or to, the Fern. From more than one person.
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@Joans-Town-Jones said in Foster:
@MajorRage said in Foster:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Foster:
@MajorRage said in Foster:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Foster:
Interesting the decline in AB rugby started late 2016, was in fast forward in 2019 and is now in overdrive but its only the Cantabs that are playing shit under Foster and not for a proven winning coach. So, the solution is to select players underperforming from teams with less of a record and hope they stand up? Its clear as fucken day late era Hansen and Foster have fucked this team into oblivion. As the head fucking coach it is your responsibility to get the team to gel. 3 fucking years of this depressing shit. And it hasn't hit the bottom yet. We still have Japan, Scotland and the Bled to lose. But sure, thats on the Cantabs.
It’s quite spectacular that it’s taken you 3 attempts to reply, but have still completely missed the point I was making and decided to go all playing the Cantab victim.
Have another crack.
That's your bitch? That I had editing issues?
I have no “bitch” … Your retort was just so far off the mark.
Here’s a starter for 10 … I never said the cantabs were shit under Foster. You did.
"Reality is that if Cantab's can't play good underneath him, then he shouldn't select them."
And your point is … ?
You are making no sense at all.
@MajorRage said in Foster:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Foster:
@MajorRage said in Foster:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Foster:
@MajorRage said in Foster:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Foster:
Interesting the decline in AB rugby started late 2016, was in fast forward in 2019 and is now in overdrive but its only the Cantabs that are playing shit under Foster and not for a proven winning coach. So, the solution is to select players underperforming from teams with less of a record and hope they stand up? Its clear as fucken day late era Hansen and Foster have fucked this team into oblivion. As the head fucking coach it is your responsibility to get the team to gel. 3 fucking years of this depressing shit. And it hasn't hit the bottom yet. We still have Japan, Scotland and the Bled to lose. But sure, thats on the Cantabs.
It’s quite spectacular that it’s taken you 3 attempts to reply, but have still completely missed the point I was making and decided to go all playing the Cantab victim.
Have another crack.
That's your bitch? That I had editing issues?
I have no “bitch” … Your retort was just so far off the mark.
Here’s a starter for 10 … I never said the cantabs were shit under Foster. You did.
"Reality is that if Cantab's can't play good underneath him, then he shouldn't select them."
And your point is … ?
You are making no sense at all.
Your argument, Champ.
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@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2022:
@Machpants Are you Highlander?
There are definitely some posts on the Roar site that look like they've been copied and pasted from, or to, the Fern. From more than one person.
@Stargazer said in Foster:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2022:
@Machpants Are you Highlander?
There are definitely some posts on the Roar site that look like they've been copied and pasted from, or to, the Fern. From more than one person.
Not me! Although I say the same sort of things, I haven't got a split personality.
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@Machpants Are you Highlander?
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If by some absolute freaking miracle Foster's team wins the RWC, will that make this pain and horrible losses worth it? My answer is a resounding no, but curious as to what others think. -
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If by some absolute freaking miracle Foster's team wins the RWC, will that make this pain and horrible losses worth it? My answer is a resounding no, but curious as to what others think.@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Foster:
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If by some absolute freaking miracle Foster's team wins the RWC, will that make this pain and horrible losses worth it? My answer is a resounding no, but curious as to what others think.I'll join you with that "no". The damage done to the legacy can't be undone.
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Question:
If by some absolute freaking miracle Foster's team wins the RWC, will that make this pain and horrible losses worth it? My answer is a resounding no, but curious as to what others think.@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Foster:
Question:
If by some absolute freaking miracle Foster's team wins the RWC, will that make this pain and horrible losses worth it? My answer is a resounding no, but curious as to what others think.Nope no nup. Still not worth it.
I expect us to win the world cup but not to be the laughing stock of world rugby in the build up.
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Question:
If by some absolute freaking miracle Foster's team wins the RWC, will that make this pain and horrible losses worth it? My answer is a resounding no, but curious as to what others think.@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Foster:
Question:
If by some absolute freaking miracle Foster's team wins the RWC, will that make this pain and horrible losses worth it? My answer is a resounding no, but curious as to what others think.No the legacy is bleeding for a long time more due to Foster.
If he does do we have 4 more years of Foster.
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@Machpants said in All Blacks 2022:
ANother excellent article on The Roar by Highlander
Scott Robertson’s side don’t play ball in hand from everywhere nonsense. They attack you up front, they grind you into the ground, they push you off the gain line, they earn the right to go wide, they kick for territory, then and only then, do they let that extremely talented backline loose on the opposition.
And this is perhaps the biggest fail of the alleged running rugby DNA story. The top three try scorers in Super Rugby this year with ten each were the Crusaders wingers and fullback.
This stands out
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2022:
ANother excellent article on The Roar by Highlander
Scott Robertson’s side don’t play ball in hand from everywhere nonsense. They attack you up front, they grind you into the ground, they push you off the gain line, they earn the right to go wide, they kick for territory, then and only then, do they let that extremely talented backline loose on the opposition.
I am not so sure about that. There were a number of times this season I was getting frustrated at the Crusaders trying to do the flashy stuff before earning the right to do so.
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The argument that coaches need some international experience before getting the head coaching role has been more or less blown apart by Foster. He had plenty of international experience. It appears to have done him little good.
Head coach and assistant coach are different.
If the argument is that you need international head coaching experience before becoming AB coach, then that is utterly bonkers. We should export all our best coaches at the height of their careers, then only appoint them once they are past their best and everyone else has worked out how to play against them???
Appointing any coach is always a risk. There's no way to avoid that. Just appoint the person who has been successful previously and appears to be up to date with modern play.
I would say that appointing Gatland or Schmidt is every bit as risky as appointing Robertson, no matter how experienced they are. Gatland's time at the Chiefs does not inspire confidence. Schmidt has shown an inflexibility to move on.
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@Machpants said in All Blacks 2022:
ANother excellent article on The Roar by Highlander
Scott Robertson’s side don’t play ball in hand from everywhere nonsense. They attack you up front, they grind you into the ground, they push you off the gain line, they earn the right to go wide, they kick for territory, then and only then, do they let that extremely talented backline loose on the opposition.
I am not so sure about that. There were a number of times this season I was getting frustrated at the Crusaders trying to do the flashy stuff before earning the right to do so.
@Crazy-Horse said in Foster:
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2022:
ANother excellent article on The Roar by Highlander
Scott Robertson’s side don’t play ball in hand from everywhere nonsense. They attack you up front, they grind you into the ground, they push you off the gain line, they earn the right to go wide, they kick for territory, then and only then, do they let that extremely talented backline loose on the opposition.
I am not so sure about that. There were a number of times this season I was getting frustrated at the Crusaders trying to do the flashy stuff before earning the right to do so.
Yeah there was some of that. But hey I’m pretty sure they improved and nailed it when it counted!
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The argument that coaches need some international experience before getting the head coaching role has been more or less blown apart by Foster. He had plenty of international experience. It appears to have done him little good.
Head coach and assistant coach are different.
If the argument is that you need international head coaching experience before becoming AB coach, then that is utterly bonkers. We should export all our best coaches at the height of their careers, then only appoint them once they are past their best and everyone else has worked out how to play against them???
Appointing any coach is always a risk. There's no way to avoid that. Just appoint the person who has been successful previously and appears to be up to date with modern play.
I would say that appointing Gatland or Schmidt is every bit as risky as appointing Robertson, no matter how experienced they are. Gatland's time at the Chiefs does not inspire confidence. Schmidt has shown an inflexibility to move on.
@Chester-Draws said in Foster:
The argument that coaches need some international experience before getting the head coaching role has been more or less blown apart by Foster. He had plenty of international experience. It appears to have done him little good.
Head coach and assistant coach are different.
If the argument is that you need international head coaching experience before becoming AB coach, then that is utterly bonkers. We should export all our best coaches at the height of their careers, then only appoint them once they are past their best and everyone else has worked out how to play against them???
Appointing any coach is always a risk. There's no way to avoid that. Just appoint the person who has been successful previously and appears to be up to date with modern play.
I would say that appointing Gatland or Schmidt is every bit as risky as appointing Robertson, no matter how experienced they are. Gatland's time at the Chiefs does not inspire confidence. Schmidt has shown an inflexibility to move on.
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